Grrrrrrr... Fucking Microsoft.

[slofox]

OK

We have the Vista machine back from computer hospital, all working fine again after a re-install of Vista.

Now I have to re-install Office 2010. It reckons the key code is registered to "another user" of the machine. This is probably true since I bought the puter second hand.

Is there a work-around for this or do I stick with Libreoffice?

[SMOKEU]

OK

We have the Vista machine back from computer hospital, all working fine again after a re-install of Vista.

Now I have to re-install Office 2010. It reckons the key code is registered to "another user" of the machine. This is probably true since I bought the puter second hand.

Is there a work-around for this or do I stick with Libreoffice?

Send me a PM with your email address and I'll email you a fix for it.

[steve_t]

I thought Office 2010 was able to be licenced to up to 3 computers.

[Akzle]

you poor/dumb bastard.

vista is poo. you should have "downgraded" to XP.

if you google for "download microsoft office 2010 crack/serial" i'm sure you'll find something.

i use open office. 'cos M$ is mega$hit.
the other option is phoning microsoft tech support and explaining your situation to them. it'll be a pain in the a55. but they'll give you another number to punch in which'll sort you out.

[angelindisguise]

Im not a computer tech but if you can id suggest either go back to windows xp or upgrade to windows 7... so many people i know (not myself though) have had shit with vista....

[slofox]

you poor/dumb bastard.

vista is poo. you should have "downgraded" to XP.

if you google for "download microsoft office 2010 crack/serial" i'm sure you'll find something.

i use open office. 'cos M$ is mega$hit.
the other option is phoning microsoft tech support and explaining your situation to them. it'll be a pain in the a55. but they'll give you another number to punch in which'll sort you out.


Im not a computer tech but if you can id suggest either go back to windows xp or upgrade to windows 7... so many people i know (not myself though) have had shit with vista....

Yes I am aware of the shortcomings of vista and will upgrade (or downgrade) one day. But I am working only half a job just now so have only half an income. Any spare money (there's none anyway) will go on bike gas.

[steve_t]

I don't think spending money to change away from Vista is worth it. Maybe if you can get XP for free, it'd be worth the change. I work with about 7 computers that run XP, 1 Vista, and 1 on Win7. Not much difference between the XP and Vista computers for me, but the W7 computer does seem more stable (it's faster and newer though). I don't think I've ever had an issue with Vista but I also turned off the UAC from day 1.
Slofox, who's purveying fine wines to Hamiltron the rest of the time?

[onearmedbandit]

Drop Vista like a hot potatoe, as recommended go back to XP or upgrade to 7.

[Sable]

OpenOffice.org

[Gremlin]

I thought Office 2010 was able to be licenced to up to 3 computers.
Depends on the version of Office. There's Home and Business retail and OEM, Home and Student retail and OEM. There's also Professional and probably a few others, but those are the ones I deal with... slofox you're gonna have to be more specific.

Depending on your version and licence usage, you can just ring up Microsoft and explain it's a re-install.

[slofox]

Slofox, who's purveying fine wines to Hamiltron the rest of the time?

Primo Vino is the last remaining bastion of quality now...Hamilton Wine Co is still there but has changed hands so who knows what will happen to them?

[slofox]

Depends on the version of Office. There's Home and Business retail and OEM, Home and Student retail and OEM. There's also Professional and probably a few others, but those are the ones I deal with... slofox you're gonna have to be more specific.

Depending on your version and licence usage, you can just ring up Microsoft and explain it's a re-install.

It's "Office home and Business 2010" and it is one of those key card jobs...I'll phone Microshit next week - when they come back to work after their weekend of lounging around on their fat arses...:angry:

[Gremlin]

It's "Office home and Business 2010" and it is one of those key card jobs...I'll phone Microshit next week - when they come back to work after there weekend of lounging around on their fat arses...:angry:
Right, so single licence, OEM. Tell them you're re-installing after re-installing the OS and it should be fine.

[iYRe]

also.. turning UAC off is like parking your bike on queen st and leaving the keys in it.

