New Ninja 250

[LankyBastard]

Just saw this online, looks pretty mint I must say. Loved my old ninja 250, this should hopefully be a winner!!

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/630/13903/Motorcycle-Article/2013-Kawasaki-Ninja-250R-Revealed.aspx

:headbang:

[ducatilover]

That is impressively ugly.
Bring back the two strokes! Or fuel injected 4cyls. :cool:

[Fast Eddie]

I think it looks sharper than the previous version (looked a bit too commuter somehow. something was off with it)

looks not bad..

rather an rs250 tho :D

[Glowerss]

Shit, if nothing else the display on that thing is 1000000x better then the old 80s rubbish they've had.

Nice ass looking bike though. Shame the golden age of IL4 250s is gone. FI IL4 250 looking like that? I'd buy one. Edit, Or if they put a properly nice V-twin in the thing ALA the old 40hp spada lumps :D Now that would be fantastic.

They'll probably go for a million $$ here though. The 2008-2012 ninjas still go for an arm and a leg, and they only look so-so at best. New one looks a lot like the zx6 and zx10rs.

Bad news for hyosucks though who largely sell based on looks :lol:

[f2dz]

Looks like a baby 6 or 10r, very nice. Glad the lil 250 is getting a facelift, hopefully be selling mine before they come out.

I'm guessing the price of the current model will drop slightly? Maybe?

[Glowerss]

Looks like a baby 6 or 10r, very nice. Glad the lil 250 is getting a facelift, hopefully be selling mine before they come out.

I'm guessing the price of the current model will drop slightly? Maybe?

Used ones? Probably not until there's a fair quantity of the new ones moving into the market. You'll probably not see a price drop because of the new ones anyway. The pre 2008 ones only dropped in price sharply because they were styled back in the 80s and were butt ugly. The 2008-2012 ones are fairly decent looking.

Brand new ones, however, might drop in price to make way for the new ones. Particularly the old carbed models. Theres still some 2010 models floating around in dealerships. I imagine they'd want to get those out ASAP.

[scott411]

there has just been a shipment of 2012 Carb'd Ninja 250R's turn up at $7589 RRP, The Injected 2012 is $8795,

[nzspokes]

there has just been a shipment of 2012 Carb'd Ninja 250R's turn up at $7589 RRP, The Injected 2012 is $8795,

45hp? :killingme

[LankyBastard]

45hp? :killingme

Luckily dreams are free..........

[Glowerss]

45hp? :killingme

Who the hell is quoting any ninja as having 45 hp? Theyre about15 years too late (assuming the ZXR 250s were ever actually branded as ninjas)

[nzspokes]

Who the hell is quoting any ninja as having 45 hp? Theyre about15 years too late (assuming the ZXR 250s were ever actually branded as ninjas)

My 86 honda had more powa.

[ducatilover]

Who the hell is quoting any ninja as having 45 hp? Theyre about15 years too late (assuming the ZXR 250s were ever actually branded as ninjas)
There was a 45hp version of the GPX too, apparently. Kawasaki named everything with clip on bars Ninja back then :clap: I really do think this new one looks yuck, but I think the new 10r looks like shite, the proportions are on the piss and the tail is hideous.

[Glowerss]

There was a 45hp version of the GPX too, apparently. Kawasaki named everything with clip on bars Ninja back then :clap: I really do think this new one looks yuck, but I think the new 10r looks like shite, the proportions are on the piss and the tail is hideous.

Some of the later ZZR 250s (2001s ect) are quoted as having 45ish HP as well. Don't know that I believe it though, thats a lot to wring from a parallel twin 250 that only revs to 12k. But who knows, the old late 80s early 90s vtrs managed 40ish or there abouts didn't they?

Apparently, despite all the rubbish about the new engine, peak figures remain basically identical. Actually, slightly worse then a properly tuned carbed model from the 08-12 version.

Bout the only thing I'd want from the new ninja over the old ones is the speedo cluster. Dash? whatever the fuck they're called on bikes. Personal preference ect but it's worlds better then the 80s rubbish they've had previously.

[ducatilover]

Some of the later ZZR 250s (2001s ect) are quoted as having 45ish HP as well. Don't know that I believe it though, thats a lot to wring from a parallel twin 250 that only revs to 12k. But who knows, the old late 80s early 90s vtrs managed 40ish or there abouts didn't they?

