LAMS question. Does your reg label match your bike model?

[rastuscat]

I've come across a lot of bikes over the years where the model is slightly or totally different from the one quoted on the Licence label.

E.g. My Gilera Runner, badged as such, was a Piaggio Runner on the Licence label.

Anyone else have a similar story? It hasn't mattered much in the past, but for LAMS bike and their very close variants it's critical.

Just interested in how big the problem is.

[paturoa]

They have all been fine, including the cages.

[neels]

According to the rego labels, my son has been riding around on a suzuki GSKR250, one of our work vehicles is a Nissan Nirvana, and I recently sold a Fiat Tip.

[rastuscat]

According to the rego labels, my son has been riding around on a suzuki GSKR250, and one of our work vehicles is a Nissan Nirvana.

Those GSKRs are limited editions. :laugh:

Ditto for the Nirvanas, although I've never seen Nissan making anything close to heavenly.

[paturoa]

I wonder if there has been a Nissan Menstural?

[davereid]

Those GSKRs are limited editions. :laugh:

Ditto for the Nirvanas, although I've never seen Nissan making anything close to heavenly.

I don't think the database is that good.

My ER6F was labelled an EX650 I think.

My XJ6 Jaguar is called a Daimler on their database.

My Nissan pathfinder petrol v6 was a diesel until eventually it found it way onto the database correctly after a wof, and I stopped getting the you-owe-RUC letters.

My TGB moped is just "Factory Built TGB"

It will be even more difficult with restricted version of bikes appearing specifically to meet LAMS like the variants of Suzuki 650s that are already showing up.

Suzuki NZ will ensure all the ones they register are correct, but private importers will not necessarily care as much.

[Scuba_Steve]

when searching for a new bike, I did have a couple of interesting ones, best was.

A Honda "blue & white" but thats alright it's colour was "vfr" :facepalm:

There was also a Honda "750"

[rastuscat]

when searching for a new bike, I did have a couple of interesting ones, best was.

A Honda "blue & white" but thats alright it's colour was "vfr" :facepalm:

There was also a Honda "750"

Nice. Blue and white is the new VFR.

Trouble I see coming is at the roadside enforcement stop. A cop reads the reg label and does a QVR and the bikes shows as a GSX650F, which isn't LAMS approved. The bike is actually a GSX650FU, which is. He writes the ticket, forbids the guy from driving, all coz some numpty committed a typo. Big waste of everyone's time, and creates a grievance. Something good to bitch on KB about, I guess.

Amusing stories out there though.

[imdying]

My ER6F was labelled an EX650 I think.That does not surprise me, Kawasaki seem to be the biggest offenders (most confused importers?).

A 1993 ZXR750 is also known as a ZX750, or a ZX7, depending on where in the world you are! I'll LMFAO when I see one registered as a 1993 Ninja (cause you know it'll happen :laugh:)

[Hawk]

yes interesting times ahead, I own suzuki sfv650li which isnt on Lams list but sfv650u is

[Scuba_Steve]

Nice. Blue and white is the new VFR.

Trouble I see coming is at the roadside enforcement stop. A cop reads the reg label and does a QVR and the bikes shows as a GSX650F, which isn't LAMS approved. The bike is actually a GSX650FU, which is. He writes the ticket, forbids the guy from driving, all coz some numpty committed a typo. Big waste of everyone's time, and creates a grievance. Something good to bitch on KB about, I guess.

Amusing stories out there though.

Course then there'll also be the other-side of the GSX650FU which has had it's ECU umm... "upgraded", making it a GSX650F but still rolling with GSX650FU labels.

End of day it's not like it matters much anyways, this restriction thing is more illusion than anything else, you're either gonna be able to ride or not.
Sure theres always the likes of people that if no restriction would get the busa as their 1st bike but when they twist the throttle & the bike takes off 1km down the road ahead of them they'll learn their expensive lesson quite fast I would assume

[MarkW]

I have 2 Honda D'eauvilles - both of which are, in theory, LAMS approved.

