Recommendations for my next bike

[Tigadee]

Getting close to getting my Full, and I'm getting tired of the 250 cruiser. So I'm looking for candidates for my next bike and would like your recommendations/knowledge.

I'd like something like a Honda Bros NT400 - [B]Light, nimble, torquey, comfy seat, low-ish seat height, neutral-ish seating position, naked [can consider semi-faired], 600cc or less but above 250cc, very reliable.

Not after something super-fast, as long as it can more than easily overtake and handle motorway speeds up to 130kph. Commuting and joy rides, not track days, that's me...

Budget's hard to say, I guess I'll trade in, so the budget's about 5k. The Suzi GSR600 and Hornet 900 did catch my eye though bit above my budget, as did some older bikes such as the Bros, V45 Sabre, Suzuki VX800 or GS550 and older GSX750, or Yammy XJ600 and FZX750.

I'm guessing these aren't lightweight though [and exceptions to my desire to stay at 600cc or below]... Must have a pack rack.

[FJRider]

Preference not necessarily in this order ...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-500524655.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-458508505.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-499333087.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-432933855.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-496207173.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-484229024.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-498627189.htm


I like the 600 Bandit.

[GrayWolf]

Think I'd agree with FJRider, the bandit is a good choice and a well proven reliable machine

[ducatilover]

Bandit 600 = good, but incredibly beige.

There's a cheap-ish XS1100 on tardme somewhere, nice bike (apart from twisting the frame and wobbling out of corners and the general imminent death thing)


Hornet 600 = better than Bandit 600.
FZS600 = Fun, but might be too pricey.
Ducati Monster = Nice sound, Hornet riders will destroy you, you'll become a great mechanic.
Honda Bros650 = Why get the 400? I had a 650, fantastic bike.
Kawasaki ZRX400, bit small compared to the others, has super sexy looks and bling 6 pot brakes.
Honda CB400 SuperFour = Great bike, pretty, smooth, but boring, stupidly reliable

My picks for a naked 600 and under (except the Bros, that's there because I love them)

Otherwise, ignore the extra rego cost, it's not much per week if you work it out.

CB900 = everyone raves about 'em for a reason
RF900 = just buy one
ZZR1100, find a reasonably priced one, choice bikes
Bandit 1200 = NZspokes likes his
VFR750/800 = reliable, comfy, super sex noises, gear driven cam awesomeness
ZX9R = Grunt, handling (for the money, hard to beat) Ninja stickers...
Honda CB1000 = heavy, but nice torquey beast, peel the "big one" stickers off, nobody wants to ride an entendre
ZXR11/1200 = Yes, do it.
XJR/FJ1200 = heavy, go okay, comfy as hell.


The bike world is your oyster, an acquired taste and gives you foul breath

[nzspokes]

Go look at the Bandit at Mr Motorcycles....

[Tigadee]

Thanks guys for the recommendations so far...


Bandit 600 = good, but incredibly beige. Beige is good, I don't need a sportsbike nor 150hp.
There's a cheap-ish XS1100 on tardme somewhere, nice bike (apart from twisting the frame and wobbling out of corners and the general imminent death thing) :crazy: I'll pass.
Hornet 600 = better than Bandit 600. A couple on TM, though one has more than 1000k kms on it but looks nice condition.
FZS600 = Fun, but might be too pricey. Not familiar with that one... similar to FZ6?
Ducati Monster = Nice sound, Hornet riders will destroy you, you'll become a great mechanic. I'm a newbie mechanic - just know how to change oil is all...
Honda Bros 650 = Why get the 400? I had a 650, fantastic bike. I don't want to pay an extra $100 a year just for a measly extra 50cc.
Kawasaki ZRX400, bit small compared to the others, has super sexy looks and bling 6 pot brakes. Hmmmmm....
Honda CB400 SuperFour = Great bike, pretty, smooth, but boring, stupidly reliable Sat on one before. Too small for me, like the 250 Hornet.
CB900 = everyone raves about 'em for a reason Like them but not sure if it'll be too much for a commuter.
RF900 = just buy one No thanks, the wrist-heavy seating position isn't for me, nor the butt-heavy cruiser style as I have now found thanks to tingly numb balls...:crazy:
ZZR1100, find a reasonably priced one, choice bikes Same as the RF900
Bandit 1200 = NZspokes likes his I like his too, but he doesn't want to give it to me. Maybe too much bike for a simple commuter hack?
VFR750/800 = reliable, comfy, super sex noises, gear driven cam awesomeness Too fast for me, I've been advised.
ZX9R = Grunt, handling (for the money, hard to beat) Ninja stickers... Not sure about this one, have to check it out.
Honda CB1000 = heavy, but nice torquey beast, peel the "big one" stickers off, nobody wants to ride an entendre Too heavy, too much, I reckon...
ZXR11/1200 = Yes, do it. Too heavy, probably too much, I reckon...
XJR/FJ1200 = heavy, go okay, comfy as hell. Too heavy, too much, I reckon...



Go look at the Bandit at Mr Motorcycles....

I like the 600 Bandit.

It's a nice bike, but black just ain't my colour though...

