F3 er 650

[Shaun]

Man I love my job

Pictures to follow at a later date when completed

Er650 putting ou 86RWHP and 52 ft lb Tourque- Engine built in the UKby a friend and dyno runs done last week

ZX6R BPF Forks and custom tripples

Trik alloy swingarm

Pet tank and seat unit one piece body work with real 8 ltr tank down very low on bike

Tripples and footrest kit are made by a new bike related buisness here called TT1 PERFORMANCE HOUSE

We have footrest kits for 7 different model bikes now, all machined in house

Now considering Brembo callipers and master?

I am so lucky to have met people with passion and money that needed a partener/ manager

[Edbear]

Man I love my job

Pictures to follow at a later date when completed

Er650 putting ou 86RWHP and 52 ft lb Tourque- Engine built in the UKby a friend and dyno runs done last week

ZX6R BPF Forks and custom tripples

Trik alloy swingarm

Pet tank and seat unit one piece body work with real 8 ltr tank down very low on bike

Tripples and footrest kit are made by a new bike related buisness here called TT1 PERFORMANCE HOUSE

We have footrest kits for 7 different model bikes now, all machined in house

Now considering Brembo callipers and master?

I am so lucky to have met people with passion and money that needed a partener/ manager

Keen to see the pics! That's a good engine and I wonder why it hasn't found a lot more applications.

[Shaun]

Hey Ed, ya may even get to see it in the flesh, we are talking about bringing 2 of them and 2 ZX600 out for the NC Champs, 3 oz riders and one Kiwirider maybe?????

Or maybe one Kiwi in tri series, ( FOR FUN) and 3 oz riders in nz champs due to work load etc ( MY JOB)

Paid to manage a race team, 1994 was the last time I did that for a living

[roadracingoldfart]

Man I love my job

Pictures to follow at a later date when completed

Er650 putting ou 86RWHP and 52 ft lb Tourque- Engine built in the UKby a friend and dyno runs done last week

ZX6R BPF Forks and custom tripples

Trik alloy swingarm

Pet tank and seat unit one piece body work with real 8 ltr tank down very low on bike

Tripples and footrest kit are made by a new bike related buisness here called TT1 PERFORMANCE HOUSE

We have footrest kits for 7 different model bikes now, all machined in house

Now considering Brembo callipers and master?

I am so lucky to have met people with passion and money that needed a partener/ manager

Have ya seen Chappy's ZXR400r framed ER yet Shaun ? Its got the balls and the hairy chest as well , should be a goodie.

[Edbear]

Hey Ed, ya may even get to see it in the flesh, we are talking about bringing 2 of them and 2 ZX600 out for the NC Champs, 3 oz riders and one Kiwirider maybe?????

Or maybe one Kiwi in tri series, ( FOR FUN) and 3 oz riders in nz champs due to work load etc ( MY JOB)

Paid to manage a race team, 1994 was the last time I did that for a living

A job that can be hugely rewarding or a nightmare! It would be good to see you come home for a bit though. Be great to catch up!

[Drew]

Be great to catch up!Some shit just started making a lot more sense.

ER motors are bloody strong, I reckon better than the SV, but it doesn't feature here because the rest of the bike needs to go in the bin as far as I can see.

Swingarm and forks would be a start, but they are tall and porky as hell in that frame.

[Shaun]

Have ya seen Chappy's ZXR400r framed ER yet Shaun ? Its got the balls and the hairy chest as well , should be a goodie.




Yep and thought the paint sceme of the frame looked like shiot

[Shaun]

A job that can be hugely rewarding or a nightmare! It would be good to see you come home for a bit though. Be great to catch up!




Mine is HUGELY rewarding, the owner is very realistic

[Shaun]

Some shit just started making a lot more sense.

ER motors are bloody strong, I reckon better than the SV, but it doesn't feature here because the rest of the bike needs to go in the bin as far as I can see.

Swingarm and forks would be a start, but they are tall and porky as hell in that frame.



The SV motor can put out more tourqe than the ER mt,but ER pisses on it in Top end

Forks and swingarm already in the bin mate

[Sketchy_Racer]

The SV motor can put out more tourqe than the ER mt,but ER pisses on it in Top end

Forks and swingarm already in the bin mate

Hate to say it but if Wobbly turns up with his RZ400 F3 bike, nothing will see which way it went. It's sitting at over 90Hp and I believe he plans to get close to 100 from what I have read/been told. All that in a bike that will be 40KG lighter, F3 just got serious.

[Grumph]

Good to see you in gainful employment mate...

