Rioting Muslims in Aussie

[jimbo600]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/7685753/Muslim-protestors-tear-gassed

Well hell. Here in a civilised evolved society we respect and at times endure free speech. If those who embrace the vile and intolorant dogma that is Islam take umbrage at our way of life then you can pack your sorry shit up and piss off back to the shithole whence you came. Yes i'm happy to insult Islam. Behead me if you dare. I'd be more than happy to fill you full of hot lead poisoning.

[Virago]

Are they not exercising their own free speech...?

[jimbo600]

Are they not exercising their own free speech...?

Um no not really not by rioting and threatening to chop folks heads off. They're exercising criminal acts. Different than free speech.

[Virago]

Perhaps they find inflamatory and sleazy films made by a sleazy porn peddler to be just as offensive?

[R6_kid]

Yeah cool, be angry. But Australians have nothing to do with the guy that made the video, neither did those in the US embassy that were killed. The reaction is completely irrational. Atheists denounce the existence of God left, right, and centre and yet the Christians never riot.

[jimbo600]

Perhaps they find inflamatory and sleazy films made by a sleazy porn peddler to be just as offensive?

Yep no doubt. And they'd be right to be offended. But hey lets go blame America and kill ambassadors and threaten all those with a head chop. Hey if you agree with em fine and dandy. However if I had a guest in my house that carried on like that then they'd be shown the door.

[Virago]

...I'd be more than happy to fill you full of hot lead poisoning.


...They're exercising criminal acts. Different than free speech.

I looked up "hypocrisy" in the dictionary. It said "See jimbo600". :msn-wink:

By the way, I'm not condoning the violence. But if you don't want the dog to bite, don't poke it with a sharp stick.

[jimbo600]

I looked up "hypocrisy" in the dictionary. It said "See jimbo600". :msn-wink:

I believe you looked in the complete dictionary for Utopian luddites. Very different than the language of the real world.

[jimbo600]

I looked up "hypocrisy" in the dictionary. It said "See jimbo600". :msn-wink:

By the way, I'm not condoning the violence. But if you don't want the dog to bite, don't poke it with a sharp stick.

Or maybe don'k keep a vicious dog in ones casa.

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'nuff said.
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[Woodman]

Its just a movie FFS.

Fucken simpletons.

[Tigadee]

Buddhists are worse! They carry signs that say "Insult Buddha and we'll reincarnate your ass into an ass's anus!"

[sgtp]

There have been nearly 20,000 documented murders from terrorist acts in the name of Islam since 9/11. I swear, once Iran gets the a-bomb, there's going to be a lot of death and destruction in our future.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

[Virago]

Yeah cool, be angry. But Australians have nothing to do with the guy that made the video, neither did those in the US embassy that were killed. The reaction is completely irrational. Atheists denounce the existence of God left, right, and centre and yet the Christians never riot.

Christians have a long (and even recent) history of reacting to offensive provocation. It wasn't that long ago that the "Virgin in a Condom" exhibit in New Zealand resulted in threats against both the artist and the gallery.

[ellipsis]

...it does make you think what extreme shit will actually impact directly on our wee way of life...as a token of my disdain , i am having a sit in(and a quiet drink), at 'one' with the entity i have chosen as my spiritual leader...he's a real good cunt...

[gammaguy]

And of course during the crusades of the middle Ages the knights of christianity behaved with restraint and kindnesses and sat down with the muslims for a nice cup of tea

They never beheaded anyone

Yeah right

some people have short memories, clearly others do not

[Berries]

It wasn't that long ago that the "Virgin in a Condom" exhibit in New Zealand resulted in threats against both the artist and the gallery.
Threats.

I don't recall blood on the streets or heads being caved in with batons. Or murder.

Peaceful religion my arse.


And if you have to go back to the Middle Ages then you have lost the argument.

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And of course during the crusades of the middle Ages the knights of christianity behaved with restraint and kindnesses and sat down with the muslims for a nice cup of tea

They never beheaded anyone

Yeah right

some people have short memories, clearly others do not
But at least the christians have improved since then. islam today is what christianity was 300 years ago.

[scumdog]

Perhaps they find inflamatory and sleazy films made by a sleazy porn peddler to be just as offensive?

So, how many 'protesters' actually saw this 'inflamatory' film?

About the same number that saw all them virgins in heaven???

[ellipsis]

...i thought this was heaven...where the fuck are those virgins...fuck all round here...

[scumdog]

And of course during the crusades of the middle Ages the knights of christianity behaved with restraint and kindnesses and sat down with the muslims for a nice cup of tea

They never beheaded anyone

Yeah right

some people have short memories, clearly others do not

Yeah right, my memory only goes back a hundred years..

fikkin' cretin, sheesh...like nobody has moved on since then...well the 'protestisng' Muslems certainly haven't!

[gammaguy]

Threats.

I don't recall blood on the streets or heads being caved in with batons. Or murder.

Peaceful religion my arse.


And if you have to go back to the Middle Ages then you have lost the argument.


and right there you prove how short your memory is

Some people just don't get it do they

[gammaguy]

Yeah right, my memory only goes back a hundred years..

fikkin' cretin, sheesh...like nobody has moved on since then...well the 'protestisng' Muslems certainly haven't!

Glad to see at least someone gets my point

THEY HAVE NOT MOVED ON

[ellipsis]

Glad to see at least someone gets my point

THEY HAVE NOT MOVED ON

...well it's time they jolly well did so...

[scissorhands]

aaaaw there goes my $5 kebabs I get for lunch, I'm not eating there again till this blows over
I wonder if The Grey Wolves and other Nationalist groups in NZ will become active?
Prolly a few mint teas and prayers going down as we speak

[slowpoke]

Hmmm, didn't the Christian "leader of the free world" invade Iraq, Afghanistan recently? (note, there has never been a non-Christian US President, so the two are inextricably linked...check out Presidential hopeful Mitt Romney's religious resume) Didn't the Christian Australian leader(s) support them in this and many other actions? Aren't Muslims still imprisoned without trial and without evidence in Guantanamo 10 years after the fact?

I'm not supporting the protestors actions but it's pretty easy to see why they might feel a lil' antsy and reach tipping point.

Closer to home, didn't we have our own case recently of that church sign repeatedly destroyed in Auckland because some Christian zealot took offence at another church's message? Weren't there threats of it continuing as long as the message remained?

The religious crazies are everywhere, and of all denominations, I'm fukn' glad I live out in the boonies!

[Sable]

Five point five six millimeter. Full. Metal. Jacket.

[Hinny]

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef017c31deaab3970b-250wi

Was Mel perhaps correct in his drunken assertions?
What the Israelis are doing to Palestine and their warmongering against Iran make Islamist bad behaviour pale in comparison.
The biggest threat to world peace is definitely The United States of America.
It doesn't matter who becomes President. It is not them that wield the Power.
Those that do are supporters of the above poster.
Hilary Clinton came out with this little gem. If Iran attacks Israel we will wipe them off the face of the earth.
Time to rid ourselves of the warmongers. Give peace a chance.
There has only been one four year period in their entire history when they haven't attacked some foreign country. Almost exclusively brown people.
Hilary came out with another pearl recently. She said the protesters outside US embassies should go home.
I think it is the US that should go home.
'Yankee go home' has a long and proud history. Time to trot it out worldwide.
If they had an enviable society then they might have some place trying to advance their systems and social mores. But when their society is so fucked up then they have no business being anywhere else. They need to address their own problems first.
Becoming a democracy would be a start. Putting the power into the hands of moral people should be a goal. Won't ever happen there I'm picking.

The New World Order promoted by George Bush snr. has come to pass. Who wields the power?
How to isolate our country from their domination? That is a major hurdle. With John Key as PM we are clearly on a path at odds with that ideal.

US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta coming here 'as part of a US bid to shift towards the region'.
Previous US expansionism was the cause of the 'War in the Pacific' according to some Japamese historians.
Hope this new US expansionism is not the cause of another conflict in our backyard.

[Kickaha]

And of course during the crusades of the middle Ages the knights of christianity behaved with restraint and kindnesses and sat down with the muslims for a nice cup of tea

Middle ages? Haven't you heard of some Christian guy called Anders Behring Breivik?

Lets do some Bible study Deuteronomy 13:6-10 (King James Version)

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage

Yeah sounds that sounds like a religion of peace to me

[300weatherby]

Five point five six millimeter. Full. Metal. Jacket.

No messing about with non effective pissant small calibre -

Big white flash and the source of the problem is gone, and the world will be a better place.

[300weatherby]

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef017c31deaab3970b-250wi

Was Mel perhaps correct in his drunken assertions?
What the Israelis are doing to Palestine and their warmongering against Iran make Islamist bad behaviour pale in comparison.
The biggest threat to world peace is definitely The United States of America.
It doesn't matter who becomes President. It is not them that wield the Power.
Those that do are supporters of the above poster.
Hilary Clinton came out with this little gem. If Iran attacks Israel we will wipe them off the face of the earth.
Time to rid ourselves of the warmongers. Give peace a chance.
There has only been one four year period in their entire history when they haven't attacked some foreign country. Almost exclusively brown people.
Hilary came out with another pearl recently. She said the protesters outside US embassies should go home.
I think it is the US that should go home.
'Yankee go home' has a long and proud history. Time to trot it out worldwide.
If they had an enviable society then they might have some place trying to advance their systems and social mores. But when their society is so fucked up then they have no business being anywhere else. They need to address their own problems first.
Becoming a democracy would be a start. Putting the power into the hands of moral people should be a goal. Won't ever happen there I'm picking.

The New World Order promoted by George Bush snr. has come to pass. Who wields the power?
How to isolate our country from their domination? That is a major hurdle. With John Key as PM we are clearly on a path at odds with that ideal.

US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta coming here 'as part of a US bid to shift towards the region'.
Previous US expansionism was the cause of the 'War in the Pacific' according to some Japamese historians.
Hope this new US expansionism is not the cause of another conflict in our backyard.

Israel is trapped on all sides by countries and ideoligy that would wipe them from the planet man woman and child if they could - Israel must remain aggressive and proactive at all times, being passive and non confrontational is to show weakness to their enemies.

The ONLY reason Israel still exists is all of the surrounding countries understand clearly that the first one to jump them will get totally cleaned out. - Imagine being down a dark alley and you have a gun, but only one bullet, and five bad guys want to jump you, they know you have only one bullet and none of them wants to be first, but they all want to get you and you are never gonna get out of that alley, ever. Over the top aggression is their ONLY defence


As for the bad bad bad USA? Pay attention to China, sit back and take a long slow look at what has been happening over a very long period of modern history. Start learning manadrin cause soon enough it may be necessary.

[Nova.]

Thank fuck I'm an atheist.
Look at all the bullshit religion causes.

[Woodman]

Have any of these rioters actually seen allah/mahumad/whoever? heard him speak? any evidence at all that he is nothing but some crap planted in their brains by overbearing cocks who have also had the same crap planted in their brains?

If they really stopped to think about it surely they would slink away from the riots just a little bit embarrassed.

[Madness]

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Whilst it's very poorly made, I can still see why it's fucked them off.

