Searching the touring bikes

[mossy1200]

Just looking for a new bike.
Looking for the perfect 2 up sports touring bike.
Going to be buying a house so this is last chance to buy a bike to keep for 5 years so needs to be a good one.
Interested in new not second hand

List so far after searching online for reviews.

BMW K1300s well in front. 30k approx so is up on price. Would rather spend less but sports touring selection is hard.

ZX14r. Something says great bike but I want it for 5 years.

Kawasaki Contours 1400. The 300kg weight is a issue as it seems to be to far away from sports for me but I do like the look of them.

VFR1200. Good reviews but im not crazy on the looks.

Busa. Never been into them or even riden one so im not sure.


Maybe theres more options but im after ample seats and fairings. Also optional hard luggage.
Any advice from those who have late model sports touring bikes that arnt full touring bikes.
does anyone know someone that has a BMWK1300s

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=516387466 This is my trade if any shop sales guys spot the thread.

[Rhys]

I would look at blackbirds (cbr1100xx)

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=514185834

[mossy1200]

I would look at blackbirds (cbr1000xx)

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=514185834

I owned one 6 or seven bikes ago and found it ok at most things but idd rather put more money in on something with newer techno gadgets.
i have a budget of up to 35 but like to stay on or under 30 so I can put 5k away for a rainy buy a motard day after the wifes $*&ole loosens up again.

I wasnt aware they still made them.

[Blackbird]

I would look at blackbirds (cbr1000xx)

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=514185834

Had mine for 8 years and they're unburstable. You need to spend about $2000 extra to make it perfect with upgraded suspension and a more comfortable seat. The motors last for over 300,000 km with only a cam chain tensioner change now and then.

[mossy1200]

Had mine for 8 years and they're unburstable. You need to spend about $2000 extra to make it perfect with upgraded suspension and a more comfortable seat. The motors last for over 300,000 km with only a cam chain tensioner change now and then.

Agree with suspension as I wore the fairings away. Im after a higher value bike to keep me happy for 5 years and the cbr is a older design now. The blackbird for some reason was a back killer when riding 2 up for me also. 3 days into a tour I could barely walk. it may have been I strained it doing other things or even a motel bed and riding kept it bad the whole trip.

[Gremlin]

BMW currently have factory rebates running, you're looking at $3k off on a K1300S currently. I'd reckon these rebates make the bikes excellent value, BMW has a lot of experience in the gadget section, so you're getting good ABS, ASC etc. I'm biased as I own a BMW I guess.

Haven't ridden any you're looking at, the K1300S is certainly a monster of a bike, wicked fast etc. To throw a spanner in the works, if you've considered a Concours, what about an R1200RT? K1300S/ZX14R are definitely more sports, Concours/R1200RT are more tourers, but would be better suited to 2up touring etc. Still not full dressed as such, like the K1600GT, but then again, it depends what sort of riding you're going to do, and a good rider will make most of them corner well. Some would also recommend the FJR1300.

Equally, plenty go for an R1200GS, finding it plenty suitable for touring, more versatile and more upright. Even heard recently someone bought the R1200GSA for touring as they liked the large range.

The VFR1200R, been expensive and not selling well, but means you can pick them up for a bargain, even brand new. Heard from one owner there are problems with the fuel gauge, but Honda is saying no problem. New bikes would come with a 2 year warranty I'd expect, if you're looking to own for 5+ years then something proven would be my pick, ie, boxer motor is well refined. Depends if you like the power delivery etc.

Ultimately, while a cop out, you have to go ride them, see if the ergonomics work for you. Is the seat the right height, comfortable, also take it out 2up, as you want her to be comfortable. Make a list of essentials you want to have, then likes, see what matches and if you like the ride.

[mossy1200]

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BMW currently have factory rebates running, you're looking at $3k off on a K1300S currently. I'd reckon these rebates make the bikes excellent value, BMW has a lot of experience in the gadget section, so you're getting good ABS, ASC etc. I'm biased as I own a BMW I guess.

Haven't ridden any you're looking at, the K1300S is certainly a monster of a bike, wicked fast etc. To throw a spanner in the works, if you've considered a Concours, what about an R1200RT? .......................take it out 2up, as you want her to be comfortable. Make a list of essentials you want to have, then likes, see what matches and if you like the ride.



Thanks Grem. We had a BMWr1200s but sold it to fund racing and it was the most missed bike. Even though it didnt look like a 2 up bike it was the one the wife liked the most even over zx12 and blackbird for comfort.

Im lucky at the moment that there is a second hand k1300s at the shop that I can take for a ride with the wife to trial. Only issue is its white and Im not into that colour but I can ride it and order a new one if needed. Ill trial a rt also. They may be just a fraction to much tour without the sport but ill give one a go.

[Hitcher]

There is only one "perfect" sports touring bike. It's made by Yamaha. It is the FJR1300. Nothing else comes close in performance terms. The engine is a peach that goes like a cut cat on a hot tin roof, if you want. Brakes are just magic. Standard suspension is better than average.