There's plenty more to come from that Kawasaki. But I'm starting to think there may be a cooling problem inherent with them.
Talking tonight to a mate just back from the IOM - coincidentally also in Adelaide - he tells me the ones on the island ran huge radiators.
Right to the bottom of the fairings apparenly..... the one I built I'm pretty sure after examining the remains, dropped an exhaust valve seat out cooling down on the dyno...Left hand end exhaust, right by the thermostat housing where the biggest amount of hot water sits.

Just be aware it can happen.

[roadracingoldfart]

Yep and thought the paint sceme of the frame looked like shiot

What the fuck is wrong with that colour ya little troll...???

[Shaun]

What the fuck is wrong with that colour ya little troll...???




I thought I had seen it in a yuk blue colour ya scum sucker

[Shaun]

Good to see you in gainful employment mate...

There's plenty more to come from that Kawasaki. But I'm starting to think there may be a cooling problem inherent with them.
Talking tonight to a mate just back from the IOM - coincidentally also in Adelaide - he tells me the ones on the island ran huge radiators.
Right to the bottom of the fairings apparenly..... the one I built I'm pretty sure after examining the remains, dropped an exhaust valve seat out cooling down on the dyno...Left hand end exhaust, right by the thermostat housing where the biggest amount of hot water sits.

Just be aware it can happen.



OIL cooler seriuosly reqd!!!!! Std rad is fine

[Shaun]

Hate to say it but if Wobbly turns up with his RZ400 F3 bike, nothing will see which way it went. It's sitting at over 90Hp and I believe he plans to get close to 100 from what I have read/been told. All that in a bike that will be 40KG lighter, F3 just got serious.




Bloody good on him and best of luck to him. The ER I am building is for my employer not for me personally

[gammaguy]

Hate to say it but if Wobbly turns up with his RZ400 F3 bike, nothing will see which way it went. It's sitting at over 90Hp and I believe he plans to get close to 100 from what I have read/been told. All that in a bike that will be 40KG lighter, F3 just got serious.

A few years back a certain Stan Stephens built up a RZ350 engined race bike.

It was so good,all the 4T wankers got together and banned it.

As far as I am concerned,that was the best praise they could give it.

Stan Stephens still laughs about it.:clap:

[neil_cb125t]

Haha yep my frame is blue - im putting a er in a ZXR frame......going with the norm aint really my thing;)

the motors pull the ponys - they are just a tad heavy.....

the rz400 sounds like a weapon......however to finish first............................................. ..

[Billy]

Hate to say it but if Wobbly turns up with his RZ400 F3 bike, nothing will see which way it went. It's sitting at over 90Hp and I believe he plans to get close to 100 from what I have read/been told. All that in a bike that will be 40KG lighter, F3 just got serious.

Yip,

97 rwhp at its first Dyno session,Engine temp would suggest it could drop another 2 sizes on the mainjet,100rwhp easy,Still why would you bother to risk it 97 is heaps,Not convinced it will be 40kg lighter,But it probably doesn't need to be either.Weve just finished designing and producing the bodywork and its being fitted as we speak,First test was to be this Wed but the pilot hurt himself,Watch this space,Long live the two stroke

[gammaguy]

Yip,

97 rwhp at its first Dyno session,Engine temp would suggest it could drop another 2 sizes on the mainjet,100rwhp easy,Still why would you bother to risk it 97 is heaps,Not convinced it will be 40kg lighter,But it probably doesn't need to be either.Weve just finished designing and producing the bodywork and its being fitted as we speak,First test was to be this Wed but the pilot hurt himself,Watch this space,Long live the two stroke

Im tempted to order one as a road bike....

[Billy]

Im tempted to order one as a road bike....

Haha yea same,

Funnily enough Wobbly does a roadbike version,In fact he has one sitting in his workshop right now.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yip,

97 rwhp at its first Dyno session,Engine temp would suggest it could drop another 2 sizes on the mainjet,100rwhp easy,Still why would you bother to risk it 97 is heaps,Not convinced it will be 40kg lighter,But it probably doesn't need to be either.Weve just finished designing and producing the bodywork and its being fitted as we speak,First test was to be this Wed but the pilot hurt himself,Watch this space,Long live the two stroke

Awesome! Pictures please!!??

[crazy man]

Hate to say it but if Wobbly turns up with his RZ400 F3 bike, nothing will see which way it went. It's sitting at over 90Hp and I believe he plans to get close to 100 from what I have read/been told. All that in a bike that will be 40KG lighter, F3 just got serious.its got the firing pulse of a 800 four stroke . should not even be allowed out in f3 ! more like super bikes ! but some people like srewing with classes to suit them selves

[Billy]

its got the firing pulse of a 800 four stroke . should not even be allowed out in f3 ! more like super bikes ! but some people like srewing with classes to suit them selves

Who would that be then???????

