New opposition for Tardme [Archive]

bogan

26th September 2012, 17:12

"Being rich clearly does not give you skills transferable to areas outside your domain of competence,"

Morgan (trade me founder) tweeted.

:lol: However, being rich can buy you enough advertising to establish a sustainable market share, then it is up to the consumer whose service is better. I hope he does well.

Another site I hope does well, is payload.co.nz (www.payload.co.nz) which would give users a chance to get money from providing goods transport (to places they are going anyway), and buyers get cheaper rates.

Monsterbishi

26th September 2012, 17:34

I'll give it a look-see, all they have to do to be successful is not allow $0 listings or anything that isn't near the actual price to show in the search and it'll be a winner in my eyes!

SMOKEU

26th September 2012, 18:20

There needs to be some competition to TM as they have turned to shit since the jews took over with their high listing fees and fuckit forum mods.

JimO

26th September 2012, 18:22

There needs to be some competition to TM as they have turned to shit since the jews took over with their high listing fees and fuckit forum mods.
been banned have we

G4L4XY

26th September 2012, 18:23

I agree, the price for listing shit is crazy which is why I listed the Hyo on Sella and sold it without costing me a cent :)

I hope this new site works out...I'd still buy off tardme though

JimO

26th September 2012, 19:15

I agree, the price for listing shit is crazy which is why I listed the Hyo on Sella and sold it without costing me a cent :)

I hope this new site works out...I'd still buy off tardme though
so how did it sell without costing you a cent, if there is no listing fee they must have a success fee, or they wont be around for long, any competetion for TM will have to be outstanding to succeed and if they get close TM will buy them out which is probably one of the reasons for having a crack at it

Tigadee

26th September 2012, 19:26

Mainfreight, huh? Might work with potential synergy there, especially if they offer cheap or free shipping as a component of the shipping options for sellers.

TM certainly needs the competition as they are so 'forgetful' when it comes to refunds. Pity Sella doesn't seem very strong but then what can you expect from Telescum...

KIPS powervalve

26th September 2012, 19:27

Trademe have announced that they are putting their success fees up again. Getting too fat since their IPO, I'd definitely look at selling my Hyo250 elsewhere. Any takers BTW? :no:

Tigadee

26th September 2012, 19:51

Put it up here on KB...

mossy1200

26th September 2012, 20:18

Trademe have announced that they are putting their success fees up again. Getting too fat since their IPO, I'd definitely look at selling my Hyo250 elsewhere. Any takers BTW? :no:

They charging 8% now.
Its to much coin.
I paid 40 odd to sell a 500 buck scooter.

bogan

26th September 2012, 20:29

They charging 8% now.
Its to much coin.
I paid 40 odd to sell a 500 buck scooter.

Ebay charges 9% I think, plus another 3% for paypal on the buyer side. Monopoly economics, charge a shitload, then do everything to ensure nobody else gets to the tipping point of user numbers.

mossy1200

26th September 2012, 20:37

Ebay charges 9% I think, plus another 3% for paypal on the buyer side. Monopoly economics, charge a shitload, then do everything to ensure nobody else gets to the tipping point of user numbers.

Are you sure on the 9%?
I sold some of my bmw parts on ebay to a guy in Canada and it didnt seem to cost much. it was 3 years ago now approx.

bogan

26th September 2012, 20:41

Are you sure on the 9%?
I sold some of my bmw parts on ebay to a guy in Canada and it didnt seem to cost much. it was 3 years ago now approx.

A quick google suggests that is the case, but no, I'm not sure.

Tigadee

26th September 2012, 20:51

Monopoly economics, charge a shitload, then do everything to ensure nobody else gets to the tipping point of user numbers.

Trade Me to Telecom: "Master, teach me!"

Crasherfromwayback

26th September 2012, 21:59

Morgan (trade me founder) tweeted.

.

GM has become one of NZ's biggest tosspots since he got super rich.

SMOKEU

26th September 2012, 22:08

been banned have we

4 years ago.

madandy

26th September 2012, 22:09

Wasnt it Sam Morgan that tweeted that?

GM certainly has been rather vocal with his ideal since selling off his Sons invention!

gammaguy

27th September 2012, 00:37

GM has become one of NZ's biggest tosspots since he got super rich.

who helped save the Wellington Phoenix after it was almost sunk.

And no matter whether you like them or not,the Phoenix have done a lot for wellington,even if its only the amount of coffee I drink when I come there to watch them play.

My type of tosspot

ckai

27th September 2012, 10:42

I do hope these others do well or stir some shit at least. I find it funny that so many people say the same old thing when it comes Trade Me rivals, either:

"No chance. They'll get crushed" (I hate this negative attitude)

or

"I hope they do will cause trade me charges too much".

And yet no one supports the newbies. I gave Sella a go when selling my 250, I think if you have a fixed price it mind, it's stupid not to go Sella. I sorting the wifes Shoei to sell so will give Sella a go and will also put it up on with this one as well.

Trade Me is definitely only in it for the shareholders now (which they should be if I was a shareholder). You certainly can't say they're trying to make a better product when they made a $75mil profit and still raise their fees by 5%. Good for them to be in that position but hopefully kiwi's will come to their senses and start protesting with their feet. But holy shit are we a slow bunch!!

Crasherfromwayback

27th September 2012, 12:01

who helped save the Wellington Phoenix after it was almost sunk.

And no matter whether you like them or not,the Phoenix have done a lot for wellington,even if its only the amount of coffee I drink when I come there to watch them play.

My type of tosspot

And good on him and the others involved.

The Lone Rider

27th September 2012, 18:35

I will be supporting them.

I should really sign up to Sella as well, but it becomes a bit of tossing around to be listing stuff on 2 (and soon 3 or 4) different sites.

jasonu

29th September 2012, 17:24

How come Craigslist hasn't cought on in NZ. It is 100% free to buy or sell. That fits the Kiwi way doesn't it? It is huge here. I look at it every day. My job, both my vehicles, polaris sportsman quad, rototiller, chain saw, computer desk, fileing cabinets, gun case, wood splitter, paint sprayer, wife (not really) coffee table, rug, camera, lawn mower, roofing tin etc all came from CL at great prices. Lots of great free stuff too. Not to mention the stuff I have sold.
I am totally baffled as to why it isn't bigger in NZ.

bogan

29th September 2012, 20:25

I still think it would be a good idea to have a site which searched all of the other sites, TM, Sella, etc. Use that to get heaps of users, then offer a better deal for sellers.

The Lone Rider

1st October 2012, 15:53

Well so far...

Wheedle has pretty big issues when in Firefox

Issues in IE as well but not as bad.

Runs very slow in both.

And I don't like how they've arranged the categories (ie.. if you want to list motorcycle parts, you have to first click you are listing a vehicle).

Tigadee

1st October 2012, 18:13

Problems logging in and staying logged in, like when going into a listing to edit it. Was better earlier today, but quite bad now this evening... :facepalm:

HenryDorsetCase

1st October 2012, 18:15

tardme if fucking expensive. $49 to list a vehicle classified? what the hell, man? what the hell?

list the same vehicle (my scooter) for $2000 by auction and its $49 PLUS the success fee.

I will definitely be supporting the competition.

huff3r

1st October 2012, 18:54

Seems so far Wheedle is glitchy and full of broken links. Plus blatant copy of trademe, wonder how long they'll last...

Tigadee

1st October 2012, 19:13

Plus blatant copy of trademe, wonder how long they'll last...

Same can be said for Sella, nothing's happened to them so far [where law suits are concerned]...

Does anyone know/remember why eBay didn't start u here way back when? Surely they must regret that now?

awa355

1st October 2012, 20:26

For buying and selling lower priced stuff, I'm certainly missing the 'LOOT' magazine that used to come out weekly. I sold a lot of good stuff and bought a lot of junk from that mag.

onearmedbandit

1st October 2012, 21:15

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Does anyone know/remember why eBay didn't start u here way back when? Surely they must regret that now?

eBay used to have a .co.nz domain, but it got terminated.

imdying

2nd October 2012, 08:22

Does anyone know/remember why eBay didn't start u here way back when? Surely they must regret that now?No, there is no money to be made here by comparison.

Wheddle appears to be an immature product released too early. They also appear to have skipped over getting real people to test the functionality, and simple things like testing the UI for bugs. Slow and being down for maintenance are other crimes already committed.

They will have to lift their game quite a bit very quickly; I don't envy their dev team for the next month.

pzkpfw

2nd October 2012, 08:31

I find it appalling how closely they've copied TradeMe. Woo hoo they added a video option to listings. Such a missed opportunity.

Like under the "Computers" section, they've copied the "PDAs and Handhelds" section off TradeMe, when today they'd be better off with a "Tablets" section.

I also wonder if they've missed something that will help them get critical mass. I've bought something like 50 things off TradeMe, but never sold anything. If there are many people like me, then are are many people who don't care about success fees. So even if sellers go to the new site, buyers may not.

Unless everyone goes to the new site (and then the new one that comes next) then we all have to look in multiple places to buy and or sell stuff. It's tricky, because we don't want any business to have a monopoly, but it's a bit of a pain to have two auction sites that are essentially the same thing. The new site needs much more to differentiate itself, more than being a TradeMe clone with a few extra little features (which TradeMe could add themselves (e.g. those videos) if they turn out to be drawcards).

P.S. Ignore me. When TradeMe started, and there were news items about it (e.g. looking for investors) I said "Meh. There's already e-bay, this'll never work". And of course they all became very very rich.

Monsterbishi

2nd October 2012, 09:07

The site appears to be somewhat more functional this morning, still doesn't remember my login/password though :facepalm:

pzkpfw

2nd October 2012, 09:12

The site appears to be somewhat more functional this morning, still doesn't remember my login/password though :facepalm:

"Down for maintenance" is what I'm getting today.

Tigadee

2nd October 2012, 10:06

...still doesn't remember my login/password though

And doesn't remember details changes you make in your listings. Next time you go back into a listing to edit, the changes you made even 2 minutes ago are lost. :brick:

ckai

2nd October 2012, 10:13

And I don't like how they've arranged the categories (ie.. if you want to list motorcycle parts, you have to first click you are listing a vehicle).

I thought this was the case when I went to list a few things last night. To start with I couldn't select a category. Eventually I got it but no bike gear. I thought I'd wait to try tonight.

For buying and selling lower priced stuff, I'm certainly missing the 'LOOT' magazine that used to come out weekly. I sold a lot of good stuff and bought a lot of junk from that mag.

Ah the old skool days! Didn't they try to go online and found no one "got it"? Then TM persevered...

I find it appalling how closely they've copied TradeMe. Woo hoo they added a video option to listings. Such a missed opportunity.

For a product that's trying to take down a very very big player I certainly don't see this as a bad thing. Kiwi's hate change (we're moron's) so if they incriminate changes slowly while the faithful gets used to it, makes the most sense.

Also I'd imagine they would have said to the dev team, "copy this site but add this and this". Would save a CRAP load of money because, let's face it, they're gonna need it for the advertising.

The site appears to be somewhat more functional this morning, still doesn't remember my login/password though :facepalm:

This was annoying me the most last night. Wasn't a big deal though, just a little niggling annoyance.

pzkpfw

2nd October 2012, 11:00

Security issues? http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=1127528&topic=5

jellywrestler

2nd October 2012, 11:18

is it spelt with a WH to be culturally sensitive?

The Lone Rider

2nd October 2012, 11:40

In my own experiences, no amount of preparation fully prepares you for the actual. It's only graduations of failure and the level in which you rise to where you intended.

Anyone here use Trademe the very day or week it came out? At a rough guess... it was probably shit.

Edit -

FYI... on Wheedle usernames and passwords are still being stored in plain text, in a cookie.

Scuba_Steve

2nd October 2012, 12:07

TM certainly needs the competition as they are so 'forgetful' when it comes to refunds. Pity Sella doesn't seem very strong but then what can you expect from Telescum...

Huh? :confused: NZ Herald (or APN Holdings limited) own Sella, Not Telecom

Anyone here use Trademe the very day or week it came out? At a rough guess... it was probably shit.

You can look at the history of TradeMe in pictures down the bottom of this site (http://rowansimpson.com/2009/03/22/in-the-beginning/)

Tigadee

2nd October 2012, 12:21

Huh? :confused: NZ Herald (or APN Holdings limited) own Sella, Not Telecom

Oh? I stand corrected... :yes:

But Sella is really slow :yawn: traffic-wise though and relatively light on content compared to TM, which is surprising considering how long they've been around...

ckai

2nd October 2012, 12:25

Security issues? http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=1127528&topic=5

haha love how they posted in the 'forum'. Just that same as posting about Apple Maps in the Android Forum. Completely irrelevant and the only help it'll be is to continue with the "no one can beat our beloved leader" bashing.

Although, I suppose there's not many other places non-tech savvy people would read about that sort of thing.

The password issue was one of the first things Geekzone users found. Doesn't bother me personally as I've got no credit card details stored and I have different passwords (Passwords 101). Hell, the Playstation network shenanigans didn't even bother me. Still a pretty dumb thing not to think of on Wheedles part.

In my own experiences, no amount of preparation fully prepares you for the actual. It's only graduations of failure and the level in which you rise to where you intended.

Anyone here use Trademe the very day or week it came out? At a rough guess... it was probably shit.

I remember when it was cheap! :)

But you're totally right. There is only so much you can sort out with closed testing (password protection should have been one of them ;) ). It's amazing how much I've had to change designs based on a few "special" people in the office once I've done testing with normal people.

You can look at the history of TradeMe in pictures down the bottom of this site (http://rowansimpson.com/2009/03/22/in-the-beginning/)

That's a good link. I can't remember any of the previous versions :laugh:

Tigadee

2nd October 2012, 17:15

Wow, now Wheedle is down indefinitely...

The Lone Rider

2nd October 2012, 18:31

Wow, now Wheedle is down indefinitely...

As in Wheedle has kicked the bucket and will not be going again.. ever? (Edit... oh. I see.. a place holder until they decide if they want to carry on)

I've just signed up to Sella as a seller and I'm liking it. It is much nicer than Trademe. Some nice touches!

Tigadee

2nd October 2012, 19:54

As in Wheedle has kicked the bucket and will not be going again.. ever? (Edit... oh. I see.. a place holder until they decide if they want to carry on)

Amateurs... <_<

I've just signed up to Sella as a seller and I'm liking it. It is much nicer than Trademe. Some nice touches!

If only they add that video option like Wheedle... That was at least something new over TradeMe.

The Lone Rider

2nd October 2012, 19:58

Amateurs... <_<

If only they add that video option like Wheedle... That was at least something new over TradeMe.

TM did let you post youtube video links though.

I didnt try the wheedle video thing to know what you're referencing, but I did see the box to put a Y2b vid

Tigadee

2nd October 2012, 20:08

I didnt try the wheedle video thing to know what you're referencing, but I did see the box to put a Y2b vid

Basically the video linked shows up in your listing, without you going out of the site, which is good because it keeps you within the site rather than going off somewhere else. A more seamless and integrated experience, that function worked well but pity other areas didn't...

mossy1200

2nd October 2012, 20:09

The Lone Rider

2nd October 2012, 20:18

Im going to try the new site to sell the next project.
Im sick of paying 49 to list a dollar reserve bike that gets anywhere from 500 to 1k then pay more when sold 7 days later.

I think tardme opened the door with high prices and if they loose out they can blame themselves.

You cant. Wheedle has crashed and burned.

Go to Sella.

I think we should all agree to use Sella from now on. I've moved 15 items to Sella tonight. More once some of my TM ones close.

mossy1200

2nd October 2012, 20:24

You cant. Wheedle has crashed and burned.

Go to Sella.

I think we should all agree to use Sella from now on. I've moved 15 items to Sella tonight. More once some of my TM ones close.

Yeah ill buy from tardme still but im not keen on selling a low value vehicle at 49 list price.
Ill keep my MT listing going seeing as its not a auction and I have paid to sell it already.

Edit paid 39 each for the last 2 cheap bikes but 15 after sale also.
59 to list the MT01

Tigadee

2nd October 2012, 20:52

Agreed, gonna use Sella more from now on. But traffic seems very low there...:no:

mossy1200

2nd October 2012, 21:01

Agreed, gonna use Sella more from now on. But traffic seems very low there...:no:

Thats because only serious buyers are searching on it at this stage. The time wasters are still amused on tardme.

pzkpfw

3rd October 2012, 07:05

Was in todays DomPost, and on Stuff: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7756544/Wheedle-shuts-site-after-technology-fails

They do seem to have used some junior developers. All that time and money.

Tigadee

3rd October 2012, 07:26

Oh the irony... :lol:

The online trading platform, which aims to provide a cheaper, New Zealand-owned alternative to Fairfax-controlled Trade Me, has been bankrolled by Mainfreight co-founder Neil Graham.

© Fairfax NZ News

Tigadee

3rd October 2012, 10:22

They do seem to have used some junior developers. All that time and money.

Should of hired Kim Dotcom... :laugh:

ckai

3rd October 2012, 19:10

Go to Sella.

I think we should all agree to use Sella from now on. I've moved 15 items to Sella tonight. More once some of my TM ones close.

I thought I'd give it another go now again as well. Gotta admit, it is sorted nicely.

When Wheedle sort themselves I'll give them a crack as well.

The Lone Rider

3rd October 2012, 19:22

I thought I'd give it another go now again as well. Gotta admit, it is sorted nicely.

When Wheedle sort themselves I'll give them a crack as well.

Got more than 40 things listed on there now, and using it as primary sales point off website until funds are more fluid and previous shop host sorts their shit out or disables the mandatory google store checkout.

davereid

4th October 2012, 06:59

If there are many people like me, then are are many people who don't care about success fees. So even if sellers go to the new site, buyers may not. Unless everyone goes to the new site (and then the new one that comes next) then we all have to look in multiple places to buy and or sell stuff..

You have hit the nail on the head.

The site that breaks TradeMe may be more of a "portal" than an actual site.

So you login to "alltrade.com", and it accesses your membership or creates you one if you don't have one, at trademe, ebay, sella, wheedle etc.

So if you are looking to buy a motorcycle, it displays listings from ALL the sites you are subscribed to.

You can bid without every leaving the portal site, indeed if it were well done, after a while you wont even care if it was originally a TM or sella listing..

The cunning bit is when you list an item. Its listed and hosted at "alltrade.com".

Job done.

davereid

4th October 2012, 07:03

I still think it would be a good idea to have a site which searched all of the other sites, TM, Sella, etc. Use that to get heaps of users, then offer a better deal for sellers.

Opps Bogan was onto it before me !

Tigadee

4th October 2012, 08:51

The problem is that there aren't enough auction sites to make that a worthwhile service to offer.

I searched for NZ auction sites and even though there are about 2 dozen listed, about half of them aren't working any more, and half of the rest don't have a huge number of members or else look very amateurish. Sella and Wheedle is/were respectively the only two professional-looking ones, besides TM. Buyers now are also interested in collective buying like with the Groupon type sites...

imdying

4th October 2012, 09:09

You have hit the nail on the head.

The site that breaks TradeMe may be more of a "portal" than an actual site.

So you login to "alltrade.com", and it accesses your membership or creates you one if you don't have one, at trademe, ebay, sella, wheedle etc.

So if you are looking to buy a motorcycle, it displays listings from ALL the sites you are subscribed to.

You can bid without every leaving the portal site, indeed if it were well done, after a while you wont even care if it was originally a TM or sella listing..

The cunning bit is when you list an item. Its listed and hosted at "alltrade.com".

Job done.I've been involved in that sort of carry on before... in the end it very quickly became two teams competing against each other, costing each company (the first trying to protect their data, the second stealing it) $150k a month. (actually not quite true, the people trying to protect their data were paying more than that, and losing).

The Lone Rider

18th October 2012, 20:13

Anyone else experience this little money grabbing thing Trademe has been doing? They promote free gallery listings for $1 reserves. They get 50% off that $1 (if it sells for $1), but when it doesn't sell the promotion ends. So unless you knew they were doing this, clicking relist then bills you $0.55 for a gallery listing. ;)