Another motorcyclist dies hitting the wire median barrier

[5150]

M/cyclist dies north of Huntly after hitting wire median strip

RIP to the rider. :(

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/7314309/Motorcyclist-dies-in-SH1-crash

[Paul in NZ]

Damn - chilling reading and picture...

[Phantom Limb]

There are no real corners down there, so how the hell did he manage that?

[5150]

There are no real corners down there, so how the hell did he manage that?

Another article on stuff website said that another car was involved. If it is on the 4 lane expressway that the accident happened maybe the car pulled out infront of him to pass another car and subsequently he crashed trying to avoid it. just my theory. Looking at the picture there is not much damage to the bike so i don't think there was a collision/contact with another vehicle. But then I am no expert so it is just my observation.

[tigertim20]

fuck - not a good way to start the weekend.

[oneofsix]

The picture saw when following the link shows what looks like a relatively undamaged bike with a flat front tyre and what appears to be a single lane road. The bike could be relatively undamaged due to missing panniers that could be the stuff just appearing at the bottom of the photo. Hope it is not a case of the WRB turning a minor crash into a tragedy.

Thoughts with his family and friends etc.

[merv]

Flat front tyre before or after hitting the barrier I wonder?

[SMOKEU]

The bike does appear to be in a very good nick considering the outcome.

[5150]

The picture saw when following the link shows what looks like a relatively undamaged bike with a flat front tyre and what appears to be a single lane road. The bike could be relatively undamaged due to missing panniers that could be the stuff just appearing at the bottom of the photo. Hope it is not a case of the WRB turning a minor crash into a tragedy.

Thoughts with his family and friends etc.

It is actually South bound 2 lanes of a 4 lane expressway between Huntly and Rangiriri

[oneofsix]

It is actually South bound 2 lanes of a 4 lane expressway between Huntly and Rangiriri

Thanks, and they say pictures don't lie - yeah right.

[rastuscat]

The bike appears to be of a type used for touring.

Brilliant journalism that. The bike is also the type that is used to cross the Gobi desert, but it wasn't doing that at the time either.

Journos just write stuff to pad their stories out.

[sels1]

Flat front tyre before or after hitting the barrier I wonder?

And the rider was in his seventies... its possible it was natural causes. But we shouldnt speculate really.

Condolences to family and friends.

[Quasievil]

Sadly I was there this morning as I was heading to Auckland, and no not a nice site for anyone.
I didnt see the crash itself but it appears to me that someone possibly merged into his lane from pulling out of the Rangiriri tavern side road.
Thats speculation, but on my return to Hamilton a short time ago and looking at the road markings from the police it would seem to reinforce my opinion, but who knows for sure.

I arrived on the scene before the Ambulance etc did, a few people where already assisting, and one was giving him chest pumps to get his heart going, it was all to late.

Very Sad.

[5150]

Sadly I was there this morning as I was heading to Auckland, and no not a nice site for anyone.
I didnt see the crash itself but it appears to me that someone possibly merged into his lane from pulling out of the Rangiriri tavern side road.




My theory exactly, lets wait and see what the SCU comes up with tho

[Paul in NZ]

I arrived on the scene before the Ambulance etc did, a few people where already assisting, and one was giving him chest pumps to get his heart going, it was all to late.

Very Sad.

God bless first responders official or otherwise. I hope that this isnt going to cause them too many sleepless 'what if' nights. Bretts right - its not a pretty thing to see but good on them for trying - they deserve medals...

[Grubber]

Sadly I was there this morning as I was heading to Auckland, and no not a nice site for anyone.
I didnt see the crash itself but it appears to me that someone possibly merged into his lane from pulling out of the Rangiriri tavern side road.
Thats speculation, but on my return to Hamilton a short time ago and looking at the road markings from the police it would seem to reinforce my opinion, but who knows for sure.

I arrived on the scene before the Ambulance etc did, a few people where already assisting, and one was giving him chest pumps to get his heart going, it was all to late.

Very Sad.


My theory exactly, lets wait and see what the SCU comes up with tho

Heard today that police were looking for witnesses and that there was no other vehicles involved. Still don't help the rider of coarse.

Condolences to his family.

[Kickaha]

M/cyclist dies north of Huntly after hitting wire median strip

Where does it say he hit the wire barrier?

[Katman]

Where does it say he hit the wire barrier?

Since when has accuracy of detail been of any interest to your average Kiwibiker?

[Gone Burger]

Thoughts are with the riders family and friends as always

[oldrider]

And the rider was in his seventies... its possible it was natural causes. But we shouldnt speculate really.

Condolences to family and friends.

What do you mean! ... Wash your mouth out! R.I.P. young rider.

[5150]

Where does it say he hit the wire barrier?

In the original 9am article on Stuff/Waikato Times it said he died after coliding with the median wire barier, since then and since my OP the article has changed several times including the photo which showed the bike originally on it's side

[skippa1]

Latest news in Waikato Times

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/7320533/Last-ride-for-Silk-Rider

[Crasherfromwayback]

Latest news in Waikato Times

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/7320533/Last-ride-for-Silk-Rider

One of Gareth Morgans crew.

[merv]

Oh no, I've known Brian for over 20 years. He was a top bloke. RIP Brian.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh no, I've known Brian for over 20 years. He was a top bloke. RIP Brian.

Sounds like he lived a very full life.

[merv]

Sounds like he lived a very full life.

Yes and he spent his money on the things he enjoyed. I first met him when we did a 4 week management course together back in 1991. We weren't so close that I saw him often but we'd invariably run into each other, usually at Auckland airport, and we'd stop for a yarn.

[Quasievil]

I just read the article on Stuff, sounds like an amazing life was lived by this man.
perhaps he died while riding?
who knows

[willytheekid]

R.I.P Brian (Ride In Paradise)

..never nice to read, sounded like such a great guy

Thoughts go out to his friends and family...and many thanks to the people who stopped to help

Ride Safe Kbers

[Tigadee]

The bike appears to be of a type used for touring.
Brilliant journalism that. The bike is also the type that is used to cross the Gobi desert, but it wasn't doing that at the time either.
Journos just write stuff to pad their stories out.

Guess all they saw were the pannier supports and they assumed it was a tourer... NZ journos are lazy, poorly-trained morons. :facepalm:

That's chilling, that accident is. My thoughts are with the family. :(

"There was only minor contact with the wire barrier"?!
Like a paper cut with a chain saw is minor contact? :facepalm:

[MrKiwi]

One of Gareth Morgans crew.

When I saw the photo of the bike last night I thought I recognised it and hoped it was not Bryan, sadly I am wrong. I only met him recently this year on the Brass Monkey run, he was a decent bloke and will be sadly missed. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends.

[Crasherfromwayback]

When I saw the photo of the bike last night I thought I recognised it and hoped it was not Bryan, sadly I am wrong. I only met him recently this year on the Brass Monkey run, he was a decent bloke and will be sadly missed. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends.

Horrible feeling that. In my years in the industry, I've seen way too many pics like that.

[FJRider]

Horrible feeling that. In my years in the industry, I've seen way too many pics like that.

The one hope I've always had. That a photo of MY bike ... never features in such a manner.

Seeing the pic's hurt ... but knowing the riders goes deeper.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The one hope I've always had. That a photo of MY bike ... never features in such a manner.

Seeing the pic's hurt ... but knowing the riders goes deeper.

Yeah it's ugly. It's a tough one too. Showing them may (we can only hope) make people think and try to avoid such things. But at the same time, it's really rough on those involved.

[GSF]

Goddammit. I just saw a small story in the paper today saying it was Bryan Wyness.
Very sad, he really was a top bloke. Used to come into my old workplace most days of the week, always cheerful and had time to chat to the young guy about bikes. He rode all over the place with Gareth Morgan's crew and he had a collection of old Ariel Square Fours.

Very shitty, he deserved better than that. Thoughts are with the family and friends.

[sidecar bob]

Several weeks ago a member of this site & absolutely top rider, chucked a big Honda down the road in the exact same spot without injury, due to sudden & unexpected loss of traction.
Both these guys can obviously control a bike, I expect there may be a problem with the road surface.

[PrincessBandit]

Just read the linked article about - last ride for Silk rider. That one stated "police are baffled...believe he was riding very slowly...only minor contact with the rope barrier..." But hey, this is still the media which is not exactly renowned for guaranteed correct reporting of facts.

My thoughts too are that death by natural causes must account for some percentage of traffic fatalities. Now while I'm not saying that this is the case here, it could be a possibility and naturally it will go down in the official stats as a motorbike death. As riders we know we are considerably more vulnerable to any deviation from the path of what we can reasonably expect (i.e. if we continue on the path we're riding with all due care, diligence and awareness we should arrive at our destination unharmed). Nevertheless how many times have we encountered problems with either our bike, nature (wasps, bird strike, sudden gust of wind that comes out of nowhere) or maybe even our own health which suddenly turns a great or uneventful ride into a precarious negotiation of vehicle handling and staying alive?

Speculation over cause is only that, and discussion is only helpful if it reminds us (a) to live life to the full as if every day could be our last and (b) encourage us to be ever vigilant and aware of our 'bubble and beyond' when we are on two wheels.

Although very sad, he at least seems to have lead an eventful, exciting and rich life before moving on.

[FJRider]

My thoughts too are that death by natural causes must account for some percentage of traffic fatalities. Now while I'm not saying that this is the case here, it could be a possibility and naturally it will go down in the official stats as a motorbike death.

Going by reports of vehicle accidents in the past, where drivers were affected by medical afflictions ... heart attack or other. And ... cause of death was of natural causes, the death was not included in the road toll.

[Ender EnZed]

Going by reports of vehicle accidents in the past, where drivers were affected by medical afflictions ... heart attack or other. And ... cause of death was of natural causes, the death was not included in the road toll.

It wouldn't always be possible to tell when a fatal crash was caused by a medical condition though.

[FJRider]

It wouldn't always be possible to tell when a fatal crash was caused by a medical condition though.

If in doubt what caused such a death (or to confirm the cause) an autopsy is automaticly done. Seldom is cause of death by natural causes not listed as such.

[Ender EnZed]

If in doubt what caused such a death (or to confirm the cause) an autopsy is automaticly done. Seldom is cause of death by natural causes not listed as such.

Yes, but an autoposy of a guy that's had a head on with a truck isn't going to show if he lost consciousness before crossing the centre line.

[BMWST?]

Yes, but an autoposy of a guy that's had a head on with a truck isn't going to show if he lost consciousness before crossing the centre line.

you would be surprised

[rustic101]

Going by reports of vehicle accidents in the past, where drivers were affected by medical afflictions ... heart attack or other. And ... cause of death was of natural causes, the death was not included in the road toll.

You are absolutely correct. The ultimate decision is made by the Coroner.

[Ender EnZed]

you would be surprised

Probably, but surely there'd be occasions when the mess emergency crews get left with just doesn't leave enough evidence to say what state the driver was in prior to the crash.

[Berries]

Probably, but surely there'd be occasions when the mess emergency crews get left with just doesn't leave enough evidence to say what state the driver was in prior to the crash.
It's true, but probably not the best thread to discuss it.

[Coldrider]

Yes, but an autoposy of a guy that's had a head on with a truck isn't going to show if he lost consciousness before crossing the centre line.presumably you are talking about a heart attack. When heart tissue is injured enzymes leak into the bloodstream.
i'm leaving it at that.

[SMOKEU]

Probably, but surely there'd be occasions when the mess emergency crews get left with just doesn't leave enough evidence to say what state the driver was in prior to the crash.

I've seen that happen many times in bike crashes.

[Hitcher]

It's true, but probably not the best thread to discuss it.

It's only this discussion that's going to keep it in GBR. Once it becomes an "RIP biker" thread, it's off to R&R.

[Coldrider]

I've seen that happen many times in bike crashes.How many bike crashes of this nature have you actually witnessed?, There's approx 45 biker fatalities all up of every description per annum.

[SMOKEU]

How many bike crashes of this nature have you actually witnessed?, There's approx 45 biker fatalities all up of every description per annum.

I've seen enough crash videos on BestGore and LiveLeak.

[caseye]

I've seen enough crash videos on BestGore and LiveLeak.

You are kidding! aye???????????????
A motorcyclist of great stature has died here and you tell us you've seen this sort of crash result many times before.
When called out, you actually meant you'd seen video footage of crashes.
Wow! you really are a piece of work.
Though I'd never met this rider I knew of his love of motorcycling and his journeys around the world,I'm saddened that a simple excursion has lead to his sudden and unexpected death.
The circumstances of his death are yet to be "actually" determined, until then, any and all conjecture about this accident should be restrained at least.

[SMOKEU]

You are kidding! aye???????????????
A motorcyclist of great stature has died here and you tell us you've seen this sort of crash result many times before.Such displays of complete disrespect of peoples lives and abilities grieves me terribly.
When called out, you actually meant you'd seen video footage of crashes.
Wow! you really are a piece of work.


I suggest you take your grievances to this thread here. (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/43864-Bike-crash-vids)

By the way, thanks for the compliments.

[BRAD BRASCO]

^ no soul..

[imdying]

I suggest you take your grievances to this thread here. (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/43864-Bike-crash-vids)

By the way, thanks for the compliments.
Read between the lines mate... you're allowed to rip on lesser motorcyclists when they die, just not the ones that some idiot who's never met them tells you they are of great stature :tugger:

(of course the irony is that you weren't, but lets not let that get in the way of his whining)

[Daffyd]

My first reaction on seeing the article and pic is, "Where did they say he died hitting the WRB?" and "Where is the damage to said WRB?"

IF I had to speculate, and I say, "IF", I would suspect he was dead before he hit the ground. I suspect he felt ill and slowed as much as possible in the time he had. Those that saw the footage of Denny Hulme's death at Bathurst will understand what I am saying.

[caseye]

Read between the lines mate... you're allowed to rip on lesser motorcyclists when they die, just not the ones that some idiot who's never met them tells you they are of great stature :tugger:

(of course the irony is that you weren't, but lets not let that get in the way of his whining)

Interesting take on this situation.
No if you knew this rider and you added your heartfelt condolences there couldn't possibly be a problem with that at all.
But to come into a thread started respectfully about someone who is known to many who ride and say what ol smoke did simply can't be let to slide by.
My intention was as the poster prior to me, to call smokeu's bluff about seeing so many horrific accidents and having any understanding of what it's like to be an attendee or the people who have to tell their next of kin whats happened.
That was all.
"tugger" who could deny that, whining? um no. knew the rider? not personally.
Rather a thread like this concentrated on the riders friends and family seeing us as people who care enough about their lost loved one and them, not to let a thread of this nature degenerate into a comparison of how nasty an accident scene can be, yes.
Smokeu I've repped you before, reds at all?
Time and place, is probably my main thought in saying what I did.

[Coldrider]

I've seen enough crash videos on BestGore and LiveLeak.So you haven't seen first hand any at all. Not even simple deaths yet alone nothing left to actually tell what they may have died of for CSI to make an episode of.