[Drew]

its got the firing pulse of a 800 four stroke . should not even be allowed out in f3 ! more like super bikes ! but some people like srewing with classes to suit them selvesOr is it people building bikes around the rules in place?


Who would that be then???????You are allowed up to 750cc air cooled four strokes in F3 anyway aren't ya?

[Mental Trousers]

Or is it people building bikes around the rules in place?

You are allowed up to 750cc air cooled four strokes in F3 anyway aren't ya?

Two valve air cooled. Appendix B 1.6 means anything with more than 2 valves per cylinder are limited to 650cc.

[Billy]

Or is it people building bikes around the rules in place?

You are allowed up to 750cc air cooled four strokes in F3 anyway aren't ya?

Yip,You sure are.

[Drew]

Two valve air cooled. Appendix B 1.6 means anything with more than 2 valves per cylinder are limited to 650cc.I can't open the fuckin PDF for some tittie fucking cock sucking reason. Does it say how many cc's though? I'm off to buy a 900ss Ducati if not, and I'm finally gonna get me a title! Those things can be coerced into producing 100+ ponies on a standard crank some spaghetti slurper reckons.

[Mental Trousers]

I can't open the fuckin PDF for some tittie fucking cock sucking reason. Does it say how many cc's though? I'm off to buy a 900ss Ducati if not, and I'm finally gonna get me a title! Those things can be coerced into producing 100+ ponies on a standard crank some spaghetti slurper reckons.

Appendix B et al


SUPERLITE REGULATIONS
Superlite class will exist for ‘formula’ type machines. The class listed below (1-1 to 1-5) allows modifications to the machines to be carried out while still keeping a similar level of performance between machines.
These rules apply to all National Championship and Endurance Championship races. At other meetings these rules will apply unless varied in the Supplementary Regulations.
1 Capacity Groups:
(Refer to rule 5 below for specifications and restrictions within a capacity group)
1.1 Multi-cylinder four Stroke up to 450cc
1.1a the working displacement of a 3 or 4 cylinder 4 Stroke (cylinders producing power) shall be no more than 450cc.
1.2 Multi-cylinder production based two strokes up to 400cc
1.3 Twin cylinder, air cooled, four stroke up to 750cc
1.4 Single cylinder four stroke 251cc - Open Capacity
1.5 Single cylinder two stroke 200cc - 500cc
1.6 Twin cylinder, 2 or more valves, water cooled 4 Stroke up to 650cc
2 Number Plate Colours and placement:
Refer to rule 10.2.3
3 Fuel:
Refer to rule 10.17.2
4 Machine Specifications (General):
All machines must comply with the relevant General Competition
Rules such as Chapter 10. Machines with re-bored cylinders must remain within the appropriate capacity limit.
4.1 Multi-cylinder four stroke machines eligible under rule 1.1 shall only be limited to the capacity, and fuel requirements above.
4.2 The specifications for up to 400cc two stroke Production based machines eligible under 1.2 are described in rule 5.
4.3 Twin cylinder four strokes shall be limited as follows:
a) Up to 500cc, no restrictions apart from fuel as above.
b) Over 500cc, two valves per cylinder are restricted to 750cc and must be air cooled, fuel as per rule 3,
Effective 1st January 2012
c) Over 500cc, two or more valves per cylinder and water cooled are restricted to 650cc, fuel as per rule 3, Additionally these machines must retain the standard OEM air box/cleaner assembly in its entirety, air filter element and carburettor (with the exception of removable jets or throttle body, including injector).
4.4 Single cylinder four stroke machines eligible under rule 1.4 shall only be limited to the fuel requirements as per rule 3. Capacity is unrestricted.
4.5 Single cylinder two stroke machines eligible under rule 1.5 shall be limited to the capacity and fuel requirements as per rule 3.
4.6 Be fitted with clip-on style bars (no MX, Motard, and Enduro or trail/dual purpose style of handle bars)
5 Specifications for up to 400cc two stroke production based machines:
The machine must be based on a production motorcycle. No homologation is necessary however the Road Race Commission or Technical Steward shall have the power to rule whether or not a machine is eligible.
5.1 Capacity:
Must not exceed 400cc. Machines with re-bored cylinders must remain within the capacity limit.
5.2 Engine Specifications:
a) The crankcase must be from the original road going motorcycle. The manufacturer’s identification marks must be retained, and may be examined to ensure compliance. But may be modified without any further restriction.
b) Any aftermarket or race piston and ring set may be fitted provided the cylinder remains within the capacity limit.
c) The original carburettor may be replaced by any brand or type
6 Modifications permitted:
Provided all the previous requirements are met and the machine complies with the relevant General Competition Rules, all other items are unrestricted
6.1 Quick shifters may be used
6.2 Lap timing and data logging equipment is allowed

[Drew]

Cheers broseph.

