18 months on your Restricted no matter your age and Basic Handling from 1 November

[Tricia1000]

Hi everyone,
You may have heard by now that ALL RESTRICTED LICENCE HOLDERS, from the 1st October, regardless of age, will now spend 18 months on their Restricted Licence. You will no longer be allowed to use the DDC or Street talk to shorten your time on Restricted Licence.
New Basic Handling starting on November 1st.
Lams starting on October 1st.
Tricia
RoADA (Dip)
Teaching Classes 1 and 6
consultant to NZTA

[curly]

Hi everyone,
ALL RESTRICTED LICENCE HOLDERS, from the 1st October, regardless of age, will now spend 18 months on their Restricted Licence. You will no longer be allowed to use the DDC or Street talk to shorten your time on Restricted Licence.
Tricia
RoADA (Dip)
Teaching Classes 1 and 6
consultant to NZTA

How long does the DDC and Street talk take to complete?

[Tricia1000]

Usually 2 weeks.
Do I detect someone in a hurry?? ;)

How long does the DDC and Street talk take to complete?

[Subike]

Does this apply to those already in the system, that is , on their restricted or learners now,
or only to those who start the journey after the 1st oct.
Clarification of the law in this areas , not just hearsay, guess work, or general interpretation.
What does the Law say in regards to this,
And if it is written in the law, can a link to an official document, or website containing such laws.
And not wiki

[Glowerss]

Does this apply to those already in the system, that is , on their restricted or learners now,
or only to those who start the journey after the 1st oct.
Clarification of the law in this areas , not just hearsay, guess work, or general interpretation.
What does the Law say in regards to this,
And if it is written in the law, can a link to an official document, or website containing such laws.
And not wiki

Second this question. I'll be on my R next week. Does this mean I'll be able to take my full in December as I'm over 25 with a DDC, or am I stuck with the full restricted period? Is the cutoff those who get their R plates AFTER October first, or apply to ANYONE on an R plate?

[neels]

This might help....

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/driver-licensing-amendment-2011-qa.html

[Subike]

This might help....

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/driver-licensing-amendment-2011-qa.html


Good information there, but nothing specific to those already started under the current law,
I can only read that these new laws apply to persons applying for a license after the 1Oct,

[GoSlowR]

If you go to this link: http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/motorcycles/time.html theres a reference at the bottom to getting an exemption if you have already done an approved course - my reading of it is that you wont get an exemption unless you've held your restricted for 12months already........

Damn!!! This really ruins my new bike plans:weep:



edit: heres the link to the exemption application form: http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/driver-licence-exemption/docs/dl4-exemption-application.pdf

[Stevee2]

I'm a bit gutted about this change :angry2:, not sure if it was communicated earlier or not. Guess it will stop people being able to do learners + 3 months to full (if over 25) and then jumping on an R1 after 9 months riding experience. Oh well, my Hornet treats me well and is more bike than I can handle for now anyway :scooter:

[Tricia1000]

the information that they sent out to the BHS Instructors didn't make this crystal clear. MY previous understanding from the meetings was the it would be 18 months on Retricted, and the only way to reduce would be to do the Competency Based Training Assessment. However, this programme has n't been fully formulated yet, so I wasn't expecting the 18 months on REstricted, until there is a definite way to reduce the time to 12 months.
Exemption request for those on Restricted come 1st October?
Which is how they got around the raise in driving age.
Tricia1000
This might help....

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/driver-licensing-amendment-2011-qa.html

[f2dz]

I hope they introduce a way to reduce your restricted license time to 12 months.

I'd rather get an unrestricted 600cc at the end of 2013 than in the middle of 2014.

[Glowerss]

I hope they introduce a way to reduce your restricted license time to 12 months.

I'd rather get an unrestricted 600cc at the end of 2013 than in the middle of 2014.

Or they allow exemptions for people already part way through the process. Bit of a bummer thinking Im going to get my full in November only to find out wouldn't be able to get it until bloody march in 2014. :brick:

[Tricia1000]

I am hearing you on that one!!!!! Plenty of my students will be in the same boat. Some had already been counting down the days to Full licence test, and now it may well end up being in 2014... I hope they will allow people to get exemptions.
But if it is like the exemptions for the age change, in order to be granted the exemption, you had to apply, pay the $27, and also not had any tickets, crashes, fines etc etc.

Tricia


Or they allow exemptions for people already part way through the process. Bit of a bummer thinking Im going to get my full in November only to find out wouldn't be able to get it until bloody march in 2014. :brick:

[Subike]

Oh well, if that's the requirements for an exemption, , then 2014 will be what I will have to wait for, bugger.
30+ years riding, finally get my restricted, god, cant asses how many miles I have ridden on all sizes of bikes.
But, Having had speeding tickets, wrong class of license tickets, and fines, then I guess the LB of flesh demanded just continues.
Oh well, If life throws you a curve, just lean into it harden and survive.
Bugger, pootle on.......

[clonak]

Thats a pain in the ass. Although I suppose if the time I have been on my learners is anything to go by, I probably would not have gone for my full in 3/6 months anyway. At least we have LAMs now, so theres abit more choice for bikes to ride 'legally'.

Does anyone know if you done the defenive driving course for your car, was it(under the old law) still valid for the motorbike ? Was nearly 10 years ago though...

Nerves are already building up for restricted test next week. :S

[Killaz2K]

I guess I'll just have to avoid cops when I finally upgrade to a super sport, 18 months sure is a heck of a long time.

[Tricia1000]

In order for the DDC to apply to your bike licence, you would need to have been on your bike restricted licence, the correct amount of time. So, you would have needed to do ddc again. But after 1st October, you can't use the DDC or Streettalk to shorten your time.

Hope this helps.
If you need a hand preparing for your restricted test, give me a shout.

Tricia
021 269 3246

Thats a pain in the ass. Although I suppose if the time I have been on my learners is anything to go by, I probably would not have gone for my full in 3/6 months anyway. At least we have LAMs now, so theres abit more choice for bikes to ride 'legally'.

Does anyone know if you done the defenive driving course for your car, was it(under the old law) still valid for the motorbike ? Was nearly 10 years ago though...

Nerves are already building up for restricted test next week. :S

[GrayWolf]

I'm a bit gutted about this change :angry2:, not sure if it was communicated earlier or not. Guess it will stop people being able to do learners + 3 months to full (if over 25) and then jumping on an R1 after 9 months riding experience. Oh well, my Hornet treats me well and is more bike than I can handle for now anyway :scooter:

Thats exactly why the new 18 month no exceptions is a great idea. it WILL stop spottysprotrider from diving onto a high performance bike with minimal actual experience, which of course some old fucker saying he cant handle it, is an old tosser and doesnt know what thy're talking about. :angry:
They are allowing up to 660cc, and now there's going to be mass bleating over a no reprieve 18 month R licence? Tell you what, lets allow the L platers R1's, ZX14's. Gixxers and be done with it, Darwin'll sort them out! Be gratefull they have'nt gone the 'full monty' and brought in the European style 'stepped licence' system where you'll have to reach a certain skill level before you are allowed to go up to a bigger bike. Hell on that premise, I'd say a good 60% of the riders I see on the 'Taka's/'Rapa would only ever get to ride a 125 :corn:

[Glowerss]

Thats exactly why the new 18 month no exceptions is a great idea. it WILL stop spottysprotrider from diving onto a high performance bike with minimal actual experience, which of course some old fucker saying he cant handle it, is an old tosser and doesnt know what thy're talking about. :angry:
They are allowing up to 660cc, and now there's going to be mass bleating over a no reprieve 18 month R licence? Tell you what, lets allow the L platers R1's, ZX14's. Gixxers and be done with it, Darwin'll sort them out! Be gratefull they have'nt gone the 'full monty' and brought in the European style 'stepped licence' system where you'll have to reach a certain skill level before you are allowed to go up to a bigger bike. Hell on that premise, I'd say a good 60% of the riders I see on the 'Taka's/'Rapa would only ever get to ride a 125 :corn:

Not everyone who is annoyed at getting caught in the crossfire is looking to jump onto a cbr1000rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

I use my bike for everything. Don't own a car. Put 4000ks on a Scorpio my first 2 months riding. Then upped to a 400 as I'm a fatass, 6'1" and the scorpio was horrible for commuting. Done probably 8000ks in the last 7 months. I'm dead sick of the 400.

The kind of bike I want simply doesn't exist on the LAMS list. I'm fed to death with Carbs and would love dearly to upgrade to something with EFI. The number of bikes on the LAMS list with EFI you could probably count on 2 hands. Most of em being either 250s or outrageously expensive new bikes that are restricted. ($17,000 Monster anyone?)

If you can find a FI, torquey bike (Tired of rowing the gearbox constantly in town as well actually) that's comfortable, light enough to do the work commute and can do long trips and is on the LAMS list I'll eat my shoes. Shit like bandit 650s or the new gsx650f, ninja 650, GSR 750.

The LAMS system is better then it used to be, but 18 months on the R is an awfully long time, particularly for people like myself who thought they were a scant 3 months from a full and are (apparently) getting wrapped up into the new system.

[GrayWolf]

Not everyone who is annoyed at getting caught in the crossfire is looking to jump onto a cbr1000rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

I use my bike for everything. Don't own a car. Put 4000ks on a Scorpio my first 2 months riding. Then upped to a 400 as I'm a fatass, 6'1" and the scorpio was horrible for commuting. Done probably 8000ks in the last 7 months. I'm dead sick of the 400.

The kind of bike I want simply doesn't exist on the LAMS list. I'm fed to death with Carbs and would love dearly to upgrade to something with EFI. The number of bikes on the LAMS list with EFI you could probably count on 2 hands. Most of em being either 250s or outrageously expensive new bikes that are restricted. ($17,000 Monster anyone?)

If you can find a FI, torquey bike (Tired of rowing the gearbox constantly in town as well actually) that's comfortable, light enough to do the work commute and can do long trips and is on the LAMS list I'll eat my shoes. Shit like bandit 650s or the new gsx650f, ninja 650, GSR 750.

