Helmet shock...

[Paul in NZ]

OK - I'm coming up to needing a new fullface open road helmet. I have an ancient Shoei thas done bloody well really but the upholstry is getting a bit naff. (actually my boots and all my cordura leak now as well but what the hey)

As always I'm on a budget restricted by too many hobbies and an active interest in having a bloody wonderful time while I'm this side of the dirt coupled with an all to finite income.... So we are looking for a bargain.

Now having made a tragic and horrible Tee shirt mistake at Motorad I consoled myself by wandering over to the wall of helmets. Naturally a sales genie appeared like magic and my elbow with a not at all oily 'can I help you sir?' I was shocked - I think he meant it too...

Anywho - I picked up a BOX helmet having never ever really looked at one - I think it was about $150 which is measley money in the helmet world. It was actually pretty nicely made, well upholstered and looked like a $300 unit.... I tried to pick holes in it but nothing really stood out. It looked better than my old Shoei in every way for a pittance...

Um..... I wasn't going to buy that cheap a lid but I'm starting to waver.... Is the label the most expensive thing about some helmets?

[Ocean1]

Is the label the most expensive thing about some helmets?

Yes.

Next!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Is the label the most expensive thing about some helmets?

Not always. But I've yet to find a cheapie that fits anywhere near as well as an Arai. So it's all I wear.

[Grantman_]

Is the label the most expensive thing about some helmets?

Here is my $130 LS2 *model: single mono 351. Terrific hit from a logging truck. No head injuries. I was impressed with this helmet the moment I first examined it prior to purchase.

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[steve_t]

No. Here is my $130 LS2. Terrific hit from a logging truck. No head injuries.



Dafuq?!! How are you still alive?! :eek5:

[Madness]

No head injuries.

You must have had at least a slight headache.

[Crasherfromwayback]

No. Here is my $130 LS2. Terrific hit from a logging truck. No head injuries.

Thought it was God that saved you?

[Grantman_]

At the time I may have been a bit headachy, but my head hasn't given me any trouble then (that I remember) or since. The following week was a bit hazy though and there was that nasty neck brace on briefly until they reviewed some suspected vertebrae damage. Mmm morphine anyone? Yes please!

[Grantman_]

Thought it was God that saved you?

haha, there's no doubt in my mind matey. I'd be 6 feet under for sure.

[rustic101]

I started reading and was think of suggesting an LS2 - a bit noisy but a good helmet.
Then I saw the picture and well bugger me, I'd recommend them.
Currently using Nolan N103 and an N43 but looking for a lighter helmet.
After seeing that I'm impressed also given that it served its purpose.

[Paul in NZ]

Holy crap - thats one munted lid.... I guess it did well....

[Paul in NZ]

Not always. But I've yet to find a cheapie that fits anywhere near as well as an Arai. So it's all I wear.

The biggest problem with any lid for me is my giant deformed head and huge nose. The always fog up cos my nostrils are only a mm or 2 from the visor. The Shoei fits OK but only cos the linings all collapsed in horror at the thought of actually touching me.

Best helmet I had was an AGV. It fitted great until the inner part decomposed and it went insane and decided to try and crush my forehead. Stupid helmet should have known better...

Arais are cool but waaaay out of my price range...

[HenryDorsetCase]

haha, there's no doubt in my mind matey. I'd be 6 feet under for sure.

but surely if it was gods will, you would have been.

[5150]

No. Here is my $130 LS2. Terrific hit from a logging truck. No head injuries. I was impressed with this helmet the moment I first examined it prior to purchase.



Sadly ... that won't buff out :cry:

[Grantman_]

Sadly ... that won't buff out :cry:

Not to worry, the great folks at LS2 have replaced it for free!

[GTRMAN]

Not to worry, the great folks at LS2 have replaced it for free!

Ripping endorsement for their helmets.....

The fact you lived to tell the tale is awesome

[Crasherfromwayback]

The fact you lived to tell the tale is awesome

It's called a fluke.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I've seen a helmet a rider was wearing when he died, and it was way less fucked up than that one. I simply cannot believe that whoever was wearing that helmet was unscathed. Unless thats what happens when you deck an LS2 at 5 mph?

[GTRMAN]

It's called a fluke.


Define it any way you like, he's alive.

[GTRMAN]

I've seen a helmet a rider was wearing when he died, and it was way less fucked up than that one. I simply cannot believe that whoever was wearing that helmet was unscathed. Unless thats what happens when you deck an LS2 at 5 mph?


Alive? Yes, unscathed? Well from his thread it looks like several months in hospital, so, not so much

[Crasherfromwayback]

Define it any way you like, he's alive.

Which is a good thing. But don't expect to be able to replicate it or see the same outcome twice in a row.

[GTRMAN]

Which is a good thing. But don't expect to be able to replicate it or see the same outcome twice in a row.

Granted, just not sure why your ragging on the guy for thanking God he is alive...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Granted, just not sure why your ragging on the guy for thanking God he is alive...

Because God's got nothing to do with it.

[bogan]

Holy fuck that is one munted helmet!


Because God's got nothing to do with it.

Might be his god, not yours (stoner), yes yes we all know stoner was busy winning at the time so couldn't have done it...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Might be his god, not yours (stoner), yes yes we all know stoner was busy winning at the time so couldn't have done it...

He ain't been doing too much winning of late mate!

[GTRMAN]

Because God's got nothing to do with it.


In your opinion, he has a different one. Why is that a problem? But let's not get this thread thrown on the religious ravings bonfire. He's alive, he thanks God. He's alive, you call it a fluke. The agreed ground is that he's alive and has learned a very big lesson.

[oneofsix]

In your opinion, he has a different one. Why is that a problem? But let's not get this thread thrown on the religious ravings bonfire. He's alive, he thanks God. He's alive, you call it a fluke. The agreed ground is that he's alive and has learned a very big lesson.

Wasn't Fluke an ancient pagan god? :corn:
I reckon LS2 could be his pagan god now. :lol:
The company should have that helmet as part of its advertising, "if you are going to hit a truck with your head at least wear one of our helmets".
It is good to see safety gear working.

[Crasherfromwayback]

. The agreed ground is that he's alive and has learned a very big lesson.

Correct. But I'd hate others to think they may also be so lucky. That's MY point.

[GTRMAN]

Correct. But I'd hate others to think they may also be so lucky. That's MY point.

Totally agree

[GTRMAN]

Correct. But I'd hate others to think they may also be so lucky. That's MY point.


Off topic, do you have a replacement visor for a nolan n-103 in stock?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Off topic, do you have a replacement visor for a nolan n-103 in stock?

Sure do. $63.00

[GTRMAN]

Sure do. $63.00

Excellent, thanks for that.

[Grantman_]

Oh I wasn't without injuries. 16 weeks hospital worth. Believe what you want, as for me I know it wasn't my time to be taken home. Here's pic of the logging truck - between which front wheels I merrily slid.

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[bogan]

The agreed ground is that he's alive and has learned a very big lesson.

Perhaps he should change his avatar and sig pic to reflect that?

[Quasievil]

Hiya Paul, what size you think, I got a couple hanging around bro, will pm you

[skippa1]

this is my Shoei XR1000 after a faceplant at about 95km/h. No head injuries. Replaced with another Shoei, a Quest this time.

[Quasievil]

Oh I wasn't without injuries. 16 weeks hospital worth. Believe what you want, as for me I know it wasn't my time to be taken home. Here's pic of the logging truck - between which front wheels I merrily slid.



mmmm the truck is still in his lane, guessing you where going to fast for the corner huh.:niceone:

[Paul in NZ]

Holy crap man... Looks like you were already sliding minus the bike, ripping and bleeding and all before you hit the truck. Can you remember what led up to that? (not laughing at you or poking fingers - we have all cocked up at something at some time)

I guess the LS2 hit the front axle? Shit - that must have stopped you in a hurry....

[GTRMAN]

Perhaps he should change his avatar and sig pic to reflect that?


Maybe I should have said HOPEFULLY learned a very big lesson....

[Grantman_]

Witnesses simply said the bike washed out for whatever reason. Can't remember a thing. Was prob happily walking toward the light. I didn't stop at the front axle. Went right under somehow.

[Ocean1]

The biggest problem with any lid for me is my giant deformed head and huge nose. The always fog up cos my nostrils are only a mm or 2 from the visor. The Shoei fits OK but only cos the linings all collapsed in horror at the thought of actually touching me.

Best helmet I had was an AGV. It fitted great until the inner part decomposed and it went insane and decided to try and crush my forehead. Stupid helmet should have known better...

Arais are cool but waaaay out of my price range...

Have a look at Airoh's S4. Austensibly an adv lid but can be reconfigured to a damn fine road helmet with plenty of room up front for the nasally well endowered. You'll have to hunt for pics of it like that but it's worth some effort, excellent field of vission and very light, it's still my favourite.

[Paul in NZ]

Have a look at Airoh's S4. Austensibly an adv lid but can be reconfigured to a damn fine road helmet with plenty of room up front for the nasally well endowered. You'll have to hunt for pics of it like that but it's worth some effort, excellent field of vission and very light, it's still my favourite.

Sounds like a transformer - grandkids would love that.

[Paul in NZ]

Witnesses simply said the bike washed out for whatever reason. Can't remember a thing. Was prob happily walking toward the light. I didn't stop at the front axle. Went right under somehow.

Walking to the light? Sliding screaming towards the headlights more likely....

[george formby]

Oh I wasn't without injuries. 16 weeks hospital worth. Believe what you want, as for me I know it wasn't my time to be taken home. Here's pic of the logging truck - between which front wheels I merrily slid.


Hope you don't mind me asking but where did it happen? Mangamukas?

Logging truck incidents are epidemic at the mo, ok, not that common, but I know 2 people who have had run ins with them in the last week or so. One guy's tow truck spun out on diesel & hit one & one of my customers is too frightened to drive after her incident.

Oh, I have an Airoh in large for sale, can't remember the model but it's like new. Bit noisy but very light & starwarsish with an internal sun visor.

[Ocean1]

Hope you don't mind me asking but where did it happen? Mangamukas?

Logging truck incidents are epidemic at the mo, ok, not that common, but I know 2 people who have had run ins with them in the last week or so. One guy's tow truck spun out on diesel & hit one & one of my customers is too frightened to drive after her incident.

Oh, I have an Airoh in large for sale, can't remember the model but it's like new. Bit noisy but very light & starwarsish with an internal sun visor.

Might be interested myself. Will check size, can you check which model it is?
Much obliged.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Wasn't Fluke an ancient pagan god? :corn:


Kind of. They make test equipment and multimeters etc

http://www.fluke.com/fluke/usen/products/categorydmm?trck=dmm

and thanking god, but not the people that designed the safety gear or the doctors that saved his sorry ass? weak.

[oneofsix]

Kind of. They make test equipment and multimeters etc

http://www.fluke.com/fluke/usen/products/categorydmm?trck=dmm

and thanking god, but not the people that designed the safety gear or the doctors that saved his sorry ass? weak.

I was just having fun.
Reading more of the story perhaps he should reassess in regards to a gods involvement. Safety gear saved his life but some mystery force made him wipe out in the first place and sent him skidding towards a truck on the wrong side of yellow lines. Now if you go back to pagan type gods where the same god could be both good and bad, unlike the Judaic model of god and devil, then perhaps it is not thanks he should be offering :lol:

I guess in the Christian model it was the devil or demon that made him wipe out and his angel or God that meant the gear worked this time, the fluke crasher referred to :msn-wink:

Glad he lived to try and workout what went wrong and to tell us how good his helmet was.

[Grantman_]

Hope you don't mind me asking but where did it happen? Mangamukas?

Nowhere close, but yes it was in Northland.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I was just having fun.
Reading more of the story perhaps he should reassess in regards to a gods involvement. Safety gear saved his life but some mystery force made him wipe out in the first place and sent him skidding towards a truck on the wrong side of yellow lines. Now if you go back to pagan type gods where the same god could be both good and bad, unlike the Judaic model of god and devil, then perhaps it is not thanks he should be offering :lol:

I guess in the Christian model it was the devil or demon that made him wipe out and his angel or God that meant the gear worked this time, the fluke crasher referred to :msn-wink:

Glad he lived to try and workout what went wrong and to tell us how good his helmet was.

there was no supernatural involvement. Mr King of the Mangamukas fucked up, and got lucky.


Let's say that the consensus is that our species, being the higher primates, Homo Sapiens, has been on the planet for at least 100,000 years, maybe more. Francis Collins says maybe 100,000. Richard Dawkins thinks maybe a quarter-of-a-million. I'll take 100,000. In order to be a Christian, you have to believe that for 98,000 years, our species suffered and died, most of its children dying in childbirth, most other people having a life expectancy of about 25 years, dying of their teeth. Famine, struggle, bitterness, war, suffering, misery, all of that for 98,000 years. Heaven watches this with complete indifference. And then 2000 years ago, thinks "That's enough of that. It's time to intervene," and the best way to do this would be by condemning someone to a human sacrifice somewhere in the less literate parts of the Middle East. Don't lets appeal to the Chinese, for example, where people can read and study evidence and have a civilization. Let's go to the desert and have another revelation there. This is nonsense. It can't be believed by a thinking person.