[Tigadee]

Could anyone recommend these?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=501108646
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=490739602
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=493118499

[ducatilover]

The XJ600 would be a good deal if you want to keep the rego down. :yes:
The VF750 could be fun and the GSX is (in my head) the best bike.

So, because I'm not sensible I'd say the Honda :D

[Tigadee]

Would this be worth it? Re-vinning, WOF and rego?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-427513151.htm

[Tigadee]

So, because I'm not sensible I'd say the Honda :D

Shaft drive which is awesome. V4 which is even more awesome. Comfortable seating style (not too cruiser-ish but not cramped).

Tyres sizes are a bit odd though, so may be difficult to find or expensive.
- front tire 110/90-18 (although the owner of this one says it has a 100/90 –18 fitted)
- rear tyre 130/90-17

[ducatilover]

Nope. I paid $1930 for my 650 in 2005. The Bros400 is an impressively underwhelming bike
The standard 650 lacks in power enough as it is
But, you can get one of the best V2 noises form a bros, just for that I'd buy a 400, but not that one, way too expensive

[ducatilover]

Shaft drive which is awesome. V4 which is even more awesome. Comfortable seating style (not too cruiser-ish but not cramped).

Tyres sizes are a bit odd though, so may be difficult to find or expensive.
- front tire 110/90-18 (although the owner of this one says it has a 100/90 –18 fitted)
- rear tyre 130/90-17
Shouldn't be hard to get rubber for?

Can you stretch this far? http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-436189331.htm this would make a grouse commuter, nice 'n light

[Tigadee]

Looks nice but a single? My old Scorpio was a single and it sounded and vibrated silly (would be fine if I was a woman :whistle: ). My Zeal after that felt so quiet and smooth...

[ducatilover]

Ach, yer a fussy one!
If you buy something down my way I'll ride it up for you on the 14th of September, will be better than taking a bus :D

[Tigadee]

Ach, yer a fussy one!

Sorry, boss! :laugh:

How's this one look?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-501746072.htm


If you buy something down my way I'll ride it up for you on the 14th of September, will be better than taking a bus

I'll hold you to that!

[bogan]

Nope. I paid $1930 for my 650 in 2005. The Bros400 is an impressively underwhelming bike
The standard 650 lacks in power enough as it is
But, you can get one of the best V2 noises form a bros, just for that I'd buy a 400, but not that one, way too expensive

Tough to find a tidy registered one for less than 3k now though. I agree that the 650 is the way to go, either suck it up and pay the extra rego, or don't bother paying it at all.

[ducatilover]

Sorry, boss! :laugh:

How's this one look?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-501746072.htm




It's a teapot!!!!! Call me sick, but I reckon they're good bikes. Nice simple motor on them. Bit like having a fully faired Bandit 600. Rather plush suspension (not a sport bike in any sense lol)

Tough to find a tidy registered one for less than 3k now though. I agree that the 650 is the way to go, either suck it up and pay the extra rego, or don't bother paying it at all.
I think people have realised how awesome the 650 is, so the prices are a bit high.
Have to agree with the rego, bit silly how my 600 costs less than the bros to register... and look at it, crashes itself!

[Tigadee]

How about a Honda CBX750?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-458432260.htm


I think people have realised how awesome the 650 is, so the prices are a bit high.
Have to agree with the rego, bit silly how my 600 costs less than the bros to register... and look at it, crashes itself!

There's one at RB, but seems too high-priced to me...
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-367230189.htm

[willytheekid]

Im with DL

The Honda BROS 650 is a very nice bike (getting hard to find nowdays tho..parts?), I looked at buying one years ago...they look and sound sexy!! (great bikes!)

The VF750 sabre is actually a damn good bike!, very underated machine :yes: (only probs I ever heard about them are the carbs...bit "finicky" and gunk up easy...but if it idles well...there good!) other wise, if looked after, they are damn near bullet proof! (grunty to!..80+hp I think)
...some people think are ugly ducklings lol, I like em :yes: (But I prefer older bikes personally...compared to these new plastic "computer controlled" things out nowdays, they are easier to work on yourself, and not quite as "fragile" or costly if ya drop em)

Either would be a great bike for ya...happy hunting, hope you get something you love

[whowhatwhere]

I think the higher rego for a bigger bike is a non argument. The higher CC bike may be cheaper because of the higher cost rego. Judge each bike on its own merits. If a bigger bike is $500 cheaper then that's funded the higher rego for a few years.

[Tigadee]

Thanks, Willy! Good info too...

[ducatilover]

How about a Honda CBX750?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-458432260.htm



There's one at RB, but seems too high-priced to me...
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-367230189.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-500877902.htm this CBX is prettier :D

That 650 is stupidly priced! :crazy:

[Tigadee]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-500877902.htm this CBX is prettier

What's a (leaking) valve cover gasket?


That 650 is stupidly priced! :crazy:

Az are all 2nd hand bikes ind zer Red Baron...
http://f00.inventorspot.com/images/__Curse_you__Red_Baron___by_pooterjon.jpg

[Tigadee]

I think the higher rego for a bigger bike is a non argument. The higher CC bike may be cheaper because of the higher cost rego. Judge each bike on its own merits. If a bigger bike is $500 cheaper then that's funded the higher rego for a few years.