[crazy man]

Who would that be then???????tell us how we get around useing a banshee engine when its is a race engine?

[Henk]

tell us how we get around useing a banshee engine when its is a race engine?

Because the rule says "production" not "non competition"?

[crazy man]

Because the rule says "production" not "non competition"?so why cant l find one in a shop to buy? production it a dam lot more than 3 bikes!!

[Billy]

tell us how we get around useing a banshee engine when its is a race engine?

When you answer my question I'll tell ya haha!

[crazy man]

When you answer my question I'll tell ya haha!l have no adea on who plays with these rules . l guess your saying your one of them . l should not give a shite realy cause l no longer race in f3. all l know is that it once was a full class then it changed and died a bit and now is that going to happen again? whats the point of sombody spending a lot for time building somthing then they change rules to make that a bit of a wast of time

[Crasherfromwayback]

tell us how we get around useing a banshee engine when its is a race engine?

Easy. Same as you can use a KX/YZ/CR/RM engine.

[Grumph]

Grey area alert...

machine must be based on a production motorcycle...

The crankcase must be from the origiinal road going motorcycle...

If has been reported, Wob's putting Yamaha cases into an Aprilia chassis, I see problems ahead.

[crazy man]

Easy. Same as you can use a KX/YZ/CR/RM engine.so you can buy a 500 gp bike sleve it to a 400 and bobs your uncle?

[Mental Trousers]

Grey area alert...

machine must be based on a production motorcycle...

The crankcase must be from the origiinal road going motorcycle...

If has been reported, Wob's putting Yamaha cases into an Aprilia chassis, I see problems ahead.



I'm staying way the hell out of that one haha :corn: :jerry:

[Billy]

Grey area alert...

machine must be based on a production motorcycle...

The crankcase must be from the origiinal road going motorcycle...

If has been reported, Wob's putting Yamaha cases into an Aprilia chassis, I see problems ahead.

Hahahahaha! Yip that was a typo when the rules were changed a year or so ago,The board insisted we do a rulechange to change "the" to "a",That has been done and ratified by the board,Just waiting for Vicky at the MNZ to list the new rules on the website

[Kickaha]

If has been reported, Wob's putting Yamaha cases into an Aprilia chassis, I see problems ahead.

Isn't the Banshee bottom end shared with the RZ range?

[Mental Trousers]

Ah well that's no fun.

[Crasherfromwayback]

so you can buy a 500 gp bike sleve it to a 400 and bobs your uncle?

Only if it's a production motorcycle as far as I can gather.

[Billy]

Easy. Same as you can use a KX/YZ/CR/RM engine.

Close but no cigar,Different rules for the multi cylinder two smokers.

[Grumph]

Hahahahaha! Yip that was a typo when the rules were changed a year or so ago,The board insisted we do a rulechange to change "the" to "a",That has been done and ratified by the board,Just waiting for Vicky at the MNZ to list the new rules on the website

The words "the original" had better become just "a" Billy...If "original" is left in there there'll be trouble.

Kick - yep, I know where a banshee comes from, and in the context of my post, it is not from an Aprilia chassis...

[Kickaha]

Kick - yep, I know where a banshee comes from, and in the context of my post, it is not from an Aprilia chassis...

Ah yeah, see what you mean

[Billy]

tell us how we get around useing a banshee engine when its is a race engine?


Isn't the Banshee bottom end shared with the RZ range?

Kicks got your answer right there crazy person and the rule surrounds cases only,Not the complete engine,If they were using the billet aftermarket cases available for the banshee,Then they would be illegal,These particular machines are not,I checked it myself while the bike was here having the bodywork sorted,Engine number pre fix 29L same as RZ 350.

No you cannot run a TZ 500 sleeved down there is a specific rule included that states,Final eligibility will be at the discretion of the tech steward or the roadrace commission,Specifically to stop mass produced GP machines to enter the class.

[Billy]

The words "the original" had better become just "a" Billy...If "original" is left in there there'll be trouble.

Kick - yep, I know where a banshee comes from, and in the context of my post, it is not from an Aprilia chassis...

Correcta mundo big fella,Thats exactly how it reads! So trouble is over haha!

[Drew]

Has anyone tried to breath some life into a 750ss donk? The BEARs guys down south have got some fuckin sick 900's, but I dunno how many middleweights were there at sound of thunder.