They have the best luggage system in this class in terms of functionality and space. The pillion quarters are best of breed. The fuel efficiency is mind numbing -- 18+ km per litre, fully laden and two up.

I have just spent two weeks in Australia on one clocking up 4,500km and reacquainting myself with a bike model I previously owned and loved.

[allycatz]

We loved the Busa and regret selling it but have had two (one is current bike) GSX 1400's and are great two up. Very comfy, pillion not too high and plenty of room for both of us. Good size tank. My partner had only ever owned new bikes before but this was a great purchase $8k and only 7000km on clock

[Big Dave]

I've tested everything mentioned so far.

Connie 1400 would be my choice of that lot for touring on.

[Edbear]

I've tested everything mentioned so far.

Connie 1400 would be my choice of that lot for touring on.

My only concern with the big bikes is that they are really comfy and relaxed cruising at 160km/h+.

My C50T was relaxing and comfy at 100km/h+...

[mossy1200]

There is only one "perfect" sports touring bike. It's made by Yamaha. It is the FJR1300. Nothing else comes close in performance terms. The engine is a peach that goes like a cut cat on a hot tin roof, if you want. Brakes are just magic. Standard suspension is better than average.

They have the best luggage system in this class in terms of functionality and space. The pillion quarters are best of breed. The fuel efficiency is mind numbing -- 18+ km per litre, fully laden and two up.

I have just spent two weeks in Australia on one clocking up 4,500km and reacquainting myself with a bike model I previously owned and loved.


I see they are at 23k, down from almost 30k so ill add to the list and see if I can get on a demo.

[mossy1200]

My only concern with the big bikes is that they are really comfy and relaxed cruising at 160km/h+.

My C50T was relaxing and comfy at 100km/h+...


Have had a big cruiser and its not for me. After good seats and wind protection plus the ability to scratch ride. Want a bike thats semi sports but with a good serving of back seat comfort also. My arms are long enough to ride a S/T at a hundred odd without being tiring.

[Edbear]

Have had a big cruiser and its not for me. After good seats and wind protection plus the ability to scratch ride. Want a bike thats semi sports but with a good serving of back seat comfort also. My arms are long enough to ride a S/T at a hundred odd without being tiring.

Yeah, finding something like the Connie at smaller sizes is not easy. Only one I can really think of is the old Honda PC800.

[mossy1200]

I've tested everything mentioned so far.

Connie 1400 would be my choice of that lot for touring on.

Yeah and i like the look but the 300kg wet seems a bit much to enjoy the sports aspect and seems very touring only. 27k seems expensive for the touring version of a zx14?? Maybe that price will drop soon.
At the price the fjr is running idd have change to get a motard play bike is a option but im not keen on 2 regos and 2 times insurance.

[mossy1200]

Yeah, finding something like the Connie at smaller sizes is not easy. Only one I can really think of is the old Honda PC800.

PC800 isnt my thing. Idd need a man bag and a boyfriend rather than wife?

[Edbear]

PC800 isnt my thing. Idd need a man bag and a boyfriend rather than wife?

The Valkyrie Tour was a great machine.

[Tryhard]

I would look at blackbirds (cbr1100xx)

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=514185834

Sure thing

[BMWST?]

Just looking for a new bike.
Looking for the perfect 2 up sports touring bike.
Going to be buying a house so this is last chance to buy a bike to keep for 5 years so needs to be a good one.
Interested in new not second hand

List so far after searching online for reviews.

BMW K1300s well in front. 30k approx so is up on price. Would rather spend less but sports touring selection is hard.

ZX14r. Something says great bike but I want it for 5 years.

Kawasaki Contours 1400. The 300kg weight is a issue as it seems to be to far away from sports for me but I do like the look of them.

VFR1200. Good reviews but im not crazy on the looks.

Busa. Never been into them or even riden one so im not sure.


Maybe theres more options but im after ample seats and fairings. Also optional hard luggage.
Any advice from those who have late model sports touring bikes that arnt full touring bikes.
does anyone know someone that has a BMWK1300s

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=516387466 This is my trade if any shop sales guys spot the thread.

motomart have a second hand k1200s and k1300s on the floor

[mossy1200]

motomart have a second hand k1200s and k1300s on the floor

Yes I have had a sit on the white K13. I like it but not in the white colour. Im taking the MT in for a trade valuation this weekend so ill see if I can take it for a ride.
To get a new one ill need pay a 2k deposit and get it bought into NZ with a 3 to 4 week wait. Im keen on the 2013 silver and black model which is 33600 plus 1800 extra features upgrade less 3k factory rebate. The rebate only runs to the end of this month but the expected next price list on the 2013 models is almost the same as the rebate price. This isnt confirmed yet.

[Big Dave]

Yeah and i like the look but the 300kg wet seems a bit much to enjoy the sports aspect and seems very touring only.

Nah. It'll keep up with anything on the road and do it easy. It only feels heavy when you are pushing it around the garage.