The LAMS system is better then it used to be, but 18 months on the R is an awfully long time, particularly for people like myself who thought they were a scant 3 months from a full and are (apparently) getting wrapped up into the new system.

:yes:
Simple, buy an XT660, DR650, F650, Apriliia 650, Suzuki Freewind.... you want torque so less cog swapping?? there ya go.... :oi-grr:

You may be one of the 'few' but all you have to do is read the 250 section and rider posts... 70% (conservative) think that in less than a year they are 'ready' to launch to R1/R6, Gixxer (or equivalent) status. There are plenty of bikes in LAMS that are competent machines that some people own as full time, long distance, long term ownership bikes, (GS500 for example) Now I can guarantee that we'll see threads in a few months of learners bleating how underpowered and useless their 5/600cc is and we should be allowed something with more power, yada yada yada.... Us old fuckers keep saying it.. a modern 600 is FASTER than the 1980's superbikes. The bikes have progressed technologically, but sadly evolution of the muppet in control of this advancement, progresses at a rate of thousands of years, not thousands of days.

[Glowerss]

:yes:
Simple, buy an XT660, DR650, F650, Apriliia 650, Suzuki Freewind.... you want torque so less cog swapping?? there ya go.... :oi-grr:

You may be one of the 'few' but all you have to do is read the 250 section and rider posts... 70% (conservative) think that in less than a year they are 'ready' to launch to R1/R6, Gixxer (or equivalent) status. There are plenty of bikes in LAMS that are competent machines that some people own as full time, long distance, long term ownership bikes, (GS500 for example) Now I can guarantee that we'll see threads in a few months of learners bleating how underpowered and useless their 5/600cc is and we should be allowed something with more power, yada yada yada.... Us old fuckers keep saying it.. a modern 600 is FASTER than the 1980's superbikes. The bikes have progressed technologically, but sadly evolution of the muppet in control of this advancement, progresses at a rate of thousands of years, not thousands of days.

:sweatdrop Should have mentioned I don't care much for dual sport/motards, and not sure I could get over the ridiculous seat height on most of em.

Anyway, you're not wrong about most people wanting to jump onto the supersport 600s. I work at AUT, and one walk around the carpark would see you correct. Ignoring the scooters, everything there is a hyosung 250/ninja250, an IL4 250 or any variation of 600/750 gsxrs/cbrs/ ect. There's one or two old BMW tourers, and a 750 Katana. Rest of em are all supersprots.

Anyway, mostly just wish they'd let the people who started 7 months ago to finish up under the old system. I don't think I could last another 16 or so months on my current 400. Might have to throw it into the harbour :dodge::dodge::dodge::dodge: :girlfight:

[Tricia1000]

http://nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/motorcycles/time.html

[hippie]

This bites big time as im already eyeing up what i may have gotten next but that will have to wait a long time :weep: and the fact going on road trips 2 up is so much further away are older guys on bikes as reckless as younger people who have little fear of death?

[Subike]

This bites big time as im already eyeing up what i may have gotten next but that will have to wait a long time :weep: and the fact going on road trips 2 up is so much further away are older guys on bikes as reckless as younger people who have little fear of death?


I would have to say yes to your question, I have traveed in a group where the age was, well, older, and some of the riders were terrible.
I have also traveled with groups where the riding behavior was very tidy, and these were mid age range.
but all groups have good, and bad, just learn who to keep away from.

[Sable]

I use my bike for everything. Don't own a car. Put 4000ks on a Scorpio my first 2 months riding. Then upped to a 400 as I'm a fatass, 6'1" and the scorpio was horrible for commuting. Done probably 8000ks in the last 7 months. I'm dead sick of the 400.

The kind of bike I want simply doesn't exist on the LAMS list. I'm fed to death with Carbs and would love dearly to upgrade to something with EFI.

If you can find a FI, torquey bike (Tired of rowing the gearbox constantly in town as well actually) that's comfortable, light enough to do the work commute and can do long trips and is on the LAMS list I'll eat my shoes.

So much whining. I have a motorcycle courier friend about your height, weighs 135kg and is perfectly happy with a ZZR250. There is nothing at all wrong with carbs if you know the basics of maintaining them. You don't like changing gear either?

Perhaps motorcycling isn't for you. Go buy a scooter or an auto econobox.

[Glowerss]

So much whining. I have a motorcycle courier friend about your height, weighs 135kg and is perfectly happy with a ZZR250. There is nothing at all wrong with carbs if you know the basics of maintaining them. You don't like changing gear either?

Perhaps motorcycling isn't for you. Go buy a scooter or an auto econobox.

Maintaining carbys isn't the problem. Standing around for 10 minutes at 11 O clock at night in the middle of winter in the rain waiting for the fucking bike to warm up, however!

And I'll stick to 2 wheels thank you very much :scooter: :yes:

[huff3r]

Maintaining carbys isn't the problem. Standing around for 10 minutes at 11 O clock at night in the middle of winter in the rain waiting for the fucking bike to warm up, however!

And I'll stick to 2 wheels thank you very much :scooter: :yes:

Shouldn't be a problem on a L or R licence, seeing as the curfew is 10pm... :shutup:

[GrayWolf]

Maintaining carbys isn't the problem. Standing around for 10 minutes at 11 O clock at night in the middle of winter in the rain waiting for the fucking bike to warm up, however!

And I'll stick to 2 wheels thank you very much :scooter: :yes:

Then I'd suggest if it isnt an 'old' bike, like early 1980's or before, or high milage with possibly worn needles/slides/jet etc. I'd suggest there is either A) something out with the carb tuning, B) out of balance if a twin, C) was standing and has the varnish like deposit coating the pilot/air jet/mixture etc... modern bikes, ah hell even the ones I rode it the 70's (japanese) had no issues starting from cold. Sounds to me like it needs going over.

[Old Steve]

The kind of bike I want simply doesn't exist on the LAMS list. I'm fed to death with Carbs and would love dearly to upgrade to something with EFI. The number of bikes on the LAMS list with EFI you could probably count on 2 hands. Most of em being either 250s or outrageously expensive new bikes that are restricted. ($17,000 Monster anyone?)

I was looking at the Hyosung ST-7 when I got my 6F and upgraded to the M50. I think they do an EFI LAMS version which has almost exactly 150 kW/Tonne.

Checked the Hyosung website and there are 4 650 cc EFI LAMS bikes, naked and faired GT650 EFI LAMs, cruiser GV650 EFI LAM, and the ST7 EFI LAM which seems to be only a 650 cc engine but is described as "upgradable" and has 149.something kW/Tonne.

That's only one manufacturer, so their must be more around. And the GT650PL EFI LAMS is only $9000 new, and you'd surely get a better deal than that if you walked into a shop and started to show an interest.

Some may not like the Hyosung, but if I were starting all over again I'd definitely be looking at the ST-7 EFI LAMS, though it's not available 2nd hand yet so probably would be priced out of my range for a while.

[Banditbandit]

I hope they introduce a way to reduce your restricted license time to 12 months.

I'd rather get an unrestricted 600cc at the end of 2013 than in the middle of 2014.

Why? There's enough fyoung and blung riders out there on crotch rockets already ...

Personally, I've been riding bikes for 40 years and licence changes have no personal impact on me .. except that because of the licence changes I am slightly more confident that the rider coming the other way will not impact on me ... but that's only very slightly more confident ...

[Tricia1000]

Hey everyone,
I have just heard something, that I haven't managed to find on the NZTA website. Please pass it along to anyone that it may affect.
One of my students, who has done the DDC, (over 25) did it as soon as he had his Restricted, has been allowed to book his test for 3 months away, from the date of passing restricted.
So, it looks like, if you BOOK your 6F test before the 1st October, normally only have a calender 3 months ahead, that you can go through on the old system. TEST MUST BE BOOKED BEFORE 1ST OCTOBER.

Pass this along.

Regards,
Tricia 1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA


Thats exactly why the new 18 month no exceptions is a great idea. it WILL stop spottysprotrider from diving onto a high performance bike with minimal actual experience, which of course some old fucker saying he cant handle it, is an old tosser and doesnt know what thy're talking about. :angry:
They are allowing up to 660cc, and now there's going to be mass bleating over a no reprieve 18 month R licence? Tell you what, lets allow the L platers R1's, ZX14's. Gixxers and be done with it, Darwin'll sort them out! Be gratefull they have'nt gone the 'full monty' and brought in the European style 'stepped licence' system where you'll have to reach a certain skill level before you are allowed to go up to a bigger bike. Hell on that premise, I'd say a good 60% of the riders I see on the 'Taka's/'Rapa would only ever get to ride a 125 :corn:

[ProTuned]

Hey everyone,
I have just heard something, that I haven't managed to find on the NZTA website. Please pass it along to anyone that it may affect.
One of my students, who has done the DDC, (over 25) did it as soon as he had his Restricted, has been allowed to book his test for 3 months away, from the date of passing restricted.
So, it looks like, if you BOOK your 6F test before the 1st October, normally only have a calender 3 months ahead, that you can go through on the old system. TEST MUST BE BOOKED BEFORE 1ST OCTOBER.



November will make it 12 months since I passed my restricted, therefore making me eligible with the current rules for my full once I do my DDC. I really don't want to wait for an extra 6 months than I need to.

Any recommendations on where to book a DDC? I know I'm cutting it fine as most classes must be already fully booked in these last two weeks until the new rules come into effect.

[Tricia1000]

The problem is that the DDC must be held over a period, no less than 10 days.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA


November will make it 12 months since I passed my restricted, therefore making me eligible with the current rules for my full once I do my DDC. I really don't want to wait for an extra 6 months than I need to.

Any recommendations on where to book a DDC? I know I'm cutting it fine as most classes must be already fully booked in these last two weeks until the new rules come into effect.

[Parlane]

"Motorcycles are more likely to be used recreationally by older motorcyclists, rather than as a cheap form of transport for young people."

:( Either I'm old or my bike isn't a cheap transport.

(22 with a cbr250...)

