I'm confused. What's the etiquette with a Can Am 3-wheel thing?

[Dangsta]

Went for a blat today and ended up behind one of those two wheel at the front and one at the back things. Do you treat them like a "normal" bike and be all polite and stuff or do you treat it like a car and fuck it up the fuckity-fuck first chance you get and zip by it? Also, do you give them the biker wave or is that reserved for two wheels?

[Haggis2]

Wave to the back and disdain for the front?

[nodrog]

Im confused, who cares?

[MSTRS]

Any interaction is with the rider, not the machine, surely. And people ride those things for a variety of reasons...all of which are much the same as the reasons for riding 2 wheels. So why would you even ask?

[Bassmatt]

Rego'ed as a car, car license only required, more than two wheels = car.

[actungbaby]

Went for a blat today and ended up behind one of those two wheel at the front and one at the back things. Do you treat them like a "normal" bike and be all polite and stuff or do you treat it like a car and fuck it up the fuckity-fuck first chance you get and zip by it? Also, do you give them the biker wave or is that reserved for two wheels?

Do what you think u want to do i thought thats what being motorclist shows your invidual hehe i wav to people on cam am spider

As i like the bikes and yeah its a motorcyle or more a quad come trike but still open aair travell got 1000cc vtwin motorcycle motor

Hell i wave to truck drivers too car drivers sometimes i drive a car

[Berries]

Do you treat them like a "normal" bike and be all polite and stuff
I must have missed that meeting. When are you meant to be polite to a 'normal' bike?


fuck it up the fuckity-fuck
Always.

[FJRider]

Rego'ed as a car, car license only required = car.

if it"s a car ... why are they allowed into Motorcycle Rally's ... ??? as most V8 trike's are.

[Bassmatt]

if it"s a car ... why are they allowed into Motorcycle Rally's ... ??? as most V8 trike's are.

If its a motorcycle why dont you need a motorcycle license?

[sootie]

if it"s a car ... why are they allowed into Motorcycle Rally's ... ??? as most V8 trike's are.
I have a mate with one of these - it is great in the sand dunes, but we really need to wait for it to get a bit older.
Here is one though: If it is registered as a car, why does it not have to be fitted with seat belts, and why do you not have to use them?

[FJRider]

They are registered as cars under the NZ vehicle registration system. That is because NZ's system does not have another way to cater for those vehicles design.

But it's the only system we have ... so we use it.

[F5 Dave]

Any interaction is with the rider, not the machine, surely. And people ride those things for a variety of reasons...all of which are much the same as the reasons for riding 2 wheels. So why would you even ask?

Not a rider. a Faux rider.

its not a bike. the 'bi' part means 2 wheels. 'Farmbikes' for example is a misnomer. They are utility vehicles.

[Big Dave]

Im confused, who cares?


Me. But we're talking vehicles, not lifestyles.

[sootie]

They are registered as cars under the NZ vehicle registration system. That is because NZ's system does not have another way to cater for those vehicles design.

But it's the only system we have ... so we use it.

That sounds reasonable, but how can you allow a car which does not need to be fitted with seat belts when all others do?? :nono:

[MSTRS]

Not a rider. a Faux rider.

its not a bike. the 'bi' part means 2 wheels. 'Farmbikes' for example is a misnomer. They are utility vehicles.

Yes, yes, but...

The 'operator' sits ON it, must wear a helmet, would be wise to wear all other gear as well, is just as exposed to the elements as a PTW rider ... etc
I know people who ride Spyders because they no longer feel able to support the weight of a motorcycle, yet they do not want to give up the (almost) riding experience.
So there...

[FJRider]

That sounds reasonable, but how can you allow a car which does not need to be fitted with seat belts when all others do?? :nono:

Cut one wheel off ... :yes: :shifty:

[Daffyd]

That sounds reasonable, but how can you allow a car which does not need to be fitted with seat belts when all others do?? :nono:

I wouldn't make too much noise about it... some shiny arse in Wellington will change the rules. They have to be seen to be doing summat, y'know.

[Corse1]

Any interaction is with the rider, not the machine, surely. And people ride those things for a variety of reasons...all of which are much the same as the reasons for riding 2 wheels. So why would you even ask?

Interesting thread this, I have ridden one and yeah be good to explore the boundaries of these three wheeled machines. They could be a lot of fun..............which is why we ride two wheel bikes.....right?

Are we segregating those on three wheels from those on two?? whats the difference between these and a trike also allowed at bike rallies etc? Wind in your face and all that. I dont like it when bike riders refer to cars as cages...come on they are a necessary mode of transport getting from A to B for the hum drum life of most people. People who ride Spyders do so for the thrill and getting away from normality. I agree with MSTRS and treat them like any other bike rider as interaction with the "rider".

Dont think I would choose three wheels over two though.............just saying:yawn:

[Big Dave]

Whatever they be, they are bloody good fun once you get the mojo of it.

[FJRider]

Dont think I would choose three wheels over two though.............just saying:yawn:

Many that ride them ... no doubt thought the same. Life often throws a few curve balls .... and two wheels may not be an option. If a Spyder/Trike fill's the gap ... so be it ...

[Corse1]

Many that ride them ... no doubt thought the same. Life often throws a few curve balls .... and two wheels may not be an option. If a Spyder/Trike fill's the gap ... so be it ...

Yep totaly agree with that. My time hasnt come yet but I aint getting any younger:blink:
Ive seen disabled people (if by bike accident or otherwise) riding the spyder and I can only say "Way to Fuckn go!!"
What ever spins your wheels and I am not the type of person who will tell anyone else how to enjoy THEIR life.

Curve balls eh! thats what lifes all about. I would have liked the curve ball of winning 27mill last night.:shutup:

[Ocean1]

I have a mate with one of these - it is great in the sand dunes

Funny, Mrs O's got horribly confused in the sand at Riversdale, had all 4 computers arguing about what the fuck was going on and what the fuck the boss wanted. On the other hand you could nail it at any speed in gravel and the back would hang out 6 inches. No more, and no less.


Here is one though: If it is registered as a car, why does it not have to be fitted with seat belts, and why do you not have to use them?

Somewhere behind the actual regulations is a protocol that talks about either/or seatbelt/helmet. Having said that white trash reckons you don't actually need a helmet, either...


I know people who ride Spyders because they no longer feel able to support the weight of a motorcycle, yet they do not want to give up the (almost) riding experience.
So there...

Yes. I know a few who physically can't ride bikes any more, for one reason or another and see spyders as a second chance.

[sootie]

Spyders (& probably Trikes generally) are really strange to follow. I ride in groups quite a bit, and when one of these things suddenly appeared all the two wheeled riders complained!
After a while you start to anticipate the lean, by watching the rider in front. I don't thinkgroup riders even realize what they are doing. Spyders corner almost dead flat like a car, and if you are the following rider, you tend to underestimate the bend curvature! I have got used to it now, but initially it caused a few headaches! :weird:

[FJRider]

Somewhere behind the actual regulations is a protocol that talks about either/or seatbelt/helmet. Having said that white trash reckons you don't actually need a helmet, either...


You only need safety gear if you fall off ... or crash. :shifty:

Kb'rs are too good to do that ...

[Dangsta]

Yeah I guess my question wasn't so much about whether they are fun to ride (which I'm sure they are), it was more about what you generally do when you come across one on the road. Would you wave, would you hang back a bit or would you treat it like a car and zip by it if you get an opportunity? What's the etiquette for something that's not a bike but not a car? I found myself a little confused sharing the road with one today and just wondered what y'all do.

[schrodingers cat]

Treat it like a Harley...

[davereid]

A trike is a motorcycle.

A Robin Reliant is a car.

No doubt the NZTA can pay themselves $200k each a year and still be confused about the difference.

At least they haven't yet worked out a way to charge you an admin fee for each time they can't decide, but I am sure there is a fees revision project being worked on right now, to find a way to charge you for them thinking about it. (Cost recovery of course, no profit motive.)

A Can Am is IMHO a motorcycle.

An expensive, slow, wide, hard to park motorcycle. But a motorcycle nonetheless.

Maybe when my balance gets as bad as my judgement I will get a trike. Not quite yet though.

[FJRider]

Yeah I guess my question wasn't so much about whether they are fun to ride (which I'm sure they are), it was more about what you generally do when you come across one on the road. Would you wave, would you hang back a bit or would you treat it like a car and zip by it if you get an opportunity? What's the etiquette for something that's not a bike but not a car? I found myself a little confused sharing the road with one today and just wondered what y'all do.

Harley riders don't wave ... and they have two wheels (usually/apparently) ...

I wave to cars too ... if the urge gets me ...

It's a free country so wave if you want. DON'T if you don't want too ... But don't whinge if nobody waves too you ...

[caseye]

SLOW! they are not. I sincerely hope they're still around when and if it comes time to give up my 2 wheels, cause I'd have one like a shot,even before a trike I reckon.

[Ocean1]

I found myself a little confused sharing the road with one today and just wondered what y'all do.

Whatever suits, dude.

And as usual, whatever you do tells the other guy something about you.


A Can Am is IMHO a motorcycle.

An expensive, slow, wide, hard to park motorcycle. But a motorcycle nonetheless.

Be mildly interesting to see if your sportster would be that slow. Straight line or curved ones.

Tell you one thing, don't follow one too close, they out-brake anything road legal I've ever played with.

[tigertim20]

Went for a blat today and ended up behind one of those two wheel at the front and one at the back things. Do you treat them like a "normal" bike and be all polite and stuff or do you treat it like a car and fuck it up the fuckity-fuck first chance you get and zip by it? Also, do you give them the biker wave or is that reserved for two wheels?

etiquette? treat it like every other vehicle on the road, assume they are a blind, ignorant brainless cunt who is out to kill you, and ride accordingly

[onearmedbandit]

Like trikes and quads, I don't consider them motorcycles. How I dealt with one would depend on how it is being used

[NighthawkNZ]

Went for a blat today and ended up behind one of those two wheel at the front and one at the back things. Do you treat them like a "normal" bike and be all polite and stuff or do you treat it like a car and fuck it up the fuckity-fuck first chance you get and zip by it? Also, do you give them the biker wave or is that reserved for two wheels?

Treat it like another vehicle on the road that you share with... whether bike, car, truck or van...

[haydes55]

I would wave, haven't come across one on a ride yet. They most likely go on roads that 2-wheelers enjoy and most likely appreciate 2-wheelers as well. Chances are 20 minutes down the road they will pull up behind you at a gas station or bakery (Cos we bikers gotta have a good pie). "Nice bike" is a lot friendlier than "get a real bike homo". Treat others as you wish to be treated, I've had a few chats with random guys about their bikes and bikes in general at pit stops. I'm not going to shun someone with similar interests.

[sleemanj]

Sidecar equipped bikes have 3 wheels, but they are certainly nothing like cars.

Perhaps we could say, anything the pilot sits ON, and has 3 wheels and a motor is a motorcycle.
- Can Am
- Sidecar setups
- Honda Gyro
- Trikes

Anything the pilot sits IN, and has 3 wheels and a motor is a three wheel car.
- Morgan 3 Wheelers
- Robin Reliant
- Carver One

Now, where it gets tricky, is vehicles that you sit in, but have 2 wheels!
- Monotracer
http://www.motorcyclejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/monotracer-ecomobile-thumb.jpg

- Lit Motors C1
http://images.gizmag.com/inline/c-1-11.jpg

I don't know what to call those, except a whole heap of crazy.

[caseye]

I'd call that some sort of amazing "bike" I'd like one of these, the possibilities are endless, blinged paint, that you can see, stickers for Africa. Extra mirrors, Bigger exhausts.
Yeah man.

[Subike]

Spyders (& probably Trikes generally) are really strange to follow. I ride in groups quite a bit, and when one of these things suddenly appeared all the two wheeled riders complained!
After a while you start to anticipate the lean, by watching the rider in front. I don't thinkgroup riders even realize what they are doing. Spyders corner almost dead flat like a car, and if you are the following rider, you tend to underestimate the bend curvature! I have got used to it now, but initially it caused a few headaches! :weird:


I found this interesting that you say you anticipate the lean of the bike on front of you and can fuck up a corner.
Thats bad riding in my eyes, where you become reliant upon the bike in front. Ride your own ride all the time, dont presume EVER that the rider in front of you has made the right choice for the road in front of him. I guess thats is a reason that some group rides end up with sadness, riders following each other presuming that everything is safe because , well the bike in front of them must be doing it right, and metal meets metal, skin and bone meet tarmac, then everyone thinks, "what the fuck went wrong". You presumed , anticipated, followed believed, that the guy in front of you got it right.

Now a Spyder, I like them, would consider it a class of bike, as is a trike bike, just a different configuration. I think that Casyee has the right idea on the description. But approaching, following, passing, Meh, its just another vehicle and respect its position on the road and it will respect yours, ( you hope) Wave, yup. and chat with at stops. Rallies? well how many trailer their rides to a rally then just ride in the gate?

[blackdog]

would you treat it like a car and zip by it if you get an opportunity?

You would have to be a pretty good rider on a pretty quick motorcycle to just 'zip' by one that's being hustled.

I was as quick around Manfeild on the Can Am as I was on a ZXR400.

[sootie]

You would have to be a pretty good rider on a pretty quick motorcycle to just 'zip' by one that's being hustled.

I was as quick around Manfeild on the Can Am as I was on a ZXR400.

I am happy to confirm that. My bike is certainly faster than the Spyder my mate rides on the straits, but on the twisties it does very well indeed and the two machines are fairly well matched speed wise.

[willytheekid]

...I messed with one at the start of the week :innocent:

Guy on a black can-am "thing" that was noisy as hell (muffler was held on with wire), guy was being a dick and speeding through rush hour traffic...just so he could dangerously overtake me and rev the shit out of it in the process :facepalm: (he was NOT making alot of friends with the other road users :laugh:..and it was painfuly obvious that he wanted my attention...why...dunno?)

...So I thought "Hay...cool car!...but lets make a point!..." <_<

So when traffic got jammed up, and the opportunity arose, I filtered down the side of the stationary traffic and him....but he got jealous(and blinded:shifty:) and followed!:devil2: (it was a VERY tight fit!...and again, he made as much noise as possible :facepalm:)
...twas a REAL shame when the traffic clogged up even more...and blocked all possible entries back into the flow of traffic...well...for his "car"!:laugh:
I drifted through a little gap over to the right side of the line of cars and calmly carried on...leaving him stuck against the curb with lots of angry "deaf" motorists behind him!...I think he would have had a wee bit o trouble finding someone to allow him back into the flow of traffic:killingme

...well I thought it was funny! (I was laughing my arse off riding away):whistle::innocent:
...he friggin started it!!



Personal view of them...car! (a very cool car granted (and if I got crippled etc...I would probably look at one as an option)
But main reasoning, they lean OUT of a corner<_<...just like a car! :yawn:

http://www.spydertalk.com/forums/uploads/monthly_10_2008/post-1487-1223160046.jpg

...just cos it has handlebars...sure doesn't make it a bike! (or give it the capabilities of one!)

But at least they are different and look like they could be lots of fun...as mentioned already...personal choice, physical ability and situation



...but I'll be damned if I'm waving to them! :oi-grr: (I already wave to harleys etc god-dammit:laugh:)

[BMWST?]

Any interaction is with the rider, not the machine, surely. And people ride those things for a variety of reasons...all of which are much the same as the reasons for riding 2 wheels. So why would you even ask?


they are not motorcycles imho.The have THREE wheels and they dont lean over.THAT is what motorcycles do.A trike is a car.PERIOD

[Road kill]

A bike is a bike,a trike is a trike,a car is a car,a truck is a truck.

What's so hard to understand,,,some people are far to easy to confuse,yet they seem to claim some moral high ground based on their own inability to understand what most take for granted.

Now "that" is confusing.

[Subike]

they are not motorcycles imho.The have THREE wheels and they dont lean over.THAT is what motorcycles do.A trike is a car.PERIOD


they dont lean over? so its not a bike, so what the fucks this? To be a motor bike it must lean over.mmmmm

[huff3r]

they dont lean over? so its not a bike, so what the fucks this? To be a motor bike it must lean over.mmmmm

An abomination. A very cool abomination.

[EJK]

Can it wheelie?

[MSTRS]

they are not motorcycles imho.The have THREE wheels and they dont lean over.THAT is what motorcycles do.A trike is a car.PERIOD

I never claimed they were a motorcycle. What I am saying is that they are RIDDEN, as in the RIDER sits on top just like a normal motorcyclist does, is exposed to much the same stuff a normal motorcyclist is exposed to, and must wear a helmet (at least) just like a normal motorcyclist must. Secondly, I said they are often a stand-in for a motorcycle because the RIDER has some sort of issue that prevents them from (safely?) RIDING an ordinary PTW.

[DEATH_INC.]

Here is one though: If it is registered as a car, why does it not have to be fitted with seat belts, and why do you not have to use them?

Interesting...I'm building a trike at the mo....the rules for them is if they have bike controls they are a bike, no seatbelts, but a helmet must be worn.
If they have car controls ( I guess foot accelerator, clutch etc) then they are a car, and must have seatbelts, which must be worn, but you don't need a helmet.
Not sure how a spyder can be a car under these rules, as it has bike controls and no seatbelt.
Someone f*cked up somewhere...

[Ocean1]

If they have car controls ( I guess foot accelerator, clutch etc) then they are a car, and must have seatbelts, which must be worn, but you don't need a helmet.
Not sure how a spyder can be a car under these rules, as it has bike controls and no seatbelt.
Someone f*cked up somewhere...

I believe the single (ABS) brake pedal had something to do with it.

[FJRider]

Interesting...I'm building a trike at the mo....the rules for them is if they have bike controls they are a bike, no seatbelts, but a helmet must be worn.
If they have car controls ( I guess foot accelerator, clutch etc) then they are a car, and must have seatbelts, which must be worn, but you don't need a helmet.
Not sure how a spyder can be a car under these rules, as it has bike controls and no seatbelt.
Someone f*cked up somewhere...

There are the two main types of trike.

1. Those that are Motorcycles that have been converted to three wheels with the addition of the rear drive axle. Not just the addition of the side chair. (Are they still a motorcycle ... ??)

2. Those built from scratch, as such ... unable to be used for two wheeled use. Be it a custom built ... or a production line vehicle. (Be it from mostly car components, or for the operation of ... on a car license)

To argue the "Not a motorcycle" issue is pointless. The argument is based solely on opinion ... not legislation.

Scooters aren't motorcycles are they ... ??? (Two wheels, motorcycle controls, motorcycle engines, can park in motorcycle parks ... ???)

[BMWST?]

they dont lean over? so its not a bike, so what the fucks this? To be a motor bike it must lean over.mmmmm

you obviously missed the two wheeled bit.

[imdying]

Rego'ed as a car, car license only required, more than two wheels = car.Bingo :yes:


if it"s a car ... why are they allowed into Motorcycle Rally's ... ??? as most V8 trike's are.Because it's illegal to discriminate against homosexuals.

The MonoTracer... weird as it might be... rides around on two wheels.... recumbent or not, it's a bike.

Trikes are not motorcycles, they're tricycles... if they were motorcycles, they wouldn't be called trikes.

Side cars are fine... they're an actual motorcycle with a side car attached... and given enough motivation they can go up on two.

Spyder pilots aren't motorcyclists... but as least they're not car drivers... so indifference rather than disdain is appropriate. As far as passing them goes... they're a slow sack of shite, pass them if you want to...

[FJRider]

Spyder pilots aren't motorcyclists... but as least they're not car drivers... so indifference rather than disdain is appropriate. As far as passing them goes... they're a slow sack of shite, pass them if you want to...

OR ... if you can ... :laugh:

[imdying]

OR ... if you can ... :laugh:Sure... let's keep RC happy and do it the legal way, with the bonus of electronic proof... The night drags must be at Ruapuna soon now the weather is warming up. You bring your Can Am thing, and I'll bring one of my bikes... I'll even give you a head start, can't be fairer than that.

[Dangsta]

Secondly, I said they are often a stand-in for a motorcycle because the RIDER has some sort of issue that prevents them from (safely?) RIDING an ordinary PTW.

The rider that I saw absolutely had an issue......he was a twat.

[imdying]

Actually, no... I just Googled the performance of a Spyder, let us not waste either of our time... they're so slow they're embarrassing.

[Big Dave]

I didn't need t' oracle. I've done a few thousand K's on them.
Over Woodcocks Hill in the immediate aftermath of a 'weather bomb' - debris covered, wet road - it was faster than a motorcycle. More footprint.
Dry conditions; it will smoke 'some' motorcycles. High performance bikes - it won't.

[DEATH_INC.]

There are the two main types of trike. etc....
I'm just going off the cert guidelines... read in particular page 2.

http://www.lvvta.org.nz/documents/infosheets/LVVTA_Info_06-2008_Three-wheeled_Vehicles_Trikes_.pdf

[cheshirecat]

My only problem with a trike is that it doesn't fall over when you let go of it. Morgans excepted.

[ellipsis]

...to the OP...if your mind is brimming with such questions while out riding, I would only suggest you keep both hands on the bars...

[MSTRS]

The rider that I saw absolutely had an issue......he was a twat.

I can understand that. There are LOTS of twats out there - in and on all sorts of vehicles...

[GrayWolf]

Whats funny is most 99% of the haters, nay sayers have never actually ridden one.
Compared to a middleweight sprot bike or larger? no they arent 'fast' but they are as quick as most 800cc plus cruisers. They lean away from corners like a car? and no different from a motorcycle sidecar 'lifts' the chair wheel, going round a left hander. I've ridden several thousand K's on one, with one, or pillion on one.
If you bother to read some of the letters from owners, as has been pointed out, many have been amputee's or injured riders, who have been given a 'second chance' to ride again, when they believed they would never be able to, ever.
OK they have the disadvantages of a bike. (exposed) and the disadvantages of a car, stuck in traffic... but fun? if you can ride a quad, you can just about instantly leap onto a can am and get going... if not? they like any new vehicle take adjusting to... but once you have??
What makes me 'smile' is some of the same people who have 'moaned' about the Harley Attitude (waving) are now spouting the same shit towards the Spyder riders!!!

[240]

I don't see why anyone has an issue with spyders.
They are actually a shit load of fun to ride once you get used to they way they corner.
I will definitely own one and those who havnt ridden one tryone out then post back you won't be disappointed

[davereid]

Be mildly interesting to see if your sportster would be that slow. Straight line or curved ones. Tell you one thing, don't follow one too close, they out-brake anything road legal I've ever played with.

Yes Im sure it would outperform my sporty.

Particularly if I'm the one riding the HD, your Nanas Nana will ride around the outside of me LOL.

Its fair to say that high speed, performance and braking is no longer my motivation for riding.

[sootie]

I have both ridden & pillioned on a Spyder a bit. Not really my kind of vehicle to be absolutely fair, but they are amazingly comfortable for the pillion! Several of the girls attached to the group I ride with seem to really love them and are not too keen on being a pillion on 2 wheels.
So, hopefully a new angle there. :)

[Akzle]

wow. thread way too long: DR. got about this far:



Here is one though: If it is registered as a car, why does it not have to be fitted with seat belts, and why do you not have to use them?
legislation still exists that says seatbelts must be worn IF FITTED. so if you're rocking a 20s ford, you're unlikely to have seatbelts, and thus be legally free of the requirement ot wear them. (or if you have a panel van/ bedford with benchseats down the sides - rear occupants not required to wear seatbelts that don't exist.

[sootie]

wow. thread way too long: DR. got about this far:


legislation still exists that says seatbelts must be worn IF FITTED. so if you're rocking a 20s ford, you're unlikely to have seatbelts, and thus be legally free of the requirement ot wear them. (or if you have a panel van/ bedford with benchseats down the sides - rear occupants not required to wear seatbelts that don't exist.


Got That!! So if I order my 2012 Ferrari without seat belts & don't thereafter provide any for the car users, they will never be required to wear them by the law?
(Actually, I seem to remember that passenger cars away back that came out without seat belts had to have them retro fitted - there was lots of agro about it at the time. )

[Flip]

What next?

What country do they come from?

Will I be expected to wave to jap bike riders?

[Eddieb]

There's one in Wellington that parks in a popular central Wellington bike park, takes up the space of about 3 bikes.

[sootie]

There's one in Wellington that parks in a popular central Wellington bike park, takes up the space of about 3 bikes.

Someone might like to do the maths for a normal motorcycle & a spyder.

ie the ratio: licence fee paid / sq metres occupied

[rastuscat]

Interesting point of view from someone today.

When the Spyders first appeared TPTB decided to treat them as cars. But then they failed all the WoF checks, coz they had no wipers, no belts etc.

So then they wanted them to be motorcycles, but they had too many wheels.

So now they compromise, meeting neither standard.

Makes no sense at all, so it's probably right.:brick:

[FJRider]

Makes no sense at all, so it's probably right.:brick:

But look at all the revenue the goverment coffers are missing out on in ACC levies ... by not calling it a mototcycle.

[gammaguy]

But look at all the revenue the goverment coffers are missing out on in ACC levies ... by not calling it a mototcycle.

Until a few too many born agains start crashing them

Then the ACC may make an adjustment for the sake of statistical correctness

[FJRider]

Until a few too many born agains start crashing them



Well ... if those operators wear High-vis gear .... that can't happen. :innocent:

[gijoe1313]

Haters gonna hate when peeps strut their swag, but it's all horses for courses and at the end of the day, we're all on the same playing field, giving it heaps and doing the hard yards to bring home the bacon!

Can't we all just get along? Oh, the inhumanity of it all! :whistle: :innocent:

IMHO, drive what you wanna drive, ride what you wanna ride and don't try to kill yourself or others (unless you deserve it or they do ... god bless!) :devil2:

Oh look, there is a fence I can straddle where the grass is green on both sides!

[GSF]

Went for a blat today and ended up behind one of those two wheel at the front and one at the back things. Do you treat them like a "normal" bike and be all polite and stuff or do you treat it like a car and fuck it up the fuckity-fuck first chance you get and zip by it? Also, do you give them the biker wave or is that reserved for two wheels?

Went for a blat today and ended up behind one of those two wheel at the front and back and one at the side things. Do you treat them like a "normal" bike and be all polite and stuff or do you treat it like a car and fuck it up the fuckity-fuck first chance you get and zip by it? Also, do you give them the biker wave or is that reserved for two wheels?

http://www.dhpmoto.com/Trips/Germany-April/BMW-HQ/BMW%20Sidecar-1-sm.jpg

[Big Dave]

Do you treat them like ...."



You offer to assist with counseling.

[Big Dave]

Haters gonna hate when peeps strut their swag, but it's all horses for courses and at the end of the day, we're all on the same playing field, giving it heaps and doing the hard yards to bring home the bacon!

Can't we all just get along? Oh, the inhumanity of it all! :whistle: :innocent:

!

We need clichés like we need a hole in the head.

Sydney Morning Harold columnist FitzSimonds, in his regular Saturday electronic missive, reports on the 'best uses of a mixed metaphor by a prominent sportsperson'. Run that up the flagpole and see who lets the cat out of the bag.

[imdying]

Whats funny is most 99% of the haters, nay sayers have never actually ridden one.
Compared to a middleweight sprot bike or larger? no they arent 'fast' but they are as quick as most 800cc plus cruisers. They lean away from corners like a car? and no different from a motorcycle sidecar 'lifts' the chair wheel, going round a left hander. I've ridden several thousand K's on one, with one, or pillion on one.
If you bother to read some of the letters from owners, as has been pointed out, many have been amputee's or injured riders, who have been given a 'second chance' to ride again, when they believed they would never be able to, ever.
OK they have the disadvantages of a bike. (exposed) and the disadvantages of a car, stuck in traffic... but fun? if you can ride a quad, you can just about instantly leap onto a can am and get going... if not? they like any new vehicle take adjusting to... but once you have??
What makes me 'smile' is some of the same people who have 'moaned' about the Harley Attitude (waving) are now spouting the same shit towards the Spyder riders!!!

Said slowly for the old man.... 'BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MOTORCYCLES'.

I have no interest in cars, or jet skis, or helicopters, or anything else that isn't a motorcycle either. Why you'd expect any support for them here I don't know... it's KiwiBiker, not KiwiMotorisedVehicleOwner. I could give two shits if they use a motorcycle engine, or you sit on them like a horse, or whatever similarities they have to motorcycles; none of those things make them a motorcycle.

I'm sure they're very lovely at all the things they do, but they're not motorcycles, end of.

Why they would want to be motorcyclists in any case I can't fathom... they're clearly their own thing, why not just celebrate that and be done with it?

[Swoop]

Perhaps we could say, anything the pilot sits ON, and has 3 wheels and a motor is a motorcycle.
- Can Am
- Sidecar setups
- Honda Gyro
- Trikes
The Oracle, SpankMe, has stated that three wheels = car. His site, his rules.


Can it filter? No = car. If someone on 3 wheels tried to filter then they need beating with a frozen haddock until comatose.

[Sable]

A sidecar is a motorcycle with something bolted on the side. Trikes and can-ams are for faggots that want to ride a motorcycle but don't have the balls or talent. All the disadvantages of a motorcycle combined with those of a car, and none of the advantages. A scornful look in my mirror, be it on bike or cage will suffice.

[Dangsta]

Said slowly for the old man.... 'BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MOTORCYCLES'.

I have no interest in cars, or jet skis, or helicopters, or anything else that isn't a motorcycle either. Why you'd expect any support for them here I don't know... it's KiwiBiker, not KiwiMotorisedVehicleOwner. I could give two shits if they use a motorcycle engine, or you sit on them like a horse, or whatever similarities they have to motorcycles; none of those things make them a motorcycle.

I'm sure they're very lovely at all the things they do, but they're not motorcycles, end of.

Why they would want to be motorcyclists in any case I can't fathom... they're clearly their own thing, why not just celebrate that and be done with it?

I dig your answer. Totally nailed it. Respect.

[sootie]

A sidecar is a motorcycle with something bolted on the side. Trikes and can-ams are for faggots that want to ride a motorcycle but don't have the balls or talent. All the disadvantages of a motorcycle combined with those of a car, and none of the advantages. A scornful look in my mirror, be it on bike or cage will suffice.

My mate does seem to pull the girls with his Canam - any interest in that? :laugh:

[GrayWolf]

A sidecar is a motorcycle with something bolted on the side. Trikes and can-ams are for faggots that want to ride a motorcycle but don't have the balls or talent. All the disadvantages of a motorcycle combined with those of a car, and none of the advantages. A scornful look in my mirror, be it on bike or cage will suffice.

Ok lets do it this way then dipshit, Vicky is 5ft 3, and has little legs, she can only JUST touch the ground on a GN250..... no balls or talent? Simple the Can Am allows her to have a large capacity machine she can tour, cover distances on when riding with large capacity machines....... Oh and I ride/rode it, so I have no fucking talent or balls either! better sell the ZZR1100 and MT-01, to someone WITH balls eh? Oh and I can assure you, I would LOVE to see you say to her face that she has no talent, and Can Am's are for faggots...... I really would!
After 38 years of riding a bike as MAIN TRANSPORT, dipshits still have a talent to amaze me with their crass stupidity.

[CookMySock]

You're a biker. You do the fuck what you choose. That's it. No math.

[GrayWolf]

Said slowly for the old man.... 'BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MOTORCYCLES'.

I have no interest in cars, or jet skis, or helicopters, or anything else that isn't a motorcycle either. Why you'd expect any support for them here I don't know... it's KiwiBiker, not KiwiMotorisedVehicleOwner. I could give two shits if they use a motorcycle engine, or you sit on them like a horse, or whatever similarities they have to motorcycles; none of those things make them a motorcycle.

I'm sure they're very lovely at all the things they do, but they're not motorcycles, end of.

Why they would want to be motorcyclists in any case I can't fathom... they're clearly their own thing, why not just celebrate that and be done with it?

Then all I can say is, THANK FUCK i am not a 'MOTORCYCLIST' as perceived by people like yourself..........

[Berries]

My mate does seem to pull the girls with his Canam - any interest in that? :laugh:
Not sure, GrayWolf seems to be getting pretty excited about them.

[sootie]

Not sure, GrayWolf seems to be getting pretty excited about them.

Well, as said previously, very very comfortable to pillion on, and pretty impressive in loose sand (even two up).
A bit hard on gas (as you would expect with all that un streamlined frontal area); the biggest problem for me would be where I woud store another car sized (lets not go there again!) object.
As stated previously, they are not slow, and corner well (but not brilliantly).
I did find it very strange to follow one in a group at first. You have to remember to lean on 2 wheels even when the guy in front doesn't! Got used to that now. :weird:

I am not going to trade my ZZR1100 for a Spyder, but whatever spins your wheels Man!!

[imdying]

the ZZR1100 and MT-01

Then all I can say is, THANK FUCK i am not a 'MOTORCYCLIST' as perceived by people like yourself..........
Ahhh... yeah you are.... the Oompa Loompa you're porking however, is not.

[Banditbandit]

A sidecar is a motorcycle with something bolted on the side. Trikes and can-ams are for faggots that want to ride a motorcycle but don't have the balls or talent. All the disadvantages of a motorcycle combined with those of a car, and none of the advantages. A scornful look in my mirror, be it on bike or cage will suffice.

Given the way my mates ride Spyders and the kind of bikes you seem to own, I seriously doubt you get to see them in your review mirrors ..

[bsasuper]

Spyder good points:

1. you dont have to remember to put the sidestand down
2.you can park it in the disabled spaces and no one will think you are taking the piss
3.you can go to discount tyres and get cheap car tyres for it.
4. you can pretend you are in the movie star wars when riding it.

Spyder not so good points:

1. Its a trike, not a motorbike
2.You look like a knob on one
3.you will always have people pointing at you saying, why?
4.you have to buy 2 front tyres

[ontoit]

You're a biker. You do the fuck what you choose. That's it. No math.

Well said, gotta agree with that. Etiquette? what the frak is that.

Bikers are just as diverse, maybe more so, than cagers. Definitely more opinionated. So if someone wants to "ride / drive?" a 3 wheel whateva then that's their choice, isn't it?

[Headbanger]

Reverse trikes are like gay marriage.

You know that shit feels wrong, Deep inside, at a level where your instincts are in control, But you over ride it current logic, But fuck it, when its in your face, The gut reaction is still there.

[GrayWolf]

Ahhh... yeah you are.... the Oompa Loompa you're porking however, is not.

Again I would LOVE to se you say THAT to her face..... and no if the shit I am reading in this thread us written by 'motorcyclists'? No I am NOT one of you,,,,

[Sable]

If she doesn't have the physical ability to ride a motorcycle then it's obviously not for her. And yes, I would happily say to her face that I think Canams are gay.

[DMNTD]

LOL!!!! Somewhere on some CamAm forum someone is taking the piss out of homos that ride sports bikes in their matching leathers, cruiser riders with their tassels, etc :lol:

I've never understood why some people give such a fuck about others bikes/trikes etc?

[Subike]

Meanwhile across the other side of town
Fords are better than Holdens
and Holdens are better than Fords
and everyone knows that Nissans will just make both look shit.
But is this Harley Davidson a trike, a bike or just another one of those Can Amm thingy s

[Berries]

But is this Harley Davidson a trike, a bike or just another one of those Can Amm thingy s
Count the wheels.

Trike = 3. Bike = 2.

This one looks a bit more comfy, and the R1 engine might just give it a bit more pep.

[MSTRS]

If we want to be REALLY pedantic about what is a bike etc then think on this...

A BiCycle is a human-powered two-wheeled conveyanance, ie a treadly, no? Shortened to Bike, no? So - a MotorBiCycle is a treadly with an engine, no?
Just like this http://foxmotorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/motorized-bicycle-2.jpg

So bite me, all you non-purists...

[Berries]

Looks like a motorised bicycle to me, or motorbike for short.

[GrayWolf]

If she doesn't have the physical ability to ride a motorcycle then it's obviously not for her. And yes, I would happily say to her face that I think Canams are gay.

Well as I have ridden a bike for 38 yrs, as main transport, and ride a Can am occasionally? You better not bend over in front of ME then had ya???
This actually is what pisses me off, figuratively... Ya(KB) bleat on and on about Rego, L plate low power bikes, etc, etc... but ya still stand divided? Gay or not pal, they are still part of the 'open to the elements' riding brotherhood.
PS: She wont be too hard to find, little 'pixie' riding a BIG blue Can am RT-T, What I cant follow is your 'logic' that as she is small and rides what suits her, it's 'gay'? >> Oh and as for X7 riders???? :bleh:

[MSTRS]

Looks like a motorised bicycle to me, or motorbike for short.

That is correct. Note that it can be pedalled or engined. Motorbike in short. Not necessarily a PTW contraption like this lot contends is a 'motorbike'...
And I'll lay odds that NO-ONE on a so-called motorbike would wave to someone riding one of those things in the picture, n'est pas?

[pritch]

This thread is a bit sad really. It's not as if motorcyclists don't need all the friends they can get so provoking a group of people with similar interests is like shooting yourself in the foot.

I get the definite impression that there is an age thing going on here. Even if it made the children hereabout think I was gay, I'd still love one of these.
http://www.morgan3wheeler.co.uk/home.html

[Berries]

I like Morgans.
I have always had a thing for kit cars, the Morgan has an influence on one of these, which is powered by a Moto Guzzi.

[MSTRS]

Pah! They're not motorbikes...no handlebars, you see...AND you sit IN them...

[sootie]

Pah! They're not motorbikes...no handlebars, you see...AND you sit IN them...
Nope, can't let that one pass - Spyders sure do have handlebars - not much different there from a 2 wheeler actually. :nya: :nya: :nya:

[FJRider]

Spotted in Alexandra today.

1, Two wheels ... check
2. Does it lean ... check
3. Does it have handle bars ... check


Must be a bike then ....

[Subike]

Pah! They're not motorbikes...no handlebars, you see...AND you sit IN them...

and they have windscreen wipers, hand brakes, heaters, seat belts, and passenger sits beside you, not behind. Cars, no doubt at all

[MSTRS]

Nope, can't let that one pass - Spyders sure do have handlebars - not much different there from a 2 wheeler actually. :nya: :nya: :nya:

:nya: :nya: :nya: right back at you. Although I perhaps should have quoted the Morgan post/s...
I'm saying that Spyders are as close to a motorbike as makes no difference. And I'd wave to them...

[Berries]

Pah! They're not motorbikes...no handlebars, you see...AND you sit IN them...
That'll be why they are called kit cars and not kit motorbikes then.

[sootie]

:nya: :nya: :nya: right back at you. Although I perhaps should have quoted the Morgan post/s...
I'm saying that Spyders are as close to a motorbike as makes no difference. And I'd wave to them...
Do you wave to Harleys?

[ellipsis]

...Adolf and Eva were often seen out riding a spyda type thing with self laying tracks at the front on a sunday afternoon...dont ask me where I read that...

[sootie]

Spotted in Alexandra today.

1, Two wheels ... check
2. Does it lean ... check
3. Does it have handle bars ... check


Must be a bike then ....