The BMW is very nice too.

[mossy1200]

Nah. It'll keep up with anything on the road and do it easy. It only feels heavy when you are pushing it around the garage.

The BMW is very nice too.

With the con at 27.5k and beemer at 32k would you think the bmw was worth the extra coin. im wondering if the beemer would hold greater than the extra 4k value when resold at 5 year old.

Resale later would suggest the con might return 50% but the bmw might return 60%.

Do yo think the bmw is a better bike by 4k or just apple and pears compared? The reason I ask is I don like the look of the con both with and without luggage, very much so in the dark blue.

[Ender EnZed]

You might want to add a Ducati Multistrada to the list to check out. Motomart has a demo available. (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-455203939.htm)

[Gremlin]

To compare fairly, you have to look at Concours v R1200RT and ZX14 vs K1300S.

Is the K equipped with ESA? Pros and cons, but it's another factor, then again, the Concours has come a long way since it's initial debut.

Ride them! :lol: Coz at the end of the day, you must enjoy it.

[mossy1200]

You might want to add a Ducati Multistrada to the list to check out. Motomart has a demo available. (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-455203939.htm)

Nice but not as suited to 2 up touring and scratching and not enough fairings for an aged Mossy. A number of years ago and with a wife that wasnt into distance rides I would.

[mossy1200]

To compare fairly, you have to look at Concours v R1200RT and ZX14 vs K1300S.

Is the K equipped with ESA? Pros and cons, but it's another factor, then again, the Concours has come a long way since it's initial debut.

Ride them! :lol: Coz at the end of the day, you must enjoy it.

The K has all the bells at base figure plus 1800 (quick shift esa etc)but the base bike isnt in stock in Australia so its fully optioned at 32k approx or HP version(carbon and akro pipe etc) at 40k.


The r1200rt im not into and the zx14r is in the picture but at 218hp its a little over the top but does have good seating and comfort. The K1300s would be closer to the zx14r. The extra weight of the con makes me think scratching ability when im one up is a little limited but saying that I ride 110clicks max and dont hit the Hill at speed. zx would be fun at the quarter miles though.

[Ocean1]

The K has all the bells at base figure plus 1800 (quick shift esa etc)but the base bike isnt in stock in Australia so its fully optioned at 32k approx or HP version(carbon and akro pipe etc) at 40k.


The r1200rt im not into and the zx14r is in the picture but at 218hp its a little over the top but does have good seating and comfort. The K1300s would be closer to the zx14r. The extra weight of the con makes me think scratching ability when im one up is a little limited but saying that I ride 110clicks max and dont hit the Hill at speed. zx would be fun at the quarter miles though.

From the selection so far I'd take the K1300S, very competent and smooth piece of kit.

But I think you should try that multistrada. Both of you.

[Ender EnZed]

Nice but not as suited to 2 up touring and scratching and not enough fairings for an aged Mossy. A number of years ago and with a wife that wasnt into distance rides I would.

Have you read the reviews on them? I haven't ridden one myself but they sound pretty well suited to what you're after, and at $27.5k you'd have a bit left in your budget for fine tuning.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/staff-test-motorcycles/staff-bike-blog-ducati-multistrada/feb0312-multistrada-what-a-year/

[mossy1200]

The multi isnt what we are after. Idd do a april hyper 1200 motard and a restored gsxr1100 or blackbird before the multi but im not riding enough one up to have 2 regos and insurance policies. The Multi is a bit exposed for the long trips. im having issues with the wind and cold on the MT01 hence the want to upgrade to full faing. We toured on the MT and although it was fun it was hard on the wife. The trailer was good but towing I guess makes my 260kg MT a concours and a bit all up.

[Gremlin]

The K has all the bells at base figure plus 1800 (quick shift esa etc)but the base bike isnt in stock in Australia so its fully optioned at 32k approx or HP version(carbon and akro pipe etc) at 40k.
Standard practise in NZ. In UK/US etc, you can have the option of spec'ing the bike exactly how you want it. Due to the size of the market, we simply get the top model, as the work they've done says that those in their market buying bikes don't go base model, and take bells and whistles. My insurance got caught out like that, so I had to lay out exactly how the value worked, as they initially tried to price against a $30k base GS, whereas the full optioned GSA is $40k (or was before these rebates).

Stuff like ABS/ESA/TPM etc has to be factory fitted, no chance of retro-fitting most of it. Stuff like carbon and akra are easy bolt ons vs programming of ECU, the extra buttons etc.

edit: Oh, one thing you definitely must consider, if buying new now, factor in stuff like ABS. It's becoming standard, so wouldn't want to be buying something without ABS (Blackbird etc).

[mossy1200]

Standard practise in NZ. In UK/US etc, you can have the option of spec'ing the bike exactly how you want it. Due to the size of the market, we simply get the top model, as the work they've done says that those in their market buying bikes don't go base model, and take bells and whistles. My insurance got caught out like that, so I had to lay out exactly how the value worked, as they initially tried to price against a $30k base GS, whereas the full optioned GSA is $40k (or was before these rebates).