[Scuba_Steve]

It's "Office home and Business 2010" and it is one of those key card jobs...I'll phone Microshit next week - when they come back to work after their weekend of lounging around on their fat arses...:angry:

you'll be calling Bangalore India, so I wouldn't worry to much about their weekend 1 they're not on it yet & 2 I don't think they get one

[slofox]

you'll be calling Bangalore India, so I wouldn't worry to much about their weekend 1 they're not on it yet & 2 I don't think they get one

They have an Auckland number. They are closed for the weekend - I tried 'em yesterday.

[p.dath]

OK

We have the Vista machine back from computer hospital, all working fine again after a re-install of Vista.

Now I have to re-install Office 2010. It reckons the key code is registered to "another user" of the machine. This is probably true since I bought the puter second hand.

Is there a work-around for this or do I stick with Libreoffice?

There is usually a link with an 0800 number you can use to call Microsoft. Tell them you have had the machine re-imaged, and they'll usually give you a new code you can use.

[mashman]

Dunno if this'll help ya at all (http://support.microsoft.com/common/survey.aspx?scid=sw;en;1844&showpage=1)

[scracha]

FFS the linux hippies on here spout some shite. Ring the 0800 number the software pops up with (0800 676 334 I think)

Nobody in bangalore, it's all punching in numbers on your telephone. Takes all of 5 minutes.

Vista...yeah...it's kinda shite. Should've asked local tech to install a "trial" version of windows 7 but that's called hindsight. Without UAC, speeshal efects disabled, auto updates set to "manual" and latest service pack it's reasonably ok.

[YellowDog]

I had a recent experience with Vista that took 55 minutes to resolve.

I turned on the PC to play 'Night Garden' for my son before bed.

Unfortunately there were updates pending :facepalm:

[Brian d marge]

FFS the linux hippies on here spout some shite. Ring the 0800 number the software pops up with (0800 676 334 I think)

Nobody in bangalore, it's all punching in numbers on your telephone. Takes all of 5 minutes.

Vista...yeah...it's kinda shite. Should've asked local tech to install a "trial" version of windows 7 but that's called hindsight. Without UAC, speeshal efects disabled, auto updates set to "manual" and latest service pack it's reasonably ok.

Having just read the thread , I didnt see anything about Linux ....but using linux , for all my computing needs , ,,,can I say one thing then I promise I wont say another word ,promise .

that licence thing is a pain in the arse , ,so glad I dont have to deal with it

There

Ill be quiet now

Stephen

ps what wrong with libre office or what ever they call it now

[NighthawkNZ]

OK
Is there a work-around for this or do I stick with Libreoffice?

OpenOffice.org? and I think but could be wrong, Libreoffice is based on OpenOffice.org.

We use at work and at home and has had no problem opening any MS Documents

[Akzle]

OpenOffice.org? and I think but could be wrong, Libreoffice is based on OpenOffice.org.

We use at work and at home and has had no problem opening any MS Documents

iiiiiiiii'm pretty sure i covered this. and everything else that's been said. ...
on page 1. ...
shortly after the OP.


but aaaaaanyway. asides from a (very) few problems with docx and more, xlsx, open office shits all over M$. and it's free. and it shits all over M$. for free.

[pete376403]

OpenOffice.org? and I think but could be wrong, Libreoffice is based on OpenOffice.org.

We use at work and at home and has had no problem opening any MS Documents
MS Office has problems opening MS Documents - if the converters aren't installed.
trying to get work to update to a more modern version of Office, but its a bit of a hard sell. When the average office worker is using outlook, word and excel, and Office 2k does this for the most part reasonably well, management can't really see the benefit of spending about $500 per seat to get office 2010 so the average office worker can use outlook, word and excel. And office 2013 is just around the corner FFS.
Office 2000, 2003, 2007, 2010. Has productivity for users *really* gone up by the amount that these "upgrades cost?
(Oh and I tried to steer the boss towards Linux - he's American and wouldn't have anything to do with godless communists)

[Gremlin]

When the average office worker is using outlook, word and excel, and Office 2k does this for the most part reasonably well, management can't really see the benefit of spending about $500 per seat to get office 2010
Uh... when last did you update your computers? :blink: Most licences are OEM, ie, for that PC. New PC, new licence.

Jaysus, got rid of the last 2000 several years ago... wait, I lie, there is 1 or 2, virtualised that have simple but crucial jobs. Outlook 2000 was rather limiting in pst files, getting unstable with only 10-20k of emails in the inbox. That said actually, even 2010 behaves like a crippled dog when it hits 8GB ish.

edit: Office 2010 H&B is more like $320 per seat, as long as you only have the basic requirements.

[scracha]

I had a recent experience with Vista that took 55 minutes to resolve.

I turned on the PC to play 'Night Garden' for my son before bed.

Unfortunately there were updates pending :facepalm:
Thus the bit I'd posted about disabling automagic updates on Vista.



Having just read the thread , I didnt see anything about Linux ....but using linux , for all my computing needs , ,,,can I say one thing then I promise I wont say another word ,promise .

Oh come on....SMOKEU, Axzlewhitzizface and the usual suspects were on the case. At least no dorks posted "Get a mac, it just works" etc etc.



that licence thing is a pain in the arse , ,so glad I dont have to deal with it

That having to be careful about what hardware will work with my computer is a PITA, so glad I don't have to deal with it.
That having to restrict my choice of software to about 5% of what's available on Window is a PITA, so glad I don't have to deal with it.



ps what wrong with libre office or what ever they call it now
[/quote]
For 90% of users, nothing. That's probably why Microshaft have been forced to provide Office Starter for free with Win 7 (presumably Win 8 too) which is fine for 90% of users.

Don't get me wrong. I use Linux a LOT for file, proxy, web and mailservers (and even run VM's with wait for it....Windows) but it's just not suitable for jo public workers desktop. Once I find a distro where I can go 6 months without using a command shell then my opinion will change.

[Brian d marge]

Thus the bit I'd posted about disabling automagic updates on Vista.



Oh come on....SMOKEU, Axzlewhitzizface and the usual suspects were on the case. At least no dorks posted "Get a mac, it just works" etc etc.


That having to be careful about what hardware will work with my computer is a PITA, so glad I don't have to deal with it.
That having to restrict my choice of software to about 5% of what's available on Window is a PITA, so glad I don't have to deal with it.

For 90% of users, nothing. That's probably why Microshaft have been forced to provide Office Starter for free with Win 7 (presumably Win 8 too) which is fine for 90% of users.

Don't get me wrong. I use Linux a LOT for file, proxy, web and mailservers (and even run VM's with wait for it....Windows) but it's just not suitable for jo public workers desktop. Once I find a distro where I can go 6 months without using a command shell then my opinion will change.

they must have been shifted to pd

Ive struck , incompatible hardware once , possibly twice wifi dongle and cannon printer ( but just used a different driver ) the dongle I couldnt resolve , and recieved a ban from the ubuntu forum ' from a kiwi !) , shortly afterwards they produced a list of things that worked

Honestly all been good this end , the few cock ups have been my doing and the forum usually sorted it.

when I really cocked up , live cd , files onto another hd , reinstall , 30 min odd

CAD, is an area where Linux falls down , but hey its free ,, and err works

Stephen

[Scuba_Steve]

Oh come on....SMOKEU, Axzlewhitzizface and the usual suspects were on the case. At least no dorks posted "Get a mac, it just works" etc etc.


Get a mac it just works etc etc


...Happy now :sunny:

[Bald Eagle]

. Has productivity for users *really* gone up by the amount that these "upgrades cost?


In the govt environment I support I think productivity went down when they "upgraded" to Office2007. The users couldn't find anything in the new ribbon menus. :rofl:

[SMOKEU]

Once I find a distro where I can go 6 months without using a command shell then my opinion will change.

6 months with no bash shell?! Fuck that! I use command line Windows just about every day so that's a bit hard to imagine.

As for Office 2010, it's free. Download a torrent of it then download KMS activator and it's free for 180 days before you have to reactivate it which is done with a few clicks of a mouse and takes about 30 seconds.

[Gremlin]

As for Office 2010, it's free. Download a torrent of it then download KMS activator and it's free for 180 days before you have to reactivate it which is done with a few clicks of a mouse and takes about 30 seconds.
:facepalm: Perhaps you need reminding that some of us do this as a job. Advising clients to do this would be stupid. Get caught and they're in the jump big time for piracy. Company owners like to avoid business risk, not collect as much as they can...

[iYRe]

:facepalm: Perhaps you need reminding that some of us do this as a job. Advising clients to do this would be stupid. Get caught and they're in the jump big time for piracy. Company owners like to avoid business risk, not collect as much as they can...

not to mention.. its not exactly expensive.. most places sell anyone the student edition for stuff all

[Gremlin]

not to mention.. its not exactly expensive.. most places sell anyone the student edition for stuff all
Student ID is supposed to be required and used for students... breach of licence to use in businesses. H&B is actually quite cheap... Pro is a bit of a jump up, especially if you're only after Publisher...

[steve_t]

I bought MS Office 2010 last year because we needed to keep up and be able to handle docx documents. Shortly after, openoffice released support for docx etc. It's always the way!

[iYRe]

supposed to, but they rarely do any more. Seen Dick Smiths, Harvey Normans, JBHIFI, PBTECH, etc all sell them with no ID.

JB HIFI were selling a 3 licence version of H&B for 180$

We get NPO pricing.. heh.. very handy.

Scracha; you could try FUDUNTU.. I dont use Ubuntu any more since they force us to use unity (except on my laptop, where it seems fine.. strangely). But I havent had to use terminal on my box for ages.. I only use it because I choose to (because its better.. :P)

[avgas]

I got my copy from digital river for about $120 (3 license)

Its worth signing up with a polytech/uni for a $100 paper and getting office discounted to almost nothing.

[pete376403]

Uh... when last did you update your computers? :blink: Most licences are OEM, ie, for that PC. New PC, new licence.

OEM licence for the OS with a new PC, sure, but not for the application. Microsoft all but give away the OS to get the application hook-in and Office is where they make their money.

Yes we have some old clunkers here, (only a few with office 2k, mostly office 2k3 and some office2010) but again, when they work more or less OK, try and convince the boss that giving MS $55000 is going to make the bottom line look so much better - would much rather spend the money on new servers, SQL and stuff that really makes a difference.

[pete376403]

:facepalm: Perhaps you need reminding that some of us do this as a job. Advising clients to do this would be stupid. Get caught and they're in the jump big time for piracy. Company owners like to avoid business risk, not collect as much as they can...
Agree - we've been audited by Microsoft and it cost a fair bit (just to get compliant, not fines or penalties), there wasn't any deliberate attempt to avoid licensing, just the usual things that fall through the cracks.

[Gremlin]

Agree - we've been audited by Microsoft and it cost a fair bit (just to get compliant, not fines or penalties), there wasn't any deliberate attempt to avoid licensing, just the usual things that fall through the cracks.
I think the sheer fact Microsoft outsources their licensing to Accordo should be proof enough...

God it's a pain in the arse, even when you have the correct numbers, they insist otherwise.

[slofox]

Just in case anyone is still wondering, I did eventually get it re-installed. After two calls to Microshifty (answered from Bangalore of course) I got it sorted.

Have to agree with those who complain about the licence thing. It has become stupid - barely worth the effort.

[Akzle]

...I use Linux a LOT for file, proxy, web and mailservers (and even run VM's with wait for it....Windows) but it's just not suitable for jo public workers desktop. Once I find a distro where I can go 6 months without using a command shell then my opinion will change.
you need to learn to build better. i've had a stable linux install since they released buntu 8. only time i CLI is when i feel like doing uber-fast network shift, or h4cking my windows installs when i forget passwords.

I bought MS Office 2010 last year because we needed to keep up and be able to handle docx documents. Shortly after, openoffice released support for docx etc. It's always the way! yes well. a team of highly paid microsoftware engineers doesn't often do the linux community the favour of a heads-up on their code.
DIDDUMS.


Just in case anyone is still wondering, I did eventually get it re-installed. After two calls to Microshifty (answered from Bangalore of course) I got it sorted.

Have to agree with those who complain about the licence thing. It has become stupid - barely worth the effort.
no-one was still wondering. thanks anyway.
install linux now. =)

[steve_t]

Just in case anyone is still wondering, I did eventually get it re-installed. After two calls to Microshifty (answered from Bangalore of course) I got it sorted.

Have to agree with those who complain about the licence thing. It has become stupid - barely worth the effort.

Ah well. At least it's sorted now :niceone:

[awa355]

I work for a Govt dept, which has just upgraded the PC system. The co. doing the installation of the new software/programmes etc, has an offer to staff to purchase 2010 office (business version) at a really low rate.

For a home laptop, would this have much to offer? or would it just take up heaps of HD space? I would be looking at some simple editing of photos, video clips and putting my Family History into a book form. I also write a few short articles and stories ( none of which ever get completed)

I currently have Windows 2007 with all the bits and pieces, and open office 3.3 installed. Would Office 2010 just be more of the same?

In my family research stuff, I do get e mailed, files that are docx. format. from a word web app. I can download them but can't open the files. So I open them on line and print / scan to the PC. Clicking on the downloaded icon, A window comes up saying windows cannot find this file.

Surely, if I knew where to look, my laptop should open this format?

[oneofsix]

I work for a Govt dept, which has just upgraded the PC system. The co. doing the installation of the new software/programmes etc, has an offer to staff to purchase 2010 office (business version) at a really low rate.

For a home laptop, would this have much to offer? or would it just take up heaps of HD space? I would be looking at some simple editing of photos, video clips and putting my Family History into a book form. I also write a few short articles and stories ( none of which ever get completed)

I currently have Windows 2007 with all the bits and pieces, and open office 3.3 installed. Would Office 2010 just be more of the same?

In my family research stuff, I do get e mailed, files that are docx. format. from a word web app. I can download them but can't open the files. So I open them on line and print / scan to the PC. Clicking on the downloaded icon, A window comes up saying windows cannot find this file.

Surely, if I knew where to look, my laptop should open this format?

Have a look at that offer, it will tell you what you get with it. It sounds mainly like you will be getting stuff you don't use, like powerpoint etc. It will allow you to open the docx but there are add ons to convert docx files into doc files, lose some docx formatting that probably isn't used in the files you are grabbing anyhow. The only other advantage is keeping current and continued support.

btw I have taken advantage of a similar deal where I work but mainly so my daughter has a legal copy for her studies where she is likely to use more of the programmes than I would at home.

[NordieBoy]

Oh come on....SMOKEU, Axzlewhitzizface and the usual suspects were on the case. At least no dorks posted "Get a mac, it just works" etc etc.

Get a Mac, install linux on it, it just works.

[awa355]

Have a look at that offer, it will tell you what you get with it. It sounds mainly like you will be getting stuff you don't use, like powerpoint etc. It will allow you to open the docx but there are add ons to convert docx files into doc files, lose some docx formatting that probably isn't used in the files you are grabbing anyhow. The only other advantage is keeping current and continued support.

btw I have taken advantage of a similar deal where I work but mainly so my daughter has a legal copy for her studies where she is likely to use more of the programmes than I would at home.

Thanks for your help. Things like Powerpoint, Excel, onenote ( what ever the hell that is, keeps coming up on my printer options),are already on the PC. I rarely ever open them up.

The docx files I recieve, are only text documents mainly. I can open them on line in this word web app but cant 'save as' them in another format.

The simplist format I have for storing and opening information is a 4B exercise book. So easy to use. :nya:

[oneofsix]

The simplist format I have for storing and opening information is a 4B exercise book. So easy to use. :nya:

:yes: doesn't require as strict backup routine as it wont just crash for no obvious reason and doesn't suffer power failures, get hacked, worms, virus etc etc and you don't have to battle some programme to get the formatting the way you want it.

[Gremlin]

If you have Excel and PowerPoint already, then you already have Office (unless it's the pre-installed one, and needs a key to activate). Can you open them successfully? If so, as it opens, it will tell you what it is, ie, Excel 2007 etc.

[avgas]

Get a Mac, install linux on it, it just works.
#KILL ALL and it does.

[NordieBoy]

#KILL ALL and it does.
"killall" works better.

[Akzle]

I work for a Govt dept
you poor bastard.

Surely, if I knew where to look, my laptop should open this format? you need to sort out your file associations. i'm sure the internet will tell you how. windows blows.
else, right-click and choose "open with" and see what comes up. there should be an option somewhere to "always open files of this type with this program"


The docx files I recieve, are only text documents mainly. I can open them on line in this word web app but cant 'save as' them in another format.

tell the bastards to work in open source formats.
(or save in .doc)

srsly. people need to start boycotting microshit.