One is registered as a Honda NTV 650 and the other is a Honda NT 650V.

My Reid Trailer is a "Local" (thats like Nissan) and the model is a "Reid"

The Boat trailer is even more fun - it is a "Boat" (thats also like Nissan) and the model is "Trailer"

Years ago, the RG500 that I owned had completely different engine AND frame numbers on the paperwork to that displayed on the motorcycle itself. Was like that from new.

[tigertim20]

Nice. Blue and white is the new VFR.

Trouble I see coming is at the roadside enforcement stop. A cop reads the reg label and does a QVR and the bikes shows as a GSX650F, which isn't LAMS approved. The bike is actually a GSX650FU, which is. He writes the ticket, forbids the guy from driving, all coz some numpty committed a typo. Big waste of everyone's time, and creates a grievance. Something good to bitch on KB about, I guess.

Amusing stories out there though.

sounds like due diligence on the rider. KNOW your rules, KNOW your bike is legal, and the paperwork matches, if it doesnt, either DONT buy it, or get off your lazy ass and GET it fixed. Cant blame the cop for reading the label and doing his job according to the letter of the law can you? - just the same with trucks and log books and shit - if your paperwork is in order, you dont have a worry

[Subike]

Im interested,
From this Monday, is there going to be road check points across the country , targeting motor bikes?
It seems to me, that making sure you have the correct license, and the right paperwork ,for your bike is going to be the same as it always has been. All that has happened is the goal posts have been moved by the legislators as far as what you can ride. If you already have your R6 full, then where is the problem. There are still going to be those who will flout the system, but they know they are doing this. Any new rider, is going to research what he /she is going to ride if he/she is going to do it within the law. I can see that KB has made a huge thing out of something that in reality might be quite small.

[rastuscat]

I can see that KB has made a huge thing out of something that in reality might be quite small.

Gosh, that'd be a first.

[rastuscat]

Im interested,
From this Monday, is there going to be road check points across the country , targeting motor bikes?

No. It's not a big deal. Most Popos don't even know the law is changing, which is a problem in itself.

[JMemonic]

Any new rider, is going to research what he /she is going to ride if he/she is going to do it within the law. I can see that KB has made a huge thing out of something that in reality might be quite small.

If only that were true. I once knew a bloke who bought a Harley as his "mates" all had bikes and he wanted the best, this was not a young chap and one who you might have thought would have a little bit of a clue, of course he had no licence but was of the opinion that a motorcycle was no different to a bicycle and no licence required.

He apparently upon receiving his first incorrect licence type went back to the dealers and threatened legal action as they never informed him of the requirement for said licence. :facepalm:

[Spazman727]

My Honda CB250 was a Honda NAS, which is a freakin weird looking concept bike.

[nzspokes]

No. It's not a big deal. Most Popos don't even know the law is changing, which is a problem in itself.

Training of police staff does seem to be an issue after my recent dealings with them. You should be trained to do your job. :facepalm:

[Usarka]

A lot of bikes the official model is different from what's on the badge.

Interesting observation, can't wait to see it on reality tv! :Police:

[Oakie]

Arse! I just had to go out to the garage to check and did not expect any surprises. I got one! My Bandit is a GSF600S. My rego label though showed it as a GSF600SY (Being the fully faired model and not the half faired I have). When I checked the actual registration documents they correctly showed it being a GSF600S. Interesting then when I checked the VTNZ details from the last WOF and that also showed it as a GSF600SY. Just really strange that the rego document and the rego label were different given that surely they came from the same source data.

Moot point for this argument anyway as neither model is approved.

[neels]

That does not surprise me, Kawasaki seem to be the biggest offenders
True that, I've got a Zephyr 750 which on the rego papers is a ZR750, the only place you'll find that on the bike is if you look at the frame/engine number.


Arse! I just had to go out to the garage to check and did not expect any surprises. I got one! My Bandit is a GSF600S. My rego label though showed it as a GSF600SY (Being the fully faired model and not the half faired I have).
Unless you have a 2000 model that was registered in 2001, in which case the Suzuki year designation is Y, and is sometimes added on to the end of the model.

Have this with my DRZ, it's a 400EY on the rego label, E model and year 2000, but the LAMS list only has a 400S and 400E so is mine learner legal?

[rastuscat]

Moot points count too. It highlights one of the inadequacies of the system.

My current bike is shown as silver in the system. The manufacturer calls it champagne. Anyone I ask says its gold. When you register a bike, even the smallest error follows the bike through its life.

[rastuscat]

Training of police staff does seem to be an issue after my recent dealings with them. You should be trained to do your job. :facepalm:

The problem is the volume. There is so much we are expected to know, it's kind of huge. Nobody knows everything, not even Akzle.

On 1 October the new Search and Surveillance Act comes into force, and that's dwarfed anything else. I doubt that LAMS gets a look in. I raised it in Chur Chur, and virtually nobody had heard of it. I ran a few training sessions for the people who might need to know, but it's very under the radar.

If you asked most people how important it was, it'd wouldn't get a mention. It's big to us, as a motorcycle group, but we are a rare breed at best. Most people don't give bikes a second thought, unless it's to complain about them, so LAMS is a micro issue at best.

[nzspokes]

The problem is the volume. There is so much we are expected to know, it's kind of huge. Nobody knows everything, not even Akzle.

On 1 October the new Search and Surveillance Act comes into force, and that's dwarfed anything else. I doubt that LAMS gets a look in. I raised it in Chur Chur, and virtually nobody had heard of it. I ran a few training sessions for the people who might need to know, but it's very under the radar.

If you asked most people how important it was, it'd wouldn't get a mention. It's big to us, as a motorcycle group, but we are a rare breed at best. Most people don't give bikes a second thought, unless it's to complain about them, so LAMS is a micro issue at best.

Im dealing with a specialist unit that should have training in this as it is there core work. Im not dealing with general duty staff. The staff have been great and are very good at doing what they know. I bear no grudges to them. They dont know what they dont know.

[bogan]

When you register a bike, even the smallest error follows the bike through its life.

Therein lies the problem. All the main bits have been right on my vehicles, except for the seat count on the van. It was 2, with 6 seats present. I asked nicely for them to change it when I did my rego, only to be told it needed re-vinning/certing or some shit.

Why don't they allow shit like this to be corrected easily, bike shops know the difference between the models, so why can't they change the details when doing a wof or whatever. Then it would be up to the owner to ensure their bike's details are on the LAMS list if they are a learner, and cops could issue tickets on such technicalities which could be overturned if the details were corrected.

[scumdog]

Training of police staff does seem to be an issue after my recent dealings with them. You should be trained to do your job. :facepalm:

Tell me about it - there's so many aspects of training and introcucing new legislation etc that I'm susprised we have the time.

[nzspokes]

Tell me about it - there's so many aspects of training and introcucing new legislation etc that I'm susprised we have the time.

I thought you were all rocket scientists that wanted to make a difference? :p:p

But as ive said, the staff have been great. They just dont know this part of what they do.

[Oakie]

Moot points count too. It highlights one of the inadequacies of the system.

My current bike is shown as silver in the system. The manufacturer calls it champagne. Anyone I ask says its gold. When you register a bike, even the smallest error follows the bike through its life.

Yeah. I was working on the Motor Registration counter in the 80s when they bought the change in to plain colour descriptions. The one I always remembered and one that highlighted the problem was a Ford vehicle I think that came in 'Sirocco'. Anyone care to guess what colour that might be?

[Subike]

Yeah. I was working on the Motor Registration counter in the 80s when they bought the change in to plain colour descriptions. The one I always remembered and one that highlighted the problem was a Ford vehicle I think that came in 'Sirocco'. Anyone care to guess what colour that might be?

Can I have a guess
It is Red, the colour of the dust blown by the winds over the Canary Islands

(Ford nutt from way back)

[scumdog]

Moot points count too. It highlights one of the inadequacies of the system.

My current bike is shown as silver in the system. The manufacturer calls it champagne. Anyone I ask says its gold. When you register a bike, even the smallest error follows the bike through its life.

My T-Sport is registered as a 2000 model - but it is in fact a 2001 going by VIN etc.

An important difference to those in the know.

(It was imported 2006).

[rastuscat]

Just an observation.

Road policing is a very technical field. The level of specific road policing training is, um, basically bugger all. Its left to people to know stuff, or find it out as they go along.

For example, I am almost totally out of date with boy racer stuff. I have a passing knowledge of it, but the people who pfaff around with it know far more about it than I do.

And yet people expect us to be experts on things like that. And like, the law on LED daytime running lights. And the law on Police Safety Orders. And the law on every other bloody thing that we are even remotely likely to come across.

Road policing training is a glaring gap.

Scummie, your views?

[Kickaha]

Scummie, your views?
Waste of time asking, him he's probably drunk :bleh:

[nzspokes]

Just an observation.

Road policing is a very technical field. The level of specific road policing training is, um, basically bugger all. Its left to people to know stuff, or find it out as they go along.

For example, I am almost totally out of date with boy racer stuff. I have a passing knowledge of it, but the people who pfaff around with it know far more about it than I do.

And yet people expect us to be experts on things like that. And like, the law on LED daytime running lights. And the law on Police Safety Orders. And the law on every other bloody thing that we are even remotely likely to come across.

Road policing training is a glaring gap.

Scummie, your views?

Bring back the MOT? :laugh:

[scumdog]

Just an observation.

Road policing is a very technical field. The level of specific road policing training is, um, basically bugger all. Its left to people to know stuff, or find it out as they go along.

For example, I am almost totally out of date with boy racer stuff. I have a passing knowledge of it, but the people who pfaff around with it know far more about it than I do.

And yet people expect us to be experts on things like that. And like, the law on LED daytime running lights. And the law on Police Safety Orders. And the law on every other bloody thing that we are even remotely likely to come across.

Road policing training is a glaring gap.

Scummie, your views?

On the button bro!

The public seem to think, nay EXPECT us to be experts in all things.

I see that a lot in my dealing with them all the timr.

"But you guys should know..."
"Aren't you guys meant to know all about that..."
"Aren't you guys meant to be expert..."

And they are refering to quaint laws, obscure facts, driving/shooting, you name it, we're the experts - or so they expect.

[nzspokes]

On the button bro!

The public seem to think, nay EXPECT us to be experts in all things.

I see that a lot in my dealing with them all the timr.

"But you guys should know..."
"Aren't you guys meant to know all about that..."
"Aren't you guys meant to be expert..."

And they are refering to quaint laws, obscure facts, driving/shooting, you name it, we're the experts - or so they expect.

But if your job is only in one field, would you not be expected to be an expert in it?

[pzkpfw]

But if your job is only in one field, would you not be expected to be an expert in it?

What's "one field"? What's "expert"?

I don't know every programming language.
I don't even know everything about the main language I program in.
I still make a living doing it.

[nzspokes]

What's "one field"? What's "expert"?

I don't know every programming language.
I don't even know everything about the main language I program in.
I still make a living doing it.

Well if you worked in Burglary, would you not expect to be an expert in the law around it?

[JMemonic]

Just an observation.

Road policing is a very technical field. The level of specific road policing training is, um, basically bugger all. Its left to people to know stuff, or find it out as they go along.

For example, I am almost totally out of date with boy racer stuff. I have a passing knowledge of it, but the people who pfaff around with it know far more about it than I do.

And yet people expect us to be experts on things like that. And like, the law on LED daytime running lights. And the law on Police Safety Orders. And the law on every other bloody thing that we are even remotely likely to come across.

Road policing training is a glaring gap.

Scummie, your views?