[Kickaha]

but I dunno how many middleweights were there at sound of thunder.
Shitloads, one of the best bang for buck bikes out there if you want to do BEARs and mainstream events

[Drew]

Shitloads, one of the best bang for buck bikes out there if you want to do BEARs and mainstream eventsThere was one that Nick Odermatt had a hard on for, weighed in at 148 Kilos ready to ride the dude reckoned. That's a tad less than an ER6 or an SV. Dunno if it was 750 or 900, but it was fuckin near as fast down the straight as my 749r. When you consider that Glen Williams SV stops keeping up at 140-150Ks when the Dukes were hooking fourth gear, there is power to be had there.

[crazy man]

as soon as you put a production engine with a production frame of diffent types it is then a prototype (None production!) just seems the f3 class has just turned into (chuck anything in it) class

[Drew]

as soon as you put a production engine with a production frame of diffent types it is then a prototype (None production!) just seems the f3 class has just turned into (chuck anything in it) class
You're kidding aye? F3 is a true formula class. You are given set parameters and build the baddest meanest fastest fuckin thing you can dream up. The rules for formula class have always specified weather or not you could change your frame.

Bloody good job that's the case too, or I couldn't go down to TSS and blow my load all oover the aluminium bike, and plastic fantastic that Steve Roberts built for Formula 1 racing.

[Billy]

as soon as you put a production engine with a production frame of diffent types it is then a prototype (None production!) just seems the f3 class has just turned into (chuck anything in it) class

Err,Would that be like your fellas frame with a V4 in it,Or Glens machine or the Tigcraft/Aprilia,Its called progress old son,Can't be racing 1989 ZXRs for ever in that class,Its primarily been kept as a Formula class for that very reason,So Kiwis can do what theyre best at,Build race machinery,Get with the program.

[crazy man]

You're kidding aye? F3 is a true formula class. You are given set parameters and build the baddest meanest fastest fuckin thing you can dream up. The rules for formula class have always specified weather or not you could change your frame.

Bloody good job that's the case too, or I couldn't go down to TSS and blow my load all oover the aluminium bike, and plastic fantastic that Steve Roberts built for Formula 1 racing.l dont disagree but a 400 twin two stroke has the same firing as a 800 twin four stroke so how can that be fair? but its still going to take a good rider to win on it l know. just the point of it

[crazy man]

Err,Would that be like your fellas frame with a V4 in it,Or Glens machine or the Tigcraft/Aprilia,Its called progress old son,Can't be racing 1989 ZXRs for ever in that class,Its primarily been kept as a Formula class for that very reason,So Kiwis can do what theyre best at,Build race machinery,Get with the program.so how do you compair a 400 four stroke with a 400 two stroke lmao

[Drew]

l dont disagree but a 400 twin two stroke has the same firing as a 800 twin four stroke so how can that be fair? but its still going to take a good rider to win on it l know. just the point of it


so how do you compair a 400 four stroke with a 400 two stroke lmao

Work on this dude. Start at 100bhp then work backwards form what configuration will achieve it at a fairly high state of tune, and you'll have your answer.

Now, Wobbly could prolly get more than that more easily than the other guys, but the bike would become so unrideable as to be detrimental.

That's how I see it anyhoo.

[Crasherfromwayback]

as soon as you put a production engine with a production frame of diffent types it is then a prototype (None production!) just seems the f3 class has just turned into (chuck anything in it) class

Like Tony McMurdo winning for years on a GPZ500 powered VFR750 framed thingy?

[crazy man]

l just wanted to say my bit and thats it. when the sv650 came in 30 of us were asked at manfeild if we wanted them out there not one person said yes but some body had there fingers in someone's pie lol but like billy said thats progress l guess

[lostinflyz]

lets see these 400 two smokes out on track. more the merrier.....

*** i will moderate my comment though and say it seems suspicious that 4 strokes have to run standard airbox and elements; personally i would like to see the two stokes have to maintain the same standard airbox and element of the road going motorbike.... :) only fair..... ***

I'm sure the rules will get tweaked again next year to suit the next great thing, or someone else no doubt ..... personally some cost controls would have been nice rather than adapting the rules for what appears to be 2-3 bikes but ohh well....

[Mental Trousers]

Err,Would that be like your fellas frame with a V4 in it,Or Glens machine or the Tigcraft/Aprilia,Its called progress old son,Can't be racing 1989 ZXRs for ever in that class,Its primarily been kept as a Formula class for that very reason,So Kiwis can do what theyre best at,Build race machinery,Get with the program.

Long may it stay that way. Race whatever you can dream up - love it :niceone:

[Billy]

lets see these 400 two smokes out on track. more the merrier.....