I have a new suggestion guys:
"It is only a bike if it can not be made to stand on its wheels when stationary."
This would rule out Spyders, sidecar setups, Morgans & Segways. :cool:
Unicycles are OK though ???

[Berries]

Now you are getting picky. Surely a motorbike with sidecar is exactly that, a motorbike with sidecar? I'd vote that it remains a motorbike because it retains the same single wheel steering and the same single wheel drive.

[Brian d marge]

I'd still love one of these.
http://www.morgan3wheeler.co.uk/home.html

Me to

Im tempted to retire and build one .........but she-who-shouts-alot may not be pleased

Stephen

ps cant be that hard ...Cx 650 engine , turbo ......just a thought

[Daffyd]

I have a new suggestion guys:
"It is only a bike if it can not be made to stand on its wheels when stationary."
This would rule out Spyders, sidecar setups, Morgans & Segways. :cool:
Unicycles are OK though ???

Motorbikes can’t stand up on their own, ‘cos they’re two tyred.

[sootie]

Motorbikes can’t stand up on their own, ‘cos they’re two tyred.

Very good - fits in perfectly with the tenor of this discussion! :killingme


Now you are getting picky. Surely a motorbike with sidecar is exactly that, a motorbike with sidecar? I'd vote that it remains a motorbike because it retains the same single wheel steering and the same single wheel drive.

Maybe we have to get picky to make any definition work!
A motor bike with side car is not just a motor bike, so I am happy with that. (A knife & fork is not a knife!)
A motor bike can not stand on its (plural) wheels - seems to take care of Unicycles!
I guess we need a definition for a car now - my brain is tired & it is bed time! :bye: :bye:

[MSTRS]

Now you are getting picky.

Of course we are. This is KB and pedantic pickery is what we do...

And yes, I wave to Harleys. Sometimes (shock! horror!) they wave first/back.

[Flip]

Do you wave to Harleys?

Actually I do wave to Harleys, its jap sports bikes I don't wave to.:bleh:

I would love a new Morgan.

I believe Canams, side cars, trikes are all part of the greater motorcyclist community not because they have 3 wheels but because they are piloted by bikers. It's the rider thats important not the vehicle.

[kiwi cowboy]

Said slowly for the old man.... 'BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MOTORCYCLES'.

I have no interest in cars, or jet skis, or helicopters, or anything else that isn't a motorcycle either. Why you'd expect any support for them here I don't know... it's KiwiBiker, not KiwiMotorisedVehicleOwner. I could give two shits if they use a motorcycle engine, or you sit on them like a horse, or whatever similarities they have to motorcycles; none of those things make them a motorcycle.

I'm sure they're very lovely at all the things they do, but they're not motorcycles, end of.

Why they would want to be motorcyclists in any case I can't fathom... they're clearly their own thing, why not just celebrate that and be done with it?

So a motorcycle that has been converted to a trike should be looked down on and treated like a second class citizen because it has one extra wheel ?.

As has been sugested before on here alot of trike/spyder RIDERS do so because they cant ride a two wheeler.

These people have my respect and admiration in the way they get out there and do things instead of sitting on there arse crying.

This is not directed at you only but anybody that seems to think that if it has more than two wheels it doesnt deserve to be on the road.

I traveled around the south island recently with a guy in a wheelchair that did 99% of the work in converting a two wheeler into three and was so proud to follow him seeing him out there living his dream it bought tears to my eyes and the admiration he got from people at every stop of him and the fantastic job of conversion he did.

[BMWST?]

So a motorcycle that has been converted to a trike should be looked down on and treated like a second class citizen because it has one extra wheel ?.

As has been sugested before on here alot of trike/spyder RIDERS do so because they cant ride a two wheeler.

These people have my respect and admiration in the way they get out there and do things instead of sitting on there arse crying.

This is not directed at you only but anybody that seems to think that if it has more than two wheels it doesnt deserve to be on the road.

I traveled around the south island recently with a guy in a wheelchair that did 99% of the work in converting a two wheeler into three and was so proud to follow him seeing him out there living his dream it bought tears to my eyes and the admiration he got from people at every stop of him and the fantastic job of conversion he did.

you have missed the point that i was making any way.I have no disrespect for the riders of trikesor hacks at all.All i am saying is a trike is not a motorcycle,that is all

[kiwi cowboy]

you have missed the point that i was making any way.I have no disrespect for the riders of trikesor hacks at all.All i am saying is a trike is not a motorcycle,that is all

If its got a motorcycle engine its a motorcycle in my mind.

People say a 14.1 hand horse is a pony and i shouldnt ride it with me being a guy but its still a horse and he has put alot of people and there 17 hand 1/2 clyde things to shame when it comes to climing around hills.

The point i was making is that some people think that people on anything other than 2 wheels dont desurve to be on the road or respected reguardless of cercomstance

[kiwi cowboy]

Ok lets do it this way then dipshit, Vicky is 5ft 3, and has little legs, she can only JUST touch the ground on a GN250..... no balls or talent? Simple the Can Am allows her to have a large capacity machine she can tour, cover distances on when riding with large capacity machines....... Oh and I ride/rode it, so I have no fucking talent or balls either! better sell the ZZR1100 and MT-01, to someone WITH balls eh? Oh and I can assure you, I would LOVE to see you say to her face that she has no talent, and Can Am's are for faggots...... I really would!
After 38 years of riding a bike as MAIN TRANSPORT, dipshits still have a talent to amaze me with their crass stupidity.

Was goint reply to this idiot but thanks for doing a sterling job:clap:

[kiwi cowboy]

Given the way my mates ride Spyders and the kind of bikes you seem to own, I seriously doubt you get to see them in your review mirrors ..

Oh i dunno about that bandit.

He probably sees them all the time in his rear view mirror-----COMING just before being past:rolleyes:

[sootie]

:nya: :nya: :nya: right back at you. Although I perhaps should have quoted the Morgan post/s...
I'm saying that Spyders are as close to a motorbike as makes no difference. And I'd wave to them...

Hey, I am not the enemy here! I am fence sitting re whether a Spyder is a bike or not, and anyway,
I have ridden one & pillioned on one & my mate has one & I like it!
I am also on record as saying that I do not actually want one!
Oh, & I even wave to Harleys at times! LOL

[pritch]

A three wheeled vehicle obviously can't be a motorbike because the word "bike" specifically refers to the number two.
There is no such reference to any number in the word "motorcycle", so a three wheeled vehicle is not automatically excluded.

Nobody claimed the Morgan was a motorcycle, it definitely isn't. Since we were discussing three wheelers though, I just thought I'd mention I'd love one. There's just sixty thousand reasons why I haven't got one. Yet.:drool:

[MSTRS]

Hey, I am not the enemy here! I am fence sitting re whether a Spyder is a bike or not,,,,

*sigh* I meant Morgan's...whether motorcycle-engined or not...don't have handlebars, therefore are even less bike-like than a Spider. :bleh:

This whole subject is getting painful.

Just what is the problem with Spyders? The attitude is the important thing here, and it is generally the SAME fecking attitude that has anyone ride ON an exposed motorised contraption...no matter how many wheels it is.

[Bassmatt]

*sigh* I meant Morgan's...whether motorcycle-engined or not...don't have handlebars, therefore are even less bike-like than a Spider. :bleh:

This whole subject is getting painful.

Just what is the problem with Spyders? The attitude is the important thing here, and it is generally the SAME fecking attitude that has anyone ride ON an exposed motorised contraption...no matter how many wheels it is.

I think we have two groups on this thread, one who thinks spyders are "gay" and so are the riders and the second purely interested in the classification of spyders ie are they a motorbike or aren't they.

[MSTRS]

I think we have two groups on this thread, one who thinks spyders are "gay" and so are the riders and the second purely interested in the classification of spyders ie are they a motorbike or aren't they.

No No Cookie Boy -
There are more than two groups...
1. Spyders are gay (as distinct from 'ghey' which is reserved for Hondas)
2. Spyders are NOT motorcycles
3. They are.
4. They share some/lots of the traits of a (proper) motorcycle
5. Seatbelts define what is/isn't a car
6. We wave to anyone/only what we ride/Spyders/no-one (esp. not Harleys)
7. None of the above
8. I'm going home AND I'm taking my ball with me...

[pritch]

This whole subject is getting painful.



Not really, it was like that from the get go. :whistle:

[kevie]

I Agree with a lot of the comments that a Spyder is a motorcycle I treat them as such and wave to them .... I wave to any bike no matter what make (yep even Harley's) and respect their choice of make and model and that's the reason they make so many "styles" of bike..... I prefer the Cruiser and would never consider buying a sporty one but that's my personal choice/preference.

I have a mate that has had both knees replaced, he has a Bandit but now cant hold it up so stopped riding and gone into withdrawal, I suggested a Spyder as it stays up, is stylish and would cater for his medical situation.
My wife wants a Spyder, she is semi paralyzed and cant hold up a bike, and as she only has a car license cant (because of her medical condition) go through the progression of licenses to get to the full one. So in her (and many liker her) case, a Spyder is a bike of choice (and necessity)

And because we all have "preferences" of the type of wheels we ride ..... aren't we ... regardless of the throbbing monster between our legs ..... STILL BIKERS

[Bassmatt]

No No Cookie Boy -


Cookie Boy?:lol:

[MSTRS]

Cookie Boy?:lol:

If you're "old enough" you will recognise the reference...

[FJRider]

The "Bikers" vehicle of choice may differ ... attitudes may differ too. Even what you must wear varies too.

But the "Biker philosophy" of wind in the face, bugs in the teeth, dampness when it rains ... and the open road freedom ... all remain the same.

What a biker is ... is in your own head.

[MSTRS]

The "Bikers" vehicle of choice may differ ... attitudes may differ too. Even what you must wear varies too.

But the "Biker philosophy" of wind in the face, bugs in the teeth, dampness when it rains ... and the open road freedom ... all remain the same.

What a biker is ... is in your own head.

Hear hear. And here, for good measure.

Why do so few supposed-bikers actually understand that. Could it be they are pretentious posers...?

[Subike]

Hear hear. And here, for good measure.

Why do so few supposed-bikers actually understand that. Could it be they are pretentious posers...?

there are a whole big heap of those on this forum eh, posers

I agree with you FJ, it is about what is in you own head.
And about respecting another s bikers choice of ride, what ever the ride is or the reasons for riding it

[James Deuce]

In response to the OP's original question, the one in the title: It's none of your damn business. Also, stop waving to people you don't know, that's just weird.

[Dangsta]

I Agree with a lot of the comments that a Spyder is a motorcycle I treat them as such and wave to them .... I wave to any bike no matter what make (yep even Harley's) and respect their choice of make and model and that's the reason they make so many "styles" of bike..... I prefer the Cruiser and would never consider buying a sporty one but that's my personal choice/preference.

I have a mate that has had both knees replaced, he has a Bandit but now cant hold it up so stopped riding and gone into withdrawal, I suggested a Spyder as it stays up, is stylish and would cater for his medical situation.
My wife wants a Spyder, she is semi paralyzed and cant hold up a bike, and as she only has a car license cant (because of her medical condition) go through the progression of licenses to get to the full one. So in her (and many liker her) case, a Spyder is a bike of choice (and necessity)

And because we all have "preferences" of the type of wheels we ride ..... aren't we ... regardless of the throbbing monster between our legs ..... STILL BIKERS

Okay then... so if you are semi paralyzed, are a short-arse, have had an accident and can't hold up a bike, have plastic kneecaps or have got too old then you can ride a spyder and keep your dignity. I've only skimmed the thread since I lost interest but it seems the only good excuse to ride one is a either medical condition or you're an oompa loompa.

[Berries]

I've only skimmed the thread since I lost interest but it seems the only good excuse to ride one is a either medical condition or you're an oompa loompa.
Pretty good summation.

Much like a VS1400 then.

[Sable]

Okay then... so if you are semi paralyzed, are a short-arse, have had an accident and can't hold up a bike, have plastic kneecaps or have got too old then you can ride a spyder and keep your dignity. I've only skimmed the thread since I lost interest but it seems the only good excuse to ride one is a either medical condition or you're an oompa loompa.

^this. I love this thread, so much rage from people with three wheeled insecurities.

[sootie]

Thought I might mention to you guys that I told my mate with the Spyder about this thread.
He did have a look at it.
Later he said he could not be bothered with all the shit, and just wanted to get out and ride.
Hope that doesn't prick anyone's balloon too badly! :nya: :nya: :nya:

[doc]

I sort of feel that these Canam things are what you would expect your mother would buy you if she had a choice, when you expressed you were interested in a motorcycle. :lol:

[Cheshire Cat]

I wave to them but theyre not a motorcycle. last i heard you only needed a car licence to ride one. that was a few years ago though....the rules coud have changed?



......waits for trolls......cough cough Jrandom etc

[GrayWolf]

I wave to them but theyre not a motorcycle. last i heard you only needed a car licence to ride one. that was a few years ago though....the rules coud have changed?



......waits for trolls......cough cough Jrandom etc

You're correct, you 'ONLY' need a car licence, HOWEVER I am a named rider on Vicki's my excess is only 1/3 of hers in the event of a prang, and if I was insuring it, as a full motorcycle licence holder, it would be a lot cheaper.. so the insurance companies Do see them as a bike rather than a car.

[Swoop]

If you're "old enough" you will recognise the reference...
Sirry irriot!

[MSTRS]

Sirry irriot!

Frying saucers...

[Cheshire Cat]

You're correct, you 'ONLY' need a car licence, HOWEVER I am a named rider on Vicki's my excess is only 1/3 of hers in the event of a prang, and if I was insuring it, as a full motorcycle licence holder, it would be a lot cheaper.. so the insurance companies Do see them as a bike rather than a car.

Interesting. Still doesnt mean its a motorcycle...

[Swoop]

Frying saucers...
Perhaps you may remember a different performer... "oh you are awful, but I like you"?

[MSTRS]

Yep. The other one had the fastest milk cart in Henderson. Or summat...

[sootie]

You're correct, you 'ONLY' need a car licence, HOWEVER I am a named rider on Vicki's my excess is only 1/3 of hers in the event of a prang, and if I was insuring it, as a full motorcycle licence holder, it would be a lot cheaper.. so the insurance companies Do see them as a bike rather than a car.

Have a look at the thread "Old Bikie ... New Member" on the New Bikers section.
(Spyder Rider) cheers ... :) :)

[Berries]

Thought I might mention to you guys that I told my mate with the Spyder about this thread.
He did have a look at it.
Later he said he could not be bothered with all the shit, and just wanted to get out and ride.
Did he mean 'drive'?

:girlfight:

[kevie]

obviously some nerves being tickled on this thread LMAO

At the end of the day ..... people ride them cos they are fun ... and I personally would love to see them on the racetrack too :) recon they would make an awesome class of racers

[ellipsis]

...i wouldn't mind having a celtic type of war chariot with a trusty horse up front ...with Ohlins fitted to keep the iron on the tarmac...

[Bassmatt]

Couple of questions which may not be relevant in some areas of the country.
Where I am, motorcycles can use bus lanes and there is a toll road which is free for motorcycles. Whats the deal in these situations with a spyder?

[imdying]

Again I would LOVE to se you say THAT to her face..... and no if the shit I am reading in this thread us written by 'motorcyclists'? No I am NOT one of you,,,,Heh, you're such a biter :lol:

/edit: Oh BTW, you appear to be confused... you ride a motorcycle, so you're automatically a motorcyclists; it's not something you can opt out of. Vicky doesn't ride a motorcycle, so she's not a motorcyclist... it's not something she can opt into either... unless she hardens up and rides a bike :msn-wink:

[imdying]

So a motorcycle that has been converted to a trike should be looked down on and treated like a second class citizen because it has one extra wheel ?.Yes... but only if you want to look down on them, that's entirely your own choice. Personally I find a motorcycle converted (ruined) into a trike worse than something like a Spyder, but that's just me... I don't look down on them, to me they're just another vehicle on the road that's not a motorcyclist. I can't even raise much derision for them... they're just treated with indifference like all other non-motorcycles.


As has been sugested before on here alot of trike/spyder RIDERS do so because they cant ride a two wheeler.Good for them... however, that's not relevant to 'is it a motorcycle'.


These people have my respect and admiration in the way they get out there and do things instead of sitting on there arse crying.That's awesome. Me, I could give two shits what they do. Ride, drive, bike, fly, whatever.... if they're not doing it on a motorcycle, they just don't feature on the radar.


This is not directed at you only but anybody that seems to think that if it has more than two wheels it doesnt deserve to be on the road.They can be on the road all the like... but in response to the first question, which was what's the etiquette regarding waving etc... no, I do not wave at them, they're not motorcycles and thus not motorcyclists.


I traveled around the south island recently with a guy in a wheelchair that did 99% of the work in converting a two wheeler into three and was so proud to follow him seeing him out there living his dream it bought tears to my eyes and the admiration he got from people at every stop of him and the fantastic job of conversion he did.That too is awesome. Completely irrelevant though (btw he's not a motorcyclist, he's a triker (or whatever a trike rider is called), that's all.

[spyker]

Rego'ed as a car, car license only required, more than two wheels = car.

This will really confuse you then----- Rego'ed as a car WOF as a bike,as for me dont care on license got both.

[Bassmatt]

This will really confuse you then----- Rego'ed as a car WOF as a bike,as for me dont care on license got both.

I don't really care about the classification but I would be interested in the answer to my previous question, can you use bus lanes (when a m/cycle is allowed) and what toll (bike or car ) do you pay when required?

[Old Steve]

Bassmatt, I'd say they can go ahead, use the bus lane, I don't think anyone in a position to ticket them will worry about it. I'd use the bus lanes, there's room for a trike/spyder and no-one's going to pull them over.

As for Route K, the problem is where motorbikes ride through the tolls. On a motorbike you go through a narrow lane to the outside of the left hand side barrier arm, I don't think they could take a trike/spyder through there. Maybe they can, they'd have to try and see if the trike/spyder fits around and under the barrier arm in the left hand lane.

They could try to go through the pay toll booth and ask for the barrier to be raised for them. If they have to pay, then they stop the trike/spyder, turn the engine off, get off, slowly undress to get their money (which is best kept safely in their innermost pocket), pay, slowly get dressed again, mount up again, have trouble starting (judicious use of the kill switch should prolong the time it takes to restart the engine) and ride through. A few passages through the toll booth this way would quickly convince the toll booth staff that trikes/spyders qualify for the free passage offered to motorcycles.

[kiwi cowboy]

Yes... but only if you want to look down on them, that's entirely your own choice. Personally I find a motorcycle converted (ruined) into a trike worse than something like a Spyder, but that's just me... I don't look down on them, to me they're just another vehicle on the road that's not a motorcyclist. I can't even raise much derision for them... they're just treated with indifference like all other non-motorcycles.

So this person im talking about shouldnt have (butchered in your opinion) converted his "bike" into a "trike" so he could get out and be a "biker" but he should have just stayed at home and died quietly in a corner so as he doesnt offend you.

Good for them... however, that's not relevant to 'is it a motorcycle'.

It is as it started out as a two wheeler and he is a motorcyclist.

That's awesome. Me, I could give two shits what they do. Ride, drive, bike, fly, whatever.... if they're not doing it on a motorcycle, they just don't feature on the radar.



They can be on the road all the like... but in response to the first question, which was what's the etiquette regarding waving etc... no, I do not wave at them, they're not motorcycles and thus not motorcyclists.

That too is awesome. Completely irrelevant though (btw he's not a motorcyclist, he's a triker (or whatever a trike rider is called), that's all.

BULLSHIT buddy he IS A MOTORCYCLIST just on a trike.

[Bassmatt]

Bassmatt, Go ahead, use the bus lane, I don't think anyone in a position to ticket you will worry about it. I'd use the bus lanes, there's room for a trike/spyder and no-one's going to pull you over.

As for Route K, the problem is where you ride through the tolls if you are a motorcyclist. On a motorbike you go through a narrow lane to the outside of the left hand side barrier arm, I don't think you could take a trike/spyder through there. Maybe you can, you'd have to try and see if the trike/spyder fits around and under the barrier arm in the left hand lane.

You could try to go through the pay toll booth and ask them to raise the barrier for you. If they say you have to pay, then stop the trike/spyder, turn the engine off, get off, slowly undress to get your money (which is best kept safely in your innermost pocket), pay, slowly get dressed again, mount up again, have trouble starting (judicious use of the kill switch should prolong the time it takes to restart the engine) and ride through. A few passages through the toll booth this way would quickly convince them that you qualify for the free passage offered to motorcycles.
Thanks for the considered reply, now wash your mouth out with soap :msn-wink:
I ride a "real" motorbike, Steve, I was just interested in how the popo etc may view the spyder.

[FJRider]

... I was just interested in how the popo etc may view the spyder.

As a potential source of revenue ... just the same way they look at kawasaki's ... :lol:

[bsasuper]

If someone wants to buy and ride a spyder, so be it, its a free country, but that person must have at some stage thought, hmmm I will be looked upon as a "different" rider.

[FJRider]

If someone wants to buy and ride a spyder, so be it, its a free country, but that person must have at some stage thought, hmmm I will be looked upon as a "different" rider.

Would it be better/different to the way honda riders are looked upon ... ??? :rolleyes:

[G4L4XY]

Hmm...
-car license
-more than 2 wheels (and they're car wheels at that)
-insurance considers them as cars

But...
-you wear a helmet and protective gear
-you sit on it (haha)
-has handlebars
-they get just as wet as you in the rain, feel the same cold etc

IDGAF - If they wave I wave, if they don't then they don't get a wave from me :)

If someone waves to me I feel super special and have to wave back..
I love the people that try to nod their head upwards, the wind catches the helmet and lifts it up at an uncomfortable rate haha

[Old Steve]

Oops, mouth washed Bassmatt. Post corrected.

[kiwi cowboy]

Would it be better/different to the way honda riders are looked upto ... ??? :rolleyes:

fixed that for ya mate:lol:

[sootie]

fixed that for ya mate:lol:

Would that be looked up to as in ... raising ones eyes to heaven?? :innocent:

[FJRider]

Would that be looked up to as in ... raising ones eyes to heaven?? :innocent:

honda riders ... don't ask ... :scratch:

[doc]

Yes... but only if you want to look down on them, that's entirely your own choice. Personally I find a motorcycle converted (ruined) into a trike worse than something like a Spyder, but that's just me... I don't look down on them, to me they're just another vehicle on the road that's not a motorcyclist. I can't even raise much derision for them... they're just treated with indifference like all other non-motorcycles.

Good for them... however, that's not relevant to 'is it a motorcycle'.

That's awesome. Me, I could give two shits what they do. Ride, drive, bike, fly, whatever.... if they're not doing it on a motorcycle, they just don't feature on the radar.

They can be on the road all the like... but in response to the first question, which was what's the etiquette regarding waving etc... no, I do not wave at them, they're not motorcycles and thus not motorcyclists.

That too is awesome. Completely irrelevant though (btw he's not a motorcyclist, he's a triker (or whatever a trike rider is called), that's all.

Getting a bit pedantic aren't you. This is KB chill out a bit. Who do you ride for ? :bleh: Not all of us ride with a patch on our shoulder

[doc]

it bought tears to my eyes

:niceone: You have ruined it for the xy generation. Cowboys never use to cry.

[kiwi cowboy]

it bought tears to my eyes

:niceone: You have ruined it for the xy generation. Cowboys never use to cry.

SNAG cowboy is I

[kiwi cowboy]

Would that be looked up to as in ... raising ones eyes to heaven?? :innocent:

Holyier than thouw:clap::clap:

[imdying]

BULLSHIT buddy he IS A MOTORCYCLIST just on a trike.No, he's a trike rider. He's riding a trike isn't he?

[imdying]

Getting a bit pedantic aren't you.Not at all... If I fly my plane, that doesn't make me an astronaut.

[kiwi cowboy]

No, he's a trike rider. He's riding a trike isn't he?

So i ride a 14.1 hand equine animal am i a horse rider??????????????/.

[kiwi cowboy]

Not at all... If I fly my plane, that doesn't make me an astronaut.

Planes dont go into space.
Bikes,Trikes or whatever ridden by MOTORCYCLISTS operate in the same places.:rolleyes:

[Bassmatt]

Heres the NZTA definition of a motorcycle:
"means a motor vehicle running on 2 wheels, or not more than 3 wheels when fitted with a sidecar; and includes any vehicle with motorcycle controls declared by the Chief Executive for the Ministry of Transport to be a motorcycle; but does not include a moped."

[imdying]

So i ride a 14.1 hand equine animal am i a horse rider??????????????/.No, what you are is an idiot. This tangential drivel is representative of how baseless your argument is. If you're not a motorcycle rider, you're not a motorcyclist. Pretty simple stuff.


Heres the NZTA definition of a motorcycle:You mean the what can we tax and how definition? :niceone:

[Banditbandit]

Heres the NZTA definition of a motorcycle:
"means a motor vehicle running on 2 wheels, or not more than 3 wheels when fitted with a sidecar; and includes any vehicle with motorcycle controls declared by the Chief Executive for the Ministry of Transport to be a motorcycle; but does not include a moped."

Oh? So the NZTA is the authority now???

[F5 Dave]

Oh good Grief; is this thread still going?

2 legs good, 4 (or 3) legs bad.

Simples.

[kiwi cowboy]

No, what you are is an idiot. This tangential drivel is representative of how baseless your argument is. If you're not a motorcycle rider, you're not a motorcyclist. Pretty simple stuff.

Call me an idoit all you like mate i couldnt give a fuck.
At least im not a snob and have the arogance to think just because people ride somthing different to you they dont deserve your respect well the likes of the fella in my oridginal post desurves alot more resect than an arogant stuck up snob like you mate.:msn-wink::bleh:

[Bassmatt]

Oh? So the NZTA is the authority now???

:baby:....

[imdying]

No, what you are is an idiot. This tangential drivel is representative of how baseless your argument is. If you're not a motorcycle rider, you're not a motorcyclist. Pretty simple stuff.

Call me an idoit all you like mate i couldnt give a fuck.
At least im not a snob and have the arogance to think just because people ride somthing different to you they dont deserve your respect well the likes of the fella in my oridginal post desurves alot more resect than an arogant stuck up snob like you mate.:msn-wink::bleh:Waah wahh wahhhhhh

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[huff3r]

Oh? So the NZTA is the authority now???

That IS what the A stands for...

Well... maybe not. Apparently it's agency. :no:

[kiwi cowboy]

Waah wahh wahhhhhh

Is that the best ya got :bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laug h:ya slippin:msn-wink:

[imdying]

You'd run out of arguments so I figured you'd outlived your entertainment value, sorry :confused:

I could take the piss out of your mum if that'll help you feel better?

[F5 Dave]

Is that the best ya got. . .
Are you kidding? I laughed my Tits off. For realsies, - they aren't there:confused:

[kiwi cowboy]

Are you kidding? I laughed my Tits off. For realsies, - they aren't there:confused:

So did i but replied to see if i could get one more bite {if i could get this many bites when out fishing on the lake id be well fed}.:devil2:

[Daffyd]

If you're not a motorcycle rider, you're not a motorcyclist:niceone:

I'm a motorcyclist and I have a licence to prove it. I just don't happen to have a motorcycle atm. When I buy my next motorcycle I will still be a motorcyclist. If I happen to buy a Spyder, (Not that it's likely, as I don't think they're available here,) I will still be a motorcyclist.

I am also an electrician by trade. Does this mean if I decide to get a job gardening I am no longer an electrician?

[Berries]

Yes. You would be an ex-electrician. And a gardener. Same as you are an ex-motorcyclist right up until the time you get another one.

[Subike]

Yes. You would be an ex-electrician. And a gardener. Same as you are an ex-motorcyclist right up until the time you get another one.

so as long as I have a 51cc motor cycle in my shed Im a motorcyclist
But if i have a 998cc spyder in my shed I am not. :confused:

[Berries]

If you have a shed you are a gardener.

But, just to keep this endless thread going round in more circles, if a spyder is not a motorbike, which would appear to be the general consensus from the posts I don't skim over due to the writer taking things way too seriously then, by rights, the person in charge of said vehicle cannot be called a motorcyclist. They are a spyder rider.

This is not to be confused with being a cider drinker.

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[Subike]

If you have a shed you are a gardener.

Nope, no gardens on the property the shed is on, just a fucking big building and lots of concrete,
Does that make me a janitor?

[Daffyd]

Yes. You would be an ex-electrician. And a gardener. Same as you are an ex-motorcyclist right up until the time you get another one.

Wrong again! If I was an ex electrician I would no longer be able to legally perform electrical work, as my licence would be revoked.

If I was an ex biker I would no longer be able to legally ride a motorcycle as my licence would be revoked.

I AM STILL AN ELECTRICIAN AND I AM STILL A MOTORCYCLIST whether or not I currently own a motorcycle!

What part of that don't you understand?

[FLUB]

They are a spyder rider.

This is not to be confused with being a cider drinker.

Yeah! So I'm a spyder rider cider drinker :p


Sent using morse code from my panic room.

[Berries]

Wrong again! If I was an ex electrician I would no longer be able to legally perform electrical work, as my licence would be revoked.

If I was an ex biker I would no longer be able to legally ride a motorcycle as my licence would be revoked.

I AM STILL AN ELECTRICIAN AND I AM STILL A MOTORCYCLIST whether or not I currently own a motorcycle!

What part of that don't you understand?
Erm. All of it. But keep shouting as I am sure it will sink in.

[Dangsta]

I'm a motorcyclist and I have a licence to prove it. I just don't happen to have a motorcycle atm. When I buy my next motorcycle I will still be a motorcyclist. If I happen to buy a Spyder, (Not that it's likely, as I don't think they're available here,) I will still be a motorcyclist.

I am also an electrician by trade. Does this mean if I decide to get a job gardening I am no longer an electrician?

I'm getting a bit confused again...does this mean I can wave back to people on Spyders?

[cc rider]

I met an ex-cop last wk who has a trike rego'ed as a tractor & doesn't have to wear a lid. (But he does)

Mind you, he's not allowed on highways & can't travel after dusk... :msn-wink:

[Daffyd]

Erm. All of it. But keep shouting as I am sure it will sink in.

I will, but as you're from Dunedin I'm sure it will take a while. :msn-wink:

[Daffyd]

I'm getting a bit confused again...does this mean I can wave back to people on Spyders?

I would, in your position, but then I am a motorcyclist regardless of what I'm riding/driving.

What's more, If I was riding a Spyder I would still wave to you.

[doc]

I met an ex-cop last wk who has a trike rego'ed as a tractor & doesn't have to wear a lid. (But he does)

Mind you, he's not allowed on highways & can't travel after dusk... :msn-wink:

:gob: WTF!!! Has Scummie left the force?

[St_Gabriel]

Not to add fuel to the fire and apologies for the really poor photo but I had to think of this thread when I saw this in a bike dealers in Townsville (QLD).
This was the local Kwaka, Triumph and Can Am dealer, note the four wheeled conveyances on the right hand side of the photo...

[Old Steve]

I don't wave or nod to other bikes. I wave and nod to the RIDERS - even if they are on a Honda, a Harley, a converted motorcycle trike or a Can-Am Spyder. Even if they wear a German helmet and have gang patches. All riders get a courtesy acknowledgement from me.

We're all riders, what we choose to ride is just a personal choice.

[Bassmatt]

Not to add fuel to the fire and apologies for the really poor photo but I had to think of this thread when I saw this in a bike dealers in Townsville (QLD).
This was the local Kwaka, Triumph and Can Am dealer, note the four wheeled conveyances on the right hand side of the photo...

Aussies :rolleyes:

[GrayWolf]

Having posted and read this thread all through, it really is indicative as to why riders of motorcycles in this country will get, and will continually get shafted by TPTB. We cant even get on within our own ranks, just because I don't like what you ride, harley, honda, cam am, cruiser, etc, etc. We deserve everything Gubbermints can get away with laying on us. I think someone in another thread made the comment along the lines of,, We, those here right now, will one day soon look back and say to ourselves, BUGGER! right then we COULD have made a difference if we'd stopped bickering and posturing. Read the European proposed regulation's, our bikes already conform to EU noise specs, because EU IS the biggest market. it's coming, and like a possum caught in headlights, its going to run us over.

At least I will be able to look back on the memories of a long and enjoyable biking lifetime.

[onearmedbandit]

Every definition I look up of 'motorcycle' describes them as a 'powered two wheeled vehicle'. So that excludes Can Ams and other trikes.

[willytheekid]

Having posted and read this thread all through, it really is indicative as to why riders of motorcycles in this country will get, and will continually get shafted by TPTB. We cant even get on within our own ranks, just because I don't like what you ride, harley, honda, cam am, cruiser, etc, etc. We deserve everything Gubbermints can get away with laying on us. I think someone in another thread made the comment along the lines of,, We, those here right now, will one day soon look back and say to ourselves, BUGGER! right then we COULD have made a difference if we'd stopped bickering and posturing. Read the European proposed regulation's, our bikes already conform to EU noise specs, because EU IS the biggest market. it's coming, and like a possum caught in headlights, its going to run us over.

At least I will be able to look back on the memories of a long and enjoyable biking lifetime.

+1

well said GW...and sadly...damn true :yes:

[imdying]

It's a nice straw man, but not relevant.

[Fast Eddie]

what a thread! lol..

motorcycle is surely recognized as powered 2 wheel machine, sometimes fitted with a sidecar with its own wheel.. it still a motorcycle with single front wheel for steering and single drive wheel at the rear and pretty much front and rear inline with each other but with the addition of a sidecar attached to the side of the bike though.

tricycle is a 3 wheeled unit, diff to a motorcycle/sidecar in that they have 2 front or 2 rear wheels inline and a 3rd wheel in the middle. either driving a single wheel at the back and steering with 2 at the front or vice versa.

since can ams, spyder things, trikes, do not have a front and rear wheel inline with an offset sidecar/third wheel. So they are not motorcycles or motorcycle with sidecar - but im sure you can call em all tricycles. since they have 3 wheels and still use bike controls like handlebars, handlebar twist throttle.

and a 3 wheeled car would/could be very similar to a tricycle but with car controls, a steering wheel/pedals.

all the extra shit about waving or not waving.. who gives a f*ck lol

[Paul in NZ]

Do spyders use 4 hands when they wave?

[MSTRS]

Do spyders use 4 hands when they wave?

Look it up - it'll be on the web.

[Daffyd]

Just to add to the confusion, here in the Philippines they have small motorcycles with sidecars and they call them tricycles. Used as a cheap alternative to taxis.

[willytheekid]

...tehehehe :devil2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1YoCfm7nxU&feature=g-vrec
wazzat then?....:corn:

[Berries]

wazzat then?....:corn:
Is it what you have left over after converting a Spyder in to a motorbike?

[jimichelle]

i know of one guy rode a harley for years and got ms so rode a trike for awhile now i see him in a motorised wheel chair still with his head in the wind who gives a shit what people ride ignorant fuk

[haydes55]

i know of one guy rode a harley for years and got ms so rode a trike for awhile now i see him in a motorised wheel chair still with his head in the wind who gives a shit what people ride ignorant fuk

A bit touchy, no need for personal insults. Do you wave to people in convertibles? They have the wind in their hair. in the end a wave has no rules, who gives a shit? I would wave to anyone who is driving or riding something similar to me. Some people don't wave back, dilligaf?

[wysper]

motorcycle = no
wave = yes

YMMV

[Coolz]

I think they are great. When I get to old to lift the bike onto it's centre stand I will buy one. They might not be bikes but I bet plenty of old bikers will be riding them.

[onearmedbandit]

They might not be bikes but I bet plenty of old bikers will be riding them.

I agree with this.

[actungbaby]

You're a biker. You do the fuck what you choose. That's it. No math.

who give a rats what this steve says there nothing wrong with can am spiders , and who said there even want to be called motorcycles it doesint matter

am indvidual i dont need to be told what to think by narrow minded people that scared of something

diffrent, you sound just like dicks in the past that said oh bikers:shit:

[GTRMAN]

Bike, Trike, Quad or what ever. Who really cares. You want to wave, then wave, you don't, then don't. This thread just seems to be confirming what a fair few people think. Motorcycle riders are low level xenophobes with the world view of a schoolyard bully. "you can't play with us cause you're different...."

[Daffyd]

Bike, Trike, Quad or what ever. Who really cares. You want to wave, then wave, you don't, then don't. This thread just seems to be confirming what a fair few people think. Motorcycle riders are low level xenophobes with the world view of a schoolyard bully. "you can't play with us cause you're different...."

Well put! You've got it in a nutshell!

[GrayWolf]

Bike, Trike, Quad or what ever. Who really cares. You want to wave, then wave, you don't, then don't. This thread just seems to be confirming what a fair few people think. Motorcycle riders are low level xenophobes with the world view of a schoolyard bully. "you can't play with us cause you're different...."

Spot on... rep given!!!

[F5 Dave]

Bike, Trike, Quad or what ever. Who really cares. You want to wave, then wave, you don't, then don't. This thread just seems to be confirming what a fair few people think. Motorcycle riders are low level xenophobes with the world view of a schoolyard bully. "you can't play with us cause you're different...."
This post seems to be confirming what a fair few people think of people from the 'nui. But its ok because I said 'what a fair few people think' so I can say I don't think this & elevate myself while putting other people down.

I get bored of people who think they are better than others & use a condescending tone to belittle them.

Bullies? We're not trying to push them off the road or anything.

[haydes55]

We're not trying to push them off the road or anything.

Well lets face it, if we tried, I bet the Spyder will come out better off.

[F5 Dave]

Well if any of the drivers were motorcyclists they'd instinctively counter steer & go the wrong way & run themselves off the road. Because , you know; they aren't motorcycles of course:shifty:.

[Ocean1]

Well if any of the drivers were motorcyclists they'd instinctively counter steer & go the wrong way...

... and then panic and go for the front brake.

And not find it and then panic some more.

Mate you've got no idea how hard it is to unlearn that shit when you're pushing them along a bit.

[GrayWolf]

... and then panic and go for the front brake.

And not find it and then panic some more.

Mate you've got no idea how hard it is to unlearn that shit when you're pushing them along a bit.


Well if any of the drivers were motorcyclists they'd instinctively counter steer & go the wrong way & run themselves off the road. Because , you know; they aren't motorcycles of course:shifty:.

you're both correct, it takes time like learning ANY new vehicle driving technique. If you do not give enough time for the skill mastery to become sub conscious before you 'push it along'? then you are only proving youre an effin numbnuts... It took a fair while to not instinctively counter steer and/or grab the front brake, but then, hang on, bet you dont try to 'grab' the front brake driving a car, do you? Same principal applies,,, you've committed to unconscious memory (cerebellum) just like walking etc the required skill set for the particular vehicle.

[imdying]

Only because it's not a motorcycle...

[F5 Dave]

yeah yeah, we've established that, even the Trolls are agreeing its pretty much a car. So do we wave to the car drivers? Meh, nah.