Stuff like ABS/ESA/TPM etc has to be factory fitted, no chance of retro-fitting most of it. Stuff like carbon and akra are easy bolt ons vs programming of ECU, the extra buttons etc.

edit: Oh, one thing you definitely must consider, if buying new now, factor in stuff like ABS. It's becoming standard, so wouldn't want to be buying something without ABS (Blackbird etc).


Nothing against blackbirds but I have already owned one and your correct its now 1997 style bike with no development and doesnt suit a new bike buyer today unless on a budget under 17k. Im not sure blackbirds are even being sold new. I think vfr1200 that was overpriced and now reduced to 23k is hondas sport touring bike.
All the write ups suggest the vfr is the closest bike to the bmw and some suggest its more suited to scratching than the bmw for feedback etc. The build quality is ment to be as good but im not sure about the hondas looks. Its not the best looking bike to me.

[Big Dave]

apple and pears compared?

Yeah, somewhat - everyone has different circumstances so value judgements are an individual thing.

Physically the K1300S has a much more agressive (sporty) riding position and less bodywork. I didn't find it as comfy as the Connie - then there aren't many bikes I have found as comfy as it - but I am tall.

The FJR is pretty good comfort-wise too. It just didn't sing as loudly to me as the Kawa did.

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Blackbird I found plain uncomfortable. VFR1200 OTOH quite good. I really like that bike too. Fuel range is its achilles if you are planning lots of long rides. Fine for a day tripper.

[mossy1200]

Yeah, somewhat - everyone has different circumstances so value judgements are an individual thing.

Physically the K1300S has a much more agressive (sporty) riding position and less bodywork. I didn't find it as comfy as the Connie - then there aren't many bikes I have found as comfy as it - but I am tall.

The FJR is pretty good comfort-wise too. It just didn't sing as loudly to me as the Kawa did.

Blackbird I found plain uncomfortable. VFR1200 OTOH quite good. I really like that bike too. Fuel range is its achilles if you are planning lots of long rides. Fine for a day tripper.

Im getting offered what I would think is a very low trade in on the bmw at this stage which doesnt help when the purchase price is very high.
The trade in on the Connie at a different shop is almost 3 k higher along with the lower purchase price makes it even more attractive.
Saying that I have reduced my trade me value and trying to sell private first.


I think I have the price correct. what do you think?


http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=516387466

[Big Dave]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=516387466

I don't really know, sorry. My gig comes with list prices.

Nice unit. Low K's in its favour. Gut feel is it wouldn't attract a quick sale, but would go if you find someone keen for that model. Expert I ain't.

[mossy1200]

I don't really know, sorry. My gig comes with list prices.

Nice unit. Low K's in its favour. Gut feel is it wouldn't attract a quick sale, but would go if you find someone keen for that model. Expert I ain't.

Yeah. Needs the correct buyer. It turns heads everywhere it goes and has over 3k in extras. They seem to sell for over 14k in shops with more kms but the trade offer I got was 10k compared to 13k from a different shop. It may be the markup on the BMW is very low and the concours margin is alot better but 10k seems super low.

[Big Dave]

FWIW I'd also check some of the large adventure tourers too. Protection is good, comfort for two excellent and they suit the roads and conditions in NZ admirably.

GS, Tigers, V Strom, Tenere, new Hondas - all do the business.

[Hitcher]

FWIW I'd also check some of the large adventure tourers too.

Indeed, including my favourite the KTM 990SMT.

[banditrider]

There is only one choice...:devil2:

83,000km on my Connie and looking forward to the next 83,000. Some riders put Ninja stickers on 'em...

[raziel1983]

No mention of the Sprint GT?

[mossy1200]

No mention of the Sprint GT?

Im not that keen on the triumph.

My wife likes the look of the zx14r and the connie. Both in Black.
So they are on the short list as I like both.

I need to get the new home purchase sorted prior buying the bike or I will change the pre approval figures etc so I have time to trial them all.

There will be a demo K1300s in wellington on October 15th so ill take her out on that. I wont be trading the MT for 10k so idd need sell it to get the beemer. Funny thing is she seems to not like the look of the BMW compared to the 2 Kwakas.

[mossy1200]

I must admit. I went for a look at a few bikes today and had a sit and the zxr14r was the perfect fit for me in leg space and arm reach. The pegs were in the correct spot. It seemed to have the best build quality also. The 2nd hand bmw k13 didnt have a great finish to it in some places. Most notably the top tripple clamp area that had unfinished edges and a cheap look to them. It doesnt help thats the bit you see when sitting on it. The bmw seat was nice and soft but not as wide. I guess being 6.4 the wide seats on some bikes doesnt effect having my feet down when stationary.

ZX14r is at the top of the list now and since the one at the shop is a demo ill take Sue out on it next weekend.
Dont like the green but they come in Black.

[rastuscat]

There is only one "perfect" sports touring bike. It's made by Yamaha. It is the FJR1300. Nothing else comes close in performance terms..

Remember that personal preference means a whole lot. My perfect sports tourer would be an R1200RT. Personal preference. I respect Hitchers views, just don't agree.

So there.

[Ocean1]

I respect Hitchers views, just don't agree.

He's such a slut. He'll be bike shopping as we ...er... type and my money's that he'll end up with that KTM.







If I don't find it first.

[rastuscat]

Rode a 6 month old 1200RT today, SE model. 10000 km on the clock.

I've ridden RTs a lot (guess my job) but the DOHC version I rode today with all the fruit was head and shoulders better than the ones we ride. Better colour too.

ESA, ABS blah blah blah. Suspension adjust on the fly. Stereo system. All the fruit.

Fecking gorgeous. I was looking at a Con on TM, but I'll be saving my pennies for an RT.

Very personal preference. It's the nature of bikers, very brand loyal. Well, some are.

[Gremlin]

The RT-P gets a different sort of fruit of course, but yes, my understanding is that the RT-P gets less of the stuff like ESA.

You should have stuff like the fan behind the radiator (for a lot of traffic work), but you'd have to fit that to the civilian version. Always had a soft spot for the RT, but some actually choose the GSA over the RT for touring, and since I do adventure riding and a couple of decades too young for an RT, the GSA it is! :woohoo:

[Chappie]

You see seem to have plenty of advice and plenty of models to choose from so for what it's worth I'll add mine. I've owned an 07 FJR for just on 12months having purchased it in Auckland with 5k on the clock, I rode it back south and have clocked up another 18k over the last 10 months and a good bit of that has been 2 up. Have found the FJ to be an excellent tourer as well as having moderate sport capabilities once the paniers, wife etc are removed. Has all the modern technology you would want and is not too heavy.There seem to be a few new one's around at discounted prices due to not being the current model/year. I would say that value for money you would be getting a damm good deal. Check out the Yamaha dealer in Christchurch !!

[Chappie]

Check out the soon to be released new model FJR on motorcycle.com !!

[caspernz]

Haha, this is a fun thread to read, if only for me being in "new-bike-selection" mode myself...and the list of prospective new toys (and purpose) being rather similar.

My list originally started with ST1300, which then led to the Concourse, FJR1300, R1200RT being added along the way. Then came a ride on a current model Hayabusa and the doubts started to set in...should I go for more sports as opposed to tourer? The new ZX14R looks the part to me as well, nice riding position and decent build quality...and for some strange reasons evoking memories of the original ZX10 from the late eighties.

Soooo Mossy, be interesting to hear what your outcome is :yes:

[mossy1200]

Haha, this is a fun thread to read, if only for me being in "new-bike-selection" mode myself...and the list of prospective new toys (and purpose) being rather similar.

My list originally started with ST1300, which then led to the Concourse, FJR1300, R1200RT being added along the way. Then came a ride on a current model Hayabusa and the doubts started to set in...should I go for more sports as opposed to tourer? The new ZX14R looks the part to me as well, nice riding position and decent build quality...and for some strange reasons evoking memories of the original ZX10 from the late eighties.

Soooo Mossy, be interesting to hear what your outcome is :yes:

Well.............. Test riding zx14r tomorrow morning. If wife like back seat its 95% likely it will be the one.

[FJRider]

Well.............. Test riding zx14r tomorrow morning. If wife like back seat its 95% likely it will be the one.

The Concours has shaft drive ... :innocent:

[banditrider]

The Concours has shaft drive ... :innocent:

As many sensible people know...:msn-wink:

[mossy1200]

Took it for a ride.
Its awesome. Very smooth and stable to ride with perfect seating for rider and passenger. It felt very large for the first 2 blocks then that feeling went away.
Rides very well at 100 even in 6th gear and shows 14.7 km per litre in 5 or 6th at that speed.

Zx14r for me.
Sue even likes it.

The green is nice in the light but im going to do the black one with abs.
Green SE version has the metalic paint but no abs.
Black has abs for the same price as the SE but is all gloss black.

[BMWST?]

Took
Black has abs for the same price as the SE but is all gloss black.

Is that a bad thing? ;)

[mossy1200]

Is that a bad thing? ;)

Kind of came out wrong.
I like the gloss black over the green. The bonus is due to the decreased colour cost you get abs added for the same sales price.
Not only do I get the colour I want I get abs at no extra price.

[BMWST?]

Kind of came out wrong.
I like the gloss black over the green. The bonus is due to the decreased colour cost you get abs added for the same sales price.
Not only do I get the colour I want I get abs at no extra price.


i understood just pullin ya leg

[banditrider]

Kind of came out wrong.
I like the gloss black over the green. The bonus is due to the decreased colour cost you get abs added for the same sales price.
Not only do I get the colour I want I get abs at no extra price.

An extra $495 gets you quite a bit more...

[mossy1200]

An extra $495 gets you quite a bit more...

I hear you but my wife has put her foot down and demanded I buy a zx14r.
I tried to make her understand the concours was more suitable but she wouldnt listen.

[banditrider]

I hear you but my wife has put her foot down and demanded I buy a zx14r.
I tried to make her understand the concours was more suitable but she wouldnt listen.

:laugh: I've ridden and enjoyed a 14 too. You'll love it!

[Hitcher]

But wait, there's more...

http://www.bikeland.org/story.php?storyID=69812

[mossy1200]

But wait, there's more...

http://www.bikeland.org/story.php?storyID=69812

Looks nice. its was on the list that was bmw,fj,concours and zx14

All nice bikes and all worth owning. Idd like all of them but the beemer had a few finishing issues that bugged me which is odd as the r1200s was the most regreted bike sold so I was very much swayed bmw way before looking.
The concours and fjr are maybe the bike after for me rather than the next bike.
I still need to wait until after finding a house so have some time to think about it though.

[BMWST?]

But wait, there's more...

http://www.bikeland.org/story.php?storyID=69812


at least the pipes are reasonably oK on them,Those big jap tourers all look badly proportioned to my eye

[Ocean1]

But wait, there's more...

http://www.bikeland.org/story.php?storyID=69812

Now, I know it's self-propelled an' all, and you'd rarely have to lift it, or even manhandle it through a stream.

But two hundred and eighty nine Kilograms? Man, that's a lota machinery.

[caspernz]

But wait, there's more...

http://www.bikeland.org/story.php?storyID=69812

Damn! That puts the FJR into the number 1 spot again on my list...

I wonder if Mr Honda is gonna update the ST1300 anytime soon, just to make it even harder to decide?

[Hitcher]

But two hundred and eighty nine Kilograms? Man, that's a lota machinery.

It's quite a bit lighter than an ST1300, FWIW.

[Ocean1]

It's quite a bit lighter than an ST1300, FWIW.

It's not worth much.

Ah, I guess like everything else they're becoming more "feature rich" and that's got to eat into the mass budget. Still, well over 100Kg on the Buell...

[Gremlin]

Ah, I guess like everything else they're becoming more "feature rich" and that's got to eat into the mass budget. Still, well over 100Kg on the Buell...
I'm not one to measure grams, a well engineered but heavier bike can still handle better than a lighter one, but yeah, the weight has to be reasonable.

I believe your Buell is in a slightly different category to these full dressed tourers :yes:

The R1200RT is lighter than both the ST1300 and FJR1300 by at least 25-30kg :shutup:

[mossy1200]

I'm not one to measure grams, a well engineered but heavier bike can still handle better than a lighter one, but yeah, the weight has to be reasonable.

I believe your Buell is in a slightly different category to these full dressed tourers :yes:

The R1200RT is lighter than both the ST1300 and FJR1300 by at least 25-30kg :shutup:

Weight is a funny factor.
Light bikes in very tight corners have a huge advantage but as the corners become more sweeping the heavy bikes at speeds feel very planted.

The zx14 is the same weight as my MT but stationary it feels heavier and it also feels long.
Moving over 60kph it feels easier to ride.
I think it may be the MT engine weight is very low down which makes it feel light and easier to move at very slow speeds.

[Ocean1]

I'm not one to measure grams, a well engineered but heavier bike can still handle better than a lighter one, but yeah, the weight has to be reasonable.

I make shit for a living. Well, a sort of living. Anyway, it surprises me how low-tech most bikes remain wrt the materials and some design features. I reckon it's simply a function of the fact that it's more profitable to spend development money on marketing than on design. That, and the fact that most people won't buy anything too different from what their mates think is "teh shizz", and if the new radical design was all that "shizz" then why doesn't the latest (insert fashion statement R1/GSX/GLR/ST3) look like that.

WRT tourers there also seems to be a mass floor, so to speak, where any basic rolling chassis weight savings are used to allow the addition of cutsy toys like cup holders and hand warmers.


I believe your Buell is in a slightly different category to these full dressed tourers :yes:

And there's me, using the wrong tool for the job again.


The R1200RT is lighter than both the ST1300 and FJR1300 by at least 25-30kg :shutup:

Yes, I ride the brother's frequently, it's a good tourer. Interesting it's not marketed, suspended or shod as such.

[Louie]

Kawasaki ZZR 1200

I took one from Vladivostok to London this year. No problem. Eats Black birds 235 Kg sports tourer.

[pnl88]

Hi There. Not sure if this thread is still active, as have been away from this forum for ages.
I would highly recommend the ZX14 for everything. I have one for sale, but don't care if you inquire about mine or not, they are simply superb. More sporty than you would imagine looking at one. They can handle!! Seem to go better with 2 up and have more power than you'll ever need. Keeping the front wheel down with a pillion on can be the only draw-back.
Very roomy compared to other sports bikes, comfortable and just a super capable all rounder.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=535872890
Cheers, Peter

[jafar]

Kawasaki ZZR 1200

I took one from Vladivostok to London this year. No problem. Eats Black birds 235 Kg sports tourer.

would be interesting to see your ride report on that, was one done ???