*** i will moderate my comment though and say it seems suspicious that 4 strokes have to run standard airbox and elements; personally i would like to see the two stokes have to maintain the same standard airbox and element of the road going motorbike.... :) only fair..... ***

I'm sure the rules will get tweaked again next year to suit the next great thing, or someone else no doubt ..... personally some cost controls would have been nice rather than adapting the rules for what appears to be 2-3 bikes but ohh well....

Some very clever observations there,It is indeed a work in progress,As it always will be,Assuming the two strokes are horrendously fast,Then we remove the restrictions on the Vtwins with the air boxes or the like,Won't really know til the flag drops at Ruapuna for round 1 in Jan.

Nope didn't adapt the rules to suit anybody in particular,Those bikes didnt exist when the superlite rules surrounding multi cylinder 2 strokes was changed.

One things for sure,Superlite's gonna have a widerange of machines on the grid this year,Maybe it will convince the gimp to reappear,I saw him snooping on this site earlier ?????

[neil_cb125t]

Some very clever observations there,It is indeed a work in progress,As it always will be,Assuming the two strokes are horrendously fast,Then we remove the restrictions on the Vtwins with the air boxes or the like,Won't really know til the flag drops at Ruapuna for round 1 in Jan.

Nope didn't adapt the rules to suit anybody in particular,Those bikes didnt exist when the superlite rules surrounding multi cylinder 2 strokes was changed.

One things for sure,Superlite's gonna have a widerange of machines on the grid this year,Maybe it will convince the gimp to reappear,I saw him snooping on this site earlier ?????

Its great that F3 is trying to evolve to maintain its presence in NZ, the 2 stroke rule is great (considering they were talking about putting 250GP bikes in the mix!!) I think 400cc 2 smoke is def very big compared to a 450cc multi 4 stroke...... but then im not building one!!

Removing the Airbox rule on Twins im not sure would be the best idea either......seems the 650s work fine and are a good bence mark and there are plenty of em, changing the ruling on the new 2 strokes IF it was required would make more sence.....Has anyone seen the air box on the ER........ id get nother 10hp out fo mine by ditching it........:drool:

I have heard there is a vid of the beast someone online????

[codgyoleracer]

Some very clever observations there,It is indeed a work in progress,As it always will be,Assuming the two strokes are horrendously fast,Then we remove the restrictions on the Vtwins with the air boxes or the like,Won't really know til the flag drops at Ruapuna for round 1 in Jan.

Nope didn't adapt the rules to suit anybody in particular,Those bikes didnt exist when the superlite rules surrounding multi cylinder 2 strokes was changed.

One things for sure,Superlite's gonna have a widerange of machines on the grid this year,Maybe it will convince the gimp to reappear,I saw him snooping on this site earlier ?????

Your not wrong Billy , the new names and variety of bikes for the class this year is looking pretty darn cooool

[macclan]

the class was becoming boring having 2stokes out there will breath some life into to it
we are not allowed to fit them to a gp frames like the 4strokes !!!
rules are there for all and its up to you what bike you want to ride or develop just stop ur whinging toughen up
im one off the guys whos got one of these 400rz bikes its got nothing to do with money its because i love 2strokes
no one moans when i ride my350 lc in f3 so i dont see why you should have a prob with me riding the rz400 in f3 its built to the rules

[neil_cb125t]

the class was becoming boring having 2stokes out there will breath some life into to it
we are not allowed to fit them to a gp frames like the 4strokes !!!
rules are there for all and its up to you what bike you want to ride or develop just stop ur whinging toughen up
im one off the guys whos got one of these 400rz bikes its got nothing to do with money its because i love 2strokes
no one moans when i ride my350 lc in f3 so i dont see why you should have a prob with me riding the rz400 in f3 its built to the rules

Yeah matey - totally agree - i Def hate it when people build something out of the rules and then try and change the rules to suit....if the 2 smokers start to hammer us then maybe they'll let us bore out the 650s to 700cc and 450's multis to 500cc.... now thats a class!!!

Ps do you have a GP frame going for sale:lol:

[codgyoleracer]

the class was becoming boring having 2stokes out there will breath some life into to it
we are not allowed to fit them to a gp frames like the 4strokes !!!
rules are there for all and its up to you what bike you want to ride or develop just stop ur whinging toughen up
im one off the guys whos got one of these 400rz bikes its got nothing to do with money its because i love 2strokes
no one moans when i ride my350 lc in f3 so i dont see why you should have a prob with me riding the rz400 in f3 its built to the rules

Your obviously getting bored, lying around the house with hoof in the air.