[sugilite]

Humans - There are good ones and bad ones. Both types come in ALL flavours, colour and creeds.

Are religious wars really about which side has the bestest imaginary friend? Or rather to win the ultimate rights to domination over humanity?

[scissorhands]

Atheists should do a march and protest. Tell everyone on all sides what a bunch of fucktards they are all behaving like.

Queen St Friday night is full of uber fundamentalist Christians from Mount Roskill, girls with long hair and long skirts, some goons and some young tards and a raving preacher with a bible above his head...

hyper aggressively filling youngsters with psychological and moral guilt, whilst they have a fun night out with their friends... makes the Haris look look very tame

[Woodman]

Whilst it's very poorly made, I can still see why it's fucked them off.

Is that what all the fuss is about?

[Madness]

Is that what all the fuss is about?

Apparently.

[PrincessBandit]

Christians have a long (and even recent) history of reacting to offensive provocation. It wasn't that long ago that the "Virgin in a Condom" exhibit in New Zealand resulted in threats against both the artist and the gallery.

True, but I don't recall any death threats or demands for beheadings.

[duckonin]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/7685753/Muslim-protestors-tear-gassed

Well hell. Here in a civilised evolved society we respect and at times endure free speech. If those who embrace the vile and intolorant dogma that is Islam take umbrage at our way of life then you can pack your sorry shit up and piss off back to the shithole whence you came. Yes i'm happy to insult Islam. Behead me if you dare. I'd be more than happy to fill you full of hot lead poisoning.

:2thumbsup 100%

[mashman]

Israel is trapped on all sides by countries and ideoligy that would wipe them from the planet man woman and child if they could - Israel must remain aggressive and proactive at all times, being passive and non confrontational is to show weakness to their enemies.

The ONLY reason Israel still exists is all of the surrounding countries understand clearly that the first one to jump them will get totally cleaned out. - Imagine being down a dark alley and you have a gun, but only one bullet, and five bad guys want to jump you, they know you have only one bullet and none of them wants to be first, but they all want to get you and you are never gonna get out of that alley, ever. Over the top aggression is their ONLY defence

As for the bad bad bad USA? Pay attention to China, sit back and take a long slow look at what has been happening over a very long period of modern history. Start learning manadrin cause soon enough it may be necessary.

I remember reading a few storied several months ago in regards to how the Israeli and Iranian people "felt" towards each other. Meh, they're people was the crux. Tis a small bunch of small minded powerful individuals seeking to keep the tension alive, praying (pun intended) on the fear of other small minded powerful individuals in order to keep them from being peaceful. I dare say the majority of people in any of the surrounding country's wouldn't give a toss if there were no "war", religiously based or other... but it's good to know that the Americans (the powerful small minded ones) will happily clear out your neighbours, coz they're terrorists, to protect you.

As for aggression in the name of defence, peace doesn't generate money and the small minded power hungry don't care who dies to protect that ideology.

Meanwhile on topic. I can understand why these things happen. Tis a bit like insulting someone's mum... cept they're protecting the "virtue" of their father for a change. Some will react, some won't.

[george formby]

I wonder how many of the rioting medievalists have seen the movie? Mob mentality more like, they do like to have a good shout.

[Virago]

True, but I don't recall any death threats or demands for beheadings.

Only a couple of weeks ago many New Zealanders were making threats of rape and death against a Canadian woman who simply expressed her opinion about a Kiwi Soldier.

I'm certainly not condoning any violent response to offensive provocation. But the "right of free speech" does not convey the right to antagonise, offend, and incite hatred.

The film in question was made solely to offend and provoke. It is a nasty little piece of trash - they even dubbed anti-islamic voice-overs for the innocent actors who thought they were participating in something else entirely.

They got the response they were hoping for. But on whose hands is the blood?

[Hinny]

Israel is trapped on all sides by countries and ideoligy that would wipe them from the planet man woman and child if they could - Israel must remain aggressive and proactive at all times, being passive and non confrontational is to show weakness to their enemies.

The ONLY reason Israel still exists is all of the surrounding countries understand clearly that the first one to jump them will get totally cleaned out. - Imagine being down a dark alley and you have a gun, but only one bullet, and five bad guys want to jump you, they know you have only one bullet and none of them wants to be first, but they all want to get you and you are never gonna get out of that alley, ever. Over the top aggression is their ONLY defence


As for the bad bad bad USA? Pay attention to China, sit back and take a long slow look at what has been happening over a very long period of modern history. Start learning manadrin cause soon enough it may be necessary.

Fairly naive assessment in my opinion. Gobbledegook spewed out by Netanyahu and his mates.
Parroted by the US.
The likes of Hilary Clinton, who is so out of touch with her position that she believes Israel is an ally of the US.
She has stated as much on many occassions.
Israel is not an ally.
To be so would invite direction from the US. As a previous PM, (typical former war criminal who's name escapes me -Oh!-Perez ), stated "we will take their money and we will take their arms but we will not take their advice." I believe that is still the current situation with the encumbant bad man.
Mitt Romney is also ignorant of the exact relationship between the US and Israel. aside no doubt from the fact that he has met with the Bilderberg group and been told what the position will be. I wonder if he got shown the film shot from the grassy knoll.
Here is what he is reported as saying:
Mitt Romney at the VFW Conference (http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/07/24/transcript-mitt-romneys-remarks-at-vfw-national-convention/) (July 24, 2012): ”President Obama is fond of lecturing Israel’s leaders. He was even caught by a microphone deriding them. He has undermined their position, which was tough enough as it was. And even at the United Nations, to the enthusiastic applause of Israel’s enemies, he spoke as if our closest ally in the Middle East was the problem. The people of Israel deserve better than what they have received from the leader of the free world. And the chorus of accusations, threats, and insults at the United Nations should never again include the voice of the President of the United States.”

Plonker! US taxpayers did stump up more than $27,000 in aid for every man, woman and child in Israel.
They got more in aid than the rest of the world combined.
Mutt seems to think they deserve more.

Jimmy Carter's book 'Palestine - Peace not apartheid' is a worthy read.
If you have an open mind it will, IMHO, change your opinion of the situation.

I agree with your second point: Learning Mandarin is recommended by many who see the growth of the Chinese market and their increasing presence on the world stage as the natural market for us to chase. Many predict the fall of the US from the dominant position they have assumed just as dominant empires have been usurped in the past. Current debt 135% of GDP. In NZ with debt 30% of GDP we have a Govt. telling us debt levels are the driving force behind asset sales.
Maybe it is time for Kiwis to become a bit more politically active and stand up for their rights and beliefs in the manner that others are in foreign lands. Time for a revolution? Never happen here. Kiwis are too complacent....and cultured.
Others may describe them as possessed of great common sense and good taste. Meaning thereby, without originality or moral courage. Homage to G.B. Shaw.

[PrincessBandit]

Only a couple of weeks ago many New Zealanders were making threats of rape and death against a Canadian woman who simply expressed her opinion about a Kiwi Soldier.

I'm certainly not condoning any violent response to offensive provocation. But the "right of free speech" does not convey the right to antagonise, offend, and incite hatred.

The film in question was made solely to offend and provoke. It is a nasty little piece of trash - they even dubbed anti-islamic voice-overs for the innocent actors who thought they were participating in something else entirely.

They got the response they were hoping for. But on whose hands is the blood?

Were those New Zealanders making the threats Christian? Perhaps they were, probably they weren't. Certainly it's a sad fact that there is a percentage of mankind with a penchant for hatred and violence and offensiveness. Religion is so easily a vehicle for abusive leadership, leading to a ready made band wagon for the dyed-in-the-wool rentamob thugs.
My point, along with most here, is speaking out against those who attack completely innocent bystanders and people who have nothing to do with this film. Your point about the voice-over, if correct, only serves to highlight the lack of morals and credibility of the film makers, not the innocent participants or anyone else who had absolutely nothing to do with it.
My suspicion is that even if there was world-wide condemnation by a united humanity over this film (a drop in the ocean of mankind's existence, mind you) there would still be those who will relish the opportunity to use it as a vehicle of hatred against fellow human beings. Simply because it is in their nature to do so.

[Hinny]

My suspicion is that even if there was world-wide condemnation by a united humanity over this film (a drop in the ocean of mankind's existence, mind you) there would still be those who will relish the opportunity to use it as a vehicle of hatred against fellow human beings. Simply because it is in their nature to do so.

I think it was simply a catalyst.
My email has been bombarded with anti-Islamic hate speech for far too long. Part of an organised movement?
Media coverage is almost universally anti-Islamic. Continual brain washing in this manner is IMO responsible for the radical and polarised views expressed in this thread.
The countries kicking up a bit rough have endured actions which would make even complacent (BUT NOT BRAIN DEAD) Kiwis turn into members of riotous mobs, rebels, insurgents...call them what you will.
The US and Israel kill, maim,starve or deprive people of their liberty every day. Our news editors are so one sided/controlled we don't get to see that.
Russel Falk, the UN Special Rapporteur to the Middle East reported the long term hunger strike of 1500 Palestinian prisoners and the iminent death of many of them. There was no media coverage of this.
Compare this with the coverage Cheng wan Cheng, the Chinese blind disident got or the Israeli soldier captured by the Palestinians and held for five years. There was International pressure to have him released.
Of the 1500 hunger strikers - No coverage.
The US invaded Iraq because they said they had failed to abide by two UN resolutions.
The fact that Israel has ignored hundreds of UN resolutions against them doesn't get a mention.

[Big Dave]

Fitz nails it as usual:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/an-open-letter-20120915-25ziq.html

[scumdog]

Fitz nails it as usual:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/an-open-letter-20120915-25ziq.html

Yup.

All over a film none of them are likely to have seen:weep::weird::facepalm:

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Found this on the tardme forums, and they say children are the future. Scary shit.
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[Woodman]

Fitz nails it as usual:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/an-open-letter-20120915-25ziq.html

Absolutely bang on Fitz.

[MisterD]

But the "right of free speech" does not convey the right to antagonise, offend,

Yes it does, otherwise the right to free speech isn't worth shit. Sorry, but nobody has an automatic right to go through life without being offended.

"Hate speech" is a nonsense concept, one step removed from thought control.

[SMOKEU]

Fuck Islam. 1488

[RDJ]

Christians have a long (and even recent) history of reacting to offensive provocation. It wasn't that long ago that the "Virgin in a Condom" exhibit in New Zealand resulted in threats against both the artist and the gallery.

Ah yes, the false equivalence post. Not that many Christian follow-throughs on lethal threats though; the Religion Of Peace seems to have a real gung ho attitude to implementing threats on the other hand. Do we really think yer average suburban Baptist is as big a worry as yer average suburban Muslim?

[superman]

Ah yes, the false equivalence post. Not that many Christian follow-throughs on lethal threats though; the Religion Of Peace seems to have a real gung ho attitude to implementing threats on the other hand. Do we really think yer average suburban Baptist is as big a worry as yer average suburban Muslim?

Do you really think your average suburban White is as big a worry as your average suburban Black?