[FJRider]

WRT tourers there also seems to be a mass floor, so to speak, where any basic rolling chassis weight savings are used to allow the addition of cutsy toys like cup holders and hand warmers.

Most of the listed weights mentioned in bike spec's ... is wet weight. Those with 28 plus litre fuel capacity will have higher weight spec's ... the 10 lb's a gallon formula to work out fuel weight adds to a good portion of the listed weight.

The toys add bugger all to the final weight. But DO add to the price ....

[BMWST?]

Most of the listed weights mentioned in bike spec's ... is wet weight. Those with 28 plus litre fuel capacity will have higher weight spec's ... the 10 lb's a gallon formula to work out fuel weight adds to a good portion of the listed weight.

The toys add bugger all to the final weight. But DO add to the price ....

but a decent fuel capacity adds so much more to the usefukness of the bike.You dont NEED 28 l in NZ but it means you can ad lib your routes and adventures much more than if you have 18 or 20 l

[FJRider]

but a decent fuel capacity adds so much more to the usefukness of the bike.You dont NEED 28 l in NZ but it means you can ad lib your routes and adventures much more than if you have 18 or 20 l

Usefukness ... ??? Hitcher will be after you ... :lol:

There are a few motorcyclists that like to ride ... not piss around topping up with fuel every 2 1/2 hours ... :cool:

[mossy1200]

Ok

Update

I have ordered a black abs 2012 zx14r

Also ordered yoshi pipes and the ecu is being sent away to be reflashed

Flashing it will

Remove speed limiter
Increase redline 500rpm
Enable mode switching while riding
Return to last used mode rather than traction control max everytime bike is shut off.
Take away the detune in first and second gear when in race mode.

Looking forward to having it when its ready. Might take a month to have it ready for collection as the reflash is done by Guhl in USA and involves sending the ecu away.

[Ocean1]

Flashing it will

Remove speed limiter
Increase redline 500rpm
Enable mode switching while riding
Return to last used mode rather than traction control max everytime bike is shut off.
Take away the detune in first and second gear when in race mode.

And not affect the OEM warantee?

[Hitcher]

The Kawasaki Z1000 (ZR1000B) is now officially a "touring" bike.

[mossy1200]

And not affect the OEM warantee?

Bike shop hasnt said anything. Its stock standard sir.

Its very common mod overseas.

[caspernz]

Ok

Update

I have ordered a black abs 2012 zx14r

Also ordered yoshi pipes and the ecu is being sent away to be reflashed

Flashing it will

Remove speed limiter
Increase redline 500rpm
Enable mode switching while riding
Return to last used mode rather than traction control max everytime bike is shut off.
Take away the detune in first and second gear when in race mode.

Looking forward to having it when its ready. Might take a month to have it ready for collection as the reflash is done by Guhl in USA and involves sending the ecu away.

Soooo, what happened to the fellow that was looking for a sport-tourer? He's turned into a drag racer...:facepalm:

[manxkiwi]

Prob a bit late, as you've ordered your bike. But did anyone mention the Sprint GT Triumph? (haven't read every post in this thread). I've just bought one for $20k new. ABS and huge panniers standard, excellent build quality, huge tank range. Wouldn't be fair to compare it to more sporty bikes but it goes and handles very well for a larger bike. I rode the 1400 concourse - massive, and couldn't get the screen at any position to not buffet my head! The VFR1200 is a seriously good bike to ride, tons of power and good handling, but man it got beaten badly with the ugly stick, also panniers are another $4kish on top. Botany Honda still have two new ones for $20k!

Anyway, hope you're happy with the ZX. Cheers.

[mossy1200]

Soooo, what happened to the fellow that was looking for a sport-tourer? He's turned into a drag racer...:facepalm:

Well its function is sports touring with a side serving of want to go over 200mph. Im getting the reflash mainly so I can switch traction control settings while riding:wings:

[caspernz]

Well its function is sports touring with a side serving of want to go over 200mph. Im getting the reflash mainly so I can switch traction control settings while riding:wings:

Yeah, just giving you a bit of stick, as that new ZX14 is on my list as well....:innocent:

[mossy1200]

Yeah, just giving you a bit of stick, as that new ZX14 is on my list as well....:innocent:

Brooks performance 375usd plus freight fo a re flash on the ecu if you get a 2012+ model is the only way to remove the speed limiter and the reduced hp in first and second gear. Its a guhl reflash.

I like the bike but if im going to have one ill want to get back into the odd quarter mile event on it. Cant have it doing 100 all the time.:Police:

I must admit when I took my wife out on the demo one it was great piece of bike. So much so she told me to buy it. I dont like to argue with my wife.

The only issue she had was the lack of foot clearance to the big stock mufflers from the passenger pegs so she insisted I get a set of r77 yoshis.