Well, especially if the bike is less than $3k, I don't mind. But paying an extra $100 per year for a SV650 or GT650 is wasteful, IMHO...

[misterO]

I'd get this girl and live happily ever after:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-470806042.htm

[Tigadee]

God, I'd love to but I haven't got the body to ride somethig like that...

[willytheekid]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-500877902.htm this CBX is prettier :D


...and its only two metric ton! :killingme

now THIS http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-498645298.htm ...is sexy!

or theres even a nice modern version for a song (damn fast bikes tho!)
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-500980613.htm

OMG...there are just sooo many nice old school bikes available...its rediculas!

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-486262274.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-485593552.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-475285795.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-458508505.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-486262274.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-499333087.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-494966834.htm


But my top two ;)

The ever so sexy and classic flip light Kat
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-484554701.htm

And the sexy V4 crusier/sport (So hard to find in that condition, and a great fun bike to ride)
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-461604753.htm


Wow!, your certainly not short on choice mate...end of the day tho, its what you want and will love to own. (I shop mostly with the heart, and not the head!...and yet I always seem to end up with great bikes lol:woohoo:)

[HenryDorsetCase]

Getting close to getting my Full, and I'm getting tired of the 250 cruiser. So I'm looking for candidates for my next bike and would like your recommendations/knowledge.

I'd like something like a Honda Bros NT400 - [B]Light, nimble, torquey, comfy seat, low-ish seat height, neutral-ish seating position, naked [can consider semi-faired], 600cc or less but above 250cc, very reliable.

Not after something super-fast, as long as it can more than easily overtake and handle motorway speeds up to 130kph. Commuting and joy rides, not track days, that's me...

Budget's hard to say, I guess I'll trade in, so the budget's about 5k. The Suzi GSR600 and Hornet 900 did catch my eye though bit above my budget, as did some older bikes such as the Bros, V45 Sabre, Suzuki VX800 or GS550 and older GSX750, or Yammy XJ600 and FZX750.

I'm guessing these aren't lightweight though [and exceptions to my desire to stay at 600cc or below]... Must have a pack rack.

Triumph street triple.

SV650

900 Hornet (take one for a ride: it feels like a 600 but with a bit more lift)

[Tigadee]

But my top two ;)
The ever so sexy and classic flip light Kat
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-484554701.htm

She is loverly... Like the Tron effect white lines too.


And the sexy V4 crusier/sport (So hard to find in that condition, and a great fun bike to ride)
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-461604753.htm

She's a right beauty, this one. I hope the seat is better than my Venox's. I get numb balls after even a short ride, not much padding in the seat and not much more on my bum either....


Wow!, your certainly not short on choice mate...end of the day tho, its what you want and will love to own. (I shop mostly with the heart, and not the head!...and yet I always seem to end up with great bikes lol:woohoo:)

Worked well most of the time for me too!

[Phantom Limb]

My pick would be this:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-489379262.htm
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/74/140047274_full.jpg

Looks the mutts nuts I reckon, bomb proof, torquey, under 600cc. I reckon you could chuck it at some twisties like a madman and have a ball!

Sorted.

[Tigadee]

Triumph street triple.

Been told too fast for me, will end up killing myself...


SV650

Again it's that paying an extra $100 a year just for a measley 50cc over, on top of the high price tag of a decent condition SV650.


900 Hornet (take one for a ride: it feels like a 600 but with a bit more lift)

Yes, this one is on my radar... Thanks.

[Tigadee]

My pick would be this:

Looks the mutts nuts I reckon, bomb proof, torquey, under 600cc.

It looks like a rocket, doesn't it? Now a nice white stripe down the middle...

Isn't the price a bit high though? Is it better than the XJ600 in terms of power delivery/torque?
I know my old XJ400 (God rest its soul) was pretty mild-mannered... :yawn:

[Phantom Limb]

The XJR400 is designed for learners but comes with the Brembo breaks and Ohlins rear shocks, so should be quite sporty.

Price wise, I agree, she's a bit steep, but they don't seem to come up for sale often in NZ with the sports package. Only around 53Hp and 177Kg, so you're not likely to get into trouble ;)

[willytheekid]

...I can't wait to see what Tig gets :clap:

certainly a buyers market out there, and great to see so many KBers with such good taste in bikes...older, sexy, and wanting a good owner type of bikes ;)

[Tigadee]

Just saw this:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-502124584.htm

And this:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-502142337.htm


The XJR400 is designed for learners but comes with the Brembo breaks and Ohlins rear shocks, so should be quite sporty.
Price wise, I agree, she's a bit steep, but they don't seem to come up for sale often in NZ with the sports package. Only around 53Hp and 177Kg, so you're not likely to get into trouble ;)

So it'd be LAMS complaint?

[ducatilover]

What's a (leaking) valve cover gasket?

The rocker cover/valve cover, no big deal, easy/cheap to do.