[oneofsix]

there was no supernatural involvement. Mr King of the Mangamukas fucked up, and got lucky.

Luck is a supernatural force

[HenryDorsetCase]

Luck is a supernatural force

nonsense

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[oneofsix]

nonsense

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then prove it. If it is supernatural then like god it is unprovable and faith based. To say it is not supernatural then you must be able to offer empirical proof of lucks existence.

Actually this is becoming dangerous, we could get moved to the religious box :nono:

[skippa1]

wiki says........


Luck or fortunity is good fortune which occurs beyond one's control, without regard to one's will (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/Will_(philosophy)), intention (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/Intention), or desired (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/Desire_(philosophy)) result. There are at least two senses people usually mean when they use the term, the prescriptive sense and the descriptive sense. In the prescriptive sense, luck is the supernatural (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/Supernatural) and deterministic (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/Determinism) concept that there are forces (e.g. gods or spirits) which prescribe that certain events occur very much the way the laws of physics will prescribe that certain events occur. It is the prescriptive sense that people mean when they state that they "do not believe in luck". In the descriptive sense, luck is merely a name we give to events after they occur which we find to be fortuitous and perhaps improbable.

[willytheekid]

Im currently using an LS2

I actually like it, the inner flip down sunnies are great and the build quality is actually very good...bit noisey, but for the price its one of the best helmets Ive tried.

Its good to see Grantman back online and sharing his "experiance" with us all...came way too close to losing him, all due to the pursuit of "getting the knee down".
...its a great lesson for many riders & KB members

Ride safe everyone and ATGATT

[george formby]

Nowhere close, but yes it was in Northland.

That narrows it down to 3 roads then.

[Paul in NZ]

there was no supernatural involvement. Mr King of the Mangamukas fucked up, and got lucky.

I went into a desert and had several revelations so to be fair its probably a decent place to go if you are looking for one. Mind you - mine were a bit more mundane, like, fuck its a long way to Taupo I hope the gas station at Turangi is open. The only other desert I went to produced a dirty old hermit exposing himself at me - I mean it was impressive and all but I don't think I'd start a religion over it..

[BigAl]

Is the label the most expensive thing about some helmets?

In many cases yes, check out this Brit site for helmet safety ratings http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/

Some cheaper helmets have as good ratings or better than Arais, Agvs etc

[Grantman_]

In many cases yes, check out this Brit site for helmet safety ratings http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/

Some cheaper helmets have as good ratings or better than Arais, Agvs etc

Interesting. My LS2 single mono 351 (LS2 Mono) scored better than 6 of the 8 Arai helmets, equalled 1, and beaten by the remaining Arai.

[Grantman_]

Dainese produce a 1 star helmet http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/testsratings/dainese-airstream

[flyingcrocodile46]

Glad to see you were afforded an opportunity to learn the most important lesson of your life. I dare say it has caused much reflection on life on many levels. Put it to good use :niceone:

This is my lid. A flip face 90 pounds (about $400 here :rolleyes:) Sharp score the flip face helmets both by stars and by recording the incidence of failure of the flip to stay locked in place. The Caberg Rhino/Trip scored 5 Stars and the flip face remained locked in 90% of impact tests. The only other 5 star flip face (BMW $y$tem 5) stayed locked 100%, while the typical score is something like the 4 star Shark Evoline which only stayed locked for 75% of impact tests.

http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/testsratings/caberg-trip

Interestingly Schuberth make the BMW helmet yet their own C2 scored 4 stars and the C3 got 3 stars??

[skippa1]

Glad to see you were afforded an opportunity to learn the most important lesson of your life. I dare say it has caused much reflection on life on many levels. Put it to good use :niceone:

This is my lid. A flip face 90 pounds (about $400 here :rolleyes:) Sharp score the flip face helmets both by stars and by recording the incidence of failure of the flip to stay locked in place. The Caberg Rhino/Trip scored 5 Stars and the flip face remained locked in 90% of impact tests. The only other 5 star flip face (BMW $y$tem 5) stayed locked 100%, while the typical score is something like the 4 star Shark Evoline which only stayed locked for 75% of impact tests.

http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/testsratings/caberg-trip

Interestingly Schuberth make the BMW helmet yet their own C2 scored 4 stars and the C3 got 3 stars??

I had an LS2 flip face fly open when I turned my head sideways to look before changing lanes on the Welington motorway at just under 100km/h. Just about tore my head off....blardy thing. The dealer sent it back as it was near new and the manufacturer said there had been a "number" of failures similar. Its a pot plant holder now.