Thanks for the offer of that awesome back-up bike as well

[macclan]

Yeah matey - totally agree - i Def hate it when people build something out of the rules and then try and change the rules to suit....if the 2 smokers start to hammer us then maybe they'll let us bore out the 650s to 700cc and 450's multis to 500cc.... now thats a class!!!

Ps do you have a GP frame going for sale:lol:

sorry all my gp stuff is sold

[macclan]

Your obviously getting bored, lying around the house with hoof in the air.

Thanks for the offer of that awesome back-up bike as well

you know that i might let u do the nats on it glen :lol:

[bones1999]

you know that i might let u do the nats on it glen :lol:

That should be interesting.

[codgyoleracer]

you know that i might let u do the nats on it glen :lol:

Its so light i will hardly even know its in the trailer mate, You can steal it back for the north island and come out and give me an ass whoopin.

[macclan]

Its so light i will hardly even know its in the trailer mate, You can steal it back for the north island and come out and give me an ass whoopin.

i might even do them mysleve glen if i get to grips with it
being an old git many might right me off lol
will see what happens !!!!!

[crazy man]

the class was becoming boring having 2stokes out there will breath some life into to it
we are not allowed to fit them to a gp frames like the 4strokes !!!
rules are there for all and its up to you what bike you want to ride or develop just stop ur whinging toughen up
im one off the guys whos got one of these 400rz bikes its got nothing to do with money its because i love 2strokes
no one moans when i ride my350 lc in f3 so i dont see why you should have a prob with me riding the rz400 in f3 its built to the rulesf1 and f2 are boring f3 was th best class out there untill people that cant ride fast need faster bikes to look any good lmao

[macclan]

f1 and f2 are boring f3 was th best class out there untill people that cant ride fast need faster bikes to look any good lmao

are u saying that i cant ride !!!! i get into the top 5 or 6 in f3 at club level on a 1980 lc 350 !!!!
i dont race to look any good i do it because i enjoy it and hate 4stokes tractors

[crazy man]

are u saying that i cant ride !!!! i get into the top 5 or 6 in f3 at club level on a 1980 lc 350 !!!!
i dont race to look any good i do it because i enjoy it and hate 4stokes tractorsclub riders are diffent l could do 1.20s on a stock nc24 with around 40hp 180kgs! and get in 5th most the time years ago. lap record at manfeild on a 250 gp bike in around 1990 was 1 min 9 somthing with a jap rider so l guess with 25 hp more hp and the some weight you should get 107s around there like a f2 bike? .sorry to be a pain just how l feel should of been a 250 with a race frame or a 300 with what your running to be fair . why should the 99% of f3 bikes out there have to change there f3 bikes because there cocked up the cc of the 2 strokes. sorry mate . good luck

[RobGassit]

F3 sounds like it's going to be real interesting machine wise. Personally I currently prefer the Production classes for bums on seats and plenty of racecraft.

[Edbear]

Some very clever observations there,It is indeed a work in progress,As it always will be,Assuming the two strokes are horrendously fast,Then we remove the restrictions on the Vtwins with the air boxes or the like,Won't really know til the flag drops at Ruapuna for round 1 in Jan.

Nope didn't adapt the rules to suit anybody in particular,Those bikes didnt exist when the superlite rules surrounding multi cylinder 2 strokes was changed.

One things for sure,Superlite's gonna have a widerange of machines on the grid this year,Maybe it will convince the gimp to reappear,I saw him snooping on this site earlier ?????


the class was becoming boring having 2stokes out there will breath some life into to it
we are not allowed to fit them to a gp frames like the 4strokes !!!
rules are there for all and its up to you what bike you want to ride or develop just stop ur whinging toughen up
im one off the guys whos got one of these 400rz bikes its got nothing to do with money its because i love 2strokes
no one moans when i ride my350 lc in f3 so i dont see why you should have a prob with me riding the rz400 in f3 its built to the rules

Two strokes would make it very interesting for sure. I wonder how the old Kwaka 400 triple would go? It was noted for curing the handling issues of the triples and went like stink for its time.

[Billy]

Two strokes would make it very interesting for sure. I wonder how the old Kwaka 400 triple would go? It was noted for curing the handling issues of the triples and went like stink for its time.

Build one and bring it along !There is a very trick RGV/NS400r project also Wobbly inspired and owned by former NZ champ Jared Gillard in the pipeline,Think Jareds run out of money temporarily but it will also be a weapon when its finished,The more the merrier I say

[Mental Trousers]

So is this a case of little ol' NZ leading the world again or retreating into the rose tinted past?? Cos everyone else in the world is moving away from 2 strokes.

I'm not saying the rest of the world is right, after all, look at some of the things majority rules have given us - George Dubya, Hone the fuckwit in Parliament, Political Correctness etc.

[neil_cb125t]

How bout a RG400 in a ZXR frame....... hmmmmmm or we could try and put 2 KX200 heads on a KR bottom end......Or the new KTM690 single 69HP out of the box,,,,,,,,,:eek5:

F3 best class ever

[Drew]

You guys are all full of shit. Only true formula class left is buckets.

Just ask a fuckin bucket racer!

[nodrog]

Man I love my job

Pictures to follow at a later date when completed.....

Hurry up please Shaun, we would like to see pictures before you are loving a different job.

[Matt Bleck]

Hurry up please Shaun, we would like to see pictures before you are loving a different job.

where's yours? .

[neil_cb125t]

You guys are all full of shit. Only true formula class left is buckets.

Just ask a fuckin bucket racer!

Buckets aint a class - its a disease.

[RobGassit]

It's actually pronounced "Bouquet".
Bouquet, a word of French origin, pronounced , may refer to: Bouquet (<wbr>whine), a fragrance or petrol odor, especially when used as a description of whine; Flower [B]...

[Mental Trousers]

How bout a RG400 in a ZXR frame....... hmmmmmm or we could try and put 2 KX200 heads on a KR bottom end......Or the new KTM690 single 69HP out of the box,,,,,,,,,:eek5:

F3 best class ever

I looked at putting a Husaberg 650 in a 250GP rolling chassis. Only problem was finding a 'Berg ........ and also a 250GP rolling chassis :wacko:

[Billy]

Only problem was finding a 'Berg ........ and also a 250GP rolling chassis :wacko:

I know where theres one,Well actually its a whole NX5 RS250 Honda

[Drew]

Buckets aint a class - its a disease.

I caught it. Turns out, it is derived from empty wallet syndrome, when coupled with the can't not race virus. Horrible shit man, you don't wanna catch it.

[neil_cb125t]

I caught it. Turns out, it is derived from empty wallet syndrome, when coupled with the can't not race virus. Horrible shit man, you don't wanna catch it.

LMAO:killingme

[codgyoleracer]

I caught it. Turns out, it is derived from empty wallet syndrome, when coupled with the can't not race virus. Horrible shit man, you don't wanna catch it.


Watch out for that bug, - It can give you the shits.

[codgyoleracer]

I know where theres one,Well actually its a whole NX5 RS250 Honda

Billy, I've told you before its NOT for sale

[Billy]

Billy, I've told you before its NOT for sale

Now come on Fanta pants (LOL good one Drew),You and I both know,Everything is for sale,Its just a matter of arriving at an agreeable price,Anyway I wasn't talking about your one :nya:

[Drew]

Watch out for that bug, - It can give you the shits.The arguing over rules will, if nothing else.


Now come on Fanta pants (LOL good one Drew)I can't take credit for that one, it's what Jimmy calls a mate of ours whom is also aflicted with the day walker curse.

[nodrog]

where's yours? .

dude i hate my job so I am hardly going to take photos of it. :weird:

[Edbear]

It's actually pronounced "Bouquet".
Bouquet, a word of French origin, pronounced , may refer to: Bouquet (<wbr>whine), a fragrance or petrol odor, especially when used as a description of whine; Flower [B]...

Reminds me of that old Pommy comedy TV show...

[Matt Bleck]

dude i hate my job so I am hardly going to take photos of it. :weird:

i was talking about ya tricycle timmay..... :motu:

[nodrog]

i was talking about ya tricycle timmay..... :motu:

http://www.ohgizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/green_machine.jpg

[jasonu]

Only if it's a production motorcycle as far as I can gather.

Like the NSR500 V twin 'production' race bike that was available to anyone with enough cash?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Like the NSR500 V twin 'production' race bike that was available to anyone with enough cash?

Well they were'nt generally avail from your local Honda dealership as such, no.

[macclan]

Like the NSR500 V twin 'production' race bike that was available to anyone with enough cash?

in f3 for the 2strokes no gp engines or frames 4stroke can run any frame they want

[crazy man]

in f3 for the 2strokes no gp engines or frames 4stroke can run any frame they wantjust road reg it? a good cheat way around that lol but hope people dont drop that low .

[Billy]

just road reg it? a good cheat way around that lol but hope people dont drop that low .

Good point,Actually Wobbly does a road version and in fact has one in his workshop right now that he built ages ago,We have pictures of it on file for reference,Just in case,Not that we will be needing them !!!!!

[Muzzab]

Interesting, where do you race F3? I was told it didn't exist.