...and its only two metric ton! :killingme

My pick from that lot for Tigadee would have to be the Kawasaki GPZ500 (the 600 is cooler) great commuter, reliable and excellent value, scoot along okay too

The XJR400 is designed for learners but comes with the Brembo breaks and Ohlins rear shocks, so should be quite sporty.

Price wise, I agree, she's a bit steep, but they don't seem to come up for sale often in NZ with the sports package. Only around 53Hp and 177Kg, so you're not likely to get into trouble ;)
The Ohlins on them is poo.
Lovely bikes though, I love how the Japs went retro with the XJR4/CB400/ZRX400, bloody awesome machines they are

[Tigadee]

My pick from that lot for Tigadee would have to be the Kawasaki GPZ500 (the 600 is cooler) great commuter, reliable and excellent value, scoot along okay too

In that case, how about this one?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-500551467.htm

[ducatilover]

No linky bro??????

[HenryDorsetCase]

Been told too fast for me, will end up killing myself...



Again it's that paying an extra $100 a year just for a measley 50cc over, on top of the high price tag of a decent condition SV650.



Yes, this one is on my radar... Thanks.

Heres the thing though: that 100 is nothing. $2 a week. I bought a scooter (a 125) which is superb for its intended purpose. You can carry a weeks worth of groceries onand in it, it costs nothing to run, is nimble round town blah de blah. $2k investment. Rego is $477/yr.

I dont like riding it and am going to sell it. It is not a motorbike and there is no joy in starting it up and going anywhere. It may as well be the fridge or microwave for all the emotional attachment I have for it. So Ima sell it and buy either an ADV bike (a DR650 most likely) or a cruiser. They cost $523 or so a year to register. So the registration cost difference just shouldnt be a factor in determining what you ride. You have to ride what you like riding.

Either that or dont bother registering it at all as a political statement. they wont allow me to register the scroter presently becausethe wof has run out......

[HenryDorsetCase]

The rocker cover/valve cover, no big deal, easy/cheap to do.

My pick from that lot for Tigadee would have to be the Kawasaki GPZ500 (the 600 is cooler) great commuter, reliable and excellent value, scoot along okay too

The Ohlins on them is poo.
Lovely bikes though, I love how the Japs went retro with the XJR4/CB400/ZRX400, bloody awesome machines they are

for that money in that price range a tidy VFR400 NC30 is a way better bike. Pretty committed riding position though so outside your criteria

[HenryDorsetCase]

...I can't wait to see what Tig gets :clap:

certainly a buyers market out there, and great to see so many KBers with such good taste in bikes...older, sexy, and wanting a good owner type of bikes ;)

I am all of those things. Oh wait, you're talking about bikes.... as you were.

[Tigadee]

I am all of those things. Oh wait, you're talking about bikes.... as you were.

You're wanting a good owner?

[ducatilover]

In that case, how about this one?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-500551467.htm
Do it.


for that money in that price range a tidy VFR400 NC30 is a way better bike. Pretty committed riding position though so outside your criteria Kinda why I haven't mentioned it. :lol:

[HenryDorsetCase]

You're wanting a good owner?

if mistress approves

[willytheekid]

Just saw this:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-502124584.htm

Yum!...nice bikes those monsters (servicing isnt as bad as some people make out...just more frequent!)





My pick from that lot for Tigadee would have to be the Kawasaki GPZ500 (the 600 is cooler) great commuter, reliable and excellent value, scoot along okay too


Good spoting mate, yeah I liked that one too!:yes:, bloody great bikes those, really good "allrounders" and everything else you said

...this is fun! :corn:

[Tigadee]

My pick from that lot for Tigadee would have to be the Kawasaki GPZ500 (the 600 is cooler) great commuter, reliable and excellent value, scoot along okay too


Good spoting mate, yeah I liked that one too!:yes:, bloody great bikes those, really good "allrounders" and everything else you said

I will definitely consider these...

I'm trying to get my head around the ergonomics of these GPZs. How similar are they? 400, 500, 600 and the 900?

[Maha]

Getting close to getting my Full, and I'm getting tired of the 250 cruiser.

Your opening few words say alot...let me explain.
You will soon get tied of anything older/less the a 600...
While it seems to be the natural progression/order of things, it does not always apply. I went from a GN250 to a YZF600...and soon wanted bigger, like inside 8 months or so.

If you can afford to but what you really want...advice is to do so.
That XJ600? cunt of a bike.
What is your approx $$$ limit?

[nzspokes]

Get the 600 Bandit.

[Maha]

Get the 600 Bandit.

...or a 650...I tend to agree..great bikes that you can ride all day and mountains of fun.

[Tigadee]

If you can afford to but what you really want...advice is to do so.
What is your approx $$$ limit?

What do I really want? Really really want? A 1200 Bandit... A CB1300... XJR1200... VF700 Super Magna...

Question for me though is: Will I really make use of all those horses? Commuting? A weekend blat once in a while? I figure a 400-600cc would be sufficient for commuting and the ocassional hooning for years. Later on I could always add a larger bike for two-up touring like those I just listed...

Approx budget's about $5k. I know for that I could already get a Bandit 1200, there are a few for $4k!

For the commuting I'd even be happy enough with a 250 exept most of them are too small for me and they are way ridiculously priced right now...

[willytheekid]

I will definitely consider these...

I'm trying to get my head around the ergonomics of these GPZs. How similar are they? 400, 500, 600 and the 900?

GPZ400 - inline4 (screamer) bit under powered tho, have to rev the nuts off them to get them to move fast, not the best loaded up or two up
GPZ500- parallel twin (thumper) GREAT engines!, sound good and a nice power spread, very nice bikes that will do most things asked of them
GPZ600 - inline4 (another screamer lol) better than the 400, good strong engines with a great howl to them, really good all-rounder (and great looking)

Oh...and the GPZ900! (which I actually owned, a2 model...heavily modified, to the point it was mental!)...complete ANIMAL in its day (one of the fastest produced)

-really great bikes the lot of them :yes:, very easy to work on and really well made.

[Tigadee]

I think that GPZ500 will remain on my list. The 400 and 600 are not my cup of tea...

[Maha]

What do I really want? Really really want? A 1200 Bandit... A CB1300... XJR1200... VF700 Super Magna...

Question for me though is: Will I really make use of all those horses? Commuting? A weekend blat once in a while? I figure a 400-600cc would be sufficient for commuting and the ocassional hooning for years. Later on I could always add a larger bike for two-up touring like those I just listed...

Approx budget's about $5k. I know for that I could already get a Bandit 1200, there are a few for $4k!

For the commuting I'd even be happy enough with a 250 exept most of them are too small for me and they are way ridiculously priced right now...

Those bigger bikes?...they will do anything you ask of them...I owned a CB1300 and would have one again.
All I will say is that, if your budget will stretch to what you really want? go for, you wont regret that decision, and thats from personal experience.

[Tigadee]

All I will say is that, if your budget will stretch to what you really want? go for, you wont regret that decision, and thats from personal experience.

I know what you mean...

In my hey day, I could have settled for any ol' gal but I stretched and got my wife instead! (Hope she sees this so I can bonus points and get a :yes: for the new bike...:killingme )

Seriously though, you would have me get a CB1300 or Bandit 1200 and make it do so mundane and tedious a task as shifting my butt from A to B everyday and only once in a while tearing it up on the open roads? Won't it be like buying a V8 just to drive to the office everyday?

[Phantom Limb]

I know what you mean...

In my hey day, I could have settled for any ol' gal but I stretched and got my wife instead! (Hope she sees this so I can bonus points and get a :yes: for the new bike...:killingme )

Seriously though, you would have me get a CB1300 or Bandit 1200 and make it do so mundane and tedious a task as shifting my butt from A to B everyday and only once in a while tearing it up on the open roads? Won't it be like buying a V8 just to drive to the office everyday?

I bought an XJR1300 and I use it to commute to work every single day.
Best decision I've made regarding choice of steed. Okay my commute is a lengthy one (100Km / day) and involves quite a few nice twisty back roads, but even if I did live in the city, I'd still have the 1300.

Yes it is just like having a muscle car to drive to the office every day, but so what! Don't think that a big motor = unwieldy, the XJR for example lane splits happily and can boot in and out of gaps as efortlessly as the 250's I've piloted. In first 2nd and 3rd gear it will trundle along with the throttle closed at idle, something my 250 could never do!

Go for the big block! There is everything to gain and no real down side. Fuel wise I use about $18 per week more than a 250 (around a 35% increase), that to me is nothing to cry about and the advantages out weigh the cost.

[Maha]

I bought an XJR1300 and I use it to commute to work every single day.
Best decision I've made regarding choice of steed. Okay my commute is a lengthy one (100Km / day) and involves quite a few nice twisty back roads, but even if I did live in the city, I'd still have the 1300.

Yes it is just like having a muscle car to drive to the office every day, but so what! Don't think that a big motor = unwieldy, the XJR for example lane splits happily and can boot in and out of gaps as efortlessly as the 250's I've piloted. In first 2nd and 3rd gear it will trundle along with the throttle closed at idle, something my 250 could never do!

Go for the big block! There is everything to gain and no real down side. Fuel wise I use about $18 per week more than a 250 (around a 35% increase), that to me is nothing to cry about and the advantages out weigh the cost.

There is your answer Tigadee....^

''Not after something super-fast, as long as it can more than easily overtake and handle motorway speeds up to 130kph. Commuting and joy rides, not track days, that's me''...

....and Your criteria fits.

[Tigadee]

:scratch: In many threads I've seen, lots of the experienced guys have told those graduating to a Full license to refrain from jumping onto a near-litre, litre or larger bike. Here I have most of them telling me to head straight for the big 'uns! Your crystal balls telling you something I don't know? (Mine stopped working after the numbing experience on the current bike's seat...)

Now if someone else also said that I should do that because with LAMS, those bike I'm looking at are going up in price, then that will certainly weight the argument towards the big bikes... :blip:

[Phantom Limb]

I think that once you get your full and have done sufficient saddle time through your Learners and Restricted, the choice of what bike to get should be determined by your maturity.
If you are a teenager who's just got your full and don't know how to ride without grabbing throttle every time you see another bike (re: another challenger) then I'd say stick to a 400 /650 until you grow up.
However if you're mature enough to shake your head and tsk when a squid comes flying by at 2 x the speed limit, then I say why not get something with a big pair of balls?
Anything with a nice upright 'standard' seating position and enough torque to allow you to short shift and ride in a relaxed manner when required will be just fine for commuting.
Having enough power in reserve to slow doen the earth's rotation for a moment can only be a bonus as long as you're grown up enough to keep your throttle hand in check. ;)

The same logic does not apply if you go and by a race rep 1000cc rocket though. The murderous power delivery, crouched position and tiny wee bars on which you can get next to no leverage is not going to help you ease into the world of bigger capacity bikes!

[mossy1200]

:scratch: In many threads I've seen, lots of the experienced guys have told those graduating to a Full license to refrain from jumping onto a near-litre, litre or larger bike. Here I have most of them telling me to head straight for the big 'uns! Your crystal balls telling you something I don't know? (Mine stopped working after the numbing experience on the current bike's seat...)

Now if someone else also said that I should do that because with LAMS, those bike I'm looking at are going up in price, then that will certainly weight the argument towards the big bikes... :blip:

If your shortish and want a lower seat height then gs1200ss are good. they have a bandit motor with lower tune good even predictable power and a understressed engine.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-498617664.htm

theres one almost at reserve but maybe search for a lower km one at 30-35tho

[bogan]

Question for me though is: Will I really make use of all those horses? Commuting? A weekend blat once in a while? I figure a 400-600cc would be sufficient for commuting and the ocassional hooning for years.

Its not about the horses (well, on public roads it shouldn't be anyway), but about the overall quality, comfort, handling etc. Manufacturers generally put more effort into the bigger bikes. There are damn good bikes out there for 5k, if you want something long term, get one for around 3-4k, and spend the rest on getting it to tick your boxes.

600 il4 has plenty of power, and is lightweight, they just lack class imo. Now a 647 vtwin on the other hand, has enough power, and plenty of class :D

I've kind of just been glancing through the thread, have you listed what you like in a bike? (riding style, fairings, engine type etc), as well as what you want it to do?

[Maha]

:scratch: In many threads I've seen, lots of the experienced guys have told those graduating to a Full license to refrain from jumping onto a near-litre, litre or larger bike. Here I have most of them telling me to head straight for the big 'uns! Your crystal balls telling you something I don't know? (Mine stopped working after the numbing experience on the current bike's seat...)

Now if someone else also said that I should do that because with LAMS, those bike I'm looking at are going up in price, then that will certainly weight the argument towards the big bikes... :blip:

Just an option is all.
Those 1200/1300/1400cc nakeds are around the 110-114hp..nowhere near the 150+hp of a 1litre sports bike, of which, most would agree not to get, coming off a 250 cruiser.

[NinjaNanna]

Great value at the asking price - but am open to reasonable offers

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=500301664

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/24/226683324_full.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/10/226683310_full.jpg

[Fast Eddie]

most would agree not to get (1000cc sports bike) coming off a 250 cruiser.

speak for yourself :D

dooo it

[Tigadee]

Thanks to some sensible logic, I've opened my choices up to above 600cc bikes, BUT on principle, I will not entertain 650cc bikes. I still disagree with paying an extra 100 gold coins annually for a pitiful 50cc more.

Bogan - Yes, I have in my first post... in red.

Ninjananna - I see you that beauty and I raise you a watchlist...

Mossy1200 - It's not that I'm short... I'm on the cruiser 'cos the Venox is one of the few 250 learner bikes that's big enough and comfortable to take me. I also love its looks [body of a Fat Boy and tail of a VRod], and the exhaust mod done to it makes it sound like a lot bigger engined. I had planned to keep it but I can get good money for it which can go towards a bigger, more spirited and suitable bike.

[bogan]

Thanks to some sensible logic, I've opened my choices up to above 600cc bikes, BUT on principle, I will not entertain 650cc bikes. I still disagree with paying an extra 100 gold coins annually for a pitiful 50cc more.

Bogan - Yes, I have in my first post... in red.

Hmmm, guess I probly should have looked at that one :p

The obvious choice is still a bros 650, or ducati M900 (though reliability might count that out), I'm sure there would be some torquey tandem twins and inline 4s out there too, but non spring to mind for me.

If a pitiful 50cc more means you get a better bike than an extra 400cc more, it seems stupid to go the extra 400 just on principal.

[neels]

Great value at the asking price - but am open to reasonable offers

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=500301664

What do you think of the old kwaka? Only asking as I've seen it on trademe, and I've just bought one for $200 as a bit of a project.


Thanks to some sensible logic, I've opened my choices up to above 600cc bikes, BUT on principle, I will not entertain 650cc bikes. I still disagree with paying an extra 100 gold coins annually for a pitiful 50cc more.
I can see where you're coming from on the rego cost, it was a factor among other things when I bought my DRZ400 instead of a DR650, which would matter more if the rego wasn't on hold.

You mentioned an XJ600, I rode one for a few years often 2 up with luggage and it was great if you don't mind an older bike, but don't buy the red one that was linked to there's too many things that just look a bit wrong about it.

Don't be scared off by more cc's there are plenty of rideable big bikes, I rode a 1200 bandit and found it too boring so bought a 900 ducati v-twin instead. One of the main factors I looked at was weight, I'd rather have a lower hp lighter bike to chuck around than a peaky heavy pig.

In summary, ignore all of the above and ride some bikes, when you find one you like post it here to see if there's any compelling reason why you shouldn't buy it.

[Tigadee]

The obvious choice is still a bros 650, or ducati M900 (though reliability might count that out), I'm sure there would be some torquey tandem twins and inline 4s out there too, but non spring to mind for me.

The naked muscle bikes? Bandit 1200? CB1300? CB1000? ZRX1100?

That old V4 Sabre also has a rep for delivering smooth power at any rpm. Only thing I read that its suspension is weak and finding replacements might be hard/expensive.

How about them FJ1200/FJ1100s? They seem to be exceptionally low priced for the large capacity touring bikes?

Are these worth considering?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-498948476.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-478602259.htm

Thanks Neels! I love the Ducs but am not much of a mechanic [yet] so not sure about them... Will a newer Duc mean better reliability?

[bogan]

The naked muscle bikes? Bandit 1200? CB1300? CB1000? ZRX1100?

That old V4 Sabre also has a rep for delivering smooth power at any rpm. Only thing I read that its suspension is weak and finding replacements might be hard/expensive.

How about them FJ1200/FJ1100s? They seem to be exceptionally low priced for the large capacity touring bikes?

Are these worth considering?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-498948476.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-478602259.htm

Thanks Neels! I love the Ducs but am not much of a mechanic [yet] so not sure about them... Will a newer Duc mean better reliability?

New ducs mean they have more elecity bits, and they aren't known for being good at those things.

Maybe a Hornet?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-500541541.htm

[Maha]

Maybe a Hornet?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-500541541.htm

Now theres a definate!...once again, a bike that ticks all of Tigadees boxes.
As for an older bike?...that Kawasaki of NinjaNana is the best of the rest.

[bogan]

Now theres a definate!...once again, a bike that ticks all of Tigadees boxes.

For 5k I'd want to see some non-blurry photos before committing! Mind you, I'd want to take it for a blat first as well.

[Maha]

For 5k I'd want to see some non-blurry photos before committing! Mind you, I'd want to take it for a blat first as well.

The Ohlins alone must be worth that much.....:killingme

[caseye]

I'd run with the sabre or that FJ900 you've just posted up. But remember you'll be for about 3-4 hundy to get those God Awful pipes sorted out at a Powder coaters or similar.
Course I'm a bit! biased towards a good ol coal burning Yammy!

[neels]

The naked muscle bikes? Bandit 1200? CB1300? CB1000? ZRX1100?

How about them FJ1200/FJ1100s? They seem to be exceptionally low priced for the large capacity touring bikes?

Are these worth considering?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-498948476.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-478602259.htm

Thanks Neels! I love the Ducs but am not much of a mechanic [yet] so not sure about them... Will a newer Duc mean better reliability?
Most of the nakeds have well proven engines tuned for torque rather than peak hp so are very rideable

FJ11's had some issues, FJ12's are pretty bulletproof but are a heavy old beast to ride around town. Same applies to the bigger XJ's, no real issues but a bit on the heavy side.

Never quite sure about CBX's, honda are good at trying different things some of which work and some don't, sometimes they get a camchain to work.

The main thing that puts people of the duc's is the servicing, desmo valves and belts cost money to maintain (money that people should spend on camchains and valve shims on jap bikes but never do)


New ducs mean they have more elecity bits, and they aren't known for being good at those things.
I love the ducati electrical reputation, it keeps the dickheads off them and means I can buy a low mileage one for less than the equivalent jap bike, so far mine has cost me a battery and a headlight bulb. It's the same reason I've got a driveway full of euro cars that I paid bugger all for that part for part cost less to maintain than a toyota.

[Tigadee]

I'd run with the sabre or that FJ900 you've just posted up. But remember you'll be for about 3-4 hundy to get those God Awful pipes sorted out at a Powder coaters or similar.

Hey Mark. Was wondering when you'd throw in your 2 cents.

The XJ900? Nice old retro bike, aye? I could see myself on it... And it's got a chromed rack - I'm sure that appeals to you! :laugh:

The Sabre is very attractive, especially the reports on its engine and power delivery. BUT the suspension troubles mentioned here (http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/~rblander/V4_info.html) make me hesitant...


Now theres a definate!...once again, a bike that ticks all of Tigadees boxes.

AND it's blue! I like blue...


The Ohlins alone must be worth that much.....

So is it true I could sell off the Ohlins and recoup a significant part of the price paid for the bike?

[mossy1200]

So is it true I could sell off the Ohlins and recoup a significant part of the price paid for the bike?

3k is a joke. They will be worth more on your bike than selling them.

[Tigadee]

Heh! Thanks, Mossy1200.

[ducatilover]

I will definitely consider these...

