Who needs enemies when there's family?

[wharekura]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10833314

Hate is a strong word, but I am sure this poor guy is not alone. Being "counseled" to not hate was a tough walk - but does teachings of forgiveness really get us through things like this. For me it helped but it took 25 years.

I just found out the guy is not alone: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10833309

[MIXONE]

There are plenty of people in the world who are only too happy to take advantage of any situation.Thankfully there are plenty of others who help instead but they of course aren't news worthy.

[neels]

Shit thing to do to family, there are some real lowlifes in the world.

So how long did he plan on living off his $33k for, if that was his retirement fund he was gonna be working anyway....

[duckonin]

Never again would I ever forgive, 'you should not of fucked with me' too long in the tooth for that shit now. Simple you should never of fucked with me in the first place. A good mate I am. Also a cunt of an enemy.

[Road kill]

Shit thing to do to family, there are some real lowlifes in the world.

So how long did he plan on living off his $33k for, if that was his retirement fund he was gonna be working anyway....

What I thought to.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Shit thing to do to family, there are some real lowlifes in the world.

So how long did he plan on living off his $33k for, if that was his retirement fund he was gonna be working anyway....


$33k invested in an interest bearing account would give him a $50 a week supplement to his pension for close to 20 years. If you are trying to live on a pension an extra $50 a week would make a much appreciated difference.

[Winston001]

So how long did he plan on living off his $33k for, if that was his retirement fund he was gonna be working anyway....

It might not sound much but for people with modest needs, it is a helleva lot of money. Its the difference betwen getting a new washing machine and not having one at all. Many older people on pensions live with sod-all savings but just enough to know they can at least buy a new fridge whatever if they need to.

Older people are vulnerable, they don't expect much, and having some dollars in the bank means a lot to them.

[wharekura]

There are plenty of people in the world who are only too happy to take advantage of any situation.Thankfully there are plenty of others who help instead but they of course aren't news worthy.
Yes, when I was penniless - part of earning my upkeep @ a place for the homeless - was to go around the bakeries and pickup the left overs to go towards the nightly meals. In easter, cadbury gave us their 2nds. There was heaps of other stuff which people donated food - all nameless, thankless, great people and businesses.

[wharekura]

Never again would I ever forgive...too long in the tooth...
For me the older I got the more I understood about forgiveness. I am not saying its easy and I will not dare tell u to try it too - everyone has their own path to peace.

[wharekura]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10834058

"I'm angry every day because I just don't get it. I don't understand why and I will never understand why. Why a child? Why give her to us and have her suffer most of her life to have her suffer and die? I don't understand. It's cruel.

"If there is a God, he's given us all this time to fall in love with her ... there's so much more we could have given her. I am angry. I hate cancer."

[Paul in NZ]

Well we all hate cancer - and motorcycle accidents....

Sometimes all you can do is say 'well, no matter how much this hurts, today its not me and so somehow I need to walk on another step'. Thats how we have to live life mate - a step at a time cos we can't all be rock stars ....

That wee girl had a shitty break but at least she knew love....

[Daffyd]

It makes me so bloody angry to read this. To know there IS a cure for cancer, but big "Pharma" is sitting on it because there is no money in curing it! The bastards should all be lynched!

[Winston001]

It makes me so bloody angry to read this. To know there IS a cure for cancer, but big "Pharma" is sitting on it because there is no money in curing it! The bastards should all be lynched!

Interesting Daffyd. What are you referring to?

[Daffyd]

Interesting Daffyd. What are you referring to?

There are actually about 40, mostly related to diet. But there was one discovered in South America that the locals use, extracted from the bark of a tree. Big Pharma has been trying for years to produce a synthetic version so they can patent and make money on it. To this date they have been unsuccessful so they are using every trick in the book to keep it under wraps.

As an aside; Big Pharma profits by between $800,000 & $1.2 million on EVERY breast cancer case. Why would they want to find a cure?

[Paul in NZ]

Interesting Daffyd. What are you referring to?

Hes not wrong....

The big pharmaceutical's business model relies on giving you a pill for a specific illness. However that not really how your body always work.. Sometimes you need to have a bit more of a holistic view. There have been many cases where reputable clinics have halted and sometimes reversed 'some' cancers by using vegan diets. Unfortunately changing peoples diets isn't going to make them any $$ at all... (although WW do OK out of it) This isnt quackery but scientific fact...

By way of evidence without going into specifics... Cancer and things like diabetes, asthma, obesity, arthritis etc etc and all lumped together as diseases of affluence and occur more regularly in wealthy societies than in primitive ones. If you want to read about it try reading 'The China Study'..

[Winston001]

Cancer is a generic name given to about 200 different types of unregulated cell growth. Normal cells divide and grow until they have repaired or replaced dead cells, then they stop. Cancerous cells keep right on going.

There can't be a single cure for cancer because it occurs in so many different ways, but eventually a range of cures will be found.

I seriously doubt that big pharma is suppressing medicines. If they were then Herceptin would not be available. A mate of mine has been employed researching a cure for arthritis for 20 years. That's 20 years of salaries and expensive laboratories...with no result.

[Daffyd]

By way of evidence without going into specifics... Cancer and things like diabetes, asthma, obesity, arthritis etc etc and all lumped together as diseases of affluence and occur more regularly in wealthy societies than in primitive ones. If you want to read about it try reading 'The China Study'..

What a coincidence! Funny that these are the most serious diseases of the affluent society and these are diseases that can be "controlled" with medication which only the affluent can afford. Note I said, "controlled"; curing would kill the goose that laid the golden egg.
Note also, that the common diseases prevalent in the third world countries have few or no drugs available... there would be no profit in that!

[imdying]

Note also, that the common diseases prevalent in the third world countries have few or no drugs available... there would be no profit in that!What's your point? Companies have shareholders, shareholders expect to get paid. They don't get paid, nobody gets squat. They should be making unprofitable drugs for what? Out of the goodness of their hearts? To be nice neighbours?

[Daffyd]

What's your point? Companies have shareholders, shareholders expect to get paid. They don't get paid, nobody gets squat. They should be making unprofitable drugs for what? Out of the goodness of their hearts? To be nice neighbours?

There's a difference between reasonable and excessive profit. Why can't some of the excessive profits be channeled into providing cheap drugs for poorer countries. Has the idea of good PR died a natural death?

[imdying]

There's a difference between reasonable and excessive profit.No there is not. Either they're providing a product at a price people will pay, or they're not. If they're not charging as much as they can get away with, they're just stupid.


Why can't some of the excessive profits be channeled into providing cheap drugs for poorer countries.Because those poorer countries aren't shareholders, which is where excess profits should be channelled. It's a business, not a charity.


Has the idea of good PR died a natural death?They don't need it, and why should they; they provide a service to their paying customers, which is the whole point of being in business.

[Daffyd]

No there is not. Either they're providing a product at a price people will pay, or they're not. If they're not charging as much as they can get away with, they're just stupid.

Because those poorer countries aren't shareholders, which is where excess profits should be channelled. It's a business, not a charity.

They don't need it, and why should they; they provide a service to their paying customers, which is the whole point of being in business.

I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[imdying]

Sure... I'm not sure where you hippies get off giving away other peoples money though.

[Daffyd]

Sure... I'm not sure where you hippies get off giving away other peoples money though.

I've never been called that before. FYI I'm a 70yo middle-class white male; you know, the most discriminated against class; who spent all my working life, (until May this year), and paying tax; sometimes excessively. I am now happy to receive the govt superannuation which is now my only income. I chose to move to the Philippines so I could remarry and live closer to the two children that I sponsor.

Is that your idea of a hippie?

[imdying]

Why can't some of the excessive profits be channeled into providing cheap drugs for poorer countries.Hippy behaviour.


Has the idea of good PR died a natural death?Why don't you just call it karma and be done with it ya dirty hippy :laugh:

[Ocean1]

It makes me so bloody angry to read this. To know there IS a cure for cancer, but big "Pharma" is sitting on it because there is no money in curing it! The bastards should all be lynched!


If you want to read about it try reading 'The China Study'..

I did. I found it difficult to understand, and went looking for some simpler correlation, and found this: http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
Which treated the same data in a manner a statistician might better approve of. Certainly, as a read it seemed to be less stilted, and coincidentially dissagreed with most of the original study's findings.

[mashman]

It makes me so bloody angry to read this. To know there IS a cure for cancer, but big "Pharma" is sitting on it because there is no money in curing it! The bastards should all be lynched!

maybe big pharma aren't required at all (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kanzius) and I believe that there were those before him, Dr. John HOLT being 1 and I'm pretty sure I saw something a couple of months ago that was discussing similar "technology" back in the 50's.

[Winston001]

maybe big pharma aren't required at all (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kanzius) and I believe that there were those before him, Dr. John HOLT being 1 and I'm pretty sure I saw something a couple of months ago that was discussing similar "technology" back in the 50's.

Mashie: let us be serious for a moment. Cancer is no fun. I have watched family members die slowly from this insidious disease. One lady tried alternative therapies which cost her and her husband their life savings...and she died right on schedule 5 years - as the doctors predicted.

If there really was a miracle treatment out there medical researchers would have seized on it decades ago and it would be used in our hospitals. The rich and the powerful are just as vulnerable as you and I. There are no simple answers.