Apparently, despite all the rubbish about the new engine, peak figures remain basically identical. Actually, slightly worse then a properly tuned carbed model from the 08-12 version.

Bout the only thing I'd want from the new ninja over the old ones is the speedo cluster. Dash? whatever the fuck they're called on bikes. Personal preference ect but it's worlds better then the 80s rubbish they've had previously. The GPZ/X/ZZR range has HP claims from 33hp t0 45 hp, most of them being the 40hp models, then the "new" EX250 Ninja came out with 33hp
The VT250F2 Integra was the gruntiest twin I've seen at a whopping 43hp, the 45hp GPZ/X never seemed like it. The VT250 Spada was 40hp, mine managed a metropolis toppling 36rwhp after a lot of stupid work.
Late model VTRs were down 33hp and below.
The "45hp" Kawasaki twin had a 14k redline, the rest had the 12k redline. :2thumbsup The VT250 Spada still makes the most torque out of all the 250cc 4 strokes and that was only made between 88-89!

I have no idea why/how I know that shit :facepalm: but 250cc bikes have gone backwards since the late 80's early 90's.

[ducatilover]

Some of the later ZZR 250s (2001s ect) are quoted as having 45ish HP as well. Don't know that I believe it though, thats a lot to wring from a parallel twin 250 that only revs to 12k. But who knows, the old late 80s early 90s vtrs managed 40ish or there abouts didn't they?

Apparently, despite all the rubbish about the new engine, peak figures remain basically identical. Actually, slightly worse then a properly tuned carbed model from the 08-12 version.

Bout the only thing I'd want from the new ninja over the old ones is the speedo cluster. Dash? whatever the fuck they're called on bikes. Personal preference ect but it's worlds better then the 80s rubbish they've had previously. The GPZ/X/ZZR range has HP claims from 33hp t0 45 hp, most of them being the 40hp models, then the "new" EX250 Ninja came out with 33hp
The VT250F2 Integra was the gruntiest twin I've seen at a whopping 43hp, the 45hp GPZ/X never seemed like it. The VT250 Spada was 40hp, mine managed a metropolis toppling 36rwhp after a lot of stupid work.
Late model VTRs were down 33hp and below.
The "45hp" Kawasaki twin had a 14k redline, the rest had the 12k redline. :2thumbsup The VT250 Spada still makes the most torque out of all the 250cc 4 strokes and that was only made between 88-89!

I have no idea why/how I know that shit :facepalm: but 250cc bikes have gone backwards since the late 80's early 90's.

[Glowerss]

The GPZ/X/ZZR range has HP claims from 33hp t0 45 hp, most of them being the 40hp models, then the "new" EX250 Ninja came out with 33hp
The VT250F2 Integra was the gruntiest twin I've seen at a whopping 43hp, the 45hp GPZ/X never seemed like it. The VT250 Spada was 40hp, mine managed a metropolis toppling 36rwhp after a lot of stupid work.
Late model VTRs were down 33hp and below.
The "45hp" Kawasaki twin had a 14k redline, the rest had the 12k redline. :2thumbsup The VT250 Spada still makes the most torque out of all the 250cc 4 strokes and that was only made between 88-89!

I have no idea why/how I know that shit :facepalm: but 250cc bikes have gone backwards since the late 80's early 90's.

You can blame government nanny eco horseshit for that. Emission regulations and beginner rider licensing crap has put an end to the fun 250s. I don't think they could produce a bike with those sort of power figures and still meet the stupid euro emission regs. And they wouldn't be learner legal in like half the countries out there either, which is a shame. A fuel injected IL4 50+HP 250 would be a laugh and a half. I'd buy one.

Thought I suppose you could always buy a 2smoker :2thumbsup . Shame most of the good ones are raped and or way too expensive.

[ducatilover]

I had my Spada on the exhaust gas analyser a few times... I can vouch for the emissions thing! It was worse than a 3.0 V6 Maxima (VG30DE) :clap: that was before the nitro-meth mix too.
I think an FI 250 would be great, or new 400s, I love the CBR/VFR/ZXR/FZR 400s, buying a 3tj FZR400 is high on my to-do list.

