I thought Auckland was a "bike friendly city"

[KIPS powervalve]

Ok, so out on a friday night I park my bike in a Tournament building in Newmarket (corner of York St), in a corner with no yellow in sight, no signs, I even rocked up next to another bike in the same corner.

A week later they send me a notice in the mail of a $65 fine for not Pay and Displaying. How the f*%k are you supposed to pay and display on a bike?

They said $25 of the fine is "liquidable damages", what I take to be lost revenue for taking up a space that a paying customer could use. Hello? I wasn't even in a parking spot and definitely not in anyone's way!

Anyone have any genuine advice, or comments?

[Swoop]

Tournament building...

You have already identified the problem.
Bike friendly, they are not. The $ is king.

[KIPS powervalve]

So where does that leave me? $65 out of purse I guess

[bogan]

Not sure on the legislation for parking on private parking spaces, you'd probably get away with claiming ignorance if it was roadside though.

[Tigadee]

Ok, so out on a friday night I park my bike in a Tournament building in Newmarket (corner of York St), in a corner with no yellow in sight, no signs, I even rocked up next to another bike in the same corner.

A week later they send me a notice in the mail of a $65 fine for not Pay and Displaying. How the f*%k are you supposed to pay and display on a bike?

They said $25 of the fine is "liquidable damages", what I take to be lost revenue for taking up a space that a paying customer could use. Hello? I wasn't even in a parking spot and definitely not in anyone's way!

That is such a stupid fine... If you want to contest it, take photos of the spot and area as proof that you were not obstructing any vehicles or taking up a parking spot. Take photos of other motorcycles doing the same thing, perhaps even in other venues.

[GSF]

Yeah, Tournament can be arseholes.
Plus, their first objective is to make as much profit as possible, I doubt that providing bikers with free parking on their own property is really on the radar.

Some parking lots provide free bike parks, some don't (they tell you to get a ticket and attach it to a handlebar with a rubber band or something). I guess you just picked the wrong one. If you hadn't paid or had a ticket I don't think there's much you can do other than suck it up and move on.

I got a $40 ticket for parking on the footpath a while ago (on a bloody big wide one, the claim of "obstruction" was pretty bullshit in my mind) but I just paid it - when you think about it it's a small price compared to all the parking costs you've avoided in the past by riding a motorbike :)

[KIPS powervalve]

Yeah, Tournament can be arseholes.
I got a $40 ticket for parking on the footpath a while ago (on a bloody big wide one, the claim of "obstruction" was pretty bullshit in my mind) but I just paid it - when you think about it it's a small price compared to all the parking costs you've avoided in the past by riding a motorbike :)

Good point.
Thing that really gets me is that Wilson at AUT (where I study) gives free parking to bikes, as does the one by the Art Gallery. Why don't they standardise it? In fact, I thought they had already, and that bikes had free parking all over Auckland. Apparently not.

[GSF]

Good point.
Thing that really gets me is that Wilson at AUT (where I study) gives free parking to bikes, as does the one by the Art Gallery. Why don't they standardise it? In fact, I thought they had already, and that bikes had free parking all over Auckland. Apparently not.

Yeah it's pretty lame. It does vary from operator to operator and it can even vary from location to location run by the same people. That's why I try to avoid car parks if possible, when you're dealing with a privately run car park and you have not adhered to their fine print I guess you're boned really.

I usually park on footpaths and tuck my bike out of the way, in three years of riding around Auckland I have only been fined once and that was on K' Road, which has a fair number of parking wardens patrolling during the day.

[Gremlin]

Search Tournament on KB, been a thread about them recently...

[iYRe]

I got a ticket just the same as that. Simple solution... jsut dont park any vehicle in a tournament car park..

[Akzle]

well. 1) you're an aucklander and 2) you ride a hyobag. both of these things make me more inclined to chew my toenails than help. but help i will:

option one: grow some big ones, send their shit back to them with a leter saying "you have no legal jurisdiction, prove it or go fuck yourself"

option two: burn the building down

option three: learn, pay your pennance and don't park there again.

option four: charge them in court with false representation, misuse of a document for pecuniary advantage, whatever, ask them to present the "injured" (damaged) party (they can't), laugh all the way home. then send them a bill for acting as a lawyer, to the tune of 600$ an hour.

you're welcome.

[KIPS powervalve]

I got a ticket just the same as that. Simple solution... jsut dont park any vehicle in a tournament car park..

Yeah, I figure that much now, Just a shame it cost $65 to learn that lesson. To all you other punters out there, learn from MY lesson, its cheaper to learn from others' mistakes :hitcher:

[Ragingrob]

Write in saying that you did pay and display but some bastard must have taken your ticket, seeing as you couldn't put it inside your vehicle or anything... Though then they may catch on and create sticker p&d tickets and that would suck.

[Lozza2442]

Write in saying that you did pay and display but some bastard must have taken your ticket, seeing as you couldn't put it inside your vehicle or anything... Though then they may catch on and create sticker p&d tickets and that would suck.

Was thinking about doing this, as I just got one too... :(
You reckon the bastards would go over the footage to see if you did?
I'd be happy to pay for the 3 hours I was there or earlybird. I just don't feel like paying the full $65

[Bassmatt]

Search Tournament on KB, been a thread about them recently...

This...and iirc someone who "knew" (not cocokmysock etc) claimed that those tickets were unenforceable.

[Akzle]

... claimed that those tickets were unenforceable.

everything is unenforceable when you have the biggest penis/gun.

shame you can't hide from karma though...

[Marmoot]

Auckland is bike friendly. Even the parking wardens are quite reasonable at times and let you park on the footpath if you ask them nicely.
And all council-owned carpark buildings provide well-lit bike-only areas.

The crooks that run Tournament and Wilson carparks aren't, though. Maybe they aren't Aucklanders. Aren't they Aussies?

[KIPS powervalve]

Was thinking about doing this, as I just got one too... :(
You reckon the bastards would go over the footage to see if you did?
I'd be happy to pay for the 3 hours I was there or earlybird. I just don't feel like paying the full $65

I reckon this [footage] is the only way they caught me. There was no noticed stuck on my bike, even though the letter in the post said there was. $25 of the 65 bucks is the fact that I reduced the ability of Tournament to make money (by 'stealing' a spot) – which I did not. I will dispute it but I'm not too sure how...Disputes tribunal? or their own process (which they probably don't even read anyway).:dodge:

[caseye]

Write in.
Explain you thought all car park buildings in Dorkland were free for bikes to park in.
Offer to pay their ticket for being there.
Don't pay the $25.00
Tell em to go jump for that part or prove that you had taken an actual car park.
Never go to tournament ever again, bike, car or tank, unless of course the tank has a useable smooth bore cannon on it.
In which case please Do advise us here on Kb in good time for organising the grand stand.

[Tigadee]

In which case please Do advise us here on Kb in good time for organising the grand stand.

...and so we can prepare plenty of :corn: too!

[Bassmatt]

"Landowners have no legal basis for charging you a fine or penalty. Neither tort nor contract law allows them to punish you for breaking contractual terms or trespassing.
Landowners can only claim from you the expenses they reasonably incurred as a result of your contractual breach or trespass"

Its all here;
http://www.consumeraffairs.govt.nz/for-consumers/services/carpark-fines-towing-and-clamping#unreasonable

[FuriousD]

I don't understand why you didn't just park in the two designated parking spots on the road (one right around the corner on osbourne st) or in the 277 car park that has free mc parking....

[@ndy]

Auckland is bike friendly....only push-bike friendly :lol:

[SPman]

Was thinking about doing this, as I just got one too... :(
You reckon the bastards would go over the footage to see if you did?
I'd be happy to pay for the 3 hours I was there or earlybird. I just don't feel like paying the full $65
I assumed the liquidated damages was for parking too long in a spot, where, if you left earlier, they could sting another biker who could have "illegally" parked there......?

[p.dath]

Ok, so out on a friday night I park my bike in a Tournament building in Newmarket (corner of York St), in a corner with no yellow in sight, no signs, I even rocked up next to another bike in the same corner ...

What I do is put the pay and display ticket under the clip of my fuel lid. And I use a full car park up - I'm paying for it. Never had an issue.

Remember, in most cases you are using someone else's private property. The owner sells the user of their property the right to park their vehicle their. It makes absolutely no sense to a private investor to give one class of vehicle free rights.


Not sure on the legislation for parking on private parking spaces, you'd probably get away with claiming ignorance if it was roadside though.

What they do is note your number plate in their database. If you don't pay, and they ever find your vehicle in one of their managed car parks anywhere it's an instant wheel clamp.