[vifferman]

I must admit when I took my wife out on the demo one it was great piece of bike. So much so she told me to buy it. I dont like to argue with my wife.
She's not realted to my missuss, by any chance? She did the same thing when I got the VFR (8 years ago now!)
And then again, when I was whingeing about all the windfalls I've had lately disappearing into house repairs, so she suggested I buy some toys. Obediently, I obliged: new helmet, Sena Bluetooth kits, and a new(ish) car.:love: (<-that's for the wife, although I do love the car! Might even drive it occasionally...)

[mossy1200]

Its arrived.:banana:

Now ecu is on its way to usa for reflash and pipes and tail tidy should arrive next week.

Hope xmas doesnt slow the ecu return down to much.

[Ocean1]

Its arrived.:banana:

Now ecu is on its way to usa for reflash and pipes and tail tidy should arrive next week.

Hope xmas doesnt slow the ecu return down to much.

Cool. Make wit the pic's.

And, if it takes a while at least you've got the MT01 to play with in the meantime.



Which is more than some of us have got.

[Madness]

Brooks performance ...

I must admit when I took my wife out on the demo one it was great piece of bike. So much so she told me to buy it. I dont like to argue with my wife.

... she insisted I get a set of r77 yoshis.

That'll be Brocks Performance (http://www.brocksperformance.com/).

Does your wife have a sister?

[mossy1200]

That'll be Brocks Performance (http://www.brocksperformance.com/).

Does your wife have a sister?

My bad Brocks.

She does have a single younger sister but shes not your type though.

[mossy1200]

Cool. Make wit the pic's.

And, if it takes a while at least you've got the MT01 to play with in the meantime.



Which is more than some of us have got.

Will do but its half assembled and dusty with pieces of crate brackets still attached at the moment.
Perhaps I should get some shots of it like that.

[Madness]

My bad Brocks.

She does have a single younger sister but shes not your type though.

So the sister is deceased then?

Sorry to hear it.

[mossy1200]

So the sister is deceased then?

Sorry to hear it.

Shes alive but she isnt like my wife infact like you could go as far as say a evil version but you didnt hear that from me.:mad:

[mossy1200]

Yoshi Tail tidy has arrived but im not allowed to open it as its a xmas present from the wife.
Yoshi pipes look great quality. not going to fit them until ready to collect the bike incase they get scratched in the showroom.

[mossy1200]

ECU is on its way back to NZ now and may arrive this year.

Got bored and started designing another trailer. Wonder if 300 while towing is possible.

[Gremlin]

Got bored and started designing another trailer. Wonder if 300 while towing is possible.
Easy, you're limited to 90kph :D

[mossy1200]

Easy, you're limited to 90kph :D

Flying quarters:yes:

I wouldnt do a penny past 90 on the road.

[Gremlin]

Seriously though, I'm not sure what kind of record exists for towing a trailer by motorcycle.

I know a record was set recently with a very tweaked Dodge truck towing a caravan and set a record around 250kph??

[FJRider]

Easy, you're limited to 90kph :D

Get pinged with a trailer at 130 km/hr and you're walking for 28 days ... with the court case to follow.

And probably another 6 months walking ...

[mossy1200]

Get pinged with a trailer at 130 km/hr and you're walking for 28 days ... with the court case to follow.

And probably another 6 months walking ...

93.9 kph on a public holiday or 99.9 other times is fast enough on a tour 2 up with no hurry to be anywhere.

Would be good to run a flying with it on though.

[mossy1200]

Seriously though, I'm not sure what kind of record exists for towing a trailer by motorcycle.

I know a record was set recently with a very tweaked Dodge truck towing a caravan and set a record around 250kph??

The problem is the Yanks call a caravan a trailer or trailer-home

Hense trailer parks are what we call caravan parks

So I would assume the record they set is for a stock caravan that sleeps 2 and has cooker frideg etc inside(examples only) and has only small mods to a standard etc wheel axels etc.

I watched the doco but they never explained alot about the conditions and spent more time on the build of the 1000+hp truck that towed it.

Was good viewing.
Maybe there isnt even a record speed recorded for a motorcycle towing set.
Ill google that one day I guess if the world hasnt ended before I get the bike sorted.

[mossy1200]

I think tomorrow is the day.

Ecu is back in NZ and went through customs Sunday morning.
Yoshi Pipes and tail tidy are installed.
Might be a short day at work tomorrow.:shifty:

[mossy1200]

Yippi 250kms travelled so far and first service next week I think.

[BMWST?]

250?not even a tank?

[mossy1200]

250?not even a tank?

Yeah refilled today and went for another ride. It was blowing hard on Thursday and I went to work Friday morning.
Its started getting better milage already it seem to sit at 21km per litre constant 100kph now. It was about 18-19 for the first tank.

500km now. I will have it ready for first service during next week I guess.

[BMWST?]

Sounds good 21 is nothing to sneeze at!

[caspernz]

Sounds good 21 is nothing to sneeze at!

Hahaha, wait until the run-in rev limiting thingee is done and dusted....:eek: