Christchurch crash facts

[jim.cox]

Traffic engineers seem to spend all there time working out where to put in new sets of traffic lights and fuck up traffic flows, arseholes

Actually the roading engineers spend time and vast amounts of money building roads that have a safe design speed of 120kmh

Then the Five-Oh can come along and ping drivers using the road as designed

Keeps the Rozzas busy and pays for the road at the same time :yes:

[Ocean1]

Actually the roading engineers spend time and vast amounts of money building roads that have a safe design speed of 120kmh

They do. Safe for B-trains and tankers at that speed. For your average 10 year old family car that translates to about 150k.

What they don't do in town is bowl over existing superstructure to make roads that are safe at 50k.

[Katman]

Sorry guys, before you comment on that intersection, drive it,
then you will understand.
The engineer who designed it mast have been on drugs the day he did,
It just does not make sense to any person with logic, why it is how it is.
Agree with Rasta, it would not be really fair on drivers to heavily target that intersection.
Many people have complained about it, but the shinny pants still disregard public pleas,
""Of course our engineer must be right , we pay him big money to design that intersection""

FFS, if a motorcyclist was knocked off their bike by a car driver cutting that corner you'd be screaming blue murder at the "fucking cager".

You sure as fuck wouldn't be saying "Oh well, it's not the car drivers fault it's that crazy roading engineer's"

[FJRider]

FFS, if a motorcyclist was knocked off their bike by a car driver cutting that corner you'd be screaming blue murder at the "fucking cager".

You sure as fuck wouldn't be saying "Oh well, it's not the car drivers fault it's that crazy roading engineer's"

If a motorcyclist was knocked off their bike as they were cutting the corner ... is it the motorcyclist at fault or that crazy roading engineer ... ??? Or the car for not giving way ... ??

[Katman]

If a motorcyclist was knocked off their bike as they were cutting the corner ... is it the motorcyclist at fault or that crazy roading engineer ... ??? Or the car for not giving way ... ??

Sorry if that's supposed to be a trick question but surely the fault lies with the party that can't keep within their own lane.

[FJRider]

Sorry if that's supposed to be a trick question but surely the fault lies with the party that can't keep within their own lane.

I'm guessing the party at fault ... knows they're at fault.


Admitting ... they could be at fault is another story ...



Those bloody cage pilots .... eh ... !!!

[rastuscat]

FFS, if a motorcyclist was knocked off their bike by a car driver cutting that corner you'd be screaming blue murder at the "fucking cager".

You sure as fuck wouldn't be saying "Oh well, it's not the car drivers fault it's that crazy roading engineer's"

The intersection we are talking about is what it is.

Anyone turning into it has a view of several hundred meters, due to the offset angle. That's what has led to complacency by folk turning into it.

If someone turns into it, cutting the corner, and causes a bin, it's their fault, regardless of their choice of vehicle.

It's crap engineering, but drivers are expected to comply with it.

[Katman]

It's crap engineering, but drivers are expected to comply with it.

Exactly.

And as such surely it merits the policing of the basic road rules.

[Madness]

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It doesn't look very technical on Goggle. Sounds like laziness that should be policed.

[merv]

.. and I was saying if that (policing) doesn't work stick a flippin median strip in the middle of the road that they can't drive over. People that cross centre lines in a lazy fashion annoy me more than most.

That corner, like many, will have had that kink put in it due to the number that caused problems by not looking properly when they approached the through road at an angle. Designers try to straighten them up to be more perpendicular to get a better view when they approach the intersection. Don't want them to miss seeing a biker coming along the through road and just pull out in front or worse hit them side on - "didn't see him orrificer".

[FJRider]

Exactly.

And as such surely it merits the policing of the basic road rules.

I think it merits the obeyence of basic road rules first.

[Katman]

I think it merits the obeyence of basic road rules first.

Sorry man, but you're playing word games like Edbear.

Apparently the rules aren't being 'obeyed'.

Therefore they need to be 'policed'.

[oneofsix]

No win for the road engineers. Bring the road at at the angle then you have an acute angle with drivers either having to look over their shoulders or if turning into the road swinging wide or having to almost stop on the straight through road.
The way it is now I can see why people turning right into the side road aim for the distance straight and I see Raustuscat's issue. I reckon I would be pissed if pinged for cutting the corner because it is a clear view, also I would have my right indicator on so I can change in to the right lane if its clear, right? :blink: If the lane isn't clear then it would be a fair cop.

[FJRider]

The intersection we are talking about is what it is.

Anyone turning into it has a view of several hundred meters, due to the offset angle. That's what has led to complacency by folk turning into it.

If someone turns into it, cutting the corner, and causes a bin, it's their fault, regardless of their choice of vehicle.

It's crap engineering, but drivers are expected to comply with it.

It has been the policy of roading engineer's for some time now, to change Y intersections into T intersections. (This is a policy nationwide ... not just Christchurch) On the grounds that motorists do not arrive at the junction on an angle ... thus giving a better view of traffic approaching from either direction.
This intersection has been changed ... why do Canterbury drivers have a problem with it ... ???

[Katman]

And regarding the engineering of that intersection it looks to me like the dogleg that causes Townsend Road to intersect at a right angle is specifically to cause drivers to make a deliberate and judged turn into Townsend Road instead of just suddenly veering across the oncoming lane.

[merv]

Even where I live here in the great city of Porirua I live near a curve which has interesting things occur. The street isn't particularly narrow, just a typical suburban street. It has a centre-line painted on it.

About 9 out of 10 cars that come along the road taking the right hand curve make a squealing sound on a dry day which I hear clearly when I'm outside and sometimes when I'm inside. What is it? Well its the noise generated when they don't stay properly in their lane and drive around the corner right on top of the white centre line. What is it with people that can't stay in their lane? This is a smooth radius curve in a 50km/hr zone and nothing much is gained by cutting a slightly tight line except a greater risk of hitting someone going the other way because if the tyre is on the white line sure as hell much of the car is over it.

[Kickaha]

it looks to me like the dogleg that causes Townsend Road to intersect at a right angle is specifically to cause drivers to make a deliberate and judged turn into Townsend Road instead of just suddenly veering across the oncoming lane.

Well it doesnt work then

I thought it might have been to slow traffic turning off Towsend left into Fernside

[scumdog]

Even where I live here in the great city of Porirua I live near a curve which has interesting things occur. The street isn't particularly narrow, just a typical suburban street. It has a centre-line painted on it.

About 9 out of 10 cars that come along the road taking the right hand curve make a squealing sound on a dry day which I hear clearly when I'm outside and sometimes when I'm inside. What is it? Well its the noise generated when they don't stay properly in their lane and drive around the corner right on top of the white centre line. What is it with people that can't stay in their lane? This is a smooth radius curve in a 50km/hr zone and nothing much is gained by cutting a slightly tight line except a greater risk of hitting someone going the other way because if the tyre is on the white line sure as hell much of the car is over it.


I know what you're on about Merv - are people today so limp-wristed that even with power steering they can't keep to their side of the road?

I'm on a section of road that has a slight left-hand curve leading onto a straight section for people entering town, in a 70kph area.

Yet at night I constantly hear 'babump...babump,,,babump' as people entering town run over the cat-eyes in the centre of the road...incompentent imbeciles...a slight left turn and they still can't keep to their side of the road! "Aw but there was nothing coming" WTF: Do they think the person causing a head-on thought "There IS something coming but what the helll." just before impact?

Big jagged spikes down the centre of the road would cure that problem overnight....

[Katman]

Well it doesnt work then


Hence why it needs policing.

[FJRider]

Hence why it needs policing.

Failing to keep left is a nationwide problem. Why should one corner in Canterbury need any special police action ... ???

[Katman]

Failing to keep left is a nationwide problem. Why should one corner in Canterbury need any special police action ... ???

I'm going to start calling you Ed.

[FJRider]

I'm going to start calling you Ed.

I've been called worse ... as will you have been.

[Subike]

I can think without effort of about 10 corners the same as that in the cant region,
And most are on main roads.
Shall we place a police unit on them all
That would be so good.
everybody else could just go crazy....

[FJRider]

I can think without effort of about 10 corners the same as that in the cant region,
And most are on main roads.
Shall we place a police unit on them all
That would be so good.
everybody else could just go crazy....

E.mail the Minister of police ... tell him Katman wants more police in canterbury.

Done.

[FJRider]

I'm going to start calling you Ed.

Ed answers questions ... you just change the subject.

[oneofsix]

I can think without effort of about 10 corners the same as that in the cant region,
And most are on main roads.
Shall we place a police unit on them all
That would be so good.
everybody else could just go crazy....

What do you think would happen if they policed say one of those corners each week, only take one cop?
Would the bitching and moaning warn other road users that they should pay attention to their road position?

[FJRider]

What do you think would happen if they policed say one of those corners each week, only take one cop?
Would the bitching and moaning warn other road users that they should pay attention to their road position?

Would the accident rate drop on that ... and the other intersections ... ???

Our esteemed donut muncher ... is no doubt witness to much driver stupidity ... from the controls of marked police vehicles already. On the times they aren't there .... what changes ... ???

[Katman]

The illogicality of this place makes me laugh.

On one hand we have people screaming that policing an artibary speed limit is nothing but revenue gathering and on the other hand many of those same people thank that it's ok to ignore other basic road rules - rules that when ignored have far greater potential for motorcycling disaster.

[Katman]

Ed answers questions

Wrong.

Ed sticks his fingers in his ears and goes "LAH, LAH, LAH, LAH......."

[oneofsix]

The illogicality of this place makes me laugh.

On one hand we have people screaming that policing an artibary speed limit is nothing but revenue gathering and on the other hand many of those same people thank that it's ok to ignore other basic road rules - rules that when ignored have far greater potential for motorcycling disaster.

What is illogical? They don't like the speed limit and they don't like obeying other road rules. They probably don't like rules at all.

Some don't like the arbitrary speed limits, especially when lies have been told or they are being lowered for illogical reasons such as an accident in excess of the current limit being used to lower the limit further or a limit being lower until safety improvements are completed and then staying there after the so called improvements. However they are willing to obey rules that have obvious a safety implications such as cutting blind corners.

[FJRider]

The illogicality of this place makes me laugh.

On one hand we have people screaming that policing an artibary speed limit is nothing but revenue gathering and on the other hand many of those same people thank that it's ok to ignore other basic road rules - rules that when ignored have far greater potential for motorcycling disaster.

But is more policing the answer to the problem ... or a stop-gap untill a solution can be found to the problem. If indeed a problem can be identified. (read admitted)


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[oneofsix]

But is more policing the answer to the problem ... or a stop-gap untill a solution can be found to the problem. If indeed a problem can be identified. (read admitted)


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A wide open platform :wings:

[FJRider]

However they are willing to obey rules that have obvious a safety implications such as cutting blind corners.

Um ...

On the corner mentioned (and pictured) ... they don't. (hence the grumbles about that corner) And on many corners other than that one as well.

[Katman]

Um ...

On the corner mentioned (and pictured) ... they don't. (hence the grumbles about that corner) And on many corners other than that one as well.

So why would a police officer say, on this thread, that while he could easily fulfill his 'quota' on that corner he's not actually interested in policing it at all.

Doesn't make sense to me.

[FJRider]

So why would a police officer say, on this thread, that while he could easily fulfill his 'quota' on that corner he's not actually interested in policing it at all.

Doesn't make sense to me.

It would make sense ... if there was a quota. But there isn't ... he told me that himself. :yes:

He wouldn't lie to me ... would he ... ??? :eek:

[Kickaha]

It would make sense ... if there was a quota. But there isn't ... he told me that himself. :yes:

He wouldn't lie to me ... would he ... ??? :eek:

Well he said so here :whistle:


I come home via that route most days.

I consider that most drivers wouldn't cut the road markings if the Waimak engineers had engineered the intersection for drivers.

Yeah, I could fill the quota there, .

Maybe he meant his quota of donuts

[Jantar]

Like FJR said, this has been a national roading policy for some time now. The idea is to slow down vehicles entering the main road and to make them look.

In fine weather and in daylight that is great, but often at night and with those sodium lamps that now appear at every intersection, the actual layout of the road is hidden, and the number of crashes increases. Just have a look at most of those roads and you'll find skid marks imediately before the kink and/or tyre marks going off road and following the old layout. Yes, there may be fewer collisions at the intersection, but more crashes overall.

[swbarnett]

Really? You can't ride and enjoy it without exceeding the speed limit plus tolerance?

I most certainly can. However, I still don't see why we have to have one limit for all when clearly we don't all have the same riding/driving ability, awareness etc. It just doesn't make sense.

You'll have to excuse me but I don't do anything just because some supposed authority tells me to. Especially when it's my own body that's at risk.


Okay, allow me to rephrase.

No speed in excess of the speed limit, no speeding ticket for exceeding the speed limit.
Better, at least this is factually correct.

[swbarnett]

The intersection is inanimate it doesn't lead people to do anything, their shitty driving habits do
Actually, the way an inanimate object is designed can have a profound affect on human behaviour. Sounds like that intersection has very poor affordance.

[scumdog]

I most certainly can. However, I still don't see why we have to have one limit for all when clearly we don't all have the same riding/driving ability, awareness etc. It just doesn't make sense.

You'll have to excuse me but I don't do anything just because some supposed authority tells me to. Especially when it's my own body that's at risk.


Better, at least this is factually correct.

That's troll.....riiigghht???:blink:

It had better be......

[FJRider]

However, I still don't see why we have to have one limit for all when clearly we don't all have the same riding/driving ability, awareness etc. It just doesn't make sense.

You'll have to excuse me but I don't do anything just because some supposed authority tells me to. Especially when it's my own body that's at risk.

It's that difference in ability's that make the speed limit's safer for all road users ...

If it's only your body that's on the road ... maybe. But the thing is ... you wont know for certain it is. Those other bodys then rely on your abilitys ... not to put them at risk.

Do/will you trust them .. and can/will they trust you ... ???

[swbarnett]

That's troll.....riiigghht???:blink:

It had better be......
Not at all. Remember that the removal of speed limits does not necessarily lead to a rise in the road toll. Or, for that matter, the risk of being on the road.

The only reason we have a speed limit at all is that some politician wanted to get votes from those misguided souls that believe speed is the ultimate evil. That and the fact that it's easy to police.


Do/will you trust them
I don't now and never will, speed limit or no. I don't care what speed anyone rides/drives at. I accept that I'm not alone on the road and ride accordingly.


.. and can/will they trust you ... ???
I hope not. Anybody that trusts other road users needs to start taking responsibility for themselves and stop expecting others to look after them.

[rastuscat]

Mr Rastuscat,
I haz a questions.

Seriously.
In my current job I travel around 1000k per week driving a light vehicle (not a truck)
Having a GPS to guide me has been most educational.
What I have discovered is that driving over the speed limit doesn't really shorten my travel time enough to be be worth the drama and risk
However, what quickly lengthens my journey time is encountering many many road users travelling at 80 - 85kph

I know the speed limit isn't a target and if the conditions change adjust your speed and all of that. I also realise that reduced speed achieves more time to correct a mistake and less energy to dissapate in the event something goes wrong.

Those road users are obviously travelling at a speed that they feel safe and comfortable with so I applaud that.
What I wish was reinforced was the message that if another road user catches up to you they are obviously comfortable with a little more pace. Our roads are narrow and often without great vision so if the slower driver were to make a bit of effort the other driver could be past and on their way.

For me, if someone catches me I let them through and wish them well. I wouldn't call myself a great driver but I do try to be aware of what around me and drive accordingly

What is the police position on this? For sure at peak holiday periods there is a half hearted message along these lines. Its pretty poor driving but largely tolerated otherwise.

Thats a bigger question than you may have imagined.

The Police position, officially, is that it's offence to hold up traffic by driving too slowly. People should pull to the left, and let following traffic go past.

Now for the complicated bit. Your GPS is truly a big issue. Most cars have speedos that read optimistically by, at 100km/h indicated, maybe 6-10 kmh. So, someone who is driving at what they think is 100, is actually probably doing 94-ish. So you come up behind them on your GPS equipped vehicle, knowing how fast you are actually doing, expecting them to move left and let you past. They, on the other hand, think they are doing 100, so bugger the hoon behind them who wants past.

Add the Police tolerance in, and it gets really interesting. The GPS equipped dude (or dudette), knowing that the Police tolerance means they can do 110 on the open road and not get snapped, has a 16 km/h differential pissing them right off. The apparently snails pace driver, still convinced that the GPS loony should be doing no more than 100, slows down to 95, in case their speed creeps on a slight downhill, and they get their photo taken at 101, something they perceive incorrectly.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

In terms of the practicality of enforcing the rule, I posted a few months back about a case I witnessed. I saw a bloke tottering along at 70 in a 100 area, with about 11 cars strung our behind him. I was on Highways at the time, and driving a Popo car. I was going in the opposite direction. I wasn't able to u-turn after him until the 11 unhappy drivers went past. Then I had to drive fairly aggressively with lights and siren on to get past the 11 drivers, none of whom had felt it safe to overtake the 70kmh loony, and yet expecting me to overtake them to get to him. Anyway, I did, pulled the chap over, and therafter suffered a lecture about quotas, revenue collecting, blah blah blah. I wrote the ticket. Immediately I had stopped the miscreant, the 11 drivers drove past, some clapping for me having done what I did, some shaking their fist at what the miscreat had done.

See, it's bloody dangerous to enforce that law. I had to drive in a manner I was pretty uncomfortable with, in order to get the job done. Its the job, but it doesn't mean it's fun, at times. I want to go home to my family at night too.

Lots more I could say on this one, as the slow pokes on the road piss me off too. Spatial awareness at the start of passing lanes deserves a chapter on its own, care for a sermon on that?

Hey, great to see the hearty discussion on this.

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[Gremlin]

They, on the other hand, think they are doing 100, so bugger the hoon behind them who wants past.
I feel this attitude is typical of NZ drivers, but question why? If someone wants to go faster, then over to them, hell if I want them riding on my back bumper! Neither am I the police so if they want to, and it's no risk to me, then leave them to it.

I've slowed at the top of passing lanes (when in left lane) because I saw a vehicle coming up behind travelling more quickly and knew at my present speed they wouldn't get past. Instead, I slow down a bit to give them more space and they can carry on at their pace.

[rastuscat]

I feel this attitude is typical of NZ drivers, but question why? If someone wants to go faster, then over to them, hell if I want them riding on my back bumper!

Yeah, cant understand the aggravation.

The other day I was riding in heavy traffic on Johns Road, Churchur. I overtook a small white truck, got well past, and pulled into the gap between him and the semi trailer ahead of him. Next thing he pulls up left of me and bellows at me that I had taken his space.

Wot? Like me getting ahead had somehow adversely affected him. Plonker. When it pisses down with rain, he can put his wipers on, I can't. Thats the advantage of having a cage. When I use a bike to it's advantage by overtaking where I can, why does he get pissy at me?

Knobs are out there.

Donuts are too, luckily.

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[Drew]

Um ...

On the corner mentioned (and pictured) ... they don't. (hence the grumbles about that corner) And on many corners other than that one as well.I missed the picture. Where is it exactly?

[Kickaha]

Next thing he pulls up left of me and bellows at me that I had taken his space.

You should have dragged him out his side window and bashed him

[oneofsix]

You should have dragged him out his side window and bashed him

Nah he should have just posted him a ticket for dangerous or careless driving

[rastuscat]

However, I still don't see why we have to have one limit for all when clearly we don't all have the same riding/driving ability, awareness etc. It just doesn't make sense.

Actually, in the real world, it does.

How does an enforcement officer know the ability level of a driver, and so what tolerance to apply to them?

Shit hot riders like yourself will, of course, have a far greater tolerance than all those other inferior drivers/riders.

The reason a limit is applied across the board it that it is easy to understand for the majority of people, it's unambiguous.

Sorry, venting.

[rastuscat]

Nah he should have just posted him a ticket for dangerous or careless driving

I was riding my own bike at the time, and if I'd done work on my own bike, I would have had to claim overtime.

Cant have that.

[Drew]

Actually, in the real world, it does.

How does an enforcement officer know the ability level of a driver, and so what tolerance to apply to them?

Shit hot riders like yourself will, of course, have a far greater tolerance than all those other inferior drivers/riders.

The reason a limit is applied across the board it that it is easy to understand for the majority of people, it's unambiguous.

Sorry, venting.Different coloured plates, today's electrickery makes a barcode pretty easy to scan by you donut munchers, lisence classes.

There's heaps of ways, but it's redundant when you think about the lowest common element trying to deal with a larger variable of speed than they can't fuckin judge now.

Dunno what he's on about anyhoo, us bike gods just jet when we see the disco lights. If not making enough ground, ride past a dunken donuts to distract you fuzzy muthafuckers!

[FJRider]

I missed the picture. Where is it exactly?

Canterbury .............

[Oakie]

I was riding my own bike at the time, and if I'd done work on my own bike, I would have had to claim overtime. Cant have that.

Solution. Take a small supply of business cards with you. "Sorry sir. Here's my card. Give me a call at work on Monday and we'll discuss it"

[scumdog]

Different coloured plates, today's electrickery makes a barcode pretty easy to scan by you donut munchers, lisence classes.

!

Mwahaha, just imagine a busy motorway with three or four 'speed catagory' driver/riders

the 140kph+ drivers swerving inbetween and around those limited to 85kph who have the 110kph limit ones scattered behind them trying to get past them....oh my, such mirth and hilarity:shutup:

[scumdog]

The other day I was riding in heavy traffic on Johns Road, Churchur. I overtook a small white truck, got well past, and pulled into the gap between him and the semi trailer ahead of him. Next thing he pulls up left of me and bellows at me that I had taken his space.

Did he show the receipt to show 'proof of purchase' of said space??:blink:

And where did he think you were taking it to....

[Drew]

Mwahaha, just imagine a busy motorway with three or four 'speed catagory' driver/riders

the 140kph+ drivers swerving inbetween and around those limited to 85kph who have the 110kph limit ones scattered behind them trying to get past them....oh my, such mirth and hilarity:shutup:It'd be fuckin funny, in a slapstick kinda way alright.

[rastuscat]

Different coloured plates, today's electrickery makes a barcode pretty easy to scan by you donut munchers, lisence classes.s!

Yeah, so we fix a gold plate to a car, then everyone gets the exemption, not just the primo driver the exemption applies to.

And to scan a Licence we'd have to 3T everyone, even the ones with exemptions, just to see if they had an exemption or not.

Tel ya what Drew, PM me and I'll send you a get out of jail free card. You can redeem it any time I stop you, as long as you hand over a donut voucher.

You Bike God, you.

[scumdog]

Yeah, so we fix a gold plate to a car, then everyone gets the exemption, not just the primo driver the exemption applies to.

And to scan a Licence we'd have to 3T everyone, even the ones with exemptions, just to see if they had an exemption or not.

Tel ya what Drew, PM me and I'll send you a get out of jail free card. You can redeem it any time I stop you, as long as you hand over a donut voucher.

You Bike God, you.


You ass-hole, do you realise you have now cruely squashed the pipe-dream of quite a few KB members??:shit:

How unthinking of you....have you no heart?

[FJRider]

You ass-hole, do you realise you have now cruely squashed the pipe-dream of quite a few KB members??:shit:

How unthinking of you....have you no heart?

And he told ME there was NO quota too .... so much for being a member of the most trusted occupation in (our) society ...





oh wait ... they're not anymore ... <_<

[rastuscat]

And he told ME there was NO quota too <

I'll clarify. I expect my troops to turn up and do what they are paid to do. That's as close as I've ever got to telling them how many tickets to write.

The standard answer when a punter accuses us of having a quota is "Nah, I reached my quota before morning tea, I'm writing this one for fun".

:wings:

[scumdog]

I'll clarify. I expect my troops to turn up and do what they are paid to do. That's as close as I've ever got to telling them how many tickets to write.

The standard answer when a punter accuses us of having a quota is "Nah, I reached my quota before morning tea, I'm writing this one for fun".

:wings:

With me it's "They're not like paua mate, there's no quota, I can write out as many as I like..."

Then again I am all heart.:msn-wink:

[merv]

Haha, on a motorway with a decent number of lanes there could be one for each speed category of driver/rider. Isn't that how the German autobahns work where the law of the jungle applies - if you're not trying to do 300km/hr in a Porsche, Merc or some Italian car, then get outta the fast lane. Novices and pussies, stay in the slow lanes.

My pet favourite here is truck on truck action up hills - e.g. Ngauranga Gorge - how often do you find all the brake lights coming on as cars slow down or try and get around the truck that is passing the truck - one doing 25 the other doing 30, while the cars are trying to keep to the speed limit of 80. The trucks (and buses) should be allowed to drive only in the left lane until they get to the top of the hill. This is a bit like a MotoGP prototype catching up to a CRT when there is a 50 or 60km/hr speed differential.

Cat and scummy, remember if ya tickets don't work on that keep left thing don't forget to recommend to ya bosses those yankee "don't back up" spikes to stop people travelling the wrong way in a lane.

[Jantar]

The trucks (and buses) should be allowed to drive only in the left lane until they get to the top of the hill. This is a bit like a MotoGP prototype catching up to a CRT when there is a 50 or 60km/hr speed differential.....
I have noticed that many highways in Queensland have signs mandating that trucks must drive in the left lane. There are even some roads where trucks are forbidden between 4:00 and 6:00 pm.

[FJRider]

I'll clarify. I expect my troops to turn up and do what they are paid to do. That's as close as I've ever got to telling them how many tickets to write.

:wings:

Do the job they're paid to do.

An original concept ... in the New Zealand workplace.





It'll never catch on ....

[Gremlin]

Yeah, so we fix a gold plate to a car, then everyone gets the exemption, not just the primo driver the exemption applies to.
You'd lend out your bike :eek5: I'd sooner lend out my gf... oh wait, I don't have one.

You're still not getting the bike :bleh:

[schrodingers cat]

Thats a bigger question than you may have imagined.

Thanks for taking the time to answer.
The work vehicle has oversize tyres which is why I depend on the GPS to keep me (mostly) legal. At speedo 100k I'm travelling 107k
I do factor in the speedo error etc for other cars. Trucks on the road travel at 90kph as do folks with trailers and that is just life Jim.

As I said, its the drivers doing 80kph that I think are taking the piss.

Having been on the other side of the equation, a lot of drivers won pass. If I'm towing something, esp big and heavy, I drive on the mirrors and make a really big effort to let folks through and on their way. So many simply won't. And the next car arrives, and then the next and as you say then their is an issue.
Sometimes to force folks to pass you have to pull right over and slow to 30kph.
Do they not realise that you can pass at any time so long as you don't cross the center line? (Correct me if I'm wrong)

[Hawk]

With me it's "They're not like paua mate, there's no quota, I can write out as many as I like..."

Then again I am all heart.:msn-wink:

i always liked the reply to but the car in front was going faster than me why didn't you catch him, reply.....when you go fishing do you catch all the fish in the sea

[FJRider]

i always liked the reply to but the car in front was going faster than me why didn't you catch him, reply.....when you go fishing do you catch all the fish in the sea

Give him time to get them ... he's still young(ish) ... no rush.

[Edbear]

You ass-hole, do you realise you have now cruely squashed the pipe-dream of quite a few KB members??:shit:

How unthinking of you....have you no heart?

Oh. C'mon, he did offer to trade donuts...


I'll clarify. I expect my troops to turn up and do what they are paid to do. That's as close as I've ever got to telling them how many tickets to write.

The standard answer when a punter accuses us of having a quota is "Nah, I reached my quota before morning tea, I'm writing this one for fun".

:wings:

Ha ha! The guy who got me for 112km/h could have had sense of humour instead of looking glum about it. I didn't ask about quota though, maybe that's where I went wrong?

[warewolf]

Yeah, so we fix a gold plate to a car, then everyone gets the exemption, not just the primo driver the exemption applies to.Rubbish. L's and P's had (still have?) speed differentials per driver for yonks. I don't see the difference in having another class with another plate, or why it has suddenly become a new, impossible to implement idea.

[warewolf]

Mwahaha, just imagine a busy motorway with three or four 'speed catagory' driver/riders

the 140kph+ drivers swerving inbetween and around those limited to 85kph who have the 110kph limit ones scattered behind them trying to get past them....oh my, such mirth and hilarity:shutup:Reality is otherwise; I spent years in Sydeney riding on motorways where there was that speed differential and it worked fine.

However, it would help if the po-po bothered to enforce the keep left rule. Which would actually align with the whole 'safer journeys' strategy, with a lot less aggro and traffic chaos all round.

[Drew]

Rubbish. L's and P's had (still have?) speed differentials per driver for yonks. I don't see the difference in having another class with another plate, or why it has suddenly become a new, impossible to implement idea.


Reality is otherwise; I spent years in Sydeney riding on motorways where there was that speed differential and it worked fine.

However, it would help if the po-po bothered to enforce the keep left rule. Which would actually align with the whole 'safer journeys' strategy, with a lot less aggro and traffic chaos all round.Motorways that are far better engineered and constructed than anything we've got. Ten fold what we have in Wellington at the very least!

NZ has very little motorway compared to open road, and the death toll would go up quite a lot if we started implimenting higher limits for people who could pass what would be just another woefully easy lisence test.

More needs to be done, before even as much thought as I've had to put into this post be wasted on a personal speed limit system.

[Flip]

Haha, on a motorway with a decent number of lanes there could be one for each speed category of driver/rider. Isn't that how the German autobahns work where the law of the jungle applies - if you're not trying to do 300km/hr in a Porsche, Merc or some Italian car, then get outta the fast lane. Novices and pussies, stay in the slow lanes.

My pet favourite here is truck on truck action up hills - e.g. Ngauranga Gorge - how often do you find all the brake lights coming on as cars slow down or try and get around the truck that is passing the truck - one doing 25 the other doing 30, while the cars are trying to keep to the speed limit of 80. The trucks (and buses) should be allowed to drive only in the left lane until they get to the top of the hill. This is a bit like a MotoGP prototype catching up to a CRT when there is a 50 or 60km/hr speed differential.

Cat and scummy, remember if ya tickets don't work on that keep left thing don't forget to recommend to ya bosses those yankee "don't back up" spikes to stop people travelling the wrong way in a lane.

It will never happen here because 99% of all Kiwi drivers are self appointed motoring gods. I include every donut muncher as well.

[Scuba_Steve]

It will never happen here because 99% of all Kiwi drivers are self appointed motoring gods. I include every donut muncher as well.

Alot of that actually comes from ignorance, they don't know what they're doing wrong & NZTA refuse to run safety or educational ads teaching them as they have a scam to push.
Most believe they're good drivers cause they don't know their speedos out by 5-20%, they don't know they have to keep left unless overtaking, they are unaware it's illegal to hold up traffic (and some of that again comes back to speedo error some believe they're doing the speed limit), they are ignorant of others reliance on correct indication (including pedestrians) & they have no concept of how slow driving severely adversely affects the road it screws everyone up.

Don't get me wrong tho alot are just fucking useless drivers too (fault of "have money here's licence" licensing system) but there's ALOT of ignorance out there on NZ roads & the great NZ scam just makes it worse.

[rastuscat]

Me and da bosses laser will be on SH75 next Sat and Sun.

Just don't wanna catch another KBer.

If you see me out there stop for a chat. Bring donuts.

[scumdog]

It will never happen here because 99% of all Kiwi drivers are self appointed motoring gods. I include every donut muncher as well.

Izzat ALL donut munchers - or just 99% of them???:confused:

[onearmedbandit]

Me and da bosses laser will be on SH75 next Sat and Sun.

Just don't wanna catch another KBer.

If you see me out there stop for a chat. Bring donuts.

Couldn't be fairer then that. Unfortunately I'll be working so you'll have to wait for your donuts!!

[Kickaha]

If you see me out there stop for a chat. Bring donuts.

I bought you one a while back does that mean I don't have to stop?

[Berries]

Couldn't be fairer then that.
Unless he is going to be somewhere else to catch those scared away from SH75.

KB has its uses.

[onearmedbandit]

Unless he is going to be somewhere else to catch those scared away from SH75.

KB has its uses.

Ssshhhhh...

[neels]

Me and da bosses laser will be on SH75 next Sat and Sun.

Just don't wanna catch another KBer.

If you see me out there stop for a chat. Bring donuts.
Was you one of the bike cops parked up at the airport on friday, I assume waiting for the olympic team? Was going to stop and ask but had a plane to catch, and someone had pinched my car park.

[dangerous]

dam you.. you could have just talked to me as well...!!
but at least you thought my lines were ok...
and you think i'm a nice bloke.... you after a date???:facepalm:hey mate, just as well bobby in this case was a bit slack at his job aye... check your licence? rego? wof? :confused:




you told me about the dangers of the Akaroa hill, how so many bikers stuff it up and fall off and that is why you were out there...THAT... would piss me off, well DOH as if I wouldnt already know, suck eggs and all that, however yes in your case as you are a fresh 'visitor' to our neighbour hood...

[rastuscat]

Was you one of the bike cops parked up at the airport on friday, I assume waiting for the olympic team? Was going to stop and ask but had a plane to catch, and someone had pinched my car park.

There are 4 full time motorcycle Popos in Churchur.

One is recovering from a bad SMIDSY back in March. He will be back on the bikes in Oct or Nov. I was on a day off on Friday, so it was the other two at the airport.

The roster has two working each day, coz we have 2 bikes.

So, bring your donut vouchers, coz the odds of it being me are 1 in 3 at the moment, and will be 1 in 4 later in the year.

If its me I will say " well met KBer" . If its one of the others it'll be "donuts? Wot?".

Feeling lucky, Punk?

You wanna lodge a complaint regarding the stolen car park?

Tee hee.

[rastuscat]

hey mate, just as well bobby in this case was a bit slack at his job aye... check your licence? rego? wof? :confused:...

I don't go fishing for extra offenses unless the punter fails the attitude test.

Sorry that you feel that I'm wasting your tax dollar by being reasonable. I'll be a bastard next time.

Grrrrrr.

[dangerous]

I don't go fishing for extra offenses unless the punter fails the attitude test.

Sorry that you feel that I'm wasting your tax dollar by being reasonable. I'll be a bastard next time.

Grrrrrr.hehehe... hey Im winding AJ up, no dig at you R, I well expected the reasoning behind it. I like seeing AJ sweat LOL for all I know he had the plate of his other Buell on it... ohh wait that be wrong to wouldent it?

Reminds me while back on another Guzzi I was pulled on Johns rd, copper points to the lettering and eagle on the tank and says "is that what this bike is" should said NA man thats just a drawing my 2yr old did on my fancy iti tank... "its a Honda mate"

[Mully Clown]

On the topic of SH75. How accurate is the Your Speed sign in Tai Tapu? Would be somewhat frustrating to get a ticket if riding to what the sign tells me my speedometer is out by.

[rastuscat]

On the topic of SH75. How accurate is the Your Speed sign in Tai Tapu? Would be somewhat frustrating to get a ticket if riding to what the sign tells me my speedometer is out by.

The sign belongs the council. Can't speak for the accuracy, other than to say that it matched my calibrated speedo at 50 last time through Tai Tap.

[Berries]

How accurate is the Your Speed sign in Tai Tapu?
I passed two of these signs further south a few hours apart and managed to get my digital speedo reading the same at them both. They came up with an 8km/h difference. Do not believe them, and whatever you do, do not rely on them. Even if they do get calibrated, because they are only advisory it will be a bit loose.

[oneofsix]

The sign belongs the council. Can't speak for the accuracy, other than to say that it matched my calibrated speedo at 50 last time through Tai Tap.


I passed two of these signs further south a few hours apart and managed to get my digital speedo reading the same at them both. They came up with an 8km/h difference. Do not believe them, and whatever you do, do not rely on them. Even if they do get calibrated, because they are only advisory it will be a bit loose.

I pass two of these things daily up here. Often get different readings off them for the same reading on the digital speedo. Often too many other factors, like the car going the other way, how close is that car behind you? Is it reading you or one of the other vehicles? When the reading changes was it triggering you before or after. But even when you do get the road to yourself they never seem consistent.
As Berries says, treat them as advisories. Thanks to rastuscat you can know they will give you a rough idea of the inaccuracy of your speedo but as speedo accuracy changes due to weather, tyre wear etc this is still advisory only.

[rastuscat]

I wasn't working at the weekend. I'm working this weekend, as already stated.

A highway patrol sergeant was on SH75 on Saturday though, and he advises that he stopped 12 bikes.

4 had no warrant of fitness.

4 had no current vehicle licence i.e. registration.

4 riders had no motorcycle licence.

1 rider was disqualified.

And we wonder why cops stop motorcyclists.

I haven't heard if any of the individual stops were multi offences, i.e. 1 bike/rider with no reg, wof, licence etc. Maybe. just haven't heard.

[Lelitu]

well, if those offences were just from the stopped bikes
then at least 1 was a multiple offence
since there are 13 offences adn 12 bikes.

[oneofsix]

out of 12 bikes stopped 4 riders got tickets. :woohoo: Only a third of motorcyclist break the law OR two thirds are good law abiding riders.

Aint stats wonderful.

:corn:

[dangerous]

I wasn't working at the weekend. I'm working this weekend, as already stated.

A highway patrol sergeant was on SH75 on Saturday though, and he advises that he stopped 12 bikes.

4 had no warrant of fitness.

4 had no current vehicle licence i.e. registration.

4 riders had no motorcycle licence.

1 rider was disqualified.

And we wonder why cops stop motorcyclists.

I haven't heard if any of the individual stops were multi offences, i.e. 1 bike/rider with no reg, wof, licence etc. Maybe. just haven't heard.I would have to expect the 4 non wof's are also the 4 no rego's I'd be amazed if the same 4 had no licence's... I wonder why they were singled out and pulled? bikes proberly look like shit and they be wearing scruffy tooth past tubes, or hairy loud europeans/yanks.

Thing is some always ride with no wof/reg and some like myself whom was out yesterday less wof/reg were so as I went and spent $600 on new rubber rings, now to get wof all so as I can have rego.
Yesterdays weather was mint and Id say a few could'nt resist the erge to ride be it with no reg/wof, do the crime do the time no issues here life is a gamble reguardless, what I'm saying is its not deliberate law braking cos you can, shit at what we pay for rego we cant all afford to be so, all year round. I think with what we do pay we have spent enough over the summer months to sneak out for a spin like yesterday.
I also have several bikes/cages currently reg/wof so it aint like I'm not paying my dues for a sunny arvo scoot to the bike shop.
Wrong all the same yes, myself bigger things to worry about.

[rastuscat]

Okay, so assuming that it was 4 riders who had no licence, no wof and no reg, it was 4/12 (33%) who were offending.

That's what makes it worth stopping motorcyclists just for a check.

Imagine the outrage.

[dangerous]

Okay, so assuming that it was 4 riders who had no licence, no wof and no reg, it was 4/12 (33%) who were offending.

That's what makes it worth stopping motorcyclists just for a check.

Imagine the outrage.ohh yeah its not good odds... and looks bad for all riders, just like the few that cause the complaints from locals on that road.

[oneofsix]

Okay, so assuming that it was 4 riders who had no licence, no wof and no reg, it was 4/12 (33%) who were offending.

That's what makes it worth stopping motorcyclists just for a check.

Imagine the outrage.

yeah and fair enough too. You are stopping the vast majority of riders for no good reason! :innocent:
How many of those without WOFs were in a dangerous condition? Actually that boarders on a serious question with the current govt. WOF review. It would be nice to know and also how stopped with WOFs were 'unsafe'.
As for tax collection, not really a safety issue even if it is a legal issue.
No license ... guess the disqualified one may have been pinged by your rego camera or a rego check if they were riding a bike they were the registered owner for. The point of a license is that someone has said they have tested you and think that you can operate the vehicle in a safe manner in accordance with the countries road rules, if they are doing this without a license is there a real harm? Otherwise it is clean up the mess at the hospital or funeral, can see why you would want to avoid that. With a car or truck an unskilled driver can hurt others and walk away, with a bike they are going to hurt themselves, they might also hurt a pedestrian.

[imdying]

A highway patrol sergeant was on SH75 on Saturday though, and he advises that he stopped 12 bikes.What were they doing wrong that he had cause to stop them?

[orsem]

There were plenty of cops on the road over the weekend. Got the hairy eye ball from one uniform car but apart from that no major hassles on the bike yesterday:woohoo:. Had a bit of a giggle at a bike cop trying to pull over an ignorant cage who obviously didn't realise that cops on bike exist. Took him forever to get the car to pull over

[neels]

I have no problem being stopped for a check and if things are all legal the extra couple of minutes on the trip is no drama, if I've decided to take my chances and get pinged so be it, I always at least have the bike roadworthy to the best of my knowledge and wof'd.

I even tried to pay the rego before I took the bike out in the weekend, but there be something weird in the online system with it being on hold, wouldn't let me do 3 months and trying to pay for 4 months gave me an expiry date in september which seems to be from when it last expired. :facepalm:

Couldn't get to a shop to sort it out, and buggered if I'm paying for the 3 months it's been on hold for, so just had to go riding and hope for the best.

[orsem]

I too try to keep rego and WOF up to date where possible. I have found I get pulled over less when riding the bike than I do when driving the car. Have yet to be pulled over in chch, mainly struck it in ashburton, temuka, timaru and waimate

[GrayWolf]

Reality is otherwise; I spent years in Sydeney riding on motorways where there was that speed differential and it worked fine.

However, it would help if the po-po bothered to enforce the keep left rule. Which would actually align with the whole 'safer journeys' strategy, with a lot less aggro and traffic chaos all round.


It will never happen here because 99% of all Kiwi drivers are self appointed motoring gods. I include every donut muncher as well.


Alot of that actually comes from ignorance, they don't know what they're doing wrong & NZTA refuse to run safety or educational ads teaching them as they have a scam to push.
Most believe they're good drivers cause they don't know their speedos out by 5-20%, they don't know they have to keep left unless overtaking, they are unaware it's illegal to hold up traffic (and some of that again comes back to speedo error some believe they're doing the speed limit), they are ignorant of others reliance on correct indication (including pedestrians) & they have no concept of how slow driving severely adversely affects the road it screws everyone up.

Don't get me wrong tho alot are just fucking useless drivers too (fault of "have money here's licence" licensing system) but there's ALOT of ignorance out there on NZ roads & the great NZ scam just makes it worse.

I spent years riding on English and European motorways, with no speed differential. The drivers there 'sort it' themselves, so to speak. if you really wanted to improve the driving standard here (and its surprising how many people realise the poor standard on NZ driving once they've driven for a few months abroad (europe/aus), one of the most poorly observed and abused rules i see on the Hutt Motorway is the 'merge like a zip rule'. Drivers simply come into your lane with total disregard of your/their speed, road position and amount of space. Aclassic place is the lead in at the Ngauranga junction, going North towards the Hutt. i have lost count of the times I see and experience a vehicle thundering down the merging lane at 100 (+) kph, reach the narrowing at the end of the merging section and FORCE their way in front of you, rather than 'give way' or merge in behind you.
The other obvious 'classic manouver' is to simply cut in front when overtaking, or when the road 'narrows' into 1 lane to force their way in, the ruling IS, to merge you should be in front, so your indicator can be clearly seen, and indicate for 3 secnds? Well in that case I'd say the merging lane on the Petone Esplanade (hutt motorway end) should be piled high with vehicles that have smashed into the kerb while giving their extra 2.5 seconds of indicating..
Lets not even get started on the sheer NZ driver arrogance of sitting in the overtaking lane at 95 or 100kph and refuse to move over to the left for 'faster' traffic. Anyone who has driven in Europe will tell you, this behaviour would simply not be tolerated,

[rastuscat]

yeah and fair enough too. You are stopping the vast majority of riders for no good reason! :innocent:

Nope. They were stopped to see if they were illegal. Pursuant to the Land Transport Act.

Eat me. And donuts.

[oneofsix]

I have no problem being stopped for a check and if things are all legal the extra couple of minutes on the trip is no drama, if I've decided to take my chances and get pinged so be it, I always at least have the bike roadworthy to the best of my knowledge and wof'd.

I even tried to pay the rego before I took the bike out in the weekend, but there be something weird in the online system with it being on hold, wouldn't let me do 3 months and trying to pay for 4 months gave me an expiry date in september which seems to be from when it last expired. :facepalm:

Couldn't get to a shop to sort it out, and buggered if I'm paying for the 3 months it's been on hold for, so just had to go riding and hope for the best.

:Oops: actually heard about that on the radio. NZTA had their site down for maintenance. Thought at the time that it would have been nice if they had advised people before hand.

[oneofsix]

Nope. They were stopped to see if they were illegal. Pursuant to the Land Transport Act.

Eat me. And donuts.

I'll eat your donuts, no probs there but as for eating you, I don't ride HD or Honda :shutup: so would have to kill you and boil you up with some watercress first :nono:

Stopping riders for no good reason and at a weekend when the NZTA site was down so they couldn't re-rego on line. That is just unfair. :corn:

[rastuscat]

Stopping riders for no good reason and at a weekend when the NZTA site was down so they couldn't re-rego on line. That is just unfair. :corn:

Thats wot I wuz saying. They werent stopped for no reason. They were stopped as the odds of there being an offence was 1 in 3.

If it were possible to check licence status without stopping the rider, we'd do it. But how can we check licence status without first identifying the rider? It's a bugger for the 2 in 3 that are 100% kosher, but they should blame the 1 in 3 for their inconvenience.

How long do you think we'd keep stopping motorcyclists if every one was legal?

Unfair? Who ever said life would be fair.

[dangerous]

It's a bugger for the 2 in 3 that are 100% kosher, but they should blame the 1 in 3 for their inconvenience.hell yeah, bloody inconsiderate pack a non complient tooth past tube wearing straight liners... :shifty:

[imdying]

Nope. They were stopped to see if they were illegal. Pursuant to the Land Transport Act.

Eat me. And donuts.That attitude is some of the reason why people don't help police officers who're getting assaulted. Even in biblical times tax collectors were considered lowest of the low. Consider that when you're at the next funeral for an officer where the byline reads "Nobody tried to stop the offender from stomping the skull of the officer".

Yes, I realise you'll have plenty of good reasons why you're now dropping motorcyclists into the same bucket as drink drivers. Those reasons will be cold comfort when you throw the roses onto the coffin, I'm sure.

[willytheekid]

This is a perfect example of why Rastuscat and his crew randomly stop people (car or bike)
http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/7556505/Driver-charged-over-dangerous-car
...ya just never know what state the car/bike or driver is in.
This turd above wasn't just risking his OWN life in that shit box, but his partner, a 5yr old a 3yr old and a 6month old baby!...and every other motorist on the road!

So the next time ya get stopped...smile, say gidday and be bloody thankful that your brief & friendly chat/check-up ensures that peices of crap like the above are removed from the road!

Ride Safe KBers :love:

(And keep up the great work Mr Rastuscat :niceone:)

[neels]

:Oops: actually heard about that on the radio. NZTA had their site down for maintenance. Thought at the time that it would have been nice if they had advised people before hand.
In that case it's still down, just tried again with same result. Last rego expired in may, on hold until december, when I try to put 4 months on it comes up with new expiry date in september.

Off to join the queue of old people at the post shop to sort it out I guess, and even then I can't pay with my credit card.

[imdying]

This is a perfect example of why Rastuscat and his crew randomly stop people (car or bike)I don't think most will have a problem with drink drive checkpoints and random stops, but dedicated targeting of a particular group based on nothing more than tax compliance is not the way to make people excited about the police.

[rastuscat]

I don't think most will have a problem with drink drive checkpoints and random stops, but dedicated targeting of a particular group based on nothing more than tax compliance is not the way to make people excited about the police.

Funny that.

The HP sgt was doing random stops. We don't, we stop folk who do stuff wrong. I guess you'll be pleased about that, love me long time, and carry donut vouchers just in case.

There are enough motorists, cages and bikers, breaking the rules, we don't normally do random stops.

[imdying]

I'm pleased about anything that maintains the integrity of the NZ Police force; without that they're fucked, and without them, we're fucked.

[Jantar]

....carry donut vouchers just in case.....

I may just happen to be in Christchurch for a couple of days next week.. So where is the best place to get these donut vouchers from?

[Ocean1]

Okay, so assuming that it was 4 riders who had no licence, no wof and no reg, it was 4/12 (33%) who were offending.

That's what makes it worth stopping motorcyclists just for a check.

Imagine the outrage.


Thats wot I wuz saying. They werent stopped for no reason. They were stopped as the odds of there being an offence was 1 in 3.

If it were possible to check licence status without stopping the rider, we'd do it. But how can we check licence status without first identifying the rider? It's a bugger for the 2 in 3 that are 100% kosher, but they should blame the 1 in 3 for their inconvenience.

How long do you think we'd keep stopping motorcyclists if every one was legal?

Unfair? Who ever said life would be fair.

At 33% non-compliance you've already lost the battle, dude.

Increased rates of compliance checks won't change that, and I rekon you'll see pretty much the same compliance rates wrt paying the fines.

Time to make life fair again, whatever the boss says; that's your job.

[scumdog]

What were they doing wrong that he had cause to stop them?

A cop needs a 'cause' to stop somebody on the road??:blink:

[scumdog]

That attitude is some of the reason why people don't help police officers who're getting assaulted. Even in biblical times tax collectors were considered lowest of the low. Consider that when you're at the next funeral for an officer where the byline reads "Nobody tried to stop the offender from stomping the skull of the officer".

Yes, I realise you'll have plenty of good reasons why you're now dropping motorcyclists into the same bucket as drink drivers. Those reasons will be cold comfort when you throw the roses onto the coffin, I'm sure.

Wah-wah-wah, groundhog day on KB...move along people, nothing to see here...:rolleyes:

And this thread was going SO well up until now...:shifty:

[rastuscat]

At 33% non-compliance you've already lost the battle, dude.

Nah. If we drop it to 25% that's a win.

Everyone we convince to comply with the basic rules is a win. If that means enforcement, so be it. If it's engagement, which is what I'm trying to do here, even better. Education is available, and has worked fro some.

Maybe you've read my posts about letting people off tickets if they play the game of legality. Surely it's not that much to ask.

[rastuscat]

Wah-wah-wah, groundhog day on KB...move along people, nothing to see here...:rolleyes:

And this thread was going SO well up until now...:shifty:

Seems you've finished your shift.

Yeah, it's gone downhill.

[dangerous]

Seems you've finished your shift.

Yeah, it's gone downhill.ohhh you pigs hang in there... SD your a cunt, but a GOOD cunt... ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I droped the C BOMB :facepalm:




I may just happen to be in Christchurch for a couple of days next week.. So where is the best place to get these donut vouchers from?call in old boy on ya way through (not in chch but out the back blocks)




A cop needs a 'cause' to stop somebody on the road??:blink:Im a ginger... that a 'cause'

[davereid]

I don't think most will have a problem with drink drive checkpoints and random stops, but dedicated targeting of a particular group based on nothing more than tax compliance is not the way to make people excited about the police.

Every Police state has always had an overwhelming reason in "the public good" to operate checkpoints etc.

There are some who think that any checkpoint for any reason is acceptable.

There are others who think that there should always be a reason to stop / question / search / seize.


For my money, we are currently the beneficiary of a generally benign govt, that by and large acts for our best interests. But we have given them the tools of tyranny, even though they are currently being used for good purpose.

No government has ever resisted the chance to increase its power however. History is absolutely devoid of government that does not either collapse, or turn on it own citizens.

All the early warning signs are there, but we are still building our ID, data centric control based infrastructure. Its not quite ready yet.

But I bet my grandkids will just be turned into monitored, identified, tracked, traced, searched and surveillanced taxpayers and consumers.

For their own good of course.

[Ocean1]

Nah. If we drop it to 25% that's a win.

Everyone we convince to comply with the basic rules is a win. If that means enforcement, so be it. If it's engagement, which is what I'm trying to do here, even better. Education is available, and has worked fro some.

Maybe you've read my posts about letting people off tickets if they play the game of legality. Surely it's not that much to ask.

Obviously it is, otherwise that level of what I can only call civil disobedience wouln't be there, would it?

And you're missing the point. When a third of a significant part of society don't agree with a rule to the point they'll cheerfully ignore it then it's far more likely that they're right than that you are. And there's a danger in such imbecilic regulatory pedantry, once you've undermined the rule of law that far in the name of what seems to most to be only gross political expediency then how much easier is it to ignore more rules?

Tell you what, give me the education and enforcement resources you have, give me a couple of months to deploy them and then let's have a wee debate about who the rules are there for, eh?

[rustic101]

A cop needs a 'cause' to stop somebody on the road??:blink:

I could be wrong but a smart cop would use the Land Transport Act. 'Just checking your licence sir, ma'am etc...' and btw did you know your bike is not displaying a current registration label... Have a nice day.'

Could be wrong but - Land Transport Act 1998, ss.114 and 115

:sweatdrop

[dangerous]

I don't think most will have a problem with drink drive checkpoints and random stops, but dedicated targeting of a particular group based on nothing more than tax compliance is not the way to make people excited about the police.OHHH fuck it... ya know what, "I don't think most will have a problem with boy racer checkpoints" yeah thats right, ok between me and you (and RC/SD) I dont have a problem with "dedicated targeting of a particular group based on..." what ever, but Id like to see the wimps we call inforcment stand up grow some balls and take on the boy racers... them up against bad bikers makes us (not saying im a bad biker) look like JC... yeah I know the police lack funding and man power, but fuck em if they want to target bikers cos we are 33% or some shit, PARTOOOOO E, hassle them poxy riden pimple faced cock suckers and sort out the milions of damage they do to the roads, it cant be that hard... come on NZ pigs, over a 100 boy wankers meet up McLeans Is rd last weekend, its a one way in one way out road... how hard is it to block off each end and screww there poxy faces to the wall... ohhh no easier to target a bunch a bikers...

[Drew]

Wah-wah-wah, groundhog day on KB...move along people, nothing to see here...:rolleyes:

And this thread was going SO well up until now...:shifty:


Nah. If we drop it to 25% that's a win.

Everyone we convince to comply with the basic rules is a win. If that means enforcement, so be it. If it's engagement, which is what I'm trying to do here, even better. Education is available, and has worked fro some.

Maybe you've read my posts about letting people off tickets if they play the game of legality. Surely it's not that much to ask.


Seems you've finished your shift.

Yeah, it's gone downhill.


Why is it, that you get to be completely unbending in your way of thought, and we don't?

I break the law every time I ride, on purpose with full knowledge of what I'm doing. There are reasons for and against, but no one from your side of the fence will ever let me explain my reasons for, with any hope of being taken seriously. Why should I listen to you? My way is cheaper.

[rastuscat]

Why is it, that you get to be completely unbending in your way of thought, and we don't?

I break the law every time I ride, on purpose with full knowledge of what I'm doing. There are reasons for and against, but no one from your side of the fence will ever let me explain my reasons for, with any hope of being taken seriously. Why should I listen to you? My way is cheaper.

Hey no pobs Drew.

Thing is, it's not just about you and me. I stayed in Akaroa last Friday night. It was my birthday, and me and Mrs Rastuscat had a romantic night away over there.

Sitting in a pub I had a chat to a bloke, who once he found out what I did, gave me a serve about how little we did about the fancily dressed motorcycle lunatics who flew up and down the main Akaroa Road each weekend.

You and me have views, but so do the few hundred (or thousand) people who live in Banks Peninsula, who are sick of being spectators of the Akaroa GP. See, we represent a lot more people than just the bikers on here, and act on their behalf at times. It's called public reassurance, and it's another thing we do.

Part of Operation Matiki is to make the locals feel like we are doing something abou the racetrack that SH75 is at weekends.

So go mad put there, but do so in the knowledge that we just might be at the exit of the next bend, waiting to hand you some demerit points. Revenue only gets collected from those who voluntarily donate it.

[Berries]

Not feeling too loving just now. The shitty post above about me being murdered while doing my job is enough to Dampen the tone.
That's a bit melodramatic, I don't think post 357 said that, if that is the one you are referring to.

I'd cut back on the donuts. The sugar is bad for you.

[dangerous]

Part of Operation Matiki is to make the locals feel like we are doing something abou the racetrack that SH75 is at weekends.ohhhhhhhhhhh, its got a operation name :sweatdrop hey so I dont usually follow these kinda threads and droped in here over half way through so it may have been said allready... does your boss's know you are here and doing your best to warn riders that shits going down on 75? either they would be pissed at you if they found out or if they back your advertising then we should all thank the cops for the heads up?

[rastuscat]

That's a bit melodramatic, I don't think post 357 said that, if that is the one you are referring to.

I'd cut back on the donuts. The sugar is bad for you.

Yeah, my bad. Edited it, have a look. Mea culpa.

[oneofsix]

Not feeling too loving just now. The shitty post above about me being murdered while doing my job is enough to Dampen the tone.

As long as that wasn't my joke about the boil up :sick: Like I said I would prefer the donuts than a rubbery old cop :lol:

BTW you didn't answer the question about the WOFs so I am going to assume that was just a taxation offence as well, given the stats didn't show any booking for unsafe bikes and there were none for bikes with current WOF but unsafe. Thanks for the answer in absentia. :yes:

So my reading of the stats are 8 tickets for not paying taxes through various agencies.

Four for no license, now that's an interesting one because after the initial testing phase the license is nothing but a tax you pay every ten years now and is the initial test that relevant? and none of the offences were for riding offences which implies they were riding as if they had a license (don't mean much sometimes). As one was disqualified then at least one of the four had qualified for a license and then refer brackets. Too deep, leave that for another thread.

Actually no really probs with weekend checks but hate random stops on the commute, I ride just ahead of the rush so a random stop would delay me just enough to be just in the crap traffic. :angry2:

Keep up the good work. :love:

:lol:

[Oakie]

Why is it, that you get to be completely unbending in your way of thought, and we don't?

I break the law every time I ride, on purpose with full knowledge of what I'm doing. There are reasons for and against, but no one from your side of the fence will ever let me explain my reasons for, with any hope of being taken seriously. Why should I listen to you? My way is cheaper.

That's remarkably close to what Stuart Murray Wilson ('The Beast of Blenheim') says about his penchant for bestiality. Don't suppose you've got any goats at home?

[imdying]

Part of Operation Matiki is to make the locals feel like we are doing something abou the racetrack that SH75 is at weekends.You are wasting your time. You are wasting tax payer money. You are wasting the money put into training you. (where you is whoever is directing you to do this)

If they're constantly going to allow 250km/hr cars and 300km/hr motorcycles into the country, that have but two purposes... racing and breaking the open road speed limit... then things will never change. Ever. Never going to happen. You already know that all you're going to do is shift the problem to another road, if you even manage to succeed at that.

Good luck fighting the human condition, you're going to need it.

[Katman]

If they're constantly going to allow 250km/hr cars and 300km/hr motorcycles into the country, that have but two purposes... racing and breaking the open road speed limit... then things will never change.

Be careful what you wish for.

[rastuscat]

You are wasting your time. You are wasting tax payer money. You are wasting the money put into training you.

Gosh, sorry dude.

BTW, stopped a bloke this morning for not wearing a seatbelt, ticket issued. While I was writing up my notes, I saw a bloke on a TL1000 coming down the road wearing no gloves. Sweatshirt, jeans, work boots. A small voice in my head told me (quite loudly actually) to have a look so I flagged him in. The conversation went like this.

I said "Hi, I've stopped you because you aren't wearing gloves, and we find quite often that people who ride bikes with no gloves quite often don't have bike licences. Can I see your licence please"

He said "I don't have one".

Enquiries showed that he was disqualified. I got to ride the bike onto the back of the tow truck. It had no reg or warrant, but was really tidy. No tickets issued for the reg and warrant, sorry to have wasted evven more of your tax dollar.

C'est la vie.

[oneofsix]

Gosh, sorry dude.

BTW, stopped a bloke this morning for not wearing a seatbelt, ticket issued. While I was writing up my notes, I saw a bloke on a TL1000 comning down the road wearing no gloves. A small voice in my head told me to have a look so I flagged him in. The conversation went like this.

I said "Hi, I've stopped you because you aren't wearing gloves, and we find quite often that people who ride bikes with no gloves quite often don't have bike licences. Can I see your licence please"

He said "I don't have one".

Enquiries showed that he was disqualified. I got to ride the bike onto the back of the tow truck. It had no reg or warrant, but was really tidy. No tickets issued for the reg and warrant, sorry to have wasted evven more of your tax dollar.

C'est la vie.

:niceone: a targeted stop using good detective skills there. Real police work not just a tax collector.
Give that man some donuts.

[rastuscat]

Thinking of setting up a Facebook page so I can tell everyone what sort of muffin I had for morning tea.

[oneofsix]

Thinking of setting up a Facebook page so I can tell everyone what sort of muffin I had for morning tea.

Thought that was what twitter was for but what would I know, not into either of those bragging services.

[dangerous]

Enquiries showed that he was disqualified. I got to ride the bike onto the back of the tow truck. It had no reg or warrant, but was really tidy. No tickets issued for the reg and warrant, sorry to have wasted even more of your tax dollar.Ya know what... I would have nailed his arse for the no rego, why due to the lack of gear he was wearing had he arsed up and required medical treatment with NO REGO means he aint paying his ACC levie, no those of us dresed corect and paying acc have to pay for that prick, that fucks me off.

[Drew]

That's remarkably close to what Stuart Murray Wilson ('The Beast of Blenheim') says about his penchant for bestiality. Don't suppose you've got any goats at home?
I don't like the parallel you draw, it implies things to my subconscious that start sparking the anger response for no real reason.

Ya know what... I would have nailed his arse for the no rego, why due to the lack of gear he was wearing had he arsed up and required medical treatment with NO REGO means he aint paying his ACC levie, no those of us dresed corect and paying acc have to pay for that prick, that fucks me off.bark bark...oh fuck, that's the wrong tree.

If this guy works, acc is paid on his behalf. More than he will use in his lifetime obviously, since acc continues to make a profit.

[GrayWolf]

Nope. They were stopped to see if they were illegal. Pursuant to the Land Transport Act.

Eat me. And donuts.

Rastus,
in one way i would love to 'get into' this thread, but reality is, there is an element of immature attitude, that I can guess is what makes your job seem 'worthless' at times.. it's a real shame some of the 'anti' brigade could not be made to walk in your riding boots for a week or two.
it's a bloody shame that there cant be a database of how the attitude would change on the day they 'need' the same anti social, nazi C***s they cry about in here.

For my part and I would hope many 'silent' others on here... the inconvenience of being stopped against the stopping of a dangerous vehicle, or an illegal driver?? No problem. When its the anti brigade who get hurt, or a friend is hurt or killed would be the first to 'cry' the popo didnt do enough to prevent it......... GROW UP FFS!!!

Donuts, with sprinkles!
GW

[dangerous]

If this guy works, acc is paid on his behalf. More than he will use in his lifetime obviously, since acc continues to make a profit.then why do we pay so farking much in our rego's? hey I rode last weekend less rego and wof but I wore all the right gears and only hit 220 once... my point is (if I have one) they reckon acc levie is based on the money spent on bikers per year, how much could have been saved if the right gear is worn? ever wonder why you hit the track with all gears but when stunting ya dont?

[Katman]

how much could have been saved if the right gear is worn?

How much could be saved if riders didn't exceed the speed limit by over twice the amount?

[dangerous]

How much could be saved if riders didn't exceed the speed limit by over twice the amount?sfa acc dont pay for funerals... I ride a Guzzi do you really think it can do that sort of speed:mellow:

[Katman]

sfa acc dont pay for funerals... I ride a Guzzi do you really think it can do that sort of speed:mellow:

Dunno - you're telling the story.

[duckonin]

Who gives a shit how fast your bike can go. Ride to the conditions and 100kph is the speed limit on most roads.:yes: And Drew before you give me stick here is one for you:motu:

[dangerous]

HEY.. I wana go, DREW :motu:

[dangerous]

that was fun hey drew, double wammie :motu::motu:

[Kickaha]

sfa acc dont pay for funerals...
http://www.acc.co.nz/making-a-claim/what-support-can-i-get/ECI0039
Funeral Grant
We can help pay for funeral costs - up to a maximum amount which is reviewed each year. Consult your case manager for the current amount. By funeral costs we mean burial or cremation and related ceremonies, including specific religious or cultural requirements. The maximum ACC funeral grant is currently $5788.92.

I ride a Guzzi do you really think it can do that sort of speed:mellow:
Let's toss it out of a plane and see

[dangerous]

Kickaha and drew sitting in a tree k i s s i n g... :motu::motu::motu:

[merv]

Actually if you guys down sarf looked on the bright side you'd see you have a pretty reasonable popo in r-cat, wish I'd always spoken to one like him in the norf.

[dangerous]

Actually if you guys down sarf looked on the bright side you'd see you have a pretty reasonable popo in r-cat, wish I'd always spoken to one like him in the norf.
yeah I know, same as Felix and scumdog, Im taking the piss cos... just cos :blink:



well ok, lifes to short to get ya nickers in a not over gloves or no gloves, 100k or 200k reg or no reg... thing is Rustus is doing a good thing like it or lump it, just ride FFS

[scumdog]

Wah-wah-wah, groundhog day on KB...move along people, nothing to see here...:rolleyes:

And this thread was going SO well up until now...:shifty:

For the above comments I got this:'Typical attitude, and that'll be what fucks you' - oh along with a little red square of course

Frikkin near pissed myself!:lol::rofl::killingme

[ajturbo]

Dangerous is full of shit..
his bike couldn't get up to 220..:chase: so he is only having you guys on..

i was on that ride on sunday too... so i know, :innocent:

[dangerous]

Dangerous is full of shit..
his bike couldn't get up to 220..:chase: so he is only having you guys on..

i was on that ride on sunday too... so i know, :innocent:
yeah I know... AT THE BACK HAHAHAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa



For the above comments I got this:'Typical attitude, and that'll be what fucks you' - oh along with a little red square of course

Frikkin near pissed myself!:lol::rofl::killingmeyou deserve it piggie :woohoo:

[Drew]

Who gives a shit how fast your bike can go. Ride to the conditions and 100kph is the speed limit on most roads.:yes: And Drew before you give me stick here is one for you:motu:That's a bit odd. Even pre-emptively, I have not a single clue as to why you'd single me out with your, ahem...Stick.


HEY.. I wana go, DREW :motu:


that was fun hey drew, double wammie :motu::motu:

Ya cut me deep, ya cut me real deep just now.

[rastuscat]

Actually if you guys down sarf looked on the bright side you'd see you have a pretty reasonable popo in r-cat, .

Oi!!!, sod off!!!

Don't you accuse me of being reasonable.

:angry2:

[dangerous]

hey... how ya get on this weekend RC beter odds than last I hope?
Went looking for ya yesterday but alas... no luck :sweatdrop

[ellipsis]

...well, while everybody was looking out for a well over the limit, silver mountainbike on the rail trail with a serious ginga on it...he actually took to the highway with his unregistered truck and set off hotfoot to Ruapuna to catch up with business...thanks all...

[Kickaha]

...well, while everybody was looking out for a well over the limit, silver mountainbike on the rail trail with a serious ginga on it...he actually took to the highway with his unregistered truck and set off hotfoot to Ruapuna to catch up with business...thanks all...

Yeah I did see him there, maybe I should have #555 him

[Subike]

he started another thread re this weekends revenue gathering D

[dangerous]

he started another thread re this weekends revenue gathering Dlazy shit... gizz the link LOL

[Subike]

Thread: Operation Mataki - SH75 to Akaroa

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/152600-Operation-Mataki-SH75-to-Akaroa?highlight=operation+mataki

[Drew]

lazy shit... gizz the link LOL


Thread: Operation Mataki - SH75 to Akaroa

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/152600-Operation-Mataki-SH75-to-Akaroa?highlight=operation+mataki
Try and be creative with your giving of shit.