[Glowerss]

"Motorcycles are more likely to be used recreationally by older motorcyclists, rather than as a cheap form of transport for young people."

:( Either I'm old or my bike isn't a cheap transport.

(22 with a cbr250...)

Won't be cheap if anything on it goes bang! :bleh:

[Fast Eddie]

it won't go bang (cbr) and they are pretty cheap.. heaps of spares floating around, think I had 3 engines for mine at one point and spare lights, fairings all sorts.

So those who are on their learners/restricted now.. are they forced to cross over to the new system and have their waiting periods extended or do they get excemption because they are already in the system and following the old process?

[Parlane]

it won't go bang (cbr) and they are pretty cheap.. heaps of spares floating around, think I had 3 engines for mine at one point and spare lights, fairings all sorts.

So those who are on their learners/restricted now.. are they forced to cross over to the new system and have their waiting periods extended or do they get excemption because they are already in the system and following the old process?

http://nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/motorcycles/time.html

Are you caught out by the changes to the approved course requirements for restricted motorcycle licence holders?

If you completed an approved advanced driving course (Street Talk or Defensive Driving Course) before 1 October 2012, you may be eligible for an exemption to reduce the time you spend in the restricted licence phase to less than 18 months. See the DL4 exemption form for further information.

[Fast Eddie]

mmm, im guessing will have to wait even longer even though already going through old system.

its for the mrs, she is just about to get her restricted before the new laws come in.. under old laws she could then have her full in about 6 months I think but now looks like she'll have to wait 18month!

not too many tempting bikes on the lams list for her.. she wants my RS250

[davereid]

mmm, im guessing will have to wait even longer even though already going through old system.

its for the mrs, she is just about to get her restricted before the new laws come in.. under old laws she could then have her full in about 6 months I think but now looks like she'll have to wait 18month!

not too many tempting bikes on the lams list for her.. she wants my RS250

As long as she is the registered person before LAMS day, she can continue to use it by getting a LAMs exemption...

[ProTuned]

The problem is that the DDC must be held over a period, no less than 10 days.



Oh well, more time to save up until I upgrade then...

Thanks for the response :2thumbsup

[Twitch]

Hi all.
I was caught in the debate of getting my learners licence before October 1 or not bothering and just getting it after. I decided to get it before Oct 1 as it meant I could continue with the current process of getting my licence, ie, a lot quicker! I found on the NZTA website some information that said those that already had started the process had 3 years to get their full licence, continuing with the same process. This was plenty of time to complete all steps in the longest time frame.
Now I can not find this information. I will have to do some more digging as it was hard to find in the first place. I'll be not impressed if this law change is retrospective... given the info I had found earlier! Although it doesn't really bother me too much as I'm not going to be in a hurry to get a big bike! But those already in the process and close to getting their full will be most unhappy.
I'll post any info I find on the site.
Cheers.

[Glowerss]

Hi all.
I was caught in the debate of getting my learners licence before October 1 or not bothering and just getting it after. I decided to get it before Oct 1 as it meant I could continue with the current process of getting my licence, ie, a lot quicker! I found on the NZTA website some information that said those that already had started the process had 3 years to get their full licence, continuing with the same process. This was plenty of time to complete all steps in the longest time frame.
Now I can not find this information. I will have to do some more digging as it was hard to find in the first place. I'll be not impressed if this law change is retrospective... given the info I had found earlier! Although it doesn't really bother me too much as I'm not going to be in a hurry to get a big bike! But those already in the process and close to getting their full will be most unhappy.
I'll post any info I find on the site.
Cheers.

Be interesting to see if you can find that information again. I'd send you a beer if you were able to find that information again personally :P

[Fast Eddie]

As long as she is the registered person before LAMS day, she can continue to use it by getting a LAMs exemption...

oh yea? could be worth a try only 10 or so for ownership change eh? I thought it may be a bit of the old too hard basket to try and get exemptions..

[Glowerss]

oh yea? could be worth a try only 10 or so for ownership change eh? I thought it may be a bit of the old too hard basket to try and get exemptions..

If you had done it a few weeks ago I reckon it would have been smooth sailing. Might look a bit dodge doing it a week beforehand, however.

As usual, it would really depend upon who is reading the application. The change in owndership only cost you some 16$ or some such.

Worst case scenario, have her ride the fuckin thing anyway. Unless the cop knows anything about bikes, he's not gonna pick up on the fact its a 2smoker anyway unless you fail the attitude test and he gives it a check.

[Surferdave]

Hi all.
I was caught in the debate of getting my learners licence before October 1 or not bothering and just getting it after. I decided to get it before Oct 1 as it meant I could continue with the current process of getting my licence, ie, a lot quicker! I found on the NZTA website some information that said those that already had started the process had 3 years to get their full licence, continuing with the same process. This was plenty of time to complete all steps in the longest time frame.
Now I can not find this information. I will have to do some more digging as it was hard to find in the first place. I'll be not impressed if this law change is retrospective... given the info I had found earlier! Although it doesn't really bother me too much as I'm not going to be in a hurry to get a big bike! But those already in the process and close to getting their full will be most unhappy.
I'll post any info I find on the site.
Cheers.

Dude! I think I found it... :D this is an excerpt:

What about people who are part way through the GDLS, and their 250cc motorcycle isn’t
a LAMS motorcycle?
A 3-year transitional period will allow for a smooth transition for novice riders who have
entered the motorcycle GDLS just prior to these provisions coming into force. This means that
they will be able to get a full licence by progressing through the current GDLS.

From this webpage:http://www.nzta.govt.nz/consultation/driver-licensing-amendment-2011/docs/q-and-a.pdf

Its a PDF and is page 5 and about 3 paragraphs down.

I hope this is real because end of this month I would've been on my 6R for 4 months AND I'm over 25. I chose not to do the course for lots of reasons and was quite happy to wait 6 months (I love my FZR). This will p me right off if I can't go for my full in 10 weeks. I DON'T want to wait another 14 months:mad:. Mostly as I wanted to be able to ride at night. I work night shift and can finish between 1200-0400 in the morning any day of the week.

[davereid]

....A 3-year transitional period will allow for a smooth transition for novice riders who have
entered the motorcycle GDLS just prior to these provisions coming into force. This means that
they will be able to get a full licence by progressing through the current GDLS....http://www.nzta.govt.nz/consultation/driver-licensing-amendment-2011/docs/q-and-a.pdf


Good find. Im sure the NZTA hate it when people read their promises and then intend to hold them to it.

[Glowerss]

Dude! I think I found it... :D this is an excerpt:

What about people who are part way through the GDLS, and their 250cc motorcycle isn’t
a LAMS motorcycle?
A 3-year transitional period will allow for a smooth transition for novice riders who have
entered the motorcycle GDLS just prior to these provisions coming into force. This means that
they will be able to get a full licence by progressing through the current GDLS.

From this webpage:http://www.nzta.govt.nz/consultation/driver-licensing-amendment-2011/docs/q-and-a.pdf

Its a PDF and is page 5 and about 3 paragraphs down.

I hope this is real because end of this month I would've been on my 6R for 4 months AND I'm over 25. I chose not to do the course for lots of reasons and was quite happy to wait 6 months (I love my FZR). This will p me right off if I can't go for my full in 10 weeks. I DON'T want to wait another 14 months:mad:. Mostly as I wanted to be able to ride at night. I work night shift and can finish between 1200-0400 in the morning any day of the week.

Far out, well done. Will be giving them a call myself I reckon and see what they say come Monday. Great find.

[Stevee2]

Please post an update when you get word on this! Fingers crossed :)

[Surferdave]

Ok so heres the down low... Went into AA first thing this morning: "I'd like to pay for my full mc test please (as per what the website says)..." "No problems sir..when would you like to sit your test, we'll book it for you now also..." "EH? Sweeeeet... Anytime after november 30 thanks!" "How does December 4 sound?" "FUCKING AWESOME!!"

So in a nutshell get your asses in there and pay and book and you'll be able to do it when your time is ready, since you are under the old GDLS. At the end of November I will've held my restricted for 6 months, chose not to do the course, for various reasons. I'm stoked coz even though I had no intentions of upsizing my crotch rocket I was still planning on test riding heeeeaps of different bikes in the following months. And now can also ride legally home from work at 0230. DO IT!:2thumbsup

[Drew]

This is funny as all fuck. To the cunts who will just miss out on their full license, stiff fuckin shit! There is a clear problem with people inexperienced getting onto big bikes, so the reason for the change in the first place, is why you have to wait. No fuckin argument, suck it up or move to another country to ride a big bike.

To the ones of you who are too big, don't be so fucking lazy. Go and apply for a licence amendment to ride a bigger bike. They hand those out with out much hassle.

[Drew]

Ok so heres the down low... Went into AA first thing this morning: "I'd like to pay for my full mc test please (as per what the website says)..." "No problems sir..when would you like to sit your test, we'll book it for you now also..." "EH? Sweeeeet... Anytime after november 30 thanks!" "How does December 4 sound?" "FUCKING AWESOME!!"

So in a nutshell get your asses in there and pay and book and you'll be able to do it when your time is ready, since you are under the old GDLS. At the end of November I will've held my restricted for 6 months, chose not to do the course, for various reasons. I'm stoked coz even though I had no intentions of upsizing my crotch rocket I was still planning on test riding heeeeaps of different bikes in the following months. And now can also ride legally home from work at 0230. DO IT!:2thumbsup

Oh good, I'm not getting a big bike, I'm just gonna be out on the roads on other peoples. That's safer.

Surprised you were allowed to even book your restricted, never used to be allowed until you were eligable to test.

[GrayWolf]

This is funny as all fuck. To the cunts who will just miss out on their full license, stiff fuckin shit! There is a clear problem with people inexperienced getting onto big bikes, so the reason for the change in the first place, is why you have to wait. No fuckin argument, suck it up or move to another country to ride a big bike.

To the ones of you who are too big, don't be so fucking lazy. Go and apply for a licence amendment to ride a bigger bike. They hand those out with out much hassle.

I would have said it nicer, but at times Drew's delivery is succinct.... rep on its way :not:

[Parlane]

So I'm guessing the AA won't let me book my full for next year in August? :P

[Stevee2]

I think its also a matter of knowing your own limits, I would like my full because it makes life easier not having to worry about curfews etc however I wouldn't be upgrading from my 250. If people want to ride a big bike they will regardless of what the rules say.

[PeloNZ]

I hope this is real because end of this month I would've been on my 6R for 4 months AND I'm over 25. I chose not to do the course for lots of reasons and was quite happy to wait 6 months (I love my FZR). This will p me right off if I can't go for my full in 10 weeks. I DON'T want to wait another 14 months:mad:. Mostly as I wanted to be able to ride at night. I work night shift and can finish between 1200-0400 in the morning any day of the week.

You can (or used to be able to) apply for a work-related license exemption for this sort of situation. Might be worth looking into?

[Parlane]

Ok so heres the down low... Went into AA first thing this morning: "I'd like to pay for my full mc test please (as per what the website says)..." "No problems sir..when would you like to sit your test, we'll book it for you now also..." "EH? Sweeeeet... Anytime after november 30 thanks!" "How does December 4 sound?" "FUCKING AWESOME!!"

So in a nutshell get your asses in there and pay and book and you'll be able to do it when your time is ready, since you are under the old GDLS. At the end of November I will've held my restricted for 6 months, chose not to do the course, for various reasons. I'm stoked coz even though I had no intentions of upsizing my crotch rocket I was still planning on test riding heeeeaps of different bikes in the following months. And now can also ride legally home from work at 0230. DO IT!:2thumbsup

Be really awkward if you failed your test on a technicality ;) Make sure you have WOF and all your bulbs are good to go! (even the horn [which is not a bulb])

[Tricia1000]

quite correct. I have a student, who did restricted licence test beginning of Sept, did DDC, and has now booked full licence test in December.. Sweet!! (He's over 25)

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA


Ok so heres the down low... Went into AA first thing this morning: "I'd like to pay for my full mc test please (as per what the website says)..." "No problems sir..when would you like to sit your test, we'll book it for you now also..." "EH? Sweeeeet... Anytime after november 30 thanks!" "How does December 4 sound?" "FUCKING AWESOME!!"

So in a nutshell get your asses in there and pay and book and you'll be able to do it when your time is ready, since you are under the old GDLS. At the end of November I will've held my restricted for 6 months, chose not to do the course, for various reasons. I'm stoked coz even though I had no intentions of upsizing my crotch rocket I was still planning on test riding heeeeaps of different bikes in the following months. And now can also ride legally home from work at 0230. DO IT!:2thumbsup

[Surferdave]

Oh good, I'm not getting a big bike, I'm just gonna be out on the roads on other peoples. That's safer.

Surprised you were allowed to even book your restricted, never used to be allowed until you were eligable to test.

Hey Cock Jockey, get off your high horse. I will be test riding bikes from dealers as I'm goin to be looking a duals, tourers, sports and cruisers coz hey guess what? I like fucking bikes! I've been riding for years, marriage made me get a licence, the fzr 250 I own I want to keep and get the most out of it for now as its super tidy and low k's. I booked my FULL moron can't you read? And yes you never used to be allowed untill your time was up, but because of this new law change, they are allowing PRIOR to OCT 1st only. I have done more driving courses than you can poke a stick at, including snow and ice mountain driving and have all the licenses you can get, drive a fuel tanker for a living and you're calling me unsafe? What a self righteous prick. Go fuck your self you ignorant peasant. Not everyone out there is inexperienced like you and gray homo seem to think.

Besides its easy for you to have this attitude, but if the law had changed on you and you went from a couple of months to 14 months bet you would've cried like a little girl.

[Parlane]

Hey Cock Jockey, get off your high horse. I will be test riding bikes from dealers as I'm goin to be looking a duals, tourers, sports and cruisers coz hey guess what? I like fucking bikes! I've been riding for years, marriage made me get a licence, the fzr 250 I own I want to keep and get the most out of it for now as its super tidy and low k's. I booked my FULL moron can't you read? And yes you never used to be allowed untill your time was up, but because of this new law change, they are allowing PRIOR to OCT 1st only. I have done more driving courses than you can poke a stick at, including snow and ice mountain driving and have all the licenses you can get, drive a fuel tanker for a living and you're calling me unsafe? What a self righteous prick. Go fuck your self you ignorant peasant. Not everyone out there is inexperienced like you and gray homo seem to think.

Besides its easy for you to have this attitude, but if the law had changed on you and you went from a couple of months to 14 months bet you would've cried like a little girl.

This *thread* went downhill quickly...

*edit*

[Subike]

Hey Cock Jockey, get off your high horse. I will be test riding bikes from dealers as I'm goin to be looking a duals, tourers, sports and cruisers coz hey guess what? I like fucking bikes! I've been riding for years, marriage made me get a licence, the fzr 250 I own I want to keep and get the most out of it for now as its super tidy and low k's. I booked my FULL moron can't you read? And yes you never used to be allowed untill your time was up, but because of this new law change, they are allowing PRIOR to OCT 1st only. I have done more driving courses than you can poke a stick at, including snow and ice mountain driving and have all the licenses you can get, drive a fuel tanker for a living and you're calling me unsafe? What a self righteous prick. Go fuck your self you ignorant peasant. Not everyone out there is inexperienced like you and gray homo seem to think.

Besides its easy for you to have this attitude, but if the law had changed on you and you went from a couple of months to 14 months bet you would've cried like a little girl.

Owch...me in similar situation, but have been on KB long enough to know a reaction like this will..........owch

[Surferdave]

Owch...me in similar situation, but have been on KB long enough to know a reaction like this will..........owch

Yeah I apologise to all those sincere folk that read and interact with this forum in a non trolling way. I have been reading this forum for a good couple of years now and amongst the gems, from what seem to be quite decent folk, I'm amazed at some of (always the same ones) humans (for want of a better word), that are consistant in their negative, ignorant and opinionated remarks, statements and general bullshit they post on here. Rarely have they anything good to say, add or likewise do they start a meaningful thread. I don't suffer fools.

I joined the other day as I had found some legislation relevant to this thread and wanted to pass on such find to all those, irrespective of current experience level, who were in a similar situation with this new Oct 1st law change. I also had a good outcome booking my full today and wanted to share this, as only 5 more days and it's all over maybe. What good did Drews troll do? And his counterparts back up post (outdated wolf??)? Nothing.

So to all those old fart and otherwise "experienced riders" out there who have nothing better to do than rag on newbies or less experienced riders, or those whom you merely perceive to fall into this box of yours, know this:

1. You started out once too and possibly needed help/advice from those who carved the way prior to you at some stage
2. Road knowledge is road knowledge no matter what your wheeling, conditions of road, weather, time of day, volume of traffic etc. If I go too fast round a corner in my tanker it'll roll. If I go too fast round a corner in my SS commy it'll track wide, Landruiser, bike whatever they all handle differently and are thus operated accordingly.
3. Yes there is a problem with absolute shit road users out there, I see it everyday. If you genuinely want to help change things you need to reconsider your approach. Remember; people don't care how much you know untill they know how much you care.

In short if anyone wishes to enter into logical and meaningful discussion about anything with me please do I welcome it. If you've got nothing decent to contribute step the fuck down and leave us adults to continue the conversation, or expect to get ripped a new one via my ceasingly inventive defense mechanism.

Peace is carrying a bigger stick than the other guy and having the brains to never have to use it, so peace ya'll ...I mean it I had a coke and a smile:yes:

[Kickaha]

This *thread* went downhill quickly..
It normally does once Drew shows up

[Virago]

You've been learned a lesson, Drew...

[Drew]

Hey Cock Jockey, get off your high horse. I will be test riding bikes from dealers as I'm goin to be looking a duals, tourers, sports and cruisers coz hey guess what? I like fucking bikes! I've been riding for years, marriage made me get a licence, the fzr 250 I own I want to keep and get the most out of it for now as its super tidy and low k's. I booked my FULL moron can't you read? And yes you never used to be allowed untill your time was up, but because of this new law change, they are allowing PRIOR to OCT 1st only. I have done more driving courses than you can poke a stick at, including snow and ice mountain driving and have all the licenses you can get, drive a fuel tanker for a living and you're calling me unsafe? What a self righteous prick. Go fuck your self you ignorant peasant. Not everyone out there is inexperienced like you and gray homo seem to think.

Besides its easy for you to have this attitude, but if the law had changed on you and you went from a couple of months to 14 months bet you would've cried like a little girl.Hehehe, this is a great response.

There are fuckin shit loads of fucktards out there getting their full and doing just as you intend, but without the experience that you say you have.

No, I am not so self absorbed that I don't recognise the rules are there for me as they are everyone else. I have always said it is too easy to get a lisence in New Zealand. MOST people on our roads are NOT qualified to be in charge of a vehicle, if you drive for a living, you see it every fuckin day.

So don't get all fuckin teary eyed because I lumped you in with the majority, grow a pair and take it like your mamma did last night bitch.

[Drew]

Yeah I apologise to all those sincere folk that read and interact with this forum in a non trolling way. I have been reading this forum for a good couple of years now and amongst the gems, from what seem to be quite decent folk, I'm amazed at some of (always the same ones) humans (for want of a better word), that are consistant in their negative, ignorant and opinionated remarks, statements and general bullshit they post on here. Rarely have they anything good to say, add or likewise do they start a meaningful thread. I don't suffer fools.

I joined the other day as I had found some legislation relevant to this thread and wanted to pass on such find to all those, irrespective of current experience level, who were in a similar situation with this new Oct 1st law change. I also had a good outcome booking my full today and wanted to share this, as only 5 more days and it's all over maybe. What good did Drews troll do? And his counterparts back up post (outdated wolf??)? Nothing.

So to all those old fart and otherwise "experienced riders" out there who have nothing better to do than rag on newbies or less experienced riders, or those whom you merely perceive to fall into this box of yours, know this:

1. You started out once too and possibly needed help/advice from those who carved the way prior to you at some stage
2. Road knowledge is road knowledge no matter what your wheeling, conditions of road, weather, time of day, volume of traffic etc. If I go too fast round a corner in my tanker it'll roll. If I go too fast round a corner in my SS commy it'll track wide, Landruiser, bike whatever they all handle differently and are thus operated accordingly.
3. Yes there is a problem with absolute shit road users out there, I see it everyday. If you genuinely want to help change things you need to reconsider your approach. Remember; people don't care how much you know untill they know how much you care.

In short if anyone wishes to enter into logical and meaningful discussion about anything with me please do I welcome it. If you've got nothing decent to contribute step the fuck down and leave us adults to continue the conversation, or expect to get ripped a new one via my ceasingly inventive defense mechanism.

Peace is carrying a bigger stick than the other guy and having the brains to never have to use it, so peace ya'll ...I mean it I had a coke and a smile:yes:What good? Yeah, none. Pointing out that people who are soon not gonna be deemed capable, are getting in through a loop hole!

Road knowledge is not road knowledge! I really pray you don't end up another victim that thought he could peddle a gixxer thou, but only because it reflects on the rest of us badly. Otherwise I wouldn't give a rats arse really.

[Drew]

It normally does once Drew shows upI thought I was being pretty good all things considered.


You've been learned a lesson, Drew...Hahahahaha, he schooled me good.

[davereid]

Go fuck your self you ignorant peasant.

I must spread more rep before giving it to surferdave.

Kiwibiker is typical NZ.

Full of idiots and control freaks who like to be on top of other peoples lives.

[Surferdave]

What good? Yeah, none. Pointing out that people who are soon not gonna be deemed capable, are getting in through a loop hole!

Road knowledge is not road knowledge! I really pray you don't end up another victim that thought he could peddle a gixxer thou, but only because it reflects on the rest of us badly. Otherwise I wouldn't give a rats arse really.

I'd say your a waste of good oxygen but on the contrary if you do have a brain it clearly doesn't get enough oxygen in the first place. I can never go very fast on my bike coz those tears in my eyes are from my nuts dragging behind me.

No need to bring mums into it, you're the type that only a mum could love, so I won't go there. As for me reflecting on you badly HAHA thats funny you do that so well all by your self!

I'm sure the LTSA is very appreciative of you pointing out the flawed licensing system and its a shame they went with LAMS and didn't name it the D.R.E.W system,
Dickheads Riding Every Where!

[Drew]

I'm sure the LTSA is very appreciative of you pointing out the flawed licensing system and its a shame they went with LAMS and didn't name it the D.R.E.W system,
Dickheads Riding Every Where!Actually, I did give detailed feed back when the systems in place were being reviewed. I did so in constructive ways, explaining my reasons for ideas put faorward.

I wouldn't bother doing such on here, and if you had read two years worth of this place as you say, you would know damned well why.

I have no issue with the LAMS list on the whole, there are a couple bikes on there that shouldn't be, and a few aren't that should be.

You can continue trying to make out I said something I didn't, or you can get over it man. I'm happy either way, if we're gonna start shit slinging proper though, you need some better material. My 13 year old daughter is more offensive than you are.

[Surferdave]

You can continue trying to make out I said something I didn't, or you can get over it man. I'm happy either way, if we're gonna start shit slinging proper though, you need some better material. My 13 year old daughter is more offensive than you are.

FUCK!! The last thing this world needs is homo sapiens like YOU breeding. I would be hanging my head in shame if I had a kid like that. My quip about LAMS went straight over your head...WE'RE not starting anything, I was merely trying to bring some form of intelligence back into this thread. Unfortunately the I.Q. rate dropped far to low when you swung from the trees into this thread that I must concede defeat. There is no reasoning with a sack of shit, all its good at is stinking everything up.

[Drew]

FUCK!! The last thing this world needs is homo sapiens like YOU breeding. I would be hanging my head in shame if I had a kid like that. My quip about LAMS went straight over your head...WE'RE not starting anything, I was merely trying to bring some form of intelligence back into this thread. Unfortunately the I.Q. rate dropped far to low when you swung from the trees into this thread that I must concede defeat. There is no reasoning with a sack of shit, all its good at is stinking everything up.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, yeah, you are bringing the intellect back to this thread big time!

Care to point out just what went over my head? After a re-read I am confident I correctly replied, to point out your sarcasm was way off target. Oh yeah, look up "quip", you're not using it right.

[Parlane]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, yeah, you are bringing the intellect back to this thread big time!

Care to point out just what went over my head? After a re-read I am confident I correctly replied, to point out your sarcasm was way off target. Oh yeah, look up "quip", you're not using it right.

Silly peasant.

[ProTuned]

Bummer that they didnt keep the DDC course running for those already in the system, I've never had any accidents or traffic infringements..YET..

One of the main reasons I need my full, is so that I don't have this stupid restriction about riding at night as I tend to need the bike at night.

[Fast Eddie]

..this stupid restriction about riding at night as I tend to need the bike at night.

are you batman?

[Drew]

Bummer that they didnt keep the DDC course running for those already in the system, I've never had any accidents or traffic infringements..YET..

One of the main reasons I need my full, is so that I don't have this stupid restriction about riding at night as I tend to need the bike at night.

Go into the AA, and apply for an exemption of licence conditions. Then you can ride at all hours.

[Glowerss]

Bummer that they didnt keep the DDC course running for those already in the system, I've never had any accidents or traffic infringements..YET..

One of the main reasons I need my full, is so that I don't have this stupid restriction about riding at night as I tend to need the bike at night.

What Drew said. Getting a nighttime exemption is well it's a pain in the ass as you have to get your boss to state you work these hours and the exemptionm only applies on the certain days/times you say youll need it. It's still stupidly anal.

Conversely, just don't get pulled over. Then you have an exemption without applying for one! Shit I've been riding a 400 on my L ever since I heard about LAMS and didn't feel like spending 4k for a beaten to death 250. Just don't ride like a prick and it shouldn't be a problem.

[Surferdave]

Actually, I did give detailed feed back when the systems in place were being reviewed. I did so in constructive ways, explaining my reasons for ideas put faorward.

I wouldn't bother doing such on here, and if you had read two years worth of this place as you say, you would know damned well why.

I have no issue with the LAMS list on the whole, there are a couple bikes on there that shouldn't be, and a few aren't that should be.

You can continue trying to make out I said something I didn't, or you can get over it man. I'm happy either way, if we're gonna start shit slinging proper though, you need some better material. My 13 year old daughter is more offensive than you are.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, yeah, you are bringing the intellect back to this thread big time!

Care to point out just what went over my head? After a re-read I am confident I correctly replied, to point out your sarcasm was way off target. Oh yeah, look up "quip", you're not using it right.


The former part of your 1st post I'm quoting here, is why it went over your head. I wasn't so much as refering to the LAMS inasmuch that I was using it to create the acronym from drew, (hence the quip, which I can post the definition here if you really want...) which sums up your attitude that every person currently going through the licensing process is an idiot and is getting in by a loop hole (Wtf? It was the law which is about to be changed unless I'm mistaken, not a loop hole. You can get your license in X amount of time depending on age and ddc's done etc now being changed), and therefore unsafe to be on the road riding. Hence why I made a quip in the form of an acronym that Drew thinks there are dickheads riding everywhere, except him, and because your so involved in gassing on about it they should've named the new system after you because your input is just too valuable, hence the sarcasm (again rightly implied as to being a quip).

All in all I must apologise to you though as I have broken 1 of my life rules which is to never make fun of intellectually handicapped people. So I am really sorry for all the negative and nasty things I have said about you, it's not your fault you're retarded.

[Drew]

The former part of your 1st post I'm quoting here, is why it went over your head. I wasn't so much as refering to the LAMS inasmuch that I was using it to create the acronym from drew, (hence the quip, which I can post the definition here if you really want...) which sums up your attitude that every person currently going through the licensing process is an idiot and is getting in by a loop hole (Wtf? It was the law which is about to be changed unless I'm mistaken, not a loop hole. You can get your license in X amount of time depending on age and ddc's done etc now being changed), and therefore unsafe to be on the road riding. Hence why I made a quip in the form of an acronym that Drew thinks there are dickheads riding everywhere, except him, and because your so involved in gassing on about it they should've named the new system after you because your input is just too valuable, hence the sarcasm (again rightly implied as to being a quip).

All in all I must apologise to you though as I have broken 1 of my life rules which is to never make fun of intellectually handicapped people. So I am really sorry for all the negative and nasty things I have said about you, it's not your fault you're retarded.

Wow, that makes perfect sense now.:lol:

I want to know, why you think that even though the powers that be have decreed, no less than 18 months is enough before a full license can be obtained, that you and people who would have been eligible under the old system are exempt from that time frame?

Do you get it? Why are you safer to the general public based on when you booked your license, instead of how much experience you might have?

It's actually completely moot as far as I see it anyway, because there is still not enough emphasis on vehicle control for private users.

I assume a scholar such as yourself was trained quite rigorously in truck maneuvering, before you were let loose to show your intellect and driving godliness in a professional capacity, why should that not be mandatory for all road users?

[Drew]

What Drew said. Getting a nighttime exemption is well it's a pain in the ass as you have to get your boss to state you work these hours and the exemptionm only applies on the certain days/times you say youll need it. It's still stupidly anal.

Conversely, just don't get pulled over. Then you have an exemption without applying for one! Shit I've been riding a 400 on my L ever since I heard about LAMS and didn't feel like spending 4k for a beaten to death 250. Just don't ride like a prick and it shouldn't be a problem.Yeah, I had a 250 for about 3 months I think, then moved on.

Used to be no fine though, just an extension of learner/restricted license time. Now it's a fine and demerits!

[ProTuned]

are you batman?

Yeah, keep it quiet. The Batmobile is out of service.

[Twitch]

Yeah, I had a 250 for about 3 months I think, then moved on.

Used to be no fine though, just an extension of learner/restricted license time. Now it's a fine and demerits!

Yeah this is exactly what I was expecting. Someone that broke the law when they were going through their licence (and no doubt still does) is now waving their big stick. See, some people actually abide by the law and take it seriously because although we don't agree with it always, we respect it. Generally it's there to keep people safe, and protect them from themselves... oh hang on, natural selection right? Well you must be doing something right I suppose!
Hey what's the difference between someone taking 12 months to get their full on a 250, then buying a big bike and killing themselves on it, and someone taking 2 years to get their licence on a slow ass bike on hte LAMS list then buying a big bike and still killing themselves? Nothing. If they don't have the skills and jump up the bike sizes too quick then the result will still be the same.

We all need education. Bring on the new skils courses I say, but make it snappy, I want to learn shit before I get too many bad habits!
I don't care that it's going to take longer to get that full licence. I was just asking the question!

I hate forums when they go feril.

[Drew]

Yeah this is exactly what I was expecting. Someone that broke the law when they were going through their licence (and no doubt still does) is now waving their big stick. See, some people actually abide by the law and take it seriously because although we don't agree with it always, we respect it. Generally it's there to keep people safe, and protect them from themselves... oh hang on, natural selection right? Well you must be doing something right I suppose!
Hey what's the difference between someone taking 12 months to get their full on a 250, then buying a big bike and killing themselves on it, and someone taking 2 years to get their licence on a slow ass bike on hte LAMS list then buying a big bike and still killing themselves? Nothing. If they don't have the skills and jump up the bike sizes too quick then the result will still be the same.

We all need education. Bring on the new skils courses I say, but make it snappy, I want to learn shit before I get too many bad habits!
I don't care that it's going to take longer to get that full licence. I was just asking the question!

I hate forums when they go feril.I'm by no means Holier than anyone. I am not to be used as an example. But I did not jump off my 250 onto anything faster than half the 250s that were available at the time.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, re my attitude towards the law. I break them, and do so knowing full well that I will be done if I get caught. Natural selection avoidance? Prolly more luck to be honest, early on for sure.

Now toward the end, you and I are on the exact same page. Riders need to learn how to ride!

No system will be perfect, but ours is appaling. So is our attitude on the whole. Every cunt thinks he's Rossi, and flat out refuses to see their short comings.

[Surferdave]

Wow, that makes perfect sense now.:lol:

I want to know, why you think that even though the powers that be have decreed, no less than 18 months is enough before a full license can be obtained, that you and people who would have been eligible under the old system are exempt from that time frame?

Do you get it? Why are you safer to the general public based on when you booked your license, instead of how much experience you might have?

It's actually completely moot as far as I see it anyway, because there is still not enough emphasis on vehicle control for private users.

I assume a scholar such as yourself was trained quite rigorously in truck maneuvering, before you were let loose to show your intellect and driving godliness in a professional capacity, why should that not be mandatory for all road users?

Valid points and questions there. As for your last statement, you flatter me...no need for that.

1st point you kinda really answered...I'm still eligible under the old system, nothing to do with being exempt. In fact, had I chosen to do a DDC I would have my full now. Would've got it at the start of this month and gone from learner to full in 9 months as I'm well past 25 years old. Just to clear up any questions that may arise as to why I didn't do a DDC, it came down to a mixture of: 1. Time frame due to the fact I work evening, by the time I completed the course I would've only saved myself a couple of months so why spend the money? 2. The course components taught; Searching (eye scanning), Assessing (hazard identification) and Reducing Risk (risk management), I've already done two driving courses teaching that, one recently, and then all you do is drive around in a car to put it into practice. What a joke! Ultimately I was happy to wait 6 months to go for my full. But not 18 fucking months! (Would be 14 months on Oct 1st). Fuck that! Would you?

As to why you think that I think I'm safer? This brings me back to Road knowledge (experience) is the same no matter what you drive or ride. You need to know your rules and be able to put them to use in the correct manner and be able to read the constantly changing environment. These inexperienced plebs that you refer to and go on about are and will be like that on a bike or in a cage. They're dickheads and a menace on the road. I see it everyday. I see it from riders and cars alike and cringe. The only reason I don't see it from riders as often as other road users is there is less of us compared to cars n trucks.

Lets look at the flip side. Why do YOU think I or anyone else for that matter, am unsafe? Consider this: These unsafe and dangerous road users although we hear and read about it alot are actually a minority. You don't read in the paper how the considerate trucky let people into the traffic jam and he doesn't block up intersections like other road users at peak times and doesn't tail gate and pulls over to let traffic pass when it's safe. No. the only time you'll hear about him is when he crashes his truck or rolls it more likely due to fatigue, as opposed to him being a shit driver. Same with the lady in Honda Civic didn't see the MC due to lack of concentration more likely. I've lost count of the amount of times I've noticed a driver looking LEFT as they approach an intersection..HELLO! The flow of traffic is from your right first! Don't even get me started on fucking texting. I can always tell when I'm following someone whose doing that!

As to the whole thing being moot as you refer, this is where we are in absolute agreement. Time is not a factor, the ability to operate and control your vehicle in a safe and efficient manner is all too important. Consider average Joe: "Yay finally 18 months is up I can go sit my full..." hang on Mr. Joe how many times have you ridden your bike in the past 18 months? Joe: "Umm done about 6000k maybe coz I only go out on weekends when its dry..." and how often do you drive/ride in fog? Rain? At night? In peak traffic? Do you tail gate? Indercate? Time should not be a restrictive factor for any class of license, driver education should be compulsory for ALL road users. But when our supposed thoughtful and all knowing "powers that be" as you have stated were approached with this proposal around 8 years ago because some European countries have good driving statistics because they are all taught professionally (not by mum and dad), how to drive from a young age, our, at the time Transport Minister replied "Oh no we don't want them to do those courses and then think they're better drivers than they are..." Go figure dude.

As with truck driving training, there is a little bit when you go for each class but nothing really good but it is better than car or bike licensing and the reason is that trucks can do way more damage and cause more injuy if something goes wrong and it's all about the dollar value. Why are MC riders being taxed with ACC more yet probably majority of the accidents are not our fault...? Smidsy would be at fault a lot of the time, like the pigcop that did a you turn on the west coast and killed two MC riders, but we cost ACC more coz we got next to no protection. And we do have so many cowboy truckers out there that are not professional at all! However the ratio of good truck drivers would be far higher than those in cars or on bikes.

[Subike]

Im too fucking old and slow to be a rossi.
If I was 30 years younger then maybe, But old hands, old reflexes and old er bikes means going slower and enjoying it is worth the effort.
but heck, ridden big bike for years without a license, now that Im actually getting an R6 license, I have to be on a restricted for 18mths,
fuck, all Im doing is learning how to go slower.

[Surferdave]

Im too fucking old and slow to be a rossi.
If I was 30 years younger then maybe, But old hands, old reflexes and old er bikes means going slower and enjoying it is worth the effort.
but heck, ridden big bike for years without a license, now that Im actually getting an R6 license, I have to be on a restricted for 18mths,
fuck, all Im doing is learning how to go slower.

Thats funny and sad dude and I can totally relate, I rode my first bike when I was 14 and just got my 6L last year after a few years battle with my wife I'm mid 30's now haha. My last bike was a 400 sport and went like cut cat! She hated me going out thinking I'd be walking home after getting pinged by the coppers, costing us heaps of time and money so fair enough, I got my license and she happy now... needed to be done I was just being stubborn...don't need no stupid license tell me I can ride a bike...

[Drew]

Valid points and questions there. As for your last statement, you flatter me...no need for that.

1st point you kinda really answered...I'm still eligible under the old system, nothing to do with being exempt. In fact, had I chosen to do a DDC I would have my full now. Would've got it at the start of this month and gone from learner to full in 9 months as I'm well past 25 years old. Just to clear up any questions that may arise as to why I didn't do a DDC, it came down to a mixture of: 1. Time frame due to the fact I work evening, by the time I completed the course I would've only saved myself a couple of months so why spend the money? 2. The course components taught; Searching (eye scanning), Assessing (hazard identification) and Reducing Risk (risk management), I've already done two driving courses teaching that, one recently, and then all you do is drive around in a car to put it into practice. What a joke! Ultimately I was happy to wait 6 months to go for my full. But not 18 fucking months! (Would be 14 months on Oct 1st). Fuck that! Would you?No I wouldn't do it. The reason I brought it up is I'd like as much chance of kiwi drivers knowing what they're doing as possible. I get why you haven't, but the system coming in, is coming in because all of the possible stuff you could have done to shorten your time, makes no difference at all. Not to single you out as a hazard.


As to why you think that I think I'm safer? This brings me back to Road knowledge (experience) is the same no matter what you drive or ride. You need to know your rules and be able to put them to use in the correct manner and be able to read the constantly changing environment. These inexperienced plebs that you refer to and go on about are and will be like that on a bike or in a cage. They're dickheads and a menace on the road. I see it everyday. I see it from riders and cars alike and cringe. The only reason I don't see it from riders as often as other road users is there is less of us compared to cars n trucks.You're kinda saying the same thing I am, you know that right? But road knowledge is not vehicle control, and when the shit hits the fan, most people turn into squids.


Lets look at the flip side. Why do YOU think I or anyone else for that matter, am unsafe? Consider this: These unsafe and dangerous road users although we hear and read about it alot are actually a minority. You don't read in the paper how the considerate trucky let people into the traffic jam and he doesn't block up intersections like other road users at peak times and doesn't tail gate and pulls over to let traffic pass when it's safe. No. the only time you'll hear about him is when he crashes his truck or rolls it more likely due to fatigue, as opposed to him being a shit driver. Same with the lady in Honda Civic didn't see the MC due to lack of concentration more likely. I've lost count of the amount of times I've noticed a driver looking LEFT as they approach an intersection..HELLO! The flow of traffic is from your right first! Don't even get me started on fucking texting. I can always tell when I'm following someone whose doing that!No there not a minority I reckon. Which is why I expect you to be no different. On a bike, most people are fucked when the it goes wrong.

I get what your saying, but I don't base my opinion on the media. I watch people not know how to ride properly, and form an opinion from that.


As to the whole thing being moot as you refer, this is where we are in absolute agreement. Time is not a factor, the ability to operate and control your vehicle in a safe and efficient manner is all too important. Consider average Joe: "Yay finally 18 months is up I can go sit my full..." hang on Mr. Joe how many times have you ridden your bike in the past 18 months? Joe: "Umm done about 6000k maybe coz I only go out on weekends when its dry..." and how often do you drive/ride in fog? Rain? At night? In peak traffic? Do you tail gate? Indercate? Time should not be a restrictive factor for any class of license, driver education should be compulsory for ALL road users. But when our supposed thoughtful and all knowing "powers that be" as you have stated were approached with this proposal around 8 years ago because some European countries have good driving statistics because they are all taught professionally (not by mum and dad), how to drive from a young age, our, at the time Transport Minister replied "Oh no we don't want them to do those courses and then think they're better drivers than they are..." Go figure dude.

As with truck driving training, there is a little bit when you go for each class but nothing really good but it is better than car or bike licensing and the reason is that trucks can do way more damage and cause more injuy if something goes wrong and it's all about the dollar value. Why are MC riders being taxed with ACC more yet probably majority of the accidents are not our fault...? Smidsy would be at fault a lot of the time, like the pigcop that did a you turn on the west coast and killed two MC riders, but we cost ACC more coz we got next to no protection. And we do have so many cowboy truckers out there that are not professional at all! However the ratio of good truck drivers would be far higher than those in cars or on bikes.You suprise me. Without all the emotion and name calling I could believe the comment about trying to bring an intelligent argument to the thread.

I don't think for a second that the powers that be have a clue by the way, and if you look at what I originally said, the real direction my finger was pointed at them for letting the likes you (who might not be any good on the road), through a crack in a system.

Not encouraging to hear that even as a professional driver, your training was pretty lax.

I wont get into blaming everyone else. We seem to be getting along for the moment and I feel too warm and fuzzy to ruin it so soon.

[Drew]

Im too fucking old and slow to be a rossi.
If I was 30 years younger then maybe, But old hands, old reflexes and old er bikes means going slower and enjoying it is worth the effort.
but heck, ridden big bike for years without a license, now that Im actually getting an R6 license, I have to be on a restricted for 18mths,
fuck, all Im doing is learning how to go slower.

I was talking in general terms again, I should stop doing that.

I mean most riders think they know what they're doing. Then when it goes pair shaped, they cannot see where they went wrong in avoiding it.

[Glowerss]

I was talking in general terms again, I should stop doing that.

I mean most riders think they know what they're doing. Then when it goes pair shaped, they cannot see where they went wrong in avoiding it.

You keep this up, and people might mistake you for katman :girlfight:

[Surferdave]

No I wouldn't do it. The reason I brought it up is I'd like as much chance of kiwi drivers knowing what they're doing as possible. I get why you haven't, but the system coming in, is coming in because all of the possible stuff you could have done to shorten your time, makes no difference at all. Not to single you out as a hazard.

You're kinda saying the same thing I am, you know that right? But road knowledge is not vehicle control, and when the shit hits the fan, most people turn into squids.

No there not a minority I reckon. Which is why I expect you to be no different. On a bike, most people are fucked when the it goes wrong.

I get what your saying, but I don't base my opinion on the media. I watch people not know how to ride properly, and form an opinion from that.

You suprise me. Without all the emotion and name calling I could believe the comment about trying to bring an intelligent argument to the thread.

I don't think for a second that the powers that be have a clue by the way, and if you look at what I originally said, the real direction my finger was pointed at them for letting the likes you (who might not be any good on the road), through a crack in a system.

Not encouraging to hear that even as a professional driver, your training was pretty lax.

I wont get into blaming everyone else. We seem to be getting along for the moment and I feel too warm and fuzzy to ruin it so soon.

The reaction was merely a defensive mechanism, from being implied to as being an unsafe and or inexperienced rider/driver, by someone I've never met and don't know. I knew what you were getting at from the offset but resented the implication toward me as its completly untrue and could be viewed as defammation. Note the use of the word "could".


I get what your saying, but I don't base my opinion on the media. I watch people not know how to ride properly, and form an opinion from that. So how exactly did you form your opinion of me then since we've never met and it was only my second post after joining this community? Perhaps jumping the gun based on the fact I happen to be on my restricted? You've certainly never observed me...My opinion is also based on what I do see everyday when I'm out on the road, not on the media.


Not encouraging to hear that even as a professional driver, your training was pretty lax. You need to stop making all this personal its what gets peoples heckles up. MY training has been more than sufficient. The INDUSTRY training...what can I say? Your next battle to take up with the LTSA maybe? Like I said earlier there are heaps of shitarse cowboy truckers and that fucks me off.


On a bike, most people are fucked when the it goes wrong. Good riders see potential situations and react accordingly for preventative measures. Any good DDC will teach that. Again it goes back to you and me agreeing that its not a time thing is driver training. The minority get it the majority don't, hence they not only find themself in a sticky situation but then turn to jelly coz they have no idea how to react or they react totally wrong. Game Over.


All in all dude so you can sleep easy and we can end on a happy good note please try to understand this. I don't think I'm the best driver/rider in the world. I am always open for more training etc as I have the philosophy I can always get better. I DO have over 20 years of driving/riding experience and 18 years heavy vehicle. I've driven in the worst conditions you can imagine and would consider myself a competant and safe driver. To sum up: you're preaching to the choir!

Peace:cool:

[Twitch]

I'm by no means Holier than anyone. I am not to be used as an example. But I did not jump off my 250 onto anything faster than half the 250s that were available at the time.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, re my attitude towards the law. I break them, and do so knowing full well that I will be done if I get caught. Natural selection avoidance? Prolly more luck to be honest, early on for sure.

Now toward the end, you and I are on the exact same page. Riders need to learn how to ride!

No system will be perfect, but ours is appaling. So is our attitude on the whole. Every cunt thinks he's Rossi, and flat out refuses to see their short comings.

I think we are all on the same page... you just have a really bad way of expressing it man!
Jeez, stop saying we all think we're Rossi, not all bikers are like that and it's no wonder you get into arguments! I think it'd almost be fair to say you thought you were Rossi (or whoever was top dog) when you were younger, just don't put all riders in that same box, some of us try to be a bit more sensible than that.
You are not to be used as an example huh? So stop using us as examples of little pricks that want a big bike as soon as they are allowed one!!?? You got the wrong end of the stick and off you went! lol I'm sure there are people like that on here but I am sure not one of them and I'd like to think they are the minority here too.

Not discussing this further as it's stupid.

[GrayWolf]

I think we are all on the same page... you just have a really bad way of expressing it man!
Jeez, stop saying we all think we're Rossi, not all bikers are like that and it's no wonder you get into arguments! I think it'd almost be fair to say you thought you were Rossi (or whoever was top dog) when you were younger, just don't put all riders in that same box, some of us try to be a bit more sensible than that.
You are not to be used as an example huh? So stop using us as examples of little pricks that want a big bike as soon as they are allowed one!!?? You got the wrong end of the stick and off you went! lol I'm sure there are people like that on here but I am sure not one of them and I'd like to think they are the minority here too.

Not discussing this further as it's stupid.

Sadly Twitch, I have to agree with Drew, sadly because he is about right in what he says. Lets be pedantically honest. Bikes have evolved over the last 30 years from being transport (UJM) to weekend toys. I would say from just pure observation on the number of bikes on the road commuting Vs weekend warriors, that 70% of so called 'bikers' are just that 'weekend warriors'. Sunday morning, get out the 'ooooh look did 3000 km's last year, crotch rocket', don the one piece leathers and put on the alter ego (rossi paint job helmet) and lookitme, Im a biker! Then proceed to ride like a fucknut over the Taka's (over taking on blind corners, thrashing past a line of cars, and slam the brakes on, force themselves back into the traffic to avoid hitting the oncoming vehicle, scrape the pegs round a blind bend at speeds they wouldnt even have time to 'THINK' about applying the brakes in the event of an obstruction... etc, etc) So 18 months is too long? Nope, disagree totally. If you really looked at the times people actually ride a bike, again from observation, 90% are NOT riding in shit weather conditions. Fuck I know plenty who wont even ride in the wet/rain unless it catches them, out on the road. There are quite a few on here who do 20,000+km a year, but if you compared them against the number who do less than 10k a year? We are a small fraction. All I have to do is ride to Martinboro' in the height of summer, and again in the height of winter.... and I'll bet there is less than 20% of the summer bike numbers there in winter. When the number of 'UJM' style bikes or sport tourers outweigh the number of 'crotch rocket' toys on the road?? Then I MAY agree 18 months 'could' be too long..... and I just saw a porcine glide across my vision

[Drew]

You need to stop making all this personal its what gets peoples heckles up. MY training has been more than sufficient. The INDUSTRY training...what can I say? Your next battle to take up with the LTSA maybe? Like I said earlier there are heaps of shitarse cowboy truckers and that fucks me off. Wasn't directing my comments at you directly. It was a generalisation. I am no encouraged, that a truck driver is saying it's too easy for truck drivers to get out on the roads.

Untill now, I'd assumed that there was quite a bit of training required.


Good riders see potential situations and react accordingly for preventative measures. Any good DDC will teach that. Again it goes back to you and me agreeing that its not a time thing is driver training. The minority get it the majority don't, hence they not only find themself in a sticky situation but then turn to jelly coz they have no idea how to react or they react totally wrong. Game Over.


All in all dude so you can sleep easy and we can end on a happy good note please try to understand this. I don't think I'm the best driver/rider in the world. I am always open for more training etc as I have the philosophy I can always get better. I DO have over 20 years of driving/riding experience and 18 years heavy vehicle. I've driven in the worst conditions you can imagine and would consider myself a competant and safe driver. To sum up: you're preaching to the choir!

Peace:cool:I haven't observed you, I just lumped you in with the majority. Odds were I wasn't gonna be wrong.

So, if everyone here is in agreement that rider training is the answer to lower the road toll, and there was an open government forum not long ago asking for input as to how to do just that, why the fuck did the letter I got back say, "thanks for your ideas, we're ignoring them"?

[Katman]

You keep this up, and people might mistake you for katman :girlfight:

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[Glowerss]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

I was just takin the piss out of Drew mate. I actually agree with pretty much everything you say with regards to rider safety and taking responsibility and all of that bit.:clap:


Sadly Twitch, I have to agree with Drew, sadly because he is about right in what he says. Lets be pedantically honest. Bikes have evolved over the last 30 years from being transport (UJM) to weekend toys. I would say from just pure observation on the number of bikes on the road commuting Vs weekend warriors, that 70% of so called 'bikers' are just that 'weekend warriors'. Sunday morning, get out the 'ooooh look did 3000 km's last year, crotch rocket', don the one piece leathers and put on the alter ego (rossi paint job helmet) and lookitme, Im a biker! Then proceed to ride like a fucknut over the Taka's (over taking on blind corners, thrashing past a line of cars, and slam the brakes on, force themselves back into the traffic to avoid hitting the oncoming vehicle, scrape the pegs round a blind bend at speeds they wouldnt even have time to 'THINK' about applying the brakes in the event of an obstruction... etc, etc) So 18 months is too long? Nope, disagree totally. If you really looked at the times people actually ride a bike, again from observation, 90% are NOT riding in shit weather conditions. Fuck I know plenty who wont even ride in the wet/rain unless it catches them, out on the road. There are quite a few on here who do 20,000+km a year, but if you compared them against the number who do less than 10k a year? We are a small fraction. All I have to do is ride to Martinboro' in the height of summer, and again in the height of winter.... and I'll bet there is less than 20% of the summer bike numbers there in winter. When the number of 'UJM' style bikes or sport tourers outweigh the number of 'crotch rocket' toys on the road?? Then I MAY agree 18 months 'could' be too long..... and I just saw a porcine glide across my vision

I totally agree with you, I started riding back in March, and it's my only form of transport. I've probably put on 8-10k KMS in the last 7 months in just about every condition possible. I don't think that you'll be able to fix the problem you describe through law changes, however, unless you somehow make it compulsory they attend X amount of training like they do for cars.

This thread alone has a few people who couldn't be bothered with the licensing system when it was 9 months to a year to complete. How many people do you think will ignore the system now that it's 2 years and the tests are much stricter?

The problem you have Greywolf is with the type of people picking up riding now. The "rossi wannabes" as you put it. I don't think there's anyway you can stop them through laws from doing what they're going to do. If johnny wannabes life goal is to own an R6, he's going to own an R6. Even if he does wait the 2 years, do you think the new 2 year limit is going to force him to ride in shit weather? To get rider training? To do lots of Ks on a bike he doesn't want? I've known quite a lot of people who got their L, didn't ride for 6 months, practiced on a friends bike for a week, took the R, then rinsed and repeated for the full. 18 months to 2 years on their Ls and Rs isn't going to change that. Just increases their chance of failing the tests, which is a good thing I reckon. But unless you making the R and Full tests very difficult, you're still going to have muppets on the road on bikes they have no business on.

Assuming they go for a license at all.

[duckonin]

Sadly Twitch, I have to agree with Drew, sadly because he is about right in what he says. Lets be pedantically honest. Bikes have evolved over the last 30 years from being transport (UJM) to weekend toys.

Greywolf Bikes 30yrs back and beyond were only weekend toys also. Very few ever rode to work or even toured on them.:no: Makes me wonder why so many older persons are calling themselves returned bikers. Wellington bikies (gangs) only came out to play Friday and Saturday nights. That was more to just line up the machines along a street and to intimidate shoppers, plus make a lot of noise at the stop lights down Mannering street.

For the 18month job 'learners' it still makes no sence that persons can ride around on smaller bikes for 18 months barley clocking up 3000 k's over that period then allowed to be let loose on a seriously more powerful bike. So many come to grief . It's almost as if a log book system should be in place :laugh: and untill you have at least 10,000 k's logged then sorry you cannot obtain your full. Gezz that will make some on this site fizz up a mite.:msn-wink:

For some it can take many years to be proficent on a bike all atribtated to the number of k's per year they ride .

[duckonin]

So, if everyone here is in agreement that rider training is the answer to lower the road toll, and there was an open government forum not long ago asking for input as to how to do just that, why the fuck did the letter I got back say, "thanks for your ideas, we're ignoring them"?

No Drew I am not in agreement that rider training is the 'answer' to lowering the road toll but it may help...I fully support defensive driving courses.

Always thought they were not needed (driving courses) untill the company I worked for years back made all drivers attend. Out thoughts were what a waste of time. Apart from enjoying the day back in class having our heads played with, we all actually learned something.:msn-wink:

[GrayWolf]

Greywolf Bikes 30yrs back and beyond were only weekend toys also. Very few ever rode to work or even toured on them.:no: Makes me wonder why so many older persons are calling themselves returned bikers. Wellington bikies (gangs) only came out to play Friday and Saturday nights. That was more to just line up the machines along a street and to intimidate shoppers, plus make a lot of noise at the stop lights down Mannering street.

For the 18month job 'learners' it still makes no sence that persons can ride around on smaller bikes for 18 months barley clocking up 3000 k's over that period then allowed to be let loose on a seriously more powerful bike. So many come to grief . It's almost as if a log book system should be in place :laugh: and untill you have at least 10,000 k's logged then sorry you cannot obtain your full. Gezz that will make some on this site fizz up a mite.:msn-wink:

For some it can take many years to be proficent on a bike all atribtated to the number of k's per year they ride .

I agree with most of what you say Duck, I know and admit I was a 'fucknut' in the 70's... Kwaka 250 S1 (not a KH), L plates, and rode it out the bike shop door. I'll admit to being 'lucky' a few times and to a couple of bikes gathering a 'few' war wounds during the learning process. Now I do not know aboyt NZ 30-40 yrs ago, but Bikes and sidecars were a very often used cheap transport in the 50's/60's (UK). Even when I started in the 70's there were still a lot of 'old fuckers' riding Brit iron on the road. So I do base my views from this. I used to with a few mates frequently on long weekends thrash across Europe to Spain etc and back again in a 5 day period. Maybe because of traffic levels especially in London there were/are? a lot of motorcyclists. I absolutely agree on a 'log book' in fact what I would love to see is the 'stepped licence' system in place. An R6 as I have commented to death is FASTER than the original masterblaster Z1 by a considerable margin, and they with 80+bhp were considered INSANE in the 1970's. I think the inevitable is written on the wall via the crap going on in Europe, there will be enforced power/weight restrictions and power limits placed on bikes soon. You wont stop the idiots riding an R6, but I hope that having to wait for 2 years, may just allow for changes in circumstances of life. I did 20,000 miles in a year on an RD250E-dx back then, and man that was interesting as an experience. The good thing about todays bikes IS the improved technology, I would LOVE to see some of the rossiwannabe's riding in the same fashion on my old Kwaka H1A 500..... now that would be priceless to watch on the Taka's. Only a measly 60 odd BHP, hehehehe!

[nzbiker86]

Second this question. I'll be on my R next week. Does this mean I'll be able to take my full in December as I'm over 25 with a DDC, or am I stuck with the full restricted period? Is the cutoff those who get their R plates AFTER October first, or apply to ANYONE on an R plate?

I have my restricted this week, I take it you cant book any longer than 3 months in advance for you full licence? I wasn't in any rush to get tested as I am quite happy on my bike, but this is excessive. I didnt realise the DDC took over a week to complete. Does anyone know a 3rd party that could provide a cert and I complete the course after October 1st :D...that was a joke...but seriously if you do msg me!

[nzbiker86]

I have literally just got my R licence, so I gave AA a call and basically if you are on your R licence put in an application for your Full now. I haven't done a DDC, but as I have applied before 1st October I come under the old regs, which means my application will remain pending until I book my test date, which can be in 6 month time. Really happy with that outcome, its not something they have really advertised but it's a little loophole R licence holders can take advantage of.

[ProTuned]

I have literally just got my R licence, so I gave AA a call and basically if you are on your R licence put in an application for your Full now. I haven't done a DDC, but as I have applied before 1st October I come under the old regs, which means my application will remain pending until I book my test date, which can be in 6 month time. Really happy with that outcome, its not something they have really advertised but it's a little loophole R licence holders who who are over 25 can take advantage of.
Fixed. And graywolf, youre speaking the truth. respect

[GDOBSSOR]

Hi everyone,
You may have heard by now that ALL RESTRICTED LICENCE HOLDERS, from the 1st October, regardless of age, will now spend 18 months on their Restricted Licence. You will no longer be allowed to use the DDC or Street talk to shorten your time on Restricted Licence.
New Basic Handling starting on November 1st.
Lams starting on October 1st.
Tricia
RoADA (Dip)
Teaching Classes 1 and 6
consultant to NZTA
I was told, when I was rung up to confirm my street talk course (am doing it anyway as I need my full car license for work) that the government was replacing the Street Talk course with another advance motorcycling course that was more suited to motorcyclists and they could use that to shorten their time!

[Tricia1000]

Yep, that is true. But we haven't developed it yet. We have only just brushed the initial stages of this. It is called CBTA (Competency Based Training and Assessment), It is due to be implemented towards the end of 2013.

Tricia1000
RoADA(Dip)
Consultant to NZTA


I was told, when I was rung up to confirm my street talk course (am doing it anyway as I need my full car license for work) that the government was replacing the Street Talk course with another advance motorcycling course that was more suited to motorcyclists and they could use that to shorten their time!

[FJRider]

I was told, when I was rung up to confirm my street talk course (am doing it anyway as I need my full car license for work) that the government was replacing the Street Talk course with another advance motorcycling course that was more suited to motorcyclists and they could use that to shorten their time!

If you completed an approved advanced driving course (Street Talk or Defensive Driving Course) before 1 October 2012, you may be eligible for an exemption to reduce the time you spend in the restricted licence phase to less than 18 months. See the DL4 exemption form for further information.

Read this and know what there is to know.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/motorcycles/time.html