[SMOKEU]

Do you really think your average suburban White is as big a worry as your average suburban Black?

The results speak for themselves.

[RDJ]

Do you really think your average suburban White is as big a worry as your average suburban Black?

Not sure what point you are aiming at and missing but let me help to prevent potential confusion; my post was comparing Baptists and Muslims. These are people of differing religious affiliations based on one's self-proclaimed belief in and adherence to different Adult Imaginary Friends. Believers may be any race. Muslim is not a race; nor is Baptist.

'Whites' and 'Blacks' are races and are defined by skin color.

If you wished to deal the Race Card, please put it back in your deck.

[superman]

Not sure what point you are aiming at and missing but let me help to prevent potential confusion; my post was comparing Baptists and Muslims. These are people of differing religious affiliations based on one's self-proclaimed belief in and adherence to different Adult Imaginary Friends. Believers may be any race. Muslim is not a race; nor is Baptist.

'Whites' and 'Blacks' are races and are defined by skin color.

If you wished to deal the Race Card, please put it back in your deck.

:brick:

The point I was trying to make is that the average Muslim is no more threatening than the average Christian... There's no reason to say an average suburban Muslim is more frightening than an average suburban Christian.

[RDJ]

:brick:

The point I was trying to make is that the average Muslim is no more threatening than the average Christian... There's no reason to say an average suburban Muslim is more frightening than an average suburban Christian.

Hmmm... ask the Copts in suburban Egypt. Or the Christians in suburban Ambon. Or the non-Muslims in suburban Dearborn and suburban Philadelphia...

[Edbear]

So, how many 'protesters' actually saw this 'inflamatory' film?

About the same number that saw all them virgins in heaven???

Nah, they saw a bandwagon.


Fitz nails it as usual:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/an-open-letter-20120915-25ziq.html

There comes a time when people are pushed far enough to cause a backlash. What he wrote will gradually gain ground.


Found this on the tardme forums, and they say children are the future. Scary shit.
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One of the intransigents of the issue is that generations of children are taught to hate from infancy. This ensures that only death will stop them.

[RDJ]

I'm presently on a work assignment in Sydney and in a hotel 5 minutes' walk from the protest scene. On my way back from Coles with groceries I came across this "protest". What was remarkable was the naked threat of death from many in the protesters - not just what they wrote on signs but what they shouted at the police and the citizenry generally - and also their clear financial support from the taxpayer (when my wife and I had kids that age when I was an apprentice we couldn't afford to buy the strollers and backpacks and designer gear and jewelry they flaunt and encrust themselves with).

They were also generally unwashed, and the shrieking harridans were more worrisome than their illiterate (assumed) yelling-and-grunting partners mainly because one could see this unrelenting anti-West hatred being fed as a daily diet to their offspring.

The police took no *significant* action despite the death threats clearly uttered against the (rest of) the population in general and against non-Muslim Australians in particular. *The arrests made were for injuring police with flying (thrown) bottles - and indeed the perps assaulting the police should be arrested - but the police and authorities as usual gave a free pass to adherents of the ROP (Religion Of Peace) threatening to kill the rest of us who don't believe theirs is a Religion Of Peace...

[mashman]

I'm presently on a work assignment in Sydney and in a hotel 5 minutes' walk from the protest scene. On my way back from Coles with groceries I came across this "protest". What was remarkable was the naked threat of death from many in the protesters - not just what they wrote on signs but what they shouted at the police and the citizenry generally - and also their clear financial support from the taxpayer (when my wife and I had kids that age when I was an apprentice we couldn't afford to buy the strollers and backpacks and designer gear and jewelry they flaunt and encrust themselves with).

They were also generally unwashed, and the shrieking harridans were more worrisome than their illiterate (assumed) yelling-and-grunting partners mainly because one could see this unrelenting anti-West hatred being fed as a daily diet to their offspring.

The police took no *significant* action despite the death threats clearly uttered against the (rest of) the population in general and against non-Muslim Australians in particular. *The arrests made were for injuring police with flying (thrown) bottles - and indeed the perps assaulting the police should be arrested - but the police and authorities as usual gave a free pass to adherents of the ROP (Religion Of Peace) threatening to kill the rest of us who don't believe theirs is a Religion Of Peace...

What! no weather report?

[Nova.]

i keep misreading as 'rooting muslims in aussie'

[RDJ]

What! no weather report?

Sure

The rain rains on the just and unjust fella
But mainly on the just
Because the unjust just stole
The just's umbrella

There you go

[Akzle]

Well hell. Here in a civilised evolved society we respect and at times endure free speech. If those who embrace the vile and intolorant dogma that is Islam take umbrage at our way of life then you can pack your sorry shit up and piss off back to the shithole whence you came. Yes i'm happy to insult Islam. Behead me if you dare. I'd be more than happy to fill you full of hot lead poisoning.

:killingme:
as opposed to the lovely, tolerant dogma of god-fearin' christianity upon which your white country was built eh?

funny. that you chose that word, intolerant, (guess who's displaying the symptom...)

if you're so fucking righteous. enlist.
...you've only got a year left. quick!
(bet you're pussy. innit)

[RDJ]

:killingme:
as opposed to the lovely, tolerant dogma of god-fearin' christianity upon which your white country was built eh?

funny. that you chose that word, intolerant, (guess who's displaying the symptom...)
)

Funny you should choose that word intolerant yourself. "We" are way too tolerant of Muslim/Islamic intolerance. Just ask all the people who have been driven from their homes and had their churches burned around their ears... or the schoolgirls who were locked inside a burning school by the Islamic religious police so's they would not be seen by men not of their family... or flogged or died from stoning because - ah heck, you know how the rest goes already. As Inigo Montoya would say about you quoting intolerance: "I do not think that word means what you think it means".

[SMOKEU]

The following video presents a chilling outlook on the future of Europe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THrltK9cGo8

[Road kill]

This is just going to end like it did when the Bra' boys got out of line a couple of years ago.

White Aussies giving the wogs a bash an maybe even the odd drive by,,then the wogs having a big cry an claiming the white Aussies are just being racist.

Should make some good TV.

$10 say's by the end of this week:2thumbsup

Any takers ?

[mashman]

Sure

The rain rains on the just and unjust fella
But mainly on the just
Because the unjust just stole
The just's umbrella

There you go

Did the tax payer pay for them thar unmbrellas... gotta say your post was a stroke of genius. Not only are they the great unwashed, they're the great unemployed unwashed who use their dole to buy umbrellas. I hate the west and I'm a white european agnostic. There is no just in any of these group that isn't calling for peace and that goes doubly for the unjust west enforcing their beliefs in country's that they have no business poking their noses in to... especially when they try to excuse it as protecting human rights.

[300weatherby]

That vid paints the picture so well. We have got to get rid of MMP and immigration.

I have to give serious condideration to joining the National Front and help them in becoming a viable political option.I belong to the most discriminated against sector of society: white, male, working and christian.

The stupid bleeding heart dogooders/ leftist/ alternatists/ do not understand what these people are because they have not seen them in their own environment at their third world babarian animal worst.

And once it begins, it is too hard to stop without strong political will to ignore the minority that would impose their will upon the majority. We should be about the greater good, not the noisy self absorbed rabble minority. That includes the self serving greed based moari grevance gravy train.

I don't want to say "I told you so" a generation from now, but the weakness and need to pander to the minority and to "trading partners" like China, means sadly, I probably will.

[jimbo600]

if you're so fucking righteous. enlist.
...you've only got a year left. quick!
(bet you're pussy. innit)[/COLOR]

Enlist into what?

[The End]

The video Smokeu posted is what's going to happen someday. There is another one floating around on Youtube about a woman who revisits her home town in the UK only to find it has been overtaken by Muslims who are protesting to kick the "white man" out of power and replace it with Muslim rule.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/9313903.jpg

[short-circuit]

I honestly can't tell whether certain people in this thread are serious or are taking the piss....

[flyingcrocodile46]

I watched the 60 minutes world premiere of an interview with the Navy Seal that killed Bin laden. A very thorough level of detailing and pretty admirable sort of chap. But Geeeeeze.. the timing :facepalm:. Who is pulling the strings of this puppet show. FFS:rolleyes:

[Road kill]

I honestly can't tell whether certain people in this thread are serious or are taking the piss....

I'm taking the piss,,,on that you can count.

The other ones your talking about are just gutless cunt's that spew their hate and fear from behind the saftey of their PC's.

But they are amusing as all get out:nya::corn:

[Indiana_Jones]

Fun times ahead....

-Indy

[RDJ]

I'm taking the piss,,,on that you can count.

The other ones your talking about are just gutless cunt's that spew their hate and fear from behind the saftey of their PC's.



"Observe, class, a classic example of projection".

Or perhaps you are serious oh Road Kill, standing boldly out in full view in front of your keyboard, looking at reports like this:

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iranian newspapers are reporting that a religious foundation has increased a reward for killing British author Salman Rushdie to $3.3 million from $2.8 million in response to alleged insults to the Prophet Muhammad.

The Sunday reports in the hardline Jomhoori Eslami daily and other newspapers appeared to be a reference to an anti-Islam film that sparked a series of protests across the Muslim world.

The report said that the 15 Khordad Foundation will pay the prize to whoever acts on the 1989 death fatwa issued by Iran's late leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini against the author of the novel "The Satanic Verses," calling his book blasphemous.

The reward started at one million U.S. dollars and is occasionally increased

[liljegren]

Two interesting dogma converging this week. Part- maori claiming moral high ground and all that lies before them, and so-called Moslems claiming offense over a cartoon movie. Each represents an equally frustrated group of people, each going for publicity at any cost. Whilst we Kiwis can have a dialogue over our disagreements, we are all winners. When we have riots, we are all losers. Lets keep the banter going, keep learning about the others' view, and lets not write silly banners for our kids to learn from.

[jrandom]

Whilst it's very poorly made, I can still see why it's fucked them off.

Poorly made by an anonymous author. No inherent artistic merit or humour - its only raison d'être is to rile Muslims up.

Am I the only person who quickly reaches the conclusion that this film is propaganda made by radical Islamic interests?

Edit: Maybe not. http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/national_world&id=8812521

[scott411]

good youtube vid i found on the subject,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=atphQK47dyA

[Paul in NZ]

The people who made this pathetic movie must be laughing their heads off... Or at least those who goaded them into making it. The two morons I've seen so far look like it would be a struggle for them to decide what to have for breakfast....

But what its done is get the Nazi's marching in the streets again and banging their war drums...

Fucking great....

IMHO this has got NOTHING to do with Islam and lots to do with hate and mental instability. I've been lucky enough to work in relatively stable Islamic countries and visited Mosques with the people I was working with. It was pretty much like being shown around a local cathedral in an english city. No biggie and these guys were more worried about making sure the car would last another 6 months because the rates were overdue etc - ie all the normal shite we deal with.

Then there are the haters and worse those that exploit the haters and get them marching in the street... The marching in northern Ireland, Muslims in aussie, its all the same fucked up people and before you know it Joe Lunchpacks got a rifle put in his hands (again) and has to go sort out the sorry mess these cunts make......

What a species we are...

[PrincessBandit]

Sounds very much like my post. There are always going to be exploiters and those who put the loaded gun in someone else's hands.

For all our humanity, there are a lot of really sick people out there who seem to monopolise the sadistic and unpleasant part of mankind's nature.

[Phantom Limb]

I don't really want to get involved as most of what has been said is clear enough.
However in my opinion religion of any kind serves only to create division amongst people, division generates misunderstanding, misunderstanding generates conflict, then the shit hits the fan as open war.

So in my simplistic view of the whole affair, steer clear of religion, learn to respect the neighbour, treat others as you would expect to be treated in return and we'll be 'koombayahh' into the next century. :yes:

[The End]

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This video shows a crowd finding Ambassador Stephens' body. They were happy about the fact that he was dead. They didn't try to help him, they celebrated.

[SMOKEU]

This video shows a crowd finding Ambassador Stephens' body. They were happy about the fact that he was dead. They didn't try to help him, they celebrated.

That video is up to fuck all, just wait till you see the videos of what these animals are really like on liveleak.com, bestgore.com, thatsphucked.com and theync.com. If people knew what they actually behave like then maybe they wouldn't be so welcoming in allowing them to infest other countries. People will remain ignorant and only open their eyes once it's too late.

[The End]

That video is up to fuck all, just wait till you see the videos of what these animals are really like on liveleak.com, bestgore.com, thatsphucked.com and theync.com. If people knew what they actually behave like then maybe they wouldn't be so welcoming in allowing them to infest other countries. People will remain ignorant and only open their eyes once it's too late.

Yeah, they sure are a 'problem' in the world. But don't say that in front of them. It'll be off with your head before you can say boom!

[SMOKEU]

Yeah, they sure are a 'problem' in the world. But don't say that in front of them. It'll be off with your head before you can say boom!

The other problem is that when those parasites infest white countries, they demand that their rights and religion be respected. If one of us non believers goes to an Islamic country and preaches our beliefs, then we will likely be beheaded as a consequence, or suffer imprisonment or other harsh penalty.

Islam is nothing but a religion that preaches hate toward all non believers. Everyone who is not a Muslim is said to be an enemy of Islam, and it is the duty of all Muslims according to the Quran to wage jihad (holy war) on the non believers.

[superman]

The other problem is that when those parasites infest white countries, they demand that their rights and religion be respected. If one of us non believers goes to an Islamic country and preaches our beliefs, then we will likely be beheaded as a consequence, or suffer imprisonment or other harsh penalty.

Islam is nothing but a religion that preaches hate toward all non believers. Everyone who is not a Muslim is said to be an enemy of Islam, and it is the duty of all Muslims according to the Quran to wage jihad (holy war) on the non believers.

Isn't it good that our country's secular in nature and accepts all cultures and religions?

Extremist Christians follow the exact same 'kill non-believers' stuff... It's only extremist Muslims who are in the news... and stereotyping the entire Islam population because of that is ridiculous. It's simply a young religion who takes itself too seriously and hasn't had an enlightenment yet. Think pre-19th century Christianity...

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives. (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

[SMOKEU]

Sure, Christianity has its evils, but I haven't heard of many cases in modern times of Christians beheading non believers or detonating explosives in a crowded area with the intention of killing as many innocent civilians as possible. That sort of shit used to happen with alarming regularity several centuries ago, but the rest of us have moved on from those dark times to a more positive, civilized way of life. The fact doesn't change that Islam is an extreme religion with equally extreme beliefs.

[Banditbandit]

Yeah cool, be angry. But Australians have nothing to do with the guy that made the video, neither did those in the US embassy that were killed. The reaction is completely irrational. Atheists denounce the existence of God left, right, and centre and yet the Christians never riot.


Naaa .. they just go out and kill doctors performing abortions, threaten legislative leaders, bomb hopsitals ..

[superman]

Sure, Christianity has its evils, but I haven't heard of many cases in modern times of Christians beheading non believers or detonating explosives in a crowded area with the intention of killing as many innocent civilians as possible. That sort of shit used to happen with alarming regularity several centuries ago, but the rest of us have moved on from those dark times to a more positive, civilized way of life. The fact doesn't change that Islam is an extreme religion with equally extreme beliefs.

I don't think the average Muslim in NZ has any more extreme belief than the average Christian.

al-Qaeda and terrorist organisations often are responsible for such attacks not your everyday Muslim.

[Banditbandit]

The results speak for themselves.

Yes - exactly - you white racists are scarey as man ... Go home to where you came from ...

[Paul in NZ]

Yes - exactly - you white racists are scarey as man ... Go home to where you came from ...

Sorry but people of all races and creeds have used superstition, religion and tradition to justify horrific acts.... Its easier when the evidence against the victim is spiritual or religious because you seldom need to show exhibit number 1 in a court....

Generation after generation we throw up these people and generation after generation the war drums sound...

Nothing ever changes but every time the wars get worse and we get more efficient at killing...

I reckon the cunts that start these things should have to be register with the UN. Ie you can't start a riot or a war unless you are registered. Then we get Dr Nick to introduce an ACC like component....

[Banditbandit]

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQGmo3CGPhd39ojojWlHhBbcnR5MKRF0 tCjcuxlCHmGpoyGwMBrSzX1AqspxQ

[Hinny]

Sure, Christianity has its evils, but I haven't heard of many cases in modern times of Christians beheading non believers or detonating explosives in a crowded area with the intention of killing as many innocent civilians as possible. That sort of shit used to happen with alarming regularity several centuries ago, but the rest of us have moved on from those dark times to a more positive, civilized way of life. The fact doesn't change that Islam is an extreme religion with equally extreme beliefs.

What world do you live in? Lala land?

Have you forgotten about George W Bush's New Crusade. - In Iraq alone -killing more than a Million people and causing Five million to flee as refugees.
Shock and Awe, that inspired program to 'win Hearts and Minds' and free those people .
6000 Cruise Missiles fired into Bahgdad in 24 hours freed plenty of people. From their lives.

The horrors perpetrated by Muslims pale into insignificance when compared to the evils perpetrated by Stupid White Men and one Black woman. Mostly Jews but with a 'Born again Christian' as their figurehead. I was going to write 'Leader' but that just didn't seem to ring true.

Mr. Bush once called for a more humble foreign policy. The times never demanded one more than now.

[MisterD]

I don't think the average Muslim in NZ has any more extreme belief than the average Christian.

al-Qaeda and terrorist organisations often are responsible for such attacks not your everyday Muslim.

The trouble is that you could apply your first statement to many law-abiding parents in the West Midlands of England...whose children went on to become the brummie accents and Aston Villa tats that our armed forces encountered in Afganistan.

If you don't think that there is a global problem with a particularly political, aggressive and facist brand of Islam which is radicalising otherwise ordinary young muslims in all western countries, then I think you have your head in the sand.

[MisterD]

killing more than a Million people

Actual figure maybe 20% of that: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Number of civilians the US deliberately set out to kill - a big fat zero.

[Tigadee]

I think the problems arise when the ones who allow immigrants into their country don't follow-through with reinforcing that the immigrants conform or at least tolerate the host country's culture, mores and values. Yes, there is a fine line between conforming and assimilation into the host society. Many immigrants can and should maintain some of their cultural identities - food is one that benefits cross-cultural ties and exchange - but they can certainly leave behind some of the baggage of their cultures.

That's why it's so ironic (and moronic) that the Muslims are protesting and threatening citizens of the host country - thereby exercising their freedom of speech - when what they are doing would never be tolerated in their own country unless as approved propoganda.

[Banditbandit]

And now Libya has arrested and charged 50 people over the deaths of the US envoy and three others ...


http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/14868179/libya-arrests-50-over-us-envoy-killing/

Maybe the Muslim world is not as united in its rioting as peope here seem to think ... Maybe some Muslims in Libya think the rioters should be charged ... and maybe some Muslims in Libya with the power to make that happen are going to make that happen ..

[ellipsis]

Sure, Christianity has its evils, but I haven't heard of many cases in modern times of Christians beheading non believers or detonating explosives in a crowded area with the intention of killing as many innocent civilians as possible. That sort of shit used to happen with alarming regularity several centuries ago, but the rest of us have moved on from those dark times to a more positive, civilized way of life. The fact doesn't change that Islam is an extreme religion with equally extreme beliefs.

...i narrowly missed out on having my head blown off by seemingly christian bunch of white blokes who planted a bomb in a maccas in London in '82 or '83...a lot of innocent people were killed...those same white christian blokes blew up a lot of other poor innocents in their quest for imposing their political values, loosely masked in religious rivalrys...and you have to add the intense hatred between the shi'ites and the sunni's into this shit to...it still comes down to money, the lack of it and power...

[short-circuit]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/7685753/Muslim-protestors-tear-gassed

Well hell. Here in a civilised evolved society we respect and at times endure free speech. If those who embrace the vile and intolorant dogma that is Islam take umbrage at our way of life then you can pack your sorry shit up and piss off back to the shithole whence you came. Yes i'm happy to insult Islam. Behead me if you dare. I'd be more than happy to fill you full of hot lead poisoning.

http://i795.photobucket.com/albums/yy239/blkst3/2138725-makes-horrible-troll-thread-people-actually-buy-it.jpg

[Nova.]

Seek
Kill
Destroy

[PrincessBandit]

Isn't it good that our country's secular in nature and accepts all cultures and religions?

Extremist Christians follow the exact same 'kill non-believers' stuff... It's only extremist Muslims who are in the news... and stereotyping the entire Islam population because of that is ridiculous. It's simply a young religion who takes itself too seriously and hasn't had an enlightenment yet. Think pre-19th century Christianity...

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) .......... Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

Holy moly batman! just as well we're not still living in OT times! Oh hey, maybe some people are....:crazy:


Seek
Kill
Destroy

Hey, is Cyber Man a religion? Along with Dalek "exterminate, exterminate" Could fit the bill quite nicely.

[Kickaha]

Sure, Christianity has its evils, but I haven't heard of many cases in modern times of Christians beheading non believers or detonating explosives in a crowded area with the intention of killing as many innocent civilians as possible. That sort of shit used to happen with alarming regularity several centuries ago, but the rest of us have moved on from those dark times to a more positive, civilized way of life. The fact doesn't change that Islam is an extreme religion with equally extreme beliefs.

Have you not heard of Anders Breivik, Northern Ireland or the Lords resistance army?

edit: fuck I forgot your hero Adolf as well

[SMOKEU]

Have you not heard of Anders Breivik, Northern Ireland or the Lords resistance army?

edit: fuck I forgot your hero Adolf as well

The scale of those political organizations pale in comparison to that of Islam.

[SMOKEU]

What world do you live in? Lala land?

Have you forgotten about George W Bush's New Crusade. - In Iraq alone -killing more than a Million people and causing Five million to flee as refugees.
Shock and Awe, that inspired program to 'win Hearts and Minds' and free those people .
6000 Cruise Missiles fired into Bahgdad in 24 hours freed plenty of people. From their lives.

The horrors perpetrated by Muslims pale into insignificance when compared to the evils perpetrated by Stupid White Men and one Black woman. Mostly Jews but with a 'Born again Christian' as their figurehead. I was going to write 'Leader' but that just didn't seem to ring true.

Mr. Bush once called for a more humble foreign policy. The times never demanded one more than now.

Someone had to put those camel jockeys in their place.

[Road kill]

Someone had to put those camel jockeys in their place.

Just like the SA blacks put the SA whites in their place,,,Yeah I can see that.

Always said we agreed on some things huh.

[SPman]

There have been nearly 20,000 documented murders from terrorist acts in the name of Islam since 9/11. I swear, once Iran gets the a-bomb, there's going to be a lot of death and destruction in our future.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

There have been well in excess of 1,000,000 people killed by acts of agression from the west in the name of "peace and civilisation" since 9/11. There's already death and destruction in our future and it's not being brought to you by Iran!

The "protesters" in Sydney are mainly young, disaffected and unemployed...and born in Australia!

Anyway - have you seen that movie - there should be rioting - for crimes against movie making. Fuck me, a Kindergarten group could make a better movie than that!

[Kickaha]

The scale of those political organizations pale in comparison to that of Islam.

You said Christians, not Christian organisations

[Woodman]

The other problem is that when those parasites infest white countries, they demand that their rights and religion be respected.

Same sort of attitude as the rioters IMHO.

[SMOKEU]

Same sort of attitude as the rioters IMHO.

I'm not the one who advocates violence or civil unrest.

[mashman]

I'm not the one who advocates violence or civil unrest.

even if it was to remove Islam from the land in which you live?

[Woodman]

I'm not the one who advocates violence or civil unrest.


Neither are you an immigrant imposing racist/devisive views in the country you now reside.:shutup:

[Hinny]

Actual figure maybe 20% of that: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Number of civilians the US deliberately set out to kill - a big fat zero.

Fantasy world?

Many reports put the figure at around Three Million people having their lives ended prematurely by the actions of the Brits, Yanks, Aussies and Kiwis.
The Blockades that we supported and manned and the destruction of the infrastructure (Power and Water) were contributing factors in addition to the daily bombing for years and years and years. It became so ordinary the media just stopped reporting it.
Pilots reportedly ran out of targets. Some resorted to bombing farmhouses and mobs of sheep!
The former Irish Prime Minister who went there as a UN Special envoy described the situation in terms something like the greatest human tradgedy in modern history.

You are behaving like a Holocaust denier.

Your last line is simply ridiculous.

[SMOKEU]

even if it was to remove Islam from the land in which you live?

It will be for the greater good. What amuses, or rather worries me, is the amount of hypocrisy around here.

In Islamic cultures, for example, women are treated as objects and have very few rights. In Saudi Arabia, they are not even allowed to drive. In many other Islamic countries, women are forbidden from even spending any time alone with a male who is not part of her family or husband. Sex outside of marriage is forbidden and carries severe consequences. Men are allowed several wives. If this sort of behaviour or ideology were to happen in NZ, it would cause outrage at an unprecedented level.

Freedom of religion is also banned in Islamic countries. Islam is the only religion.

So these people are so intent on removing the freedoms of their citizens, yet you lot want to encourage such a regime. You don't want to be directly responsible for this happening, but are happy to sit back and watch it happen.

[MisterD]

You are behaving like a Holocaust denier.


Oh do fuck off.

[Tigadee]

We have to be careful that we do not fall into the same naive thinking called the 'Neville Chamberlain Syndrome'. That's what led to WW II... The rationalisation and excuses for the rise of Nazism, the invasion of various minor countries and finally a stand against it. Or complacency: The Yanks never thought the Japanese would bomb Pearl Harbour. Stalin didn't think Hitler would back stab him and invade Russia. Mussoulilini? Well, he knew how to wear a uniform...

History repeating itself... Now, however, the Islamic elements are well-entrenched in the very countries that once could effectively oppose a rise of Islamic fanaticism, in part thanks ironically to the rejection of religion, namely Christianity in these formerly Christian countires, and embracing secularism and political correctness.

Bush was a moron and an easily manipulated dullard, so calling him a Christian is a stretch by far... Be that as it may, the way things are going, sooner or later it will be them (Muslim fanatics) pounding on your door threatening to break it down, sell your women and rape your sheep. What will you do about it when that time comes? Say, "Wait! I'm sympathetic to your cause, I feel your pain!"?? Right before they cut your throat?

[Paul in NZ]

Of course, from a religious point of view we all worship the same God anyway.... (sigh)

Steve Earle said it best...

Jerusalem
(Steve Earle)

I woke up this mornin' and none of the news was good
And death machines were rumblin' 'cross the ground where Jesus stood
And the man on my TV told me that it had always been that way
And there was nothin' anyone could do or say

And I almost listened to him
Yeah, I almost lost my mind
Then I regained my senses again
And looked into my heart to find

That I believe that one fine day all the children of Abraham
Will lay down their swords forever in Jerusalem

Well maybe I'm only dreamin' and maybe I'm just a fool
But I don't remember learnin' how to hate in Sunday school
But somewhere along the way I strayed and I never looked back again
But I still find some comfort now and then

Then the storm comes rumblin' in
And I can't lay me down
And the drums are drummin' again
And I can't stand the sound

But I believe there'll come a day when the lion and the lamb
Will lie down in peace together in Jerusalem

And there'll be no barricades then
There'll be no wire or walls
And we can wash all this blood from our hands
And all this hatred from our souls

And I believe that on that day all the children of Abraham
Will lay down their swords forever in Jerusalem

[Hinny]

Oh do fuck off.

Spitting the dummy? :crazy:

[The End]

Tell me this wouldn't eradicate Islamic jihad, extremism, terrorism/whatever you want to call it, and generally make the world more peaceful? It would end the "trillion dollar war" in a split second.

http://i.imgur.com/T8bPY.jpg

[Paul in NZ]

Tell me this wouldn't eradicate Islamic jihad, extremism, terrorism/whatever you want to call it, and generally make the world more peaceful? It would end the "trillion dollar war" in a split second.

http://i.imgur.com/T8bPY.jpg

All that would do is fuck off the crazies in Indonesia and Malaysia....

Killing the internet would stop this because there would be less of a platform for morons to show off on....

[SMOKEU]

Tell me this wouldn't eradicate Islamic jihad, extremism, terrorism/whatever you want to call it, and generally make the world more peaceful? It would end the "trillion dollar war" in a split second.




All that would do is fuck off the crazies in Indonesia and Malaysia....

Killing the internet would stop this because there would be less of a platform for morons to show off on....

Yeah, we can't forget Indonesia, although they are generally less extreme than their middle eastern counterparts. Let the Fourth Reich begin, but don't tell them that until most of them are already on the trains headed to the camps. North Africa poses a severe threat, too.

[imdying]

Tell me this wouldn't eradicate Islamic jihad, extremism, terrorism/whatever you want to call it, and generally make the world more peaceful? It would end the "trillion dollar war" in a split second.It wouldn't. See the huge archipelago north of Australia? Yeah... all Muslims.

[ellipsis]

It wouldn't. See the huge archipelago north of Australia? Yeah... all Muslims.

...and the largest standing army on the planet...

[imdying]

...and the largest standing army on the planet...

No they're not (that's North Korea), not even in the top 10.

[GSF]

Tell me this wouldn't eradicate Islamic jihad, extremism, terrorism/whatever you want to call it, and generally make the world more peaceful? It would end the "trillion dollar war" in a split second.

http://i.imgur.com/T8bPY.jpg

Nope, but it would definitely devastate the global economy, fill the atmosphere with huge amounts of radiation, a nice big cloud of fallout, and massively irradiate a huge oil-producing region. Oh and murder millions of innocent people.

[Paul in NZ]

Why do I have this feeling the Gorg and Blorg from planet epsilon beta 3 are currently monitoring this thread with a tentacle poised above the firing button and thinking 'ah fuck it - let their various gods sort it out'.....

[SMOKEU]

Nope, but it would definitely devastate the global economy, fill the atmosphere with huge amounts of radiation, a nice big cloud of fallout, and massively irradiate a huge oil-producing region. Oh and murder millions of innocent people.

And the problem is?

[Tigadee]

No they're not (that's North Korea), not even in the top 10.

But Indonesia is the largest Muslim nation though... 250 million or something like that. They did, however, only begin to riot, kill non-Muslims, rape Christian women and burn churches when radical elements from the middle east and Pakistan started infiltrating the country and inciting violence and hatred.

[imdying]

But Indonesia is the largest Muslim nation though... 250 million or something like that. They did, however, only begin to riot, kill non-Muslims, rape Christian women and burn churches when radical elements from the middle east and Pakistan started infiltrating the country and inciting violence and hatred.Now whether they have the biggest Muslim majority army in the world, that I do not know, you'll have to research that one yourself. As far as when they allegedly started on the anti Christian business... well, given the indignities they've had to suffer in the last 3 centuries at the hands of various western nations... I think it's more a matter of we reap what we sow.

[mashman]

It will be for the greater good. What amuses, or rather worries me, is the amount of hypocrisy around here.

In Islamic cultures, for example, women are treated as objects and have very few rights. In Saudi Arabia, they are not even allowed to drive. In many other Islamic countries, women are forbidden from even spending any time alone with a male who is not part of her family or husband. Sex outside of marriage is forbidden and carries severe consequences. Men are allowed several wives. If this sort of behaviour or ideology were to happen in NZ, it would cause outrage at an unprecedented level.

Freedom of religion is also banned in Islamic countries. Islam is the only religion.

So these people are so intent on removing the freedoms of their citizens, yet you lot want to encourage such a regime. You don't want to be directly responsible for this happening, but are happy to sit back and watch it happen.

So you would then. You did say that you wouldn't... and how would you know for sure that what you were doing was for the greater good? Have you ever seen Hot Fuzz?

Big fuckin deal. T'was about 100 years ago that the west treated women in a similar way. I thought they had changed the stance on women driving? Or is that just some Muslim countries? (sure I sawded it on the news). Am pretty sure white Mormons get to marry more than one woman as well. Sex outside of marriage is still seen as a sin in at least 1 Christian religion. I wonder how many Mormons there are in NZ or how many Christians who see sex before outwith marriage as a sin?

Yet people with religions other than Islam work in these countries?

Out govt is removing freedoms from their citizens and you do fuck all about that. Why should those who have chosen Islam feel any differently?

What have they been feeding you? Word of advice, stop swallowing it otherwise it'll leave a nasty mess.

[SMOKEU]

So you would then. You did say that you wouldn't... and how would you know for sure that what you were doing was for the greater good? Have you ever seen Hot Fuzz?

Big fuckin deal. T'was about 100 years ago that the west treated women in a similar way. I thought they had changed the stance on women driving? Or is that just some Muslim countries? (sure I sawded it on the news). Am pretty sure white Mormons get to marry more than one woman as well. Sex outside of marriage is still seen as a sin in at least 1 Christian religion. I wonder how many Mormons there are in NZ or how many Christians who see sex before outwith marriage as a sin?

Yet people with religions other than Islam work in these countries?

Out govt is removing freedoms from their citizens and you do fuck all about that. Why should those who have chosen Islam feel any differently?

What have they been feeding you? Word of advice, stop swallowing it otherwise it'll leave a nasty mess.

If you knew what the snackbars are really like then you would change your tune.

[Kickaha]

What have they been feeding you?

Eugène Terre'Blanches cock from a very young age I'd say

[Tigadee]

Now whether they have the biggest Muslim majority army in the world, that I do not know, you'll have to research that one yourself.

Near half a million military personnel. But they are not so well-equipped as say, Singapore [actually the main reason why Singapore has the latest F15s, F16s, Leopard main battle tanks and Apaches attack helos is because of their Muslim neighbours], but the worry is not so much military, it is the ready supply of roughly 50 million volunteers [assuming a ratio of 50-50 males and females, and then approximately removing males over age 40], that's a worrisome scenario...


As far as when they allegedly started on the anti Christian business... well, given the indignities they've had to suffer in the last 3 centuries at the hands of various western nations... I think it's more a matter of we reap what we sow.

No disputing that... And while it'll be easy to say 'Let bygones be bygones', 'Leave the past where it belongs' and all that, it's just not going to be so simple, as you say. Not forgotten and not forgiven is likely to boil up to the surface...

The trouble is that we are living in one of those western nations, and although we can hope that those who have not forgotten injustices of the past can distinguish one western nation from another [i.e. Kiwis from Brits/Yanks], we should either make inroads towards peace or else start to take measures to ensure we're not overwhelmed by the tides of militancy.

[mashman]

If you knew what the snackbars are really like then you would change your tune.

You do realise that lots of ex-Christians become Muslim? I know exactly what they're like. And the pipes are still playing in the hills and not accompanied by some dude wailing from the top of a tower somewhere (although I kinda like that too... fucked if I know what they're saying, but I kinda like it... surprised I haven't seen it on one of the "talent" shows).


Eugène Terre'Blanches cock from a very young age I'd say

:killingme GOLD

[Road kill]

If you knew what the snackbars are really like then you would change your tune.

For somebody that comes from one of the most oppressively racist countrys of modern times you sure have a lot to say about others that are no worse than your own lot were.

The worst thing is that people "like you" that ran away from SA are the very people that created the mess in SA and our stupid Gov't allowed you to then live in NZ and carry on spreading exactly the same bile that ruined your own country.

The funny thing is that any true national front in NZ would probably get rid of your lot first.

Being white is not everything pal,,both sides in Bosnia were white.

The Germans and Russians were both white.

Their colour sure didn't stop them hating and killing each other did it.

[SMOKEU]

For somebody that comes from one of the most oppressively racist countrys of modern times you sure have a lot to say about others that are no worse than your own lot were.

The worst thing is that people "like you" that ran away from SA are the very people that created the mess in SA and our stupid Gov't allowed you to then live in NZ and carry on spreading exactly the same bile that ruined your own country.

The funny thing is that any true national front in NZ would probably get rid of your lot first.

Being white is not everything pal,,both sides in Bosnia were white.

The Germans and Russians were both white.

Their colour sure didn't stop them hating and killing each other did it.

I'm not the one who brought race into this discussion, so why did you feel the need to do so, and then have the nerve to call me racist? This is nothing to do with race. It's all about religion.

[RDJ]

The former Irish Prime Minister who went there as a UN Special envoy described the situation in terms something like the greatest human tradgedy in modern history.


Actually that is a close call between present-day North Korea and recent Cambodia.

[ellipsis]

Near half a million military personnel. But they are not so well-equipped as say, Singapore [actually the main reason why Singapore has the latest F15s, F16s, Leopard main battle tanks and Apaches attack helos is because of their Muslim neighbours], but the worry is not so much military, it is the ready supply of roughly 50 million volunteers [assuming a ratio of 50-50 males and females, and then approximately removing males over age 40], that's a worrisome scenario....

...i operate from under a bridge...but i think i may have meant something like that...not that it matters, it's all just words from a fairly well off bunch of people talking about a lot of people who have an age old justifiable belief, that we are cunts...somewhat like our beliefs of them...historically i think we goaded them first...and i dont really think any of us of the true blue, chosen as the 'dogs bollocks' by 'GOD', whitey type fucks are running away..we are just being caught up with...

[Tigadee]

Gotta admire the Singaporeans. They believe in walk quietly and carry a big stick! When I was there in '07, I saw chinooks and apaches doing a flypast. My brother who'd worked in the defense industry then told me about the planned purchase of F-22s that got cancelled and so the Singaporeans were looking at the F-35 instead.

Meanwhile, while waiting for the F-35 to be available, they went ahead and placed orders for the readily available F-16G or F, whatever that was the latest version, just "to tide them over until the F-35s arrive"...:eek5: The Singaporeans also have Leopard main battle tanks, the German equivalent of the Abrams. All that for a population of NZ and the area of greater Auckland!

But of course, when you take into account the 24 million of Malaysia just north of them and 250 mil of Indonesia just south... :sweatdrop

[Tigadee]

Allah Kicked my Ass Today?

Instant karma? or Allah's revenge? Hard lessons can be good lessons.... cheap I reckon.... some things you dont fuck around with:yes:

I think that was Hone's Horror...

Avenger of Allah would probably come after you'd eaten the kebab! :ar15: out your arse like when you'd had beef vindaloo!

[gammaguy]

Gotta admire the Singaporeans. They believe in walk quietly and carry a big stick! When I was there in '07, I saw chinooks and apaches doing a flypast. My brother who'd worked in the defense industry then told me about the planned purchase of F-22s that got cancelled and so the Singaporeans were looking at the F-35 instead.

Meanwhile, while waiting for the F-35 to be available, they went ahead and placed orders for the readily available F-16G or F, whatever that was the latest version, just "to tide them over until the F-35s arrive"...:eek5: The Singaporeans also have Leopard main battle tanks, the German equivalent of the Abrams. All that for a population of NZ and the area of greater Auckland!

But of course, when you take into account the 24 million of Malaysia just north of them and 250 mil of Indonesia just south... :sweatdrop

dont forget Singapore also has compulsory military service and a very skilled armed force

not to mention a very patriotic and aware population in general (I am one of them)and whoever comes a calling better be on their game and very well organised.

Add to that the fact that Malaysia and Indonesia rely on Singapore more than they care to admit for financial support and I suspect our threat does not come from the enlightened members of those countries

As for the crazy nothing to lose violence sorts all problems types of any of our neighbours,all bets are off

[Asher]

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[Paul in NZ]

Being white is not everything pal,,both sides in Bosnia were white.

The Germans and Russians were both white.

Their colour sure didn't stop them hating and killing each other did it.

And they were all told God was on their side......

[Kickaha]

And they were all told God was on their side......


http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/Patrick2008_photo/gott-mit-uns.jpg

[slowpoke]

Funny, I was watching the Australian ABC Breakfast show (proper news show, not that "Woman's Day on telly" type shit) out here in the Timor Sea, the other morning after nightshift. They had a media expert commenting on current events and he pointed out the dichotomy between the two main media groups, with Murdoch's News Corpration pushing the "violence, violence, violence" line and Fairfax pushing the "this is a tiny minority, most muslims abhor these actions" line.

From Wiki: Australian media ownership has been described as one of the most concentrated in the world.[1] For example, 11 of the 12 capital city daily papers are owned by either Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation or by John Fairfax Holdings.[2]

Just goes to show the power of the media, and the power of a sensationalist headline. Blame the media if you like but you've got rocks in your head if you believe everything you see without question.

Realistically we're talking about a city of 4.5million people, so what proportion is the couple of hundred fringe dweller's who demonstrated? Of those couple of hundred, many were openly appalled and shouting down the loonier sloganeering, so how many of that couple of hundred represent the violent fringe? Now compare that tiny group with the thousands of CFMEU unionists protesting the Grocon building sites the previous week, where violence also erupted. Get some perspective people...but then perspective doesn't sell papers or pixels eh?

Oh yeah, did anyone else see the overhead shot of the Muslim guy standing in no-man's land between Police and Protestors, arms spread wide, appealing for peace/calm? Fuckin' brave man, and his actions spoke louder than any rabid dog's words....on either side.

[Tigadee]

And they were all told God was on their side......

The Russians were Commies?

[Banditbandit]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-svZY1eIyXD4/UDoGMP2yCPI/AAAAAAAACPc/1QoA4QxGV8Q/s1600/a-inspirational-demotivational-posters-1.jpg

[Banditbandit]

The Russians were Commies?

Naaa .. only pretend ones ...

[Paul in NZ]

The Russians were Commies?

Well amongst the cannon fodder, erm sorry, committed sons of the revolution the Russian Orthodox Church is still pretty popular.. And Stalin pretty well had a god thing goin on...

[Tigadee]

And Stalin pretty well had a god thing goin on...

:yes: Him and a few others - Hitler, Mussolini, Hirohito, Mao...

[Road kill]

I'm not the one who brought race into this discussion, so why did you feel the need to do so, and then have the nerve to call me racist? This is nothing to do with race. It's all about religion.

So your not racist then,,,so fucking sorry.

BTW,,,had you fucked for a real answer didn't I you little blow in cunt.

[mashman]

Tis the season... seems like the Chinese aren't too happy with the Japanese for buying a couple of islands... so much so that Japanese stores in China have shut down because their places where being smashed up. People walking through the streets smashing Japanese cars etc... and not a Muslim in sight. Must be the season.

[SMOKEU]

So your not racist then,,,so fucking sorry.

BTW,,,had you fucked for a real answer didn't I you little blow in cunt.

If you want to insult me then at least try to use proper punctuation and grammar, as I really can't be fucked trying to decipher your meaningless drivel.

[Marmoot]

Um no not really not by rioting and threatening to chop folks heads off. They're exercising criminal acts. Different than free speech.


I'd be more than happy to fill you full of hot lead poisoning.

............. :wacko:

[The End]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/02/french-magazine-bomb-muhammad-cartoon


The offices of the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo have been burned out in a petrol-bomb attack after a special Arab spring edition entitled "Sharia Hebdo" featured a cartoon of the prophet Muhammad on the cover as "guest editor".

[Hinny]

Actually that is a close call between present-day North Korea and recent Cambodia.

According to whom?

[Hinny]

And they were all told God was on their side......


One cited reason for banning Marijuana in the US was that it induced 'Chronic Passivity'.
Clearly there has come a time to enact the obvious solution to the problem.
Legalise drugs and ban religion.

[Tigadee]

One cited reason for banning Marijuana in the US was that it induced 'Chronic Passivity'.

Who's to say the Muslims may have been secretly funding the expansion of the marijuana trade in the western countries? It would explain Bush's state of mind, and his deep friendship with the Saudi Royals...

[scissorhands]

Now thats just silly talk, you get killed for smoking joints in Malaysia, Saudi....
George is normally dumb like that cause his dad was an alcoholic

Blame the Dutch

[Tigadee]

LOL I think the Dutch have their own hands full with their Muslim community too...

[jasonu]

Fitz nails it as usual:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/an-open-letter-20120915-25ziq.html

But who are these stupid cunts shouting at and what the hell did they think this action would prove other than they are a bunch of dickheads.

[george formby]

One cited reason for banning Marijuana in the US was that it induced 'Chronic Passivity'.
Clearly there has come a time to enact the obvious solution to the problem.
Legalise drugs and ban religion.

I read it was banned mainly because of lobbying from the all powerful cotton barons when they reached the point of mechanising their farms & no longer needed stoned, passive "labourers". Wiped out the hemp industry overnight & made them gazillions.

I certainly would like to see religion lose it's teeth. So much trouble for so little point.

[Road kill]

Now the Frogs are poking the snake:eek:

[scissorhands]

2012 hasn't finished yet....maybe someone should slag off the Mayans

[ellipsis]

...Hitler! He only had one ball.
Rommel, had two, but very small,
Himmler, had something similar,
But poor old Goebbels ...

[scumdog]

...Hitler! He only had one ball.
Rommel, had two, but very small,
Himmler, had something similar,
But poor old Goebbels ...

Had dough-balls with Paul?

[ellipsis]

...maybe...

[RDJ]

According to whom?

I suppose you are refrring to the facts that we can't ask the starved North Koreans and the butchered Cambodians what they think of your argument...

[Big Dave]

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[scissorhands]

Hitler hes only got one ball.......
.....maybe...


I feel so naked now

[Mort]

Sounds about right to me....


http://youtu.be/GCXHPKhRCVg

[300weatherby]

The only good islamist, is a dead islamist. If it were within my power I would nuke them at home. Man woman and child, big white flash, and the world is a safer place.

Yes the fall out would be a problem, but the time is rapidly approaching when their numbers and power must be curbed so that those in our midst do not have support to attack us at home, in our churches, malls, schools.

The only good islamist is a dead one.

There is going to come a time when one of those fuckwit islamists is going to have access to, and the ability to deliver, a nuclear weapon of their own, weather as a missile or more likely, a "dirty bomb" and it will get used. It will happen if they are not elimenated.

Go Israel, deal to Iran while there is still time to do it.

[mashman]

drivel

:killingme :yawn:

[SMOKEU]

We need to remember that you can take the monkey out of the wild, but you can't take the wild out of the monkey.

[Nova.]

The only good islamist, is a dead islamist. If it were within my power I would nuke them at home. Man woman and child, big white flash, and the world is a safer place.

Yes the fall out would be a problem, but the time is rapidly approaching when their numbers and power must be curbed so that those in our midst do not have support to attack us at home, in our churches, malls, schools.

The only good islamist is a dead one.

There is going to come a time when one of those fuckwit islamists is going to have access to, and the ability to deliver, a nuclear weapon of their own, weather as a missile or more likely, a "dirty bomb" and it will get used. It will happen if they are not elimenated.

Go Israel, deal to Iran while there is still time to do it.

whilst brutal, it is all too true.

[Madness]

We need to remember that you can take the monkey out of the wild, but you can't take the wild out of the monkey.

You can take the yarpie out of saffaland...

[Tigadee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wyRRtmKix0&feature=b-cat-activism

[Road kill]

You can take the yarpie out of saffaland...

I asked about that Yarpie thing once.

Seems their South Africas answer to Jaffa's.

Only worse.:niceone:

[Nova.]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/7718784/Pakistan-puts-bounty-on-film-makers-head

....... :facepalm:

[Banditbandit]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/7718784/Pakistan-puts-bounty-on-film-makers-head

....... :facepalm:

Yeah ... that was over the top ...

[Paul in NZ]

The problem is not Islam but radicals everywhere.

The fuckwits that produced the film are as mad / bad as the arseholes that are using it to burn buildings and destabilize governments.

Unfortunately the only way to get rid of these arses is to become a radical yourself... argh... This is why I hate thinking (and people)

[SpankMe]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/images/Quote by Stephen Fry.jpg

[unstuck]

Mr Fry

Spot on.:niceone:

Some people need to be offended.:headbang::headbang:

[MisterD]

Some people need to be offended.:headbang::headbang:

Handily, it seems to me that the more someone needs to be offended, the easier it is to do. ;)

[HenryDorsetCase]

The problem is not Islam but radicals everywhere.

The fuckwits that produced the film are as mad / bad as the arseholes that are using it to burn buildings and destabilize governments.

Unfortunately the only way to get rid of these arses is to become a radical yourself... argh... This is why I hate thinking (and people)

Dawkins in his book "THE GOD DELUSION" which I recommend to all makes a telling comparison between Islamic fundies, and christian fundies who are in te process of ruling Mrky. He calls it "The American Taliban" which I find hilarious.

You have of course misstated the problem. It is not really "radicals everywhere". It isnt even "Fundamentalism". It is religion and the sway that it holds.

So in my view, the kindly Anglican vicar up the road and the bomb strapped ten year old in the souk in Kandahar are the same. Both spewing the same control methodology and hatred of "others" as they define them, they subjugate women, and they want to take your stuff away (Density church anyone?), and both feeling in themselves they have the "right" to inflict their lopsided view of the world on you because of their "faith". Well, actually, no. The problem starts with the elevation of faith above reason: whatever else follows is a symptom of more or less severity.

I'll finish this rant with a quote from Christopher Hitchens: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

HTH

[MisterD]

I'll finish this rant with a quote from Christopher Hitchens: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

That and something along the lines of "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" which I think was Mr Voltaire (not the KB'er)

[oldrider]

I'll finish this rant with a quote from Christopher Hitchens: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

HTH

Could not the same be said of "belief" - What can be asserted by belief with perceived evidence cannot be dismissed without perceived evidence? :shifty:

Every mans perception is every mans reality, Vive La Difference!

Freedom of choice and freedom of the individual is not a problem until one or the other tries to impose their will upon another - willingly received or not!

If I want to be a God botherer or not it is my own business and has nothing to do with anyone else - keep it that way - no problem! :sunny:

[unstuck]

Could not the same be said of "belief" - What can be asserted by belief with perceived evidence cannot be dismissed without perceived evidence? :shifty:

Every mans perception is every mans reality, Vive La Difference!

Freedom of choice and freedom of the individual is not a problem until one or the other tries to impose their will upon another - willingly received or not!

If I want to be a God botherer or not it is my own business and has nothing to do with anyone else - keep it that way - no problem! :sunny:

Bloody well said, You nailed it perfectly.:niceone:

[Mushu]

Could not the same be said of "belief" - What can be asserted by belief with perceived evidence cannot be dismissed without perceived evidence? :shifty:

Every mans perception is every mans reality, Vive La Difference!

Freedom of choice and freedom of the individual is not a problem until one or the other tries to impose their will upon another - willingly received or not!

If I want to be a God botherer or not it is my own business and has nothing to do with anyone else - keep it that way - no problem! :sunny:
Please define 'perceived evidence' if you are talking about something you think you saw or heard then maybe you should be looking up the definition of evidence. Human perception is well known to be fallible, ask one of the cops that frequent these forums about witness testamony, or there is the well known mirage phenomenon.

Religion in all its forms is one of the most evil forces on the planet and agnostics, atheists and antitheists should be far more vocal.

[mashman]

Bloody well said, You nailed it perfectly.:niceone:

Wot ee said.

[mashman]

Please define 'perceived evidence' if you are talking about something you think you saw or heard then maybe you should be looking up the definition of evidence. Human perception is well known to be fallible, ask one of the cops that frequent these forums about witness testamony, or there is the well known mirage phenomenon.

Religion in all its forms is one of the most evil forces on the planet and agnostics, atheists and antitheists should be far more vocal.

:corn: and a char or two

[oldrider]

Please define 'perceived evidence' if you are talking about something you think you saw or heard then maybe you should be looking up the definition of evidence. Human perception is well known to be fallible, ask one of the cops that frequent these forums about witness testamony, or there is the well known mirage phenomenon.

Religion in all its forms is one of the most evil forces on the planet and agnostics, atheists and antitheists should be far more vocal.

Fair enough that's your perception and if you keep it to yourself - it wont become a problem! :sunny:

[Mushu]

Fair enough that's your perception and if you keep it to yourself - it wont become a problem! :sunny:
Not perception, evidence exists showing that relying on perception is not a good idea. Thus I rely on evidence so that I can make predictions that are testable and useful in the real world.

And I'm not keeping my ideas to myself, it's the crazier party (or those that go to the greatest lengths to assert their opinions/ beliefs) that usually prevail in a confrontation. Mostly atheists try to not offend the religious and because of this they don't often get their point heard. I am willing to offend absolutely anyone, just because you are offended by a statement doesn't make it false.

[unstuck]

and because of this they don't often get their point heard.

Needing to get your point heard is so last century.:msn-wink:
If you feel you have something to prove, then you are setting yourself up to be offended.:Punk::Punk:

[pete376403]

Could not the same be said of "belief" - What can be asserted by belief with perceived evidence cannot be dismissed without perceived evidence? :shifty:

Every mans perception is every mans reality, Vive La Difference!

Freedom of choice and freedom of the individual is not a problem until one or the other tries to impose their will upon another - willingly received or not!

If I want to be a God botherer or not it is my own business and has nothing to do with anyone else - keep it that way - no problem! :sunny:

But being a god botherer means you must be trying to impose your belief on someone else - ie no longer just your business, you are trying to make it their business as well

[Virago]

...If I want to be a God botherer or not it is my own business and has nothing to do with anyone else - keep it that way - no problem! :sunny:


But being a god botherer means you must be trying to impose your belief on someone else - ie no longer just your business, you are trying to make it their business as well

Yup.

Few people would deny the various god-botherers their right to their beliefs. Unfortunately it's not a reciprocal arrangement.

Most of their so-called "scriptures" require them to actively convert others to their beliefs. Methods range from door-knock badgering, to the mass slaughter of infidels.

So yes, being a god-botherer is everyone else's business. The god-botherer makes it so.

[Mushu]

Yup.

Few people would deny the various god-botherers their right to their beliefs. Unfortunately it's not a reciprocal arrangement.

Most of their so-called "scriptures" require them to actively convert others to their beliefs. Methods range from door-knock badgering, to the mass slaughter of infidels.

So yes, being a god-botherer is everyone else's business. The god-botherer makes it so.
Exactly, and they manage to convert quite a few, even the more obviously fake religions like the mormons that's why athiests should be more vocal and more aggressive and stop trying to avoid offending these idiots, imagine the tax breaks we can all take if they start taxing the churches not to mention the amount of sway the major religions hold over the more influential countries, especially the USA, where you can't even hold office in most states as an athiest.

I think it was Christopher Hitchens that said something like "You have the right to be offended, you do not have the right not to be offended" Plenty of the things these retards say offend me like all the times they've told me I'm going to hell for my beliefs or when Muslims get away with statements like "Behead all those that offend Muhammad" Somehow they can get away with it but when I speak my mind I have often gotten into some strife for it.

[oldrider]

when I speak my mind I have often gotten into some strife for it.

:eek: Have another look then - you might be the man in the mirror! :blip:

[Akzle]

:eek: Have another look then - you might be the man in the mirror! :blip:

jeez jon, were you blazing at the bong of enlightenment last night?

[unstuck]

But being a god botherer means you must be trying to impose your belief on someone else - ie no longer just your business, you are trying to make it their business as well

Not necessarily, I have met some religious people who have never talked about their beliefs, just lived them.
There is a world of difference.

The ones that believe there is only one way, and one god, and everyone else is wrong or spout a whole heap of verbal diarrhea, but in no way live any of what they preach Are the ones that need to be offended the most. And anyone who tells me that they know the mind of god and have all the answers and spend way too much time defending themselves and their beliefs, is just a joke and not to be taken seriously.:devil2:

[MisterD]

But being a god botherer means you must be trying to impose your belief on someone else

Not neccessarily. Sikhs don't believe in converting people and believe that all religions are equal and capable of enlightening their followers.

[pete376403]

I read god botherer = someone who attempts to convert others, ie JWs, Mormons, ISIL, etc. The quiet ones, Sikhs, etc are not bothering other people so not god-botherers

[HenryDorsetCase]

Not neccessarily. Sikhs don't believe in converting people and believe that all religions are equal and capable of enlightening their followers.

Sikh culture is pretty cool too. In terms of the whole "We like to live quietly but do not fuck with us" thing. Plus ceremonial daggers. Also beards and turbans are pretty cool.

[Mushu]

:eek: Have another look then - you might be the man in the mirror! :blip:
Rereading my post I can see how it looks like I'm upset by the strife I tend to get into because of my beliefs, if that were the case I would just keep my mouth shut or lie and say I belive in the invisible man in the sky. To be offensive is often the goal, and the result is in most cases obvious from the outset.

The part that worries me is that while I do have problems resulting from what is essentially pointing out flaws in a fictional character the other side of the debate make threats ranging from eternal torture to real world threats of violence, torture and murder and seem to get away with it completely for the most part.

[scumdog]

Not necessarily, I have met some religious people who have never talked about their beliefs, just lived them.
There is a world of difference.

The ones that believe there is only one way, and one god, and everyone else is wrong or spout a whole heap of verbal diarrhea, but in no way live any of what they preach Are the ones that need to be offended the most. And anyone who tells me that they know the mind of god and have all the answers and spend way too much time defending themselves and their beliefs, is just a joke and not to be taken seriously.:devil2:

'Must spread rep'

For that post I'll take back the hippy comment!:rofl::whistle:

[unstuck]

See not even the old buggers in Genesis were interested in pigs. :oi-grr:
Genesis 15:9New International Version (NIV)

9 So the Lord said to him, “Bring me a heifer, a goat and a ram, each three years old, along with a dove and a young pigeon.” :innocent::Punk::Punk:

[MisterD]

Also beards and turbans are pretty cool.

A long as a) you're not white and b) you can grow a decent beard...otherwise you'll end up looking that Nachos bloke that used to be a Green MP.

[Mushu]

I do find it quite amusing that they all pray to the same diety, the individual beliefs seem to be based on how many times that diety found it necessary to revise and update his book. If he were all knowing and all powerful as claimed why would he need to revise it at all.

Also the fact that each person within each religion seem to have their own take on the lore, what it means and beliefs outside of the Bible and the Scriptures can be amusing. Aliens, ghosts and the weirdness in nature in particular can make for very interesting conversations with 'believers'.

[unstuck]

A belief is just a thought you keep thinking. :bleh:

[Banditbandit]

I read god botherer = someone who attempts to convert others, ie JWs, Mormons, ISIL, etc. The quiet ones, Sikhs, etc are not bothering other people so not god-botherers

But hang on .. the term "God Botherer" speaks for itself ... A God Botherer is a person who bothers God ... so Sikhs are definitely that ..

The people who attempt to convert others are pains in the arse ... as very different thing ..

[mashman]

Je suis Palestinian.

[Woodman]

Buddhists, never had an issue with a Buddhist, I like Buddhists.:niceone:

[Waihou Thumper]

Listening to this reporter, famous bloke from 'The Scotsman'
He said it cannot be called Blasphemy if you do not subscribe to that religion, much in the same way
Muslims could make fun of the Pope.
Is THAT Blasphemy?

Interesting :)

[Mushu]

Buddhists, never had an issue with a Buddhist, I like Buddhists.:niceone:

I must admit Buddhism seems okay on the surface of it. I would like to know more about the religion but don't have the motivation to go looking for the info.

As long as they aren't trying to push their beliefs on others it's fine by me, and the only insane stunts I'm aware of them pulling (at least in recent history) is lighting themselves on fire which, to me, only made for an interesting cover on a certain Rage Against the Machine album in my collection. And kung fu is very cool to watch.

[Waihou Thumper]

I must admit Buddhism seems okay on the surface of it. I would like to know more about the religion but don't have the motivation to go looking for the info.

As long as they aren't trying to push their beliefs on others it's fine by me, and the only insane stunts I'm aware of them pulling (at least in recent history) is lighting themselves on fire which, to me, only made for an interesting cover on a certain Rage Against the Machine album in my collection. And kung fu is very cool to watch.

Walking the Himalayas, you get the insight, and believe me, it is bloody fantastic!
Lots of Buddhist monasteries.....oh, and pictures please or it never happened. :)

[unstuck]

.oh, and pictures please or it never happened. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c

http://musiconvinyl.com/filemanager/images/Rage_Against_The_Machine_-_Same.jpg

[Waihou Thumper]

Self immolation, what a way to go!

Never felt it....
I saw a documentary with a Buddhist monk dead in bed and he was fresh as a daisy, no decomposition, no Rigor, nothing...
It looked like he was asleep. Skin was supple, no smell etc etc...
Pretty unbelievable.

Meditation to the high almighty?

[unstuck]

Self immolation, what a way to go!




Bit extreme in my opinion, but I guess it served it's purpose.
There are fanatics and misguided and delusional people in all religions, organizations, groups.
But the Buddhists seem to have some fairly logical beliefs.:niceone:

[Madness]

There are fanatics and misguided and delusional people in all religions, organizations, groups.

Please don't turn this into another Ed Thread.

[Woodman]

Pretty amazing control of the mind.


"I was too shocked to cry, too confused to take notes or ask questions, too bewildered to even think ... As he burned he never moved a muscle, never uttered a sound, his outward composure in sharp contrast to the wailing people around"

[HenryDorsetCase]

Dumb fucker. What a dumb fucker. What do you have if you kill yourself? because there is no afterlife or any of that bullshit and you have just killed yourself for no reason. Stupidest thing ever and I hope he didnt breed and pass his stupid genes on to another generation.

When I rule you all (and I will) the criteria for obtaining a breeding licence will be strict.

Also I happened to be listening to this clip while reading this.

yyNv8kvd2H8

have a happy day everyone.

[Mushu]

Dumb fucker. What a dumb fucker. What do you have if you kill yourself? because there is no afterlife or any of that bullshit and you have just killed yourself for no reason. Stupidest thing ever and I hope he didnt breed and pass his stupid genes on to another generation.

When I rule you all (and I will) the criteria for obtaining a breeding licence will be strict.

Also I happened to be listening to this clip while reading this.

[Video removed]

have a happy day everyone.
Pretty sure in most cases it's done as a protest not as a religious thing it just seems that the Buddhists seem to be the only ones that have the self control to do it while not showing a reaction, they are not the only ones to do it.

It is quite an effective way to gain notice of whatever you are trying to protest. Whether it'sever justified is probably a matter of opinion, I know I would never consider it. As I stated earlier it does make for a cool picture.

[Akzle]

Meditation to the high almighty?



you should try it some time. enlightenment is delicious.

i can taste the air...

[mashman]

Pretty sure in most cases it's done as a protest not as a religious thing it just seems that the Buddhists seem to be the only ones that have the self control to do it while not showing a reaction, they are not the only ones to do it.

It is quite an effective way to gain notice of whatever you are trying to protest. Whether it'sever justified is probably a matter of opinion, I know I would never consider it. As I stated earlier it does make for a cool picture.

True. A similar act by a frustrated street vendor was enough to kick off the Arab Spring.

[oldrider]

http://musiconvinyl.com/filemanager/images/Rage_Against_The_Machine_-_Same.jpg

The most passionate discussion caused by that pic is what was the model car in the background? - Was it an Austin A95 Westminster in the back ground?

My wife and I met on a blind date Christmas eve in 1995 and the car we went out in was an Austin A95 Countryman station wagon red over white!

So as you can see these religious postings really are a source of "lively" discourse and debate!

The Monk in the foreground believed and insisted that it was a Morris Oxford!

These hateful disagreements (and drastic consequences) however can be avoided if we simply "keep it all to ourselves"! :shutup:

[PrincessBandit]

A long as a) you're not white and b) you can grow a decent beard...

:shit: How a) racist and b) sexist of you!

[Akzle]

:shit: How a) racist and b) sexist of you!

you dont hang out with indian women then...

[MisterD]

:shit: How a) racist and b) sexist of you!

Did I fail to get my structuralist identity politics right again? Oh woe!

...hey wait, it's not racist because I was bagging whiteys, which is never racism and even if it was, I'm a honky so it's ok.

[unstuck]

The most passionate discussion caused by that pic is what was the model car in the background? - Was it an Austin A95 Westminster in the back ground?



Because of the location, I am going with a Hindustan Ambassador.:confused:

[scumdog]

Dumb fucker. What a dumb fucker. What do you have if you kill yourself? because there is no afterlife or any of that bullshit and you have just killed yourself for no reason.



Exactly!:niceone::clap::clap:

[PrincessBandit]

you dont hang out with indian women then...

Actually come to think of it, some of the darker skinned girls I've seen even at school are quite facially hirsute. But I haven't seen any white ones which are, except for those of use who are getting older and starting to get our "old lady moustache"!!!

[HenryDorsetCase]

My wife and I met on a blind date Christmas eve in 1995

congratulations.

But I am with Unstuck: Hindustan Ambassador.

[MisterD]

But I am with Unstuck: Hindustan Ambassador.

It's an Austin Westminster, it was the car the monk arrived in and is on display at some pagoda or other still. The Ambassador is based on the Morris Oxford.

[Banditbandit]

It's an Austin Westminster, it was the car the monk arrived in and is on display at some pagoda or other still. The Ambassador is based on the Morris Oxford.

Here's the pic ,,,

<img src="http://www.musiconvinyl.com/filemanager/images/Rage_Against_The_Machine_-_Same.jpg" width="400px"/>


here's an Austin Westminster


<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Austin_A95_Westminster_rear.jpg" width="400px"/>

Here's a Morris Ambassador


<img src="http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/post-war/515158-landmaster-ambassador-picture-gallery-morris-oxford-series-2.jpg" width="400px"/>

Austin used the strip down the side with the little dropped tail as a separate colour ... the Ambassador uses the same pattern, but it is used at the junction between the two colours

It's an Austin the the pic ..

[awa355]

...because there is no afterlife or any of that bullshit and you have just killed yourself for no reason. .

Right now, he probably knows, better than you and I about any afterlife. :crazy: