KTM Duke 200

[haydes55]

Check out what I saw in Boyds today!

KTM 200 Duke (http://www.ktm.com/naked-bike/200-duke-eu/highlights.html#.UEhKH7LiaLI)

Awesome looking Learners bike! Only 125kg apparently. They should have made one of these on the border of LAMs legal. Always liked the look of the bigger SuperDuke. Only $8000 brand new aswell. I'd prefer this over a Ninja.

[The End]

Check out what I saw in Boyds today!

KTM 200 Duke (http://www.ktm.com/naked-bike/200-duke-eu/highlights.html#.UEhKH7LiaLI)

Awesome looking Learners bike! Only 125kg apparently. They should have made one of these on the border of LAMs legal. Always liked the look of the bigger SuperDuke. Only $8000 brand new aswell. I'd prefer this over a Ninja.

That is one hell of a nice looking bike. I'm pretty sure it would be legal with the LAMS system? Isn't it if it's <250cc it is allowed? (with the exclusion of the high performance 250s though)

[haydes55]

That is one hell of a nice looking bike. I'm pretty sure it would be legal with the LAMS system? Isn't it if it's <250cc it is allowed? (with the exclusion of the high performance 250s though)

Yea definitely LAMs legal, I was meaning they should have made it a 400 or somewhere around there so it will be closer to the 150kw/tonne threshold.

[nallac]

Nice looking bike , perfect for a learners or commuters bike.......
269596

[Glowerss]

Nice lookin bike for sure, buuuuut

$8,000 for a 21 BHP naked bike? I mean, its beautiful for sure, but you can get a 23 BHP scorpio which is also a 125kg naked bike for like, half price brand new or a fourth of the price or less for very nearly new.

Shit, that's even more then the honda 250 CBRs. And while the mufflers may be fuuuuuuckin ugly, at least you get honda build quality.

I know HP isn't everything but yikes thats an awful lot of money for something that just looks pretty.

[haydes55]

Nice lookin bike for sure, buuuuut

$8,000 for a 21 BHP naked bike? I mean, its beautiful for sure, but you can get a 23 BHP scorpio which is also a 125kg naked bike for like, half price brand new or a fourth of the price or less for very nearly new.

I know HP isn't everything but yikes thats an awful lot of money for not a lot of bike.

Read some reviews on it and apparently it handles quite well and they have the engine making power through a wider rev range and is on par with a new CBR in acceleration specs. I think they wanted a good looking commuter bike that would be cheap on the gas and a little different. Was pretty comfy to sit on for 5 seconds, might be a good long distance cruiser for a smaller bike. Better than a skinny seat and leaning forward position like an fxr or cbr etc.

[White trash]

I wouldn't mind knowing an which planet a Scorpio makes more power than a 200 Duke. It's got a far better power to weight ration than any current NZ new 250 four stroke. It also has far better instrumentation and features than anything else available. I'm seriously considering getting one for a commuter/stunt bike but may wait for the 390 Duke (also LAMS apparently) early next year.

[Glowerss]

I wouldn't mind knowing an which planet a Scorpio makes more power than a 200 Duke. It's got a far better power to weight ration than any current NZ new 250 four stroke. It also has far better instrumentation and features than anything else available. I'm seriously considering getting one for a commuter/stunt bike but may wait for the 390 Duke (also LAMS apparently) early next year.

I guess it depends on where you look.

http://topmotorcyclepictures.blogspot.co.nz/2011/07/2011-yamaha-scorpio-z-225-price.html

Scorp is quoted as having 22 as is the duke http://www.bikedekho.com/specification/ktm/ktm-duke-200.html

but other sites are quoting the duke as having 25 BHP.

Either way, there's not a lot in it considering they weigh exactly the same. I'd take EFI over carbs any day and the duke is likely to be finished to a much higher standard.

However, 8k is still a bloody lot for a 200cc single cylinder bike.

If there is a 390 duke coming, that sounds bloody hot though :Punk:

[slydesigns]

The upcoming Duke is a 350 and will make an awesome stunt bike!

[haydes55]

The upcoming Duke is a 350 and will make an awesome stunt bike!

the 350 will be great to have a bit more power! Wouldn't want to stunt it though, unless it's 10 years on and cheap. Looks to good to break.

[ktm84mxc]

Line up a Duke, Scorpio, CBF which looks the more modern ? Yamaha's YZF 125 is comparable but more expensive etc.

[young1]

I am travelling in India at the moment and saw the 200 at the KTM dealer in Kolkata.

Here they cost less than $4,000 and have an extra feature..... a "sari guard" over one side of the back wheel (for women wearing saris who sit side saddle).

[Hailwood]

I saw a Duke 200 at TSS this afternoon and had to endure listening to Jimmy flop on about it...joking....he was raving about the first ride he had on it.....and in my opinion, that bike looks like the duck's nuts....very tasty bit of kit for sure..shame the seat height was too high my my lady otherwise it may have been a serious contender for her first bike.....

[White trash]

Wow! What a cool little bike.

While it doesn't quite perform like an MX bike, you can certainly feel the heritage in the way the revy little single makes its power. A real surge from 7000rpm up to the 10K shift light, with the limiter coming in at 10500rpm. The fueling is spot on regardless of rev range or throttle position and the little critter will comfortably accelerate away from 50kph in 6th gear.

My only slight annoyance is at a funny, tinny reverberation in the muffler at certain revs.

The chassis is small, sporty and light yet the ergonomics are comfortable for standard sized riders. Riding position is certainly "naked sports" with high, tucked back pegs and an upright riding stance.

Up to 100kph there's not a current model NZ New 250 that'll touch it. Above that speed and the lack of fairing will hurt the Dukes outright top speed but around road legal speeds it's an absolute hoot.

Handling is as you'd expect from the Austrian designers. Very tight and sharp. I need to wind on a bit more preload to the rear shock (the only adjustment available) as it squats a little too much to really hammer in the tight stuff but the little orange streety will carve through tight stuff with amazing ease compared to a bigger road bike yet lacks the "wobbliness" of a full on motard. If there's one thing that doesn't inspire confidence, I'd have to say it's the shape of the profile of the rear tyre. I'm not quite sure what's going on there but it's a little weired to say the least. The grip's really good though, and I doubt the riders that this bike's aimed at will ever lean it far enough to get anywhere near the questionable edge of the rear wrap.

The brakes are as we expect from any KTM, more than enough power for big rolling stoppies from the radial mount front caliper and excellent feel due to the standard fitment braided lines.

The instrument panel greets you with the "Ready to race" slogan upon start up then once in powered shows rev counter bar accross the top, gear position, speed in kph, fuel gauge and temp gauge. You can the scroll through the following displays. Average speed, average fuel consuption in both L/100km and km/L, total running hours, distance to next service, distance to refuel. Bright red shifltlight right at the top of the instrument cluster shouts out when it's time to swap cogs.

All in all I am VERY impressed with this bike. Before the haters start bashing on about how I'm biased because I work in a KTM dealership, I'll confirm I'm unashamedly biased towards the Austrian machines. They simply don't make a bike I don't like. But anyone in the market for either a learner legal sports bike or a funky commuter has rocoks in their head if they don't at least have a demo on a 200 Duke. It's wicked.

[White trash]

After 55km of "commuting" (thrashing) it's returning 33km/L. Not much wrong with that!

[Pumba]

So the real question is, do we find a smaller piston for it, or short stroke it to reduce the capacity to 150cc:drool:

[JafaSaffer]

There is a KTM Duke 390 coming out as well more here: http://www.zigwheels.com/news-features/news/ktm-390-duke-details-confirmed-to-be-unveiled-next-month/14433/

I spoke to the Pukekohe dealer today and he said about $10k

[White trash]

Well we're up to 180km on it and it's still averaging around 30km/L. Winding the little critter up through the gears will see a fairly realistic 130-135kph under controlled conditions on a closed road. It's remarkably quick to get there too, you just have to be a little mean and keep the little rev counter bar up around the 10 mark.

What I have found is that unlike a lot of small bikes, it's very stable doing slow speed wheelies and doesn't get wobbly on one wheel. This is really confidence inspiring as to hoist it properly you can really only do it in first gear, at low speed and then once nice and high you shift up a couple of gears. I'm totally shit at stoppies but I'm doing a little practice here and there and getting the hang of them. The bike's so light that the rear wheel gains height deceptively quickly so the "gently gently" approach will hopefully ensure it all stays right way up.

This is a SERIOUSLY cool little bike and I can't WAIT to try the 350cc 390 Duke coming soon.

[haydes55]

Well we're up to 180km on it and it's still averaging around 30km/L. Winding the little critter up through the gears will see a fairly realistic 130-135kph under controlled conditions on a closed road. It's remarkably quick to get there too, you just have to be a little mean and keep the little rev counter bar up around the 10 mark.

What I have found is that unlike a lot of small bikes, it's very stable doing slow speed wheelies and doesn't get wobbly on one wheel. This is really confidence inspiring as to hoist it properly you can really only do it in first gear, at low speed and then once nice and high you shift up a couple of gears. I'm totally shit at stoppies but I'm doing a little practice here and there and getting the hang of them. The bike's so light that the rear wheel gains height deceptively quickly so the "gently gently" approach will hopefully ensure it all stays right way up.

This is a SERIOUSLY cool little bike and I can't WAIT to try the 350cc 390 Duke coming soon.

I can't wait either, then wait another 5-10 years for a second hand one to be cheap enough for me to afford haha

[tons]

BikeRiderTV (on CueTV, Tuesdays 10.00pm) are reviewing the Duke 200 this coming week (4/12). Check it out.

Does anyone know whether the new 2013 Duke 200 with ABS is coming to NZ, and when etc?

[ckai]

We decided one of these would be the bike for Mum to get back into riding on. Mainly because of the weight, if she screwed up and dropped it, the 5 year old laughing across the road could bike it bike up.

Since she decided to bugger off to Europe for a few weeks holiday, I was in charge of breaking it in. 600+ km later and and I've found out a few things about it.

Because it's so light, if you're doing some high speed cornering and the road is a bit second hand (read: typical NZ road), the front can get a little "wiggly". It's certainly a predictable bike so it's not unsettling. If anyone is riding at the speed to do it I can't imagine they would do anything stupid like choke the bars to cause issues.

The kick stand and shifter setup causes one annoyance as well. If you have big feet, when moving the stand you can sometimes bump the shift linkage to jump it into gear. If you're aware of it, it's not a problem.

All in all though, very impressive bike. Bloody fun to ride (I ride a Daytona). The braided lines are pretty impressive for "learner" bike and shows the build quality. The comprehensive dash is another plus. If this was out when my wife and I were learning we would have brought two.

Honestly, for an extra $1000-1500 over the other 250's on the market. it's worth it. The only other learner bike I haven't played with is the mini-cbr but I still reckon the Duke is a no brainer.

I would say once Mum gets her grove back she'll be upgrading to the 390. That's gonna be a riot!!

[tons]

Because it's so light, if you're doing some high speed cornering and the road is a bit second hand (read: typical NZ road), the front can get a little "wiggly". It's certainly a predictable bike so it's not unsettling. If anyone is riding at the speed to do it I can't imagine they would do anything stupid like choke the bars to cause issues.

Do you mean it's best not to try to stop the wiggle?

[ckai]

Do you mean it's best not to try to stop the wiggle?

It's really like riding any bike - the more input you put into the bars when something "unexpected" happens the more you're forcing the bike to do something it doesn't want to do. This just pisses them off more.

So yeah, I just let it do it's thing. It's nothing stupid, but it would be unsettling for a learner. But like I said, a "learner" riding at the speed to get it to do this should know not to play with the bike. So when you're first starting out it's perfect and you can stick with it for a while since you can have so much fun in the corners.

The "wiggle" isn't really a wiggle, it's more of being able to feel everything the front wheel is doing because it's so light.

Yes, they're not as stable as a big fat lardy 250 like an Intruder or Hyosung or Ninja ;) but they're so nimble and predictable it doesn't matter and you certainly don't get blown around like you'd expect with a bike so light. You don't even worry about trucks coming the other way.

You think about turning on them and you turn. Really responsive. In fact, when I first go on it I was expecting it to be just a little better than everything else for similar money with regards to turning. First roundabout I got such a shock I had to sit the bike up because it turned so quick.

I think any new rider or someone looking for a round-town bike should at least take one for a ride.

I was thinking of giving it a blast around a track to see what it was like. Might still do. It'll be fun :)

[tons]

Thanks for the info ckai :msn-wink:.

Did anyone see the BikeRiderTV review of the Duke 200?

What did you think - I thought it was a bit mixed - some good, some not so good. I guess Kevin is used to riding top end bikes, so I guess any negative comments could be taken with that in mind?

[Grashopper]

Digging this thread out because this is one of the bikes I've been having my eye on.


..shame the seat height was too high my my lady otherwise it may have been a serious contender for her first bike.....

I've been wondering about that. KTM's usually not known to make bikes for vertically challenged people like me. I'm 1.65 m. How tall is your lady?


We decided one of these would be the bike for Mum to get back into riding on. Mainly because of the weight, if she screwed up and dropped it, the 5 year old laughing across the road could bike it bike up.



So how is the bike going after 2 month now? How does your Mum get along with it?


Has anyone else tried (bought?) the bike, yet?

[ckai]

Digging this thread out because this is one of the bikes I've been having my eye on.



I've been wondering about that. KTM's usually not known to make bikes for vertically challenged people like me. I'm 1.65 m. How tall is your lady?



So how is the bike going after 2 month now? How does your Mum get along with it?


Has anyone else tried (bought?) the bike, yet?

Just wiped out the measuring tape and checked wifey. She's 1.63 - give or take - and she's fine on it. In fact she loves it (not as much as the daytona mind you ;)). She helped decide to buy it.

Even though it's slightly taller than other learners, it's so much lighter that you can bounce it from foot to foot when stopped. He'll, you can even lift the front wheel!

As for how it is after 2 months, to be honest there hasn't been that many more ks put on it but mum loves it.

I was telling her about them bringing them out with abs and it didn't bother her one bit as she thinks the brakes are awesome (and they are!).

Sit on one if you haven't and swing it from side to side to feel the weight. You might be surprised.

[Grashopper]

Thank you very much for your reply ckai.

That sounds really promising. will buzz over to Hamilton some time and have a look (and sit).

[tons]

I jumped on the KTM NZ (and Aus) website this morning for the first time in a few weeks, and noticed the 2013 Duke 200 is now advertised (as was a 2013 Duke 125, although the 125 was tagged as Aus only).

The 2013 Duke 200 has ABS, and they had photos of it in the white colour scheme (where the white and orange have been swapped, and which formerly was only available in India, and makes it look a bit more like the Duke 390).

Good ole KTM aye!

[Grashopper]

Damn, that bike even looks good in white.

[tons]

I think white is a good colour for a bike, it must be more visible which has got to be a good thing.

Hmmm, I was thinking I'd get a 390 but with the 200 with ABS and in white, maybe the 200 could be an option after-all ... I guess may it may come down to price - if they hike the 200 price because of ABS etc then I think it would be worth the little bit more for the 390, which I understand is going to be $10K (interestingly the UK site lists the 390 for 4500 pounds and the 200 for 4195 pounds, which means the 390 is 1.0727 times the price of the 200 ... if the same ratio were to be applied to the prices in NZ, as the 200 is $7999 in NZ, the 390 should cost $8580.57 in NZ :().

[Grashopper]

The 200 is supposed to have a lot of torque already. With a 390 engine in the same chassis that must be a hell of a bike. :gob:

[actungbaby]

Check out what I saw in Boyds today!

KTM 200 Duke (http://www.ktm.com/naked-bike/200-duke-eu/highlights.html#.UEhKH7LiaLI)

Awesome looking Learners bike! Only 125kg apparently. They should have made one of these on the border of LAMs legal. Always liked the look of the bigger SuperDuke. Only $8000 brand new aswell. I'd prefer this over a Ninja.

I must admit i read about it first thought i go 250cc but sounds

Good little ktm still think go cbr myself but am biased

[actungbaby]

I must admit i read about it first thought i go 250cc but sounds

Good little ktm still think go cbr myself but am biased

7,400 for the cbr nice and have money for good helmet gloves

[tons]

Hi all

Does anyone know when the new 2013 model Duke 200's (with ABS etc) will be available in stores in NZ?

Please post if you have any info.

Cheers!

tons

[White trash]

June.

10 MFing characters

[Grashopper]

June.



Thanks. That is good to know.

[tons]

June.

10 MFing characters

June - cool :wings:. At least that is earlier than September for the 390 <_<.

10 MFing characters - what does that mean?

Thanks for the info!