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Shaun P
28th July 2012, 14:53
Interesting overlap of times between the two classes, fastest pace of CRT about same as superbike

FIM MotoGP World Championship
Red Bull U.S. Grand Prix
Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca
Monterey, California
July 27, 2012
Free Practice One Results (all on Bridgestone tires):

1. Dani PEDROSA, Spain (HONDA), 1:21.424
2. Jorge LORENZO, Spain (YAMAHA), 1:21.498
3. Casey STONER, Australia (HONDA), 1:21.829
4. Ben SPIES, USA (YAMAHA), 1:21.939
5. Andrea DOVIZIOSO, Italy (YAMAHA), 1:22.609
6. Cal CRUTCHLOW, UK (YAMAHA), 1:22.672
7. Valentino ROSSI, Italy (DUCATI), 1:23.216
8. Stefan BRADL, Germany (HONDA), 1:23.249
9. Nicky HAYDEN, USA (DUCATI), 1:23.310
10. Alvaro BAUTISTA, Spain (HONDA), 1:23.537
11. Colin EDWARDS, USA (SUTER), 1:24.905
12. Aleix ESPARGARO, Spain (Aprilia-ART), 1:25.169
13. Karel ABRAHAM, Czech Republic (DUCATI), 1:25.215
14. Mattia PASINI, Italy (Aprilia-Speed Master/ART), 1:25.488
15. Toni ELIAS, Spain (DUCATI), 1:25.816
16. Yonny HERNANDEZ, Colombia (Kawasaki-BQR/FTR), 1:25.904
17. James ELLISON, UK (Aprilia-PBM/ART), 1:25.931
18. Danilo PETRUCCI, Italy (Aprilia-IODA), 1:26.125
19. Michele PIRRO, Italy (Honda-FTR), 1:26.421
20. Randy DE PUNIET, France (Aprilia-ART), 1:26.703
21. Ivan SILVA, Spain (Kawasaki-BQR/FTR), 1:27.102
22. Steve RAPP, USA (Kawasaki-APR), 1:29.814



Red Bull U.S. Grand Prix/AMA Pro Road Racing
AMA Pro National Guard SuperBike
Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca
Monterey, California
July 27, 2012
Provisional Free Practice One Results (all on Dunlop tires):

1. Josh Hayes (Yam YZF-R1), 1:24.991
2. Roger Hayden (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:25.262
3. Geoff May (EBR 1190RS), 1:25.540
4. Ben Bostrom (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:25.977
5. Chris Clark (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:26.020
6. Jake Holden (Hon CBR1000RR), 1:26.063
7. Josh Herrin (Yam YZF-R1), 1:26.070
8. Danny Eslick (EBR 1190RS), 1:26.354
9. Taylor Knapp (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:26.360
10. Blake Young (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:26.509
11. Larry Pegram (BMW S1000RR), 1:26.927
12. Steve Rapp (Kaw ZX-10R), 1:27.291
13. David Anthony (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:27.633
14. Chris Ulrich (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:27.880
15. Ricky Corey (Yam YZF-R1), 1:28.057
16. Glenn Allerton (BMW S1000RR), 1:28.073
17. Stefan Nebel (KTM RC8 R), 1:28.685
18. Reno Karimian (Kaw ZX-10R), 1:30.222
19. Jordan Burgess (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:30.753
20. Johnny Rock Page (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:30.839
21. Ivan Sala (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:30.848
22. Bostjan Skubic (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:31.398
23. Dale Kieffer (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:32.575
24. Tony Porter (Kaw ZX-10R), 1:34.134
25. Chris Fillmore (KTM RC8 R), 1:36.681
26. JC Gibbs (Yam YZF-R6), no time recorded
CHOPPA
28th July 2012, 20:19
I think its more to do with the tyres.... Steve Rapp is nearly 3 seconds faster on his AMA spec superbike
discodan
28th July 2012, 20:47
Thanks, that a good comparrison. I was wondering how the AMA times would compare when I was watching Free Practice.

I guess it shows proves that the CRTs haven't been overly impressive machines so far this year but also just how fast the top guys like Pedrosa really are.
Shaun P
28th July 2012, 21:47
I think its more to do with the tyres.... Steve Rapp is nearly 3 seconds faster on his AMA spec superbike
It will be interesting watching his progress over the weekend as too with Glen Allerton in AMA
Mental Trousers
28th July 2012, 22:20
Thanks, that a good comparrison. I was wondering how the AMA times would compare when I was watching Free Practice.

I guess it shows proves that the CRTs haven't been overly impressive machines so far this year but also just how fast the top guys like Pedrosa really are.

It shows that they haven't got the rules right yet. It was a first stab and now they know that there's a serious difference between the prototypes and CRT's in the electronics.

It'll evolve. I really do hope they find a way to even things up without using a spec ECU and rev limit though.
CHOPPA
28th July 2012, 22:37
I reckon they need to drop the control tyres
merv
28th July 2012, 23:34
From the comments Stoner has made the tyres are crap compared to last year - what's up with that?
BMWST?
29th July 2012, 00:23
From the comments Stoner has made the tyres are crap compared to last year - what's up with that?

they have made them to warm up faster
Shaun
29th July 2012, 01:40
From the comments Stoner has made the tyres are crap compared to last year - what's up with that?



Everything according to MOANER is crap compared too
gammaguy
29th July 2012, 01:51
Stoner is over it

He was around when it was the golden times,so its understandable.

Colin Edwards comments at the pre race press conference today said a lot too.
Mental Trousers
29th July 2012, 11:21
From the comments Stoner has made the tyres are crap compared to last year - what's up with that?


they have made them to warm up faster

It's Honda riders that are complaining, not just Stoner.

They don't like these tyres because they deform a lot more than last years. The problem with the old tyres was they were very rigid so they didn't squish down and move around a lot. That's great when you're on the edge of the tyre cos the bike feels more planted and solid. But those tyres were a bitch to warm up and it caused plenty of problems last year.

Now the tyres warm up quicker but they deform a lot, which is what has caused the chatter in the Honda's. Instead of the flex in frame and suspension doing the work the tyre is deforming more causing grip levels to change and making the bike chatter.

So Honda pretty much have to redesign their bike for the new tyre, whereas the other bikes have been able to cope without a redesign.
neil_cb125t
29th July 2012, 14:58
I think its more to do with the tyres.... Steve Rapp is nearly 3 seconds faster on his AMA spec superbike

HAha - after just returning from Laguna, you can see why - it such a tight stop/go crap of a track!
jasonu
29th July 2012, 17:46
I think its more to do with the tyres.... Steve Rapp is nearly 3 seconds faster on his AMA spec superbike

Steve Rapp has been riding his superbike all season but this is the first outing for the CRT bike.
CHOPPA
29th July 2012, 21:24
Steve Rapp has been riding his superbike all season but this is the first outing for the CRT bike.

On different tyres. Thats what takes more getting used to than anything else
Mental Trousers
29th July 2012, 21:28
Steve Rapp qualified just over 1 second outside the 107%. But he's been continually improving so I'd say Race Direction would be pedantic wankers to not let him start. Wouldn't be good publicity for MotoGP in the States either.
Cleve
30th July 2012, 20:49
Steve Rapp qualified just over 1 second outside the 107%. But he's been continually improving so I'd say Race Direction would be pedantic wankers to not let him start. Wouldn't be good publicity for MotoGP in the States either.

I guess they were pedantic wankers then...
Mental Trousers
30th July 2012, 21:26
I guess they were pedantic wankers then...

He had the chance to put in a time during the morning warm up but they reportedly had fuel pump problems with his bike and it didn't leave the shed. But I don't know if he chose to skip it and concentrate on the AMA race or he was excluded. Probably excluded because he didn't complete the final qualifying session.
jasonu
31st July 2012, 12:59
On different tyres. Thats what takes more getting used to than anything else

From what I saw on TV over the weekend the tires were one of his lesser concerns.