[Glowerss]

I had my Spada on the exhaust gas analyser a few times... I can vouch for the emissions thing! It was worse than a 3.0 V6 Maxima (VG30DE) :clap: that was before the nitro-meth mix too.
I think an FI 250 would be great, or new 400s, I love the CBR/VFR/ZXR/FZR 400s, buying a 3tj FZR400 is high on my to-do list.

Amen to the 400s too. Current 400 is an OK bike, but it suffers from some old bike quirks that I don't particularly care for. A new 400 in any of the bikes you listed would be amazing. You can still rape a 400 and be (mostly) legal. 100kph is 9k RPM or so in third on mine. It's a shame the damn thing vibrates so fucking much im worried it'll fall apart at any second :nya:

I have such a soft spot for the smaller capacity bikes that you can thrash and still be within sane boundaries. The current 600+CC bikes you cant' ride anywhere near their max on the road. If the 250 CBRRs weren't so old and raped by this stage (and expensive wtf) I'd totally own one.

Shame there's no market for a new 400 (or proper 250 for that matter). Only person still making new 400s are kawasaki and the ninja 400 is a colossal massive steaming pile of poo (203!!!kg and delivers a MASSIVE 44hp :killingme ) at 11k brand new. It's no wonder they don't sell any of the fucking things. It has a worse power/weight ratio then my 400 :brick:

[ducatilover]

Amen to the 400s too. Current 400 is an OK bike, but it suffers from some old bike quirks that I don't particularly care for. A new 400 in any of the bikes you listed would be amazing. You can still rape a 400 and be (mostly) legal. 100kph is 9k RPM or so in third on mine. It's a shame the damn thing vibrates so fucking much im worried it'll fall apart at any second :nya:

I have such a soft spot for the smaller capacity bikes that you can thrash and still be within sane boundaries. The current 600+CC bikes you cant' ride anywhere near their max on the road. If the 250 CBRRs weren't so old and raped by this stage (and expensive wtf) I'd totally own one.

Shame there's no market for a new 400 (or proper 250 for that matter). Only person still making new 400s are kawasaki and the ninja 400 is a colossal massive steaming pile of poo (203!!!kg and delivers a MASSIVE 44hp :killingme ) at 11k brand new. It's no wonder they don't sell any of the fucking things. It has a worse power/weight ratio then my 400 :brick:

I found my '93 CB400 was a ton of fun to be thrashed, great power delivery and not an instant double speed limit. Took the 600 out for a tootle this morning, it's impossible to enjoy it at sane speeds :facepalm:

Have to agree with the new Kwaka 400, heap of poo.

I certainly wouldn't turn down a tidy CBR400... or any of the proper 400s for that matter.
But, knowing me I'll be buying an FZR400 to put an FZR/Thundercat motor up it ;)

[Glowerss]

I found my '93 CB400 was a ton of fun to be thrashed, great power delivery and not an instant double speed limit. Took the 600 out for a tootle this morning, it's impossible to enjoy it at sane speeds :facepalm:

Have to agree with the new Kwaka 400, heap of poo.

I certainly wouldn't turn down a tidy CBR400... or any of the proper 400s for that matter.
But, knowing me I'll be buying an FZR400 to put an FZR/Thundercat motor up it ;)

(way off topic here, but nevermind).

Any experiences with the Rf400s? There are some post 2000 ones around that are in pretty good nic.

[ducatilover]

(way off topic here, but nevermind).

Any experiences with the Rf400s? There are some post 2000 ones around that are in pretty good nic. My only issue with he RF400 is: the RF900 can be had for similar money and is a better bike in every way, same goes for the RF600.
My favourite touring style 400 would have to be the ZZR though, but I am biased.

[Glowerss]

ZZR 400s are fucking heavy aren't they? I was looking at em before I bought my current 400, and they were like 200kg which is sort of a put off considering they dont put out much power.

Course if memory serves you threw a 600 engine in there. That would solve the problem I suppose :headbang:

[ducatilover]

Easier to walk around, lift on to the center stand etc than my CB400 was.
I put a 600 motor in my ZZR400, that helped a lot.
They're 195kg dry, my ZZR weighs in at 175 dry currently

The 400 makes 58hp, and is better than the paper specs suggest. Very, very comfy bikes (mine isn't now)