I'm trying to get my head around the ergonomics of these GPZs. How similar are they? 400, 500, 600 and the 900?
Completely different to the other GPZs. Nicer to pootle on if you're a nana, nice twin. I'd rather ride my bike though, but there is a tiny amount of bias there

If your shortish and want a lower seat height then gs1200ss are good. they have a bandit motor with lower tune good even predictable power and a understressed engine.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-498617664.htm

theres one almost at reserve but maybe search for a lower km one at 30-35tho Nice bike those, go for ever and a day



600 il4 has plenty of power, and is lightweight, Yes!
they just lack class imo. No!
Now a 647 vtwin on the other hand, has enough power, and plenty of class :D


Maybe :bleh:
The Bros is a great bike, I can't argue that :weep:

If you can spend up to 5k, go GSF12/XJR/CB13 hunting! Stuff the CBX750s.

[Tigadee]

Howza bout dis?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=502232435

[ducatilover]

Have yet to ride one of them, I would expect it to be rather comfy and torquey though.

[ducatilover]

One of these, spend the rest on a set of bar risers http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-492547298.htm

[Tigadee]

One of these, spend the rest on a set of bar risers http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-492547298.htm

Not after a fully faired bike... Or one that's black. I'm off black bikes...

Thanks anyway.

[NinjaNanna]

What do you think of the old kwaka? Only asking as I've seen it on trademe, and I've just bought one for $200 as a bit of a project...

It's a great bike, for me I like the old school styling of it - definately the best of the era.

Mechanically they are simple and go forever, 100,000km on mine and still got strong even compression across all cyclinders. Oil cooled so less to go wrong and means they are designed to last.
Comfortable riding position. My wife says it the best bike we've had for pillioning - even better than the 2 late model VFR's I've owned previously.
Dual discs on the front pull you up just fine.
Standarding gearing you'll see 200km/hr before redline, comfortably cruise at 120km/hr all day long, comfortably supports lapses in judgement of 140-160km/hr :devil2:
If I was to say it had one short coming it would be only having five gears rather than 6. Changing the front sprocket is a widely praised mod that totally allieviates this but I haven't been inclined to do so.

In my ridding career I've owned, 1991 ZZR250, 1998 VFR 800, 2003 VFR800, 1995 ZX9R, 2004 R1 and the Zephyr. We've also had a ZR250 Balius for my wife. I've loved every Kawasaki we've ever owned but for me it's toss up between the Zephyr and the 1995 ZX9R as my favourite. I love the Zephyr because it's capable on group rides but doesn't look like a quick bike and as such the peer pressure to ride fast doesn't exist. I also love the Zephyr because it's not a lot of money invested in a hobby, I don't need to feel bad that it only goes out a dozen times a year (that was a major issue with the $10,000 worth of R1 in the garage previous to it)

So yes I really like my Zephyr, there's every chance my next bike when we get to OZ will be the 1100 Zephyr or ZZR, but I certainly wouldn't pass up another 750 for the right money.

check out http://www.zephyr-zone.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl it's a Zephyr only forum with some very nice restorations, my favour is this one http://www.zephyr-zone.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1300555814

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f123/J7MGX/paintwork015.jpg

[ducatilover]

Not after a fully faired bike... Or one that's black. I'm off black bikes...

Thanks anyway.
I didn't think you'd like it, I had to post it purely because I want it :baby:
Have you considered a GS500?
Actually, if you're buying something beige, the Bandit is the way to go, probably be a fantastic commuter, but you can be a little more interesting without sacrificing ride-ability

[HenryDorsetCase]

I didn't think you'd like it, I had to post it purely because I want it :baby:
Have you considered a GS500?
Actually, if you're buying something beige, the Bandit is the way to go, probably be a fantastic commuter, but you can be a little more interesting without sacrificing ride-ability

Or, you could build something:

http://www.wrenchmonkees.com/motorcycles/monkee-45.html

[ducatilover]

Or, you could build something:

http://www.wrenchmonkees.com/motorcycles/monkee-45.html
Sounds like me! That 750 is blimmin gorgeous.

[Tigadee]

Have you considered a GS500?
Actually, if you're buying something beige, the Bandit is the way to go, probably be a fantastic commuter, but you can be a little more interesting without sacrificing ride-ability

:scratch: You call the Bandit beige and you're recommending a GS500?! :tugger:

Right, I have two 'either-or' plans of action now (with what resources I have at hand and what choices there are to be found):

1. Short-term/immediate plan: Yamaha XJ900 (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=478602259) or Suzi GSX750 ES (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=490739602).
Cheap and cheerful (hopefully), no beauty contest winners here but that's not a priority, just reliability. Yamaha's got shaft drive and same weight as the Suzi. Both have pack racks, easy to pay off and would be decent rides.

2. Long-term plan: Sell off the Venox (or trade-in) and get a Hornet 900, Zephyr or Bandit.

[ducatilover]

:scratch: You call the Bandit beige and you're recommending a GS500?! :tugger:
:devil2: Ducatilover works in mysterious ways

[NinjaNanna]

Ninjananna - I see you that beauty and I raise you a watchlist...

That's nice - so when you coming round to look at it :niceone: the tyres won't be new and the service fresh forever.