Where have all the Post Classic race bikes gone?

[Duke girl]

Just amazed on how small the Post Classic classes have become this year and the reasons why this has happened. I'm talking about the VMCC Winter Series. There were so many more Racing Post Classics last year and l guess it comes down to money and a lack of it.
Your thoughts on this.

[neil_cb125t]

Well the change in classes to 0-400, 401-600, and 600 and above didn't work now did it???

digs aside

Tis a shame, there literally is no ristrictions on what you can or can't run - the weather has been amazing the last few rounds. The meetings are being run so well that everyone is getting their track time in, full races and finishing at 4pm!!! There are plenty of bikes out there just sitting. The Classes at the club allow pretty much any bike to be raced, the rounds and being run so well, has to be either 1 or 2 things.

1) No one can spend money on racing their bikes right now
2) People are bored at running round and round manfeild short course........

Ditch the 2 day meeting and Taupo, run long track once or twice - the wall 'issue' is rubbish, Taupo's last turn is far worse yet where going there.

[codgyoleracer]

Just amazed on how small the Post Classic classes have become this year and the reasons why this has happened. I'm talking about the VMCC Winter Series. There were so many more Racing Post Classics last year and l guess it comes down to money and a lack of it.
Your thoughts on this.

I suddenly got old and slow

[AllanB]

They probably crashed all those old dogs and decided it is not worth the $!!!!!!

[miper]

Had to miss the last couple of rounds through work committments but all good (bikes good but the rider maybe not so much!!!!)for the rest.
I guess others are in the same boat?

[neil_cb125t]

I suddenly got old and slow

maybe - or is it that red thing you were riding, messing up your feng shui?

[Grumph]

Can't answer for the Norf Island, but I'm in the middle of my third pre 82 build of the winter....plenty of interest dahn here.
The SI is particularly strong in small posties - Levels and Rupuna suit them well and we often see large battle groups form.

It will be interesting to see what the turnout for the National classes is like this season. Budgets are suffering at the expensive end of the sport which is why IMO posties and in particular pre 82's are still going well here.

[RobGassit]

maybe - or is it that red thing you were riding, messing up your feng shui?

After seeing you ride over Ernie's head they are all too scared to race with you.:laugh:

[Kickaha]

Can't answer for the Norf Island,

The Norf have this absurd idea that Pre89 are posties though and seem to forget that was Pre82

[rustys]

I suddenly got old and slow

:laugh: Thats a load rubbish Glen, i am on the pension and still doing it.

I wish i had more competition to play with, the first round started of great but down to 3 bikes now in Rnd 4.

I still like the idea of the 3 classes in Posties though, as its an opportunity for the 400cc stock bikes to get back in and have a go, with very little expense costs, now that times are tougher.

Thirteen started the series in F3 but a few have crashed out and have had mechanical failures, as expected, but its worth keeping the F1/2 and 3 class going as far as i'm concerned.

[tail_end_charlie]

I've been looking at giving the whole racing thing a go, and was thinking that PC (pre '89 class) might be the best avenue. I was also considering Clubmans, but I kinda wanna keep my 675 as a road bike and get a dedicated trackbike to race with. Mainly I was thinking either a VFR-400 or a ZXR-400 (and yes, I know about the package deal for one)because they have a good rep for being great handling bikes, and also not dumping me into a 600 classes.

Its either that or go for a MC-22 and go for the Mini-lite class. I've been told by a few people that its a really good idea to start with the 250's so that you learn how to take the best lines and maintain corner speed without relying on gobbs of power to improve laptimes.


Anyways, not trying to hyjack the thread, just wanted to seek some advice about the possibility of getting into the PC racing, so that's more or less on subject........................................... .right???

[steveyb]

For me, the reasons are:
Having lost 3 mates and an acquaintance recently to racing crashes I decided to hang up leathers. Been doing it since 1987, no need to carry on for me, young family and all that;
Having a bike in the shed that cost money every time I opened the door made no sense;
Selling said bike for $16k made financial sense;
No real income to pay to race it anyway.

[crazy man]

Just amazed on how small the Post Classic classes have become this year and the reasons why this has happened. I'm talking about the VMCC Winter Series. There were so many more Racing Post Classics last year and l guess it comes down to money and a lack of it.
Your thoughts on this.eveyone heard l was turning up and took of

[Duke girl]

So it's all your fault Crazy Man. :bash:

[rustys]

I've been looking at giving the whole racing thing a go, and was thinking that PC (pre '89 class) might be the best avenue. I was also considering Clubmans, but I kinda wanna keep my 675 as a road bike and get a dedicated trackbike to race with. Mainly I was thinking either a VFR-400 or a ZXR-400 (and yes, I know about the package deal for one)because they have a good rep for being great handling bikes, and also not dumping me into a 600 classes.

Its either that or go for a MC-22 and go for the Mini-lite class. I've been told by a few people that its a really good idea to start with the 250's so that you learn how to take the best lines and maintain corner speed without relying on gobbs of power to improve laptimes.


Anyways, not trying to hyjack the thread, just wanted to seek some advice about the possibility of getting into the PC racing, so that's more or less on subject........................................... .right???

VFR / ZXR and FZR 400s are all good bikes for Pre 89 F3. You can still pick these up from about $1800 - $2500
Costs to run are relativley cheap, 1 x set slicks per season (approx 10 race meetings) oil change and filters, entries and expenses to and from meetings.
I started on a good set of road tyres so thats a good starting option till you get organised, with tyre warmers wets etc.

The Minilite 250s are good, and the Honda MC22 is a great fun and reliable bike, they get around Manfield as quick as a 400, but if you are anything over the 70kg mark in weight, go for the 400s, as the 250 is rather cramped.

Good luck.

Also with the 400s if you want you can cross enter into F3. where as the Minilite 250s only race in one class no cross entry. Minilites are only run by the Victoria and Pacific M/c clubs.

[crazy man]

So it's all your fault Crazy Man. :bash:codgyoleracer new l am as fast as him on my 400 as his 1000 so thats why he took of lol

[scracha]

1) No one can spend money on racing their bikes right now

Mostly



2) People are bored at running round and round manfeild short course........

kinda was getting that way but I've taken a long break....lol. That said, yeah....there must be a way of making the track more "interesting". Hell....lob in some cone chicanes to slow things down on the more dangerous bits of the long track. Likewise with reverse short track.

The 400 thing...yeah....would've worked but I don't think it was advertised very well to the whordes of pissed off 400 owners who used to race them but got farked off by cheating buggers on 450's and 6 hundies :facepalm:

[malcy25]

Mainly I was thinking either a VFR-400 or a ZXR-400

If you do go Kwaka, and want to run pre 89, just mae sure you don't get a latter model ZXR400 that is not eligible...can;t remember model codes, but ya will need to look for one that has the e-box frame.

Kick, I didn't realise there was a time difference for the south Island....but it looks like 10 years from what you are saying:killingme

Don't worry though when you get further North where we have the sense to mosly race in the warmer months, pre 82 is very alive and kicking!:cold:

Maybe (being serious) every one is getting their bikes ready for he Bazza Sheene at labour weekend?

[tail_end_charlie]

VFR / ZXR and FZR 400s are all good bikes for Pre 89 F3. You can still pick these up from about $1800 - $2500
Costs to run are relativley cheap, 1 x set slicks per season (approx 10 race meetings) oil change and filters, entries and expenses to and from meetings.
I started on a good set of road tyres so thats a good starting option till you get organised, with tyre warmers wets etc.

Good to know.


The Minilite 250s are good, and the Honda MC22 is a great fun and reliable bike, they get around Manfield as quick as a 400, but if you are anything over the 70kg mark in weight, go for the 400s, as the 250 is rather cramped.

Yeah, I should be around 70kg in full kit, hence seriously looking into the 250s.



Also with the 400s if you want you can cross enter into F3. where as the Minilite 250s only race in one class no cross entry. Minilites are only run by the Victoria and Pacific M/c clubs.

Yep, thats the downside to getting a MC-22. I've been told by multiple people that track time is the most important thing for someone just starting off, and being able to cross enter two classes would definately be a positive for the 400.

[Grumph]

Kick, I didn't realise there was a time difference for the south Island....but it looks like 10 years from what you are saying:killingme

Don't worry though when you get further North where we have the sense to mosly race in the warmer months, pre 82 is very alive and kicking!:cold:

Maybe (being serious) every one is getting their bikes ready for he Bazza Sheene at labour weekend?

Harden up, racing involves getting out there and supporting your club - which we are very good at down here....

I'm seriously worried about pre 82 entries for Greymouth - you guys have possibly stuffed up one of the best race wekends on probably the best street circuit in NZ by arranging the BS at HD on the same weekend....We'll see who's been tempted North by the thrill of being lapped by Aussies whose travel costs are less than theirs.....

[suzuki21]

I suddenly got old and slow

Suddenly?........................................h ahahahahahahahahaha

[suzuki21]

I gave up racing my replica 1980 GS1000R Formula 1 bike in 2004. I built the bike as close as I could to Rob Mcalnaes F1 bike, even spent $1000 to have front disc carriers made to look the same (like the plastic fantastic). After being congratulated for my effort by lower north island people for my efforts, wanker AUCKLANDERS said "it is not the original bike and you may be excluded from entering the TT next time"
Then when I moaned - they said my bike should have a 1000cc motor not a 750 (was running a 810cc 1980 GSX750 motor from my road bike) Am I the only person in the world to be disqualified for having a motor TOO SMALL? I was doing it for fun, I really miss racing the lower north island pre 82 guys.

[Skunk]

Hopefully Bridgestone Winter Series gets more entries in these classes.
The way it's going VMCC is going to have to change things. It can't keep going like it is.

More importantly I'm planning on racing the bike I'm building in the class! Don't let it die!

[neil_cb125t]

After seeing you ride over Ernie's head they are all too scared to race with you.:laugh:

50/50 me wanting to beat him/him diving head first under my bike:innocent:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Here's a cool one someone should buy and race!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221105751896?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

[neil_cb125t]

I gave up racing my replica 1980 GS1000R Formula 1 bike in 2004. I built the bike as close as I could to Rob Mcalnaes F1 bike, even spent $1000 to have front disc carriers made to look the same (like the plastic fantastic). After being congratulated for my effort by lower north island people for my efforts, wanker AUCKLANDERS said "it is not the original bike and you may be excluded from entering the TT next time"
Then when I moaned - they said my bike should have a 1000cc motor not a 750 (was running a 810cc 1980 GSX750 motor from my road bike) Am I the only person in the world to be disqualified for having a motor TOO SMALL? I was doing it for fun, I really miss racing the lower north island pre 82 guys.

Unfourtunatly i have experiences sim gayneUnfortunately i have experienced sim gayness from Postie 'rulers' or people who walk into your garage, look at your machine then walk away without even saying who they are. bunch o wankers some come be. HOWEVER before those people got involved (in my life)it was an amazing fun class, and the double entry into f3 was also good.

[sidecar bob]

I gave up racing my replica 1980 GS1000R Formula 1 bike in 2004. I built the bike as close as I could to Rob Mcalnaes F1 bike, even spent $1000 to have front disc carriers made to look the same (like the plastic fantastic). After being congratulated for my effort by lower north island people for my efforts, wanker AUCKLANDERS said "it is not the original bike and you may be excluded from entering the TT next time"
Then when I moaned - they said my bike should have a 1000cc motor not a 750 (was running a 810cc 1980 GSX750 motor from my road bike) Am I the only person in the world to be disqualified for having a motor TOO SMALL? I was doing it for fun, I really miss racing the lower north island pre 82 guys.

Nope. Back in the olden days, (early '70's) the guys in the 350 class would enter the 500 class & sometimes clean up, only to be disqualified for being 349cc. They fixed it by having over bored barrells to 354cc to prevent from being disqualified.
But yeah, pretty sad.
I can hardly wait to see how my fairly well prepared Katana 1100ish will be recieved. Suffice to say, I am building it with the rule book in one hand.

[codgyoleracer]

Suddenly?........................................h ahahahahahahahahaha

Hey, respect for the aged young man, - Is your thing big enough to qualify now ? (your bike i mean)

[macclan]

Can't answer for the Norf Island, but I'm in the middle of my third pre 82 build of the winter....plenty of interest dahn here.
The SI is particularly strong in small posties - Levels and Rupuna suit them well and we often see large battle groups form.

It will be interesting to see what the turnout for the National classes is like this season. Budgets are suffering at the expensive end of the sport which is why IMO posties and in particular pre 82's are still going well here.

pre 82 has died out in the lower north because they only run pre89 at winter series and if ur running a pre 82 bike like mine its hard to compete even more so under the new classes my 1980 350 lc has to run in f2 its not even going to be able to compete in f3pre89 so whats the point of entering f2 the class i have to travel further north to race in a pre 82 class might have to move to an area where real post classic bikes are raced

[Crasherfromwayback]

I gave up racing my replica 1980 GS1000R Formula 1 bike in 2004. I built the bike as close as I could to Rob Mcalnaes F1 bike, even spent $1000 to have front disc carriers made to look the same (like the plastic fantastic). After being congratulated for my effort by lower north island people for my efforts, wanker AUCKLANDERS said "it is not the original bike and you may be excluded from entering the TT next time"
Then when I moaned - they said my bike should have a 1000cc motor not a 750 (was running a 810cc 1980 GSX750 motor from my road bike) Am I the only person in the world to be disqualified for having a motor TOO SMALL? I was doing it for fun, I really miss racing the lower north island pre 82 guys.

I too have had bad experiences with AMCC. Bunch of upthemselvesretards when I was involved in rr. Hopefully they're better sorted now. Wouldn't be hard.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I can hardly wait to see how my fairly well prepared Katana 1100ish will be recieved. Suffice to say, I am building it with the rule book in one hand.

I'd love to join you. But I din't win lotto.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330779399894?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

[eelracing]

The Classes at the club allow pretty much any bike to be raced, the rounds and being run so well, has to be either 1 or 2 things.

1) No one can spend money on racing their bikes right now
2) People are bored at running round and round manfeild short course........


Totally agree and there should be more use of the long track.

If the club want more numbers in Posties I would cross-enter to make up the numbers for more laps of the the long track...I did it last year and it was well worth the protest:innocent:

[sidecar bob]

I'd love to join you. But I din't win lotto.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330779399894?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Thats cheap compared to where im at.

[Skunk]

pre 82 has died out in the lower north because they only run pre89 at winter series and if ur running a pre 82 bike like mine its hard to compete even more so under the new classes my 1980 350 lc has to run in f2 its not even going to be able to compete in f3pre89 so whats the point of entering f2 the class i have to travel further north to race in a pre 82 class might have to move to an area where real post classic bikes are raced
Pre82's are welcome in the Bridgestone Winter Series.
You'll be racing with the stuff-all F1 bikes, stuff-all F2 bikes and stuff-all F3 bikes. I'm sure one of them will be your pace to race against. The lap times were 1:15 to 1:37 this round.

Couple of years ago VMCC ran Pre 89, Pre 82 and Pre72. We got ONE pre 72 and TWO Pre82. I was one of the Pre82 bikes but someone was upset about my '83 forks so I moved. Still hard fun racing the Pre72 bike...

If you WANT Pre82 first thing to do is enter into ANY class you fit (Pre89 as 82 is before 89) and then (when you have a few) show VMCC the numbers you have. It doesn't work the other way around.

Clubs can't make classes and hope people turn up. Look at the 90's carbies class. Five entries over three classes. It took years for the Minilites to get enough entries too.

VMCC may have to mix the 90's with the Pre89's to sustain the grid size.

Hopefully the bikes start turning up. That's what I would like.

[Skunk]

Totally agree and there should be more use of the long track.

If the club want more numbers in Posties I would cross-enter to make up the numbers for more laps of the the long track...I did it last year and it was well worth the protest:innocent:
Speaking as VMCC Race VP for a moment:
Long track is out. No one will pay what's needed to run long track. Two Ambulances (now twice the price they were last year), Marshals (just can't get enough), track hire costs, and lastly the Air Fence (we HAVE to use it now and it costs dearly as it needs to be transported from Hampton Downs).

We're talking about an extra $7k roughly. Plus the extra marshals we just can't get. And as of October the marshals must be qualified. Currently we don't have enough qualified marshals and there is no training being done in the lower NI for them either.

If one of you has pockets that deep please send an email to race@vicclub.co.nz as I'd love to do it next year!

[scracha]

pre 82 has died out in the lower north because they only run pre89 at winter series and if ur running a pre 82 bike like mine its hard to compete even more so under the new classes my 1980 350 lc has to run in f2 its not even going to be able to compete in f3pre89 so whats the point of entering f2 the class i have to travel further north to race in a pre 82 class might have to move to an area where real post classic bikes are raced

Why not run it? A well ridden LC350 is a bleedin weapon and would piss all over 99% of the pre89 400's and 90% of the 600's. You'll find someone to have a dice with for sure. Maybe a few other pre82 guys will also take heed.

[slowpoke]

I'd love to join you. But I din't win lotto.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330779399894?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Bastard....you're a bigger prick tease than my bloody missus!

[slowpoke]

pre 82 has died out in the lower north because they only run pre89 at winter series and if ur running a pre 82 bike like mine its hard to compete even more so under the new classes my 1980 350 lc has to run in f2 its not even going to be able to compete in f3pre89 so whats the point of entering f2 the class i have to travel further north to race in a pre 82 class might have to move to an area where real post classic bikes are raced

Kinda tough....but kinda not. As Skunk mentioned the only way things are gonna change is if people support the class. Ring around, stir up a few mates and things just might snowball. That's the way it's working with BEAR's. I like BEAR's, but wasn't a supporter of the separate class structure...all the same I now find myself with a wee "small block" Duc in the shed...how'd that happen?! FYI, it was that or a post classic/pre-89 bike, so get out and support the class and you just never know where things might end up. At the end of the day you're out there racing, which has gotta be better than mowing the lawns with the bike in the shed, eh?

[malcy25]

I gave up racing my replica 1980 GS1000R Formula 1 bike in 2004. I built the bike as close as I could to Rob Mcalnaes F1 bike, even spent $1000 to have front disc carriers made to look the same (like the plastic fantastic). After being congratulated for my effort by lower north island people for my efforts, wanker AUCKLANDERS said "it is not the original bike and you may be excluded from entering the TT next time"
Then when I moaned - they said my bike should have a 1000cc motor not a 750 (was running a 810cc 1980 GSX750 motor from my road bike) Am I the only person in the world to be disqualified for having a motor TOO SMALL? I was doing it for fun, I really miss racing the lower north island pre 82 guys.

Steve.

The only issue I recall was your carbs way back when 2001? I'm not sure about the rest of the bullshit you heaped with but I thought you done a good job.

I'd get the thing out again and ride. There's nothing in the rule book that says you can't build a GS1000R / XR69 and then put a GSX motor in it. In fact, I've seen quite a few these days and if all the bits otherwise fit the age cut off or replication rule, no one has a point to argue!

Ps: I'm an Aucklander. We're not all wankers.

[RobGassit]

Kinda tough....but kinda not. As Skunk mentioned the only way things are gonna change is if people support the class. Ring around, stir up a few mates and things just might snowball. That's the way it's working with BEAR's. I like BEAR's, but wasn't a supporter of the separate class structure...all the same I now find myself with a wee "small block" Duc in the shed...how'd that happen?! FYI, it was that or a post classic/pre-89 bike, so get out and support the class and you just never know where things might end up. At the end of the day you're out there racing, which has gotta be better than mowing the lawns with the bike in the shed, eh?

Winter Series BEARS started right here on KB. Power to the people!!:woohoo: Now if they could just get over their allergy to Motards we would be living the dream.

[_STAIN_]

The club no longer caters for a large number of PC riders who were just happy to be there for the social event as field fillers. There is a need for a PC Clubmans class or go back to Tim's way of grades classes A,B,C and D if required.

[Skunk]

Winter Series BEARS started right here on KB. Power to the people!!:woohoo: Now if they could just get over their allergy to Motards we would be living the dream.To be honest if it wasn't with F2 it wouldn't be run as the support is small. It does however provide a good cross entry class for many of the F1 bikes.

VMCC doesn't have an 'allergy to Motards'... nor for any other class. We do have a lack of support for some classes.

To explain why we currently say no to Motards:
We need to provide track time for the entry fee. Adding a class that needs it's own grid means something else has to give.

The number of laps (Are 4 lap races OK?)
Number of races (Two races only per meeting?)
Drop an existing grid completely (Drop Post Classics, Clubmans or Minilites/Prolites/Streetstock? They are the smallest classes. It doesn't make economic sense as that's a drop in entries numbers which will require an entry fee increase.)


VMCC had four requests to run Motards in the last two years and had four Motards on the grid last time we ran them.
Each new Grid requires 60 minutes to be found in the programme currently.

FYI: We run 6 grids = 6 hours of track time. Track is available from 9 to 4:30 = 7.5 hours. Lunch = 0.5 hour. So if nobody breaks down, nobody crashes, no red flags, no oil leaks, perfect starts, nobody 'wastes' any minute of the day we could fit another Grid in. I have NEVER seen any meeting have that happen. :eek5: Last meeting is an example. We lost 45 minutes with the multiple issues at the start of the F1 race.
And don't even think about the marshals not getting a break. They aren't machines. Without them we can forget even discussing what classes are running... :yes: Three things need to come together each meeting: Marshals, Officials, Racers. Without enough of each there is nothing. None is more important than the other.

Let us make it very clear: There is no 'allergy' to ANY class. It just needs to be supported by the riders throughout the Series.

On a personal note: Post Classics is MY class; and I'm looking at the field getting smaller and smaller and smaller...

[RobGassit]

To be honest if it wasn't with F2 it wouldn't be run as the support is small. It does however provide a good cross entry class for many of the F1 bikes.

VMCC doesn't have an 'allergy to Motards'... nor for any other class. We do have a lack of support for some classes.

To explain why we currently say no to Motards:
We need to provide track time for the entry fee. Adding a class that needs it's own grid means something else has to give.

The number of laps (Are 4 lap races OK?)
Number of races (Two races only per meeting?)
Drop an existing grid completely (Drop Post Classics, Clubmans or Minilites/Prolites/Streetstock? They are the smallest classes. It doesn't make economic sense as that's a drop in entries numbers which will require an entry fee increase.)


VMCC had four requests to run Motards in the last two years and had four Motards on the grid last time we ran them.
Each new Grid requires 60 minutes to be found in the programme currently.

FYI: We run 6 grids = 6 hours of track time. Track is available from 9 to 4:30 = 7.5 hours. Lunch = 0.5 hour. So if nobody breaks down, nobody crashes, no red flags, no oil leaks, perfect starts, nobody 'wastes' any minute of the day we could fit another Grid in. I have NEVER seen any meeting have that happen. :eek5: Last meeting is an example. We lost 45 minutes with the multiple issues at the start of the F1 race.
And don't even think about the marshals not getting a break. They aren't machines. Without them we can forget even discussing what classes are running... :yes: Three things need to come together each meeting: Marshals, Officials, Racers. Without enough of each there is nothing. None is more important than the other.

Let us make it very clear: There is no 'allergy' to ANY class. It just needs to be supported by the riders throughout the Series.

On a personal note: Post Classics is MY class; and I'm looking at the field getting smaller and smaller and smaller...
All fair points but I was referring to F3's allergy to Motards. I should have been more specific but it was a throw away comment. No offence intended.

[malcy25]

The club no longer caters for a large number of PC riders who were just happy to be there for the social event as field fillers. There is a need for a PC Clubmans class or go back to Tim's way of grades classes A,B,C and D if required.

Eh? Given:
1) the NZPCRA like all clubs is always looking for members
2) The NZPCRA only run one event per year
3) are generally reliant on other clubs running classes at their meetings
4) has not changed anything with regards to the direction which has excluded the "field fillers"

I think you comment is nugatory and without factual basis. Care to explain what you are actually trying to say?

I think you are better served by recognising that people come and go in classes or race with they can. Low investment(I buy a cheap bike), low self requirement to make use of said investment.

[codgyoleracer]

All fair points but I was referring to F3's allergy to Motards. I should have been more specific but it was a throw away comment. No offence intended.

Why not start your own post on that subject Robbittybob, - My vote went to keep them in with F3 (as long as the bars were changed) , which for me was the only real "safety issue", if there was one at all.

[Duke girl]

The club no longer caters for a large number of PC riders who were just happy to be there for the social event as field fillers. There is a need for a PC Clubmans class or go back to Tim's way of grades classes A,B,C and D if required.

+1 Graded classes would make closer Racing and be exciting for the Spectators to watch.

[codgyoleracer]

Eh? Given:
1) the NZPCRA like all clubs is always looking for members
2) The NZPCRA only run one event per year
3) are generally reliant on other clubs running classes at their meetings
4) has not changed anything with regards to the direction which has excluded the "field fillers"

I think you comment is nugatory and without factual basis. Care to explain what you are actually trying to say?

I think you are better served by recognising that people come and go in classes or race with they can. Low investment(I buy a cheap bike), low self requirement to make use of said investment.


Factual basis ?, This is KB Al !!!!!!!!!! :-) , Dontcha know we all make it up as we go along on here, but like watchin you ride around a racetrack :-)..............

[Skunk]

All fair points but I was referring to F3's allergy to Motards. I should have been more specific but it was a throw away comment. No offence intended.
None taken. I'm always happy to explain why VMCC do things as we do.

[Skunk]

+1 Graded classes would make closer Racing and be exciting for the Spectators to watch.Sorry Skip but I disagree. I look at Graded (Bracket) racing this way:
Say you have a rider who is very slow in the corners but on a litre bike running in the same class as a 250cc who maintains corner speed but has nothing left for the straights. (The situation they had at the test day on Friday)
That cannot be safe as these two bikes are running at vastly different speeds all over the track but have equal lap times. And a litre bike with an unskilled rider on track with slower bikes is the worst thing I can imagine.

I had this happen to me at a track day - and I'm not fast on my 350... but I did manage to pass and leave behind a Gixxer 1000.

[Skunk]

Factual basis ?, This is KB Al !!!!!!!!!! :-) , Dontcha know we all make it up as we go along on here, but like watchin you ride around a racetrack :-)..............
You might. But you're only a part timer... so no one's listening. :shifty:

[Clivoris]

It's a bloody mystery to me. As Skunk stated, VMCC offered pre 82 as a seperate class and simply didn't get the numbers. Same with Motards. Same with Carbies class. I'm constantly tempted to get into pre-89 F3. Somebody give me some money. Its absence is what stops me.

[Billy]

Sorry Skip but I disagree. I look at Graded (Bracket) racing this way:
Say you have a rider who is very slow in the corners but on a litre bike running in the same class as a 250cc who maintains corner speed but has nothing left for the straights. (The situation they had at the test day on Friday)
That cannot be safe as these two bikes are running at vastly different speeds all over the track but have equal lap times. And a litre bike with an unskilled rider on track with slower bikes is the worst thing I can imagine.

I had this happen to me at a track day - and I'm not fast on my 350... but I did manage to pass and leave behind a Gixxer 1000.

Yip and I can get you off the hook there Skunk,

As long as I'm roadrace commissioner,There will be NO bracket racing for the exact reasons you state.

[RobGassit]

Yip and I can get you off the hook there Skunk,

As long as I'm roadrace commissioner,There will be NO bracket racing for the exact reasons you state.

Sorry Skippy, looks like even Billy won't let you run F1 on your two fiddy.

[macclan]

Why not run it? A well ridden LC350 is a bleedin weapon and would piss all over 99% of the pre89 400's and 90% of the 600's. You'll find someone to have a dice with for sure. Maybe a few other pre82 guys will also take heed.

ive been racing them for ever and at tracks like taupo where performance isnt as important i agree ive won pre 89 races and even pushed the big bangers but at any track with drag strips straights thats a different thing
i know that the class is dropping in numbers and has been for a few years now its a shame
but for me i want to race to try and win in a class not ride around and make numbers up
thats why im moving over to f3 this summer and just ride the lc at the odd event up north where feilds are larger
i think that numbers will never return

[Robert Taylor]

It's a bloody mystery to me. As Skunk stated, VMCC offered pre 82 as a seperate class and simply didn't get the numbers. Same with Motards. Same with Carbies class. I'm constantly tempted to get into pre-89 F3. Somebody give me some money. Its absence is what stops me.

Its all Glenn Williams fault. Fast vrider turns up on fast bike with well sorted Swedish suspenders. Goalposts moved.

[scracha]

Its all Glenn Williams fault. Fast vrider turns up on fast bike with well sorted Swedish suspenders. Goalposts moved.

Are YSS swedish?

[malcy25]

Dontcha know we all make it up as we go along on here, but like watchin you ride around a racetrack :-)..............
sssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, so I slip off once in a blue moon!

[suzuki21]

Steve.

The only issue I recall was your carbs way back when 2001? I'm not sure about the rest of the bullshit you heaped with but I thought you done a good job.

I'd get the thing out again and ride. There's nothing in the rule book that says you can't build a GS1000R / XR69 and then put a GSX motor in it. In fact, I've seen quite a few these days and if all the bits otherwise fit the age cut off or replication rule, no one has a point to argue!

Ps: I'm an Aucklander. We're not all wankers.

I used flatslides at Manfield and borrowed my mates CR's when heading north as it was a fair complaint. The other stuff was just picky stuff from little bitches. Oh - not all Aucklanders are wankers.

[codgyoleracer]

Its all Glenn Williams fault. Fast vrider turns up on fast bike with well sorted Swedish suspenders. Goalposts moved.

Robert, - How to win friends and influence people in the NZ race paddock:

1) Turn up in flash car & Trailer
2) Roll out a limited edition bike
3) Prance about the pits lookin like you know what your doin
4) Smile and talk to everyone
5) Do well in a few races
6) Repeat the above for 20 Years or so


I just wish i could slip in the dolly brollies there somwhere on that list, but i was hit with the ugly stick many years ago............

GW

[Robert Taylor]

Are YSS swedish?

I think you need to look again at what is fitted to Glenns Bimota

[Robert Taylor]

Robert, - How to win friends and influence people in the NZ race paddock:

1) Turn up in flash car & Trailer
2) Roll out a limited edition bike
3) Prance about the pits lookin like you know what your doin
4) Smile and talk to everyone
5) Do well in a few races
6) Repeat the above for 20 Years or so


I just wish i could slip in the dolly brollies there somwhere on that list, but i was hit with the ugly stick many years ago............

GW

There are a few of us that embrace business success ( where speculation isnt involved ) Good on you!

[Duke girl]

Sorry Skippy, looks like even Billy won't let you run F1 on your two fiddy.

May have to turn the charm on a bit more then by the sounds of things..........As you were. :)

[lukemillar]

Well the change in classes to 0-400, 401-600, and 600 and above didn't work now did it???

To be honest, the only people have have been disadvantaged were those running 450s and I'm not sure who that is or if there are really that many (apart from Eamon who is still turning up!)

I missed rnd 4 because I was/am on holiday, but will be back for rnd 5

[neil_cb125t]

To be honest, the only people have have been disadvantaged were those running 450s and I'm not sure who that is or if there are really that many (apart from Eamon who is still turning up!)

I missed rnd 4 because I was/am on holiday, but will be back for rnd 5

Eamons leadin the championship now........ its just made each class smaller - back when it was 600 and less the feilds was massive, also third place when i won it was a Kr250 :-)

Be good to see you out there thou dude!

[rustys]

[QUOTE=neil_cb125t;1130384748]Well the change in classes to 0-400, 401-600, and 600 and above didn't work now did it???


I can't really understand why it has'nt worked, the F3 bike is cheap bike to run, there are plenty of them around, and also a good starting off point for riders to get out and have a go. At the start of the season there were 9 in F3, now there are about 3 left, so i would not critisize the class yet, give it some time to get rolling.
Its the sign of the times, i can almost bet its a money issuie with lots of people out there at this time, when things get tight the toys have to go.

Definatley the right way to go, it would not have made any difference if the class was left like last year, we would have the same results.

[roadracingoldfart]

Sorry Skip but I disagree. I look at Graded (Bracket) racing this way:
Say you have a rider who is very slow in the corners but on a litre bike running in the same class as a 250cc who maintains corner speed but has nothing left for the straights. (The situation they had at the test day on Friday)
That cannot be safe as these two bikes are running at vastly different speeds all over the track but have equal lap times. And a litre bike with an unskilled rider on track with slower bikes is the worst thing I can imagine.

I had this happen to me at a track day - and I'm not fast on my 350... but I did manage to pass and leave behind a Gixxer 1000.

So running P/C senior bikes and P/C junior bikes together is now not safe ????

[roadracingoldfart]

Yip and I can get you off the hook there Skunk,

As long as I'm roadrace commissioner,There will be NO bracket racing for the exact reasons you state.

Read my previous post !!!!

[roadracingoldfart]

Its all Glenn Williams fault. Fast vrider turns up on fast bike with well sorted Swedish suspenders. Goalposts moved.


Are YSS swedish?


SWEDISH !!!!!! hes a blonde big boobed bloody barmain and he can ride a bike fast too. I hate Glen Williams for that. Whats more hes from Palmy so case dismissed.

[roadracingoldfart]

It's a bloody mystery to me. As Skunk stated, VMCC offered pre 82 as a seperate class and simply didn't get the numbers. Same with Motards. Same with Carbies class. I'm constantly tempted to get into pre-89 F3. Somebody give me some money. Its absence is what stops me.


Its possible a bunch of dudes with a pantering for things old take a bit longer to build shit thats got to be remoulded in wood and other techie materials mate. Give a guy a break. :innocent:<_<

[Billy]

Read my previous post !!!!

Was just reading it as you quoted me,

Actually it is getting that way,With bikes like Glens starting to turn up,If the feilds were bigger it would be a definite problem,At the moment its not quite so bad in Posties as theres bugger all bikes on track.Ive already warned the NZPCRA I'll be keeping a close eye on the Barry Sheene to see how it pans out.

That said the banning of bracket racing is more about having the scenario whereby you have benny backmarker on a gsxr 1000 and say Sarah Elliot on her CBR250 both doing the same laptimes,You dont have to be a rocket scientist to know Bennys only keeping up due to the warp factor speeds of his Gixxer on the straight bits,Its the collision at terminal speed that is killing our riders and it won't continue on while I'm in charge,Get with the program Paul,Its not 1989 anymore.

[roadracingoldfart]

Was just reading it as you quoted me,

Actually it is getting that way,With bikes like Glens starting to turn up,If the feilds were bigger it would be a definite problem,At the moment its not quite so bad in Posties as theres bugger all bikes on track.Ive already warned the NZPCRA I'll be keeping a close eye on the Barry Sheene to see how it pans out.

That said the banning of bracket racing is more about having the scenario whereby you have benny backmarker on a gsxr 1000 and say Sarah Elliot on her CBR250 both doing the same laptimes,You dont have to be a rocket scientist to know Bennys only keeping up due to the warp factor speeds of his Gixxer on the straight bits,Its the collision at terminal speed that is killing our riders and it won't continue on while I'm in charge,Get with the program Paul,Its not 1989 anymore.

Maaaaate , its not a new fannnoommmminom (did i spull that ok) I was doing it against all but a few of the senior bikes when i was still peddling. Neil is dicing with Paul W and co , dont get me wrong , i dont want it changed because it has yet to be proved broken . I was merely reacting to the "as labeled" previous quote. I feel its wrong as even back when i raced my CB455/4 i was giving bikes twice the size shit and thats whats fun about the older bikes, they are balanced where a slower new bike is just simply being riden slow.

[malcy25]

Was just reading it as you quoted me,

Actually it is getting that way,With bikes like Glens starting to turn up,If the feilds were bigger it would be a definite problem,At the moment its not quite so bad in Posties as theres bugger all bikes on track.Ive already warned the NZPCRA I'll be keeping a close eye on the Barry Sheene to see how it pans out.

Billy, that's one of the reasons why I have suggested to Bubbles and co an alternative class make up for the BS meeting.....which includes jnrs together and separately seniors together, not an age group split.

[scracha]

I think you need to look again at what is fitted to Glenns Bimota

He won't bring it out when it's cold and you bite every time Dr Taylor

[scracha]

So running P/C senior bikes and P/C junior bikes together is now not safe ????

Only when the NZPCRA pre82 senior boys come out of the woodwork at Taupo or Pukekohe. I'm sure these guys are hell bent on killing each other. Frightening. Perhaps addressed below :-



Tonly keeping up due to the warp factor speeds of his Gixxer on the straight bits,Its the collision at terminal speed that is killing our riders and it won't continue on while I'm in charge,Get with the program Paul,Its not 1989 anymore.

Bracket racing not being safe argument is similar to argument against ditching clubmans. You're confusing "a wee bit slow" with "incompetent" Billy. There's clearly fair speed differentials even within superbikes (watch any video from the top 3 or 4 riders). I don't see much issue with a racer being "dropped" a division....mibby even 2 (especially if they're not point scoring and suitably identified). A GSXR1000 doing 1.24s (Sarah speed?) is clearly dangerous in a race and would be best told to bugger off and do more trackdays or get tuition or learn to ride an RG150. A GSXR1000 with a yellow bib doing say, 1.18's in F3 or 1.15's in F2 isn't dangerous IMHO - DEPENDING ON HOW ITS RIDDEN. You could even argue that it'd be more dangerous to let them out in F1 at that pace. Hell, Clubmans in its present form scares the heck out of me.

The more powerful a bike you turn up to race on, the more you should have to prove you have a vague idea you know what the hell you're doing IMHO.

[Grumph]

Bracket racing as such isn't necessarily dangerous. What has to be considered is the criteria for the brackets. lap times alone can work but the organiser(s) need to have an overview to avoid the speed differentials quoted above.

The Sound of Thunder for years finished up with an afternoon of bracket racing which for riders at least was probably the best low key fun of the weekend....anyone else remember just racing for fun ?....

In a lot of the "less serious" classes away from nationals, the objective is often to find yourself someone doing about the same speed and have a good (and fun) battle....frequently this involves what could be called mismatched bikes....personally I don't see much unsafe about this on permanent circuits. All in races on street circuits however, frighten me....

Billy, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, moderation in all things please.

[The Chow]

Bracket racing as such isn't necessarily dangerous. What has to be considered is the criteria for the brackets. lap times alone can work but the organiser(s) need to have an overview to avoid the speed differentials quoted above.

The Sound of Thunder for years finished up with an afternoon of bracket racing which for riders at least was probably the best low key fun of the weekend....anyone else remember just racing for fun ?....

In a lot of the "less serious" classes away from nationals, the objective is often to find yourself someone doing about the same speed and have a good (and fun) battle....frequently this involves what could be called mismatched bikes....personally I don't see much unsafe about this on permanent circuits. All in races on street circuits however, frighten me....

Billy, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, moderation in all things please.

Remember in my first season being a race at Ruapuna(old circuit) with John Boote on the first TZ700 at a car/bike day and getting lapped on my DS7 250cc Yamaha . Fuck nothing like that feeling of when you think you are going fast and having a large unmuffled two stroke race bike whistle past. It must have had an impact as I remember so clearly. Speed difference - no idea but imagine a 250cc twin (pre-RD250) and purpose built 700cc multi two stroke racer in the same race.

[Robert Taylor]

He won't bring it out when it's cold and you bite every time Dr Taylor

No I just thought ''he should have gone to spec savers''!

[Grumph]

Remember in my first season being a race at Ruapuna(old circuit) with John Boote on the first TZ700 at a car/bike day and getting lapped on my DS7 250cc Yamaha . Fuck nothing like that feeling of when you think you are going fast and having a large unmuffled two stroke race bike whistle past. It must have had an impact as I remember so clearly. Speed difference - no idea but imagine a 250cc twin (pre-RD250) and purpose built 700cc multi two stroke racer in the same race.

Exactly - it's experiencing first hand the speed differences betwen a top rider and yourself which forces your own riding development forward. In my case, Wigram, being zapped by Ron Grant, Geoff Perry etc while riding an old Norton/BSA. Next year on a good Manx I was with them in practise till it dropped all it's oil, the year after on a Yamaha, mixing it up with some of them...forced devlopment.

Still got any of those cheese rubber "250 prod qualifying tyres" left ?

[Billy]

Only when the NZPCRA pre82 senior boys come out of the woodwork at Taupo or Pukekohe. I'm sure these guys are hell bent on killing each other. Frightening. Perhaps addressed below :-


Bracket racing not being safe argument is similar to argument against ditching clubmans. You're confusing "a wee bit slow" with "incompetent" Billy. There's clearly fair speed differentials even within superbikes (watch any video from the top 3 or 4 riders). I don't see much issue with a racer being "dropped" a division....mibby even 2 (especially if they're not point scoring and suitably identified). A GSXR1000 doing 1.24s (Sarah speed?) is clearly dangerous in a race and would be best told to bugger off and do more trackdays or get tuition or learn to ride an RG150. A GSXR1000 with a yellow bib doing say, 1.18's in F3 or 1.15's in F2 isn't dangerous IMHO - DEPENDING ON HOW ITS RIDDEN. You could even argue that it'd be more dangerous to let them out in F1 at that pace. Hell, Clubmans in its present form scares the heck out of me.

The more powerful a bike you turn up to race on, the more you should have to prove you have a vague idea you know what the hell you're doing IMHO.

Talk to Andrew from the Vic club sometime about the guys in clubmans on 1000s and 600s and ask him how much he stresses about them.

Ask Jimmy Mair about the time I was out in a big bike session at Manfeild on my CBR250 and he nearly collected me through the goodyear kink on his superbike,I wouldnt think you could call either of us incompetent,But it was a very close call for us both,The late Derek Hill correctly identified that speed differential is a huge danger in our sport to the point he banned the 150s from running in superlite,As you point out a superbike in F2 doing 1.15s is quite safe,But the same bike doing 1.18s in superlite is just plain dangerous,The speed differential on the straights between a 200hp superbike and a stock 400 is just plain scary and down right dangerous and clearly anybody on a 200hp superbike doing 1.18s at Manfeild is incompetent,This is one of the reasons I have asked the office to forward on to me EVERY permit application from now on,Not just the ones with an entry form.

[neil_cb125t]

Talk to Andrew from the Vic club sometime about the guys in clubmans on 1000s and 600s and ask him how much he stresses about them.

Ask Jimmy Mair about the time I was out in a big bike session at Manfeild on my CBR250 and he nearly collected me through the goodyear kink on his superbike,I wouldnt think you could call either of us incompetent,But it was a very close call for us both,The late Derek Hill correctly identified that speed differential is a huge danger in our sport to the point he banned the 150s from running in superlite,As you point out a superbike in F2 doing 1.15s is quite safe,But the same bike doing 1.18s in superlite is just plain dangerous,The speed differential on the straights between a 200hp superbike and a stock 400 is just plain scary and down right dangerous and clearly anybody on a 200hp superbike doing 1.18s at Manfeild is incompetent,This is one of the reasons I have asked the office to forward on to me EVERY permit application from now on,Not just the ones with an entry form.

Yep many moons ago i cross entered my 150 into F3, mid season i was collected down the back straight but one of the top F3 guys ( who was drafting another bike so he couldn't see infront of him) I was lucky i slid for a few hundred meters the stopped un injured. I was doing 1:34s or something - F3 guys a good 15sec + faster. I the rain I was 19th out of 35 bikes on the 150. Even thou its fun, its not safe and we don't need to justify people being able to be in harms way.

The current problem is that the gap between Clubby and F2/F1 is now a bit bigger due to lower numbers, im doing 15/16's on steves bike, too fast for clubies but i was last place in F2. So people that were in F2 doing 17/16s are now going back to clubs.

[sharky]

Billy, that's one of the reasons why I have suggested to Bubbles and co an alternative class make up for the BS meeting.....which includes jnrs together and separately seniors together, not an age group split.

Yeah I agree that sounds a better idea - and it will also save the Seniors blushes if it rains :shutup:

[Skunk]

So running P/C senior bikes and P/C junior bikes together is now not safe ????At Round 4 one bike was lapped (from memory - mylaps is down). Corner speeds are similar and straight line speed is the only concern - and the fast bike tends to have a good rider on board in this class.
Round 3 we moved a rider out of Clubmans and into the Streetstock class because that was safer. Worked very well with his riding. (Someone can now find a rule in the rule book to hit me with. I'm damned either way.)

Unfortunately we don't aways know how someone is going to perform on the track in their class and what issues will come up before the meeting but we do the best we can to sort them. Bracket racing is an open invitation to have these issues.

I was watching Posties at Round 3 wondering how to fix what I saw. Round 4 and the issue was gone... Two sleep deprived nights over nothing in the end.

[jellywrestler]

Next year on a good Manx I was with them in practise till it dropped all it's oil,
I never knew you raced sidecars!!!!

[budda]

Remember in my first season being a race at Ruapuna(old circuit) with John Boote on the first TZ700 at a car/bike day and getting lapped on my DS7 250cc Yamaha . Fuck nothing like that feeling of when you think you are going fast and having a large unmuffled two stroke race bike whistle past. It must have had an impact as I remember so clearly. Speed difference - no idea but imagine a 250cc twin (pre-RD250) and purpose built 700cc multi two stroke racer in the same race.

Dead right Chow - I remember trying to crawl under the paint on the tank of my RM125S in top down the chute at Levels, and Paul McLachlan went past and changed up FOUR TIMES !!!!!!!! Been hooked ever since .........

[jellywrestler]

Dead right Chow - I remember trying to crawl under the paint on the tank of my RM125S in top down the chute at Levels, and Paul McLachlan went past and changed up FOUR TIMES !!!!!!!! Been hooked ever since .........


up until this post I would've laid a tenner on you not even being able to count to four!

[Grumph]

up until this post I would've laid a tenner on you not even being able to count to four!

Don't ask him to go past 10 - he can't see his feet.....and as for lapscoring, well.......

[Grumph]

I never knew you raced sidecars!!!!

Lining up to pass Bob Haldane at the Wigram hairpin and the world turned upside down when i gassed it....oil all over the back of the bike from a split oil tank....might just as well have been a sidecar, I agree.

As an aside, things have changed for the better, everyone treated that day in the first aid tent - incl Kevin McCleary - came down with blood poisoning. I'd passed Kevin at Bombay, spinning across the track on his arse, with smoke coming off his leathers....The first aid attendant was picking bits of burnt leather out oif his bum when I got to the tent, as I said to him, smells like a well done steak in here....

[racer40]

As of last night, 100 enties received for Barry Sheene, 46 of them post classics

[Duke girl]

So that proves that there are Post Classic Racers out there just not racing with the VMCC.

[worm13]

im picking it has something to do with cash flow for people!! and becasue of that being picky on what events they enter... fair enough really

[Skunk]

So that proves that there are Post Classic Racers out there just not racing with the VMCC.They don't know what to do when they get near Hamilton so turn around and go home...

[codgyoleracer]

They don't know what to do when they get near Hamilton so turn around and go home...

This appears to be generally true, Had a truckload of them at nats meeting at Hampton last year, then a dribble turned up for the final nats at Taupo a week later. Fair weather travellers :-)

[roadracingoldfart]

At Round 4 one bike was lapped (from memory - mylaps is down). Corner speeds are similar and straight line speed is the only concern - and the fast bike tends to have a good rider on board in this class.
Round 3 we moved a rider out of Clubmans and into the Streetstock class because that was safer. Worked very well with his riding. (Someone can now find a rule in the rule book to hit me with. I'm damned either way.)

Unfortunately we don't aways know how someone is going to perform on the track in their class and what issues will come up before the meeting but we do the best we can to sort them. Bracket racing is an open invitation to have these issues.

I was watching Posties at Round 3 wondering how to fix what I saw. Round 4 and the issue was gone... Two sleep deprived nights over nothing in the end.

Cant you just enact a time qualification rule here , i agree some bikes are really bloody fast compared to others in the same race but the combined class in the catagory is always going to allow that. Maybe the meetings have to be 2 day events and the fast guys on Sat and the slower guys on Sun. Billy thinks i live in the past i see but FFS , last round we have Neil doing 1.15s on the 600 F2 posty and some Senior bikes didnt get close to the teens. its historical and entrenched because riders actually RACE , that means go really fast if possible.

[codgyoleracer]

[QUOTE=rustys;1130384854]:laugh: Thats a load rubbish Glen, i am on the pension and still doing it.



Yeah one of them is an untruth :-)

[Skunk]

Cant you just enact a time qualification rule here , i agree some bikes are really bloody fast compared to others in the same race but the combined class in the catagory is always going to allow that. Maybe the meetings have to be 2 day events and the fast guys on Sat and the slower guys on Sun. Billy thinks i live in the past i see but FFS , last round we have Neil doing 1.15s on the 600 F2 posty and some Senior bikes didnt get close to the teens. its historical and entrenched because riders actually RACE , that means go really fast if possible.It used to be that if you didn't qualify you went to Clubmans. Now there are Clubmans riders who are (and read this carefully) as fast as the lead bikes in the class the slow has came from - but the fast Clubmans guys don't qualify for the class they should be in. Catch 22.

Running fast on Sat and slow on Sun? You're talking about doubling the cost and halving the income. You don't do anything with accounts and budgeting I hope... :wacko: :)

[malcy25]

They don't know what to do when they get near Hamilton so turn around and go home...

That last push to get from Hamilton to the Bombays when heading uphill (ie northwards) is a hard one, that many try and few complete.

[miper]

[QUOTE=neil_cb125t;1130384748]Well the change in classes to 0-400, 401-600, and 600 and above didn't work now did it???


I can't really understand why it has'nt worked, the F3 bike is cheap bike to run, there are plenty of them around, and also a good starting off point for riders to get out and have a go. At the start of the season there were 9 in F3, now there are about 3 left, so i would not critisize the class yet, give it some time to get rolling.
Its the sign of the times, i can almost bet its a money issuie with lots of people out there at this time, when things get tight the toys have to go.

Definatley the right way to go, it would not have made any difference if the class was left like last year, we would have the same results.

I gota agree here. For a returnee after a 22 year hiatus this class is awesome. Having the option to race a bike again reasonably cheaply and compete against similar machines on a bike that will always remain "one of the latest and greatest" is awesome. The seperated classes should and I believe will increase in numbers as people realize what a comparitivly level playing field it is, first two rounds there were 5-6 riders all within 2-3 secs of each other in the f3 class.
As for the drop in numbers so far through out the series, in my case I would have been there but work shipped my off to aussie for 9 weeks so not possible. I suspect these sorts of things have occured with others and will hopefully see an increase again for the last couple of rounds.;);)

[npoole]

Hi I have just spent what seems like days to find out where motorcycling racing happens in NZ. I have just joined VMCC and MCNZ, what Im trying to do is go racing after an aquiantence of mine introduced me to the track, at a meet at taupo. I to say after owning many motorcycles over my lifetime so far this was the best day out I have ever had on a motorcycle. No Cars,everyone going the same way and no speed restrictions. just raciong!.

I still dont know if I have joined the right clubs or affiliations to go racing, guess im running on blind faith, but after that first meet I just want to go and do it all over again and again.

I guess what im saying is, there has got be an easier way to get people into the sport,must be guys like me of around the 40 years old range that have riden motorcycles through a long period of there lifes and would love the opportunity to go racing...far safer than riding riding on the open road!
But it seems that unless your in the crowd, no one would know that clubs exist, what classes are available to ride in and so on.

Take me for instance, lookin at bikes on trade me, with no idea if im lookin at the right bike for the right class.

Another point id like to make, motorcycle racing is a huge adrenalin rush, what teenage kid on the verge of going to do somethin "stupid" and against the law, wouldnt get a thrill out of putting there neck on the line witha hot "bucket".

I guess what Im sayin is "Man" make the sport more accessable to folk and thge numbers will come....

Will keep you posted on how I make out trying to get myself on the track.....still dont know what I have to buy, just want a 250cc and to go racing.

[Voltaire]

I bought a FXR 150 bucket for my son an I to play with, great bunch at Mt Welly track, only ever did a couple of races...but lots of practice Saturdays.

I'd never been on a track till last October, used to go to Puke to watch the classics every Feb thinking " that would be fun".
Sold my road going Ducati SS bought a Triumph Thruxton and did level 1 and 2 of the Superbike School .....best $800 I could have spent.
Then did a few track days with AMCC, finished off building my 1973 BMW R90, joined the CMCRR and have done about 4 race meets this year...awesome.
My times are pretty slow but the fun factor is huge.

[Billy]

Hi I have just spent what seems like days to find out where motorcycling racing happens in NZ. I have just joined VMCC and MCNZ, what Im trying to do is go racing after an aquiantence of mine introduced me to the track, at a meet at taupo. I to say after owning many motorcycles over my lifetime so far this was the best day out I have ever had on a motorcycle. No Cars,everyone going the same way and no speed restrictions. just raciong!.

I still dont know if I have joined the right clubs or affiliations to go racing, guess im running on blind faith, but after that first meet I just want to go and do it all over again and again.

I guess what im saying is, there has got be an easier way to get people into the sport,must be guys like me of around the 40 years old range that have riden motorcycles through a long period of there lifes and would love the opportunity to go racing...far safer than riding riding on the open road!
But it seems that unless your in the crowd, no one would know that clubs exist, what classes are available to ride in and so on.

Take me for instance, lookin at bikes on trade me, with no idea if im lookin at the right bike for the right class.

Another point id like to make, motorcycle racing is a huge adrenalin rush, what teenage kid on the verge of going to do somethin "stupid" and against the law, wouldnt get a thrill out of putting there neck on the line witha hot "bucket".

I guess what Im sayin is "Man" make the sport more accessable to folk and thge numbers will come....

Will keep you posted on how I make out trying to get myself on the track.....still dont know what I have to buy, just want a 250cc and to go racing.

PM sent,Should be able to help you get started

[wharfy]

Hi I have just spent what seems like days to find out where motorcycling racing happens in NZ. I have just joined VMCC and MCNZ, what Im trying to do is go racing after an aquiantence of mine introduced me to the track, at a meet at taupo. I to say after owning many motorcycles over my lifetime so far this was the best day out I have ever had on a motorcycle. No Cars,everyone going the same way and no speed restrictions. just raciong!.

I still dont know if I have joined the right clubs or affiliations to go racing, guess im running on blind faith, but after that first meet I just want to go and do it all over again and again.

I guess what im saying is, there has got be an easier way to get people into the sport,must be guys like me of around the 40 years old range that have riden motorcycles through a long period of there lifes and would love the opportunity to go racing...far safer than riding riding on the open road!
But it seems that unless your in the crowd, no one would know that clubs exist, what classes are available to ride in and so on.

Take me for instance, lookin at bikes on trade me, with no idea if im lookin at the right bike for the right class.

Another point id like to make, motorcycle racing is a huge adrenalin rush, what teenage kid on the verge of going to do somethin "stupid" and against the law, wouldnt get a thrill out of putting there neck on the line witha hot "bucket".

I guess what Im sayin is "Man" make the sport more accessable to folk and thge numbers will come....

Will keep you posted on how I make out trying to get myself on the track.....still dont know what I have to buy, just want a 250cc and to go racing.

Well youv'e joined the right clubs (you don't get a choice about MNZ :) ) and I'm a Vic Club Member :)

I don't know what you have so don't know what you need to buy - BUT the first things you must have are:
1/ An approved helmet that fits properly.
2/ Full leathers (one piece recommended)
3/ Good boots
4/ Leather gloves
5/ Back protector

The best you can afford in all of the above and the better they fit the better they save your arse (or head or hands or feet) :)

This thread will quickly fill up with opinions about what bike to get what class to race in and what mods to the bike etc. You can have great racing with a bog standard 150 (and get the learn from 12 year olds:) ) there is no upper limit - (I think Ducati have a pretty nice track bike for about $60,000)

In MY opinion a lot depends on where you plan on racing and how often.

Motorcycle Racing Factoid's
1/ It is the most fun you can have wearing leather - even (especially ?) if you enjoy pain !
2/ Only people who have never raced bikes think P is addictive and makes you crazy
3/ There are hundreds of experts on motorcycle racing - even (especially ?) people who have never done it

If you post to this thread you should be able to come up with at leat ONE motorcycle racing factoid to add to the list :)

Welcome aboard - One more of us and one less of them :)

[Skunk]

....Take me for instance, lookin at bikes on trade me, with no idea if im lookin at the right bike for the right class.

Another point id like to make, motorcycle racing is a huge adrenalin rush, what teenage kid on the verge of going to do somethin "stupid" and against the law, wouldnt get a thrill out of putting there neck on the line witha hot "bucket".

I guess what Im sayin is "Man" make the sport more accessable to folk and thge numbers will come....

Will keep you posted on how I make out trying to get myself on the track.....still dont know what I have to buy, just want a 250cc and to go racing.
I've done the best I can in my spare time: have a look here - http://www.vicclub.co.nz/info.php and let me know what I can do to improve it. I know how to get into racing so it's put together with hindsight. Your 'forward looking' eyes may show where the 'holes' are.

[Crasherfromwayback]

If you post to this thread you should be able to come up with at leat ONE motorcycle racing factoid to add to the list :)



Hospital food sucks serious arse.

[Petrolic]

Would love to get my 89 1100 slingshot race ready but need original forks as previous owners put later upside downs in. I Was waiting for my 04 r1 to become a classic but got some time to wait now.

[budda]

500/4 Pre72 racebike on TradeMe