Please don't take this the wrong way, I think you have raised a point in this statement that does irk me a little and its how in the hell is a police officer supposed to be able to judge the road worthiness of a vehicle at a quick glance? Ok there is the glaringly obvious faults, i.e. riding on the bump stops, bald tyres e.t.c but I have witnessed some really dumb roadside decisions made by officers over minor things that comply with the regulations but they in their wisdom do not believe they do not and issued the vehicle with a defect notice.

A mechanic has to prove their competency and experience to issue WOF's, yet a new officer with little experience can tell at a glance its not roadworthy?

It costs money to go back to a specific testing station and get theses cleared.

I also had a general duties officer in the last week or two inform me he was able to tell the speed of any vehicle by how it sounded, I just cringed.

[pzkpfw]

Well if you worked in Burglary, would you not expect to be an expert in the law around it?

I work in I.T.

I am involved in Burglary.

[tigertim20]

Just an observation.

Road policing is a very technical field. The level of specific road policing training is, um, basically bugger all. Its left to people to know stuff, or find it out as they go along.

For example, I am almost totally out of date with boy racer stuff. I have a passing knowledge of it, but the people who pfaff around with it know far more about it than I do.

And yet people expect us to be experts on things like that. And like, the law on LED daytime running lights. And the law on Police Safety Orders. And the law on every other bloody thing that we are even remotely likely to come across.

Road policing training is a glaring gap.

Scummie, your views?

I went out for a wee ride today, and had to pay a little bit of fun tax. No big deal, only a little over, and I will quite happily pay the ticket.
The cop was a friendly bloke and we had a chat for a few minutes, and he was asking about my bike, seemed like he was into bikes.

I brought up the LAMS thing, and he looked at me blankly. He had never even heard of it. I told him a little about it and said said its a shame they dont give the highway patrol info thats relevant to them. He laughed and said 'Yep, well it certainly wouldnt be the first time theyve done something like that and we have had no idea'.
I gave him the relevant information, and told him he could read about it on the NZTA website, hopefully he checks it out.

My suggestion to anyone taking advantage of the LAMS bikes, would be to print out the info from the official NZTA, or similar website, and carry it in your jacket pocket, and if you come across another officer that hasnt been told, you can politely show them the LAMS stuff, it might save you the hassle of having to write in about a ticket, and help inform the guys trying to do their job. I doubt standing and arguing will help you out, but if you can show them a print out, you should be fine.

[scumdog]

Well if you worked in Burglary, would you not expect to be an expert in the law around it?

I can't speak for all but I for one are not an expert in any one field - and very few are fixed on one job/topic. ie JUST Burglary.

I am expected to 'know it all' and be able to cover any job thrown at me.

I have a lot of portfolios (Eight at last count) so for example using one of them:
'Proprty Damage Officer' - I fairly should be expected to know/do 1/8th of that portfolio?:confused:

[scumdog]

Waste of time asking, him he's probably drunk :bleh:

I wish!

I've got to work tonight.

(and you'll keep...)

[nzspokes]

I can't speak for all but I for one are not an expert in any one field - and very few are fixed on one job/topic. ie JUST Burglary.

I am expected to 'know it all' and be able to cover any job thrown at me.

I have a lot of portfolios (Eight at last count) so for example using one of them:
'Proprty Damage Officer' - I fairly should be expected to know/do 1/8th of that portfolio?:confused:

The unit Im dealing with is a specialist one. I would have thought they would know what they are doing. Sadly they dont seem to.

[rastuscat]

I claim to be an expert in only one thing. Donuts.

In everything else, I'm fairly good, but there's always something I can learn.

I can give you chapter and verse on the traffic light phasing of intersections, LB movement crashes, any number of things, but it's not possible to know everything.

Bloke approached me recently expecting me to know the maximum towing capacity of his X5 BMW.

Too much for even me, I'm afraid.

[FJRider]

Bloke approached me recently expecting me to know the maximum towing capacity of his X5 BMW.

Too much for even me, I'm afraid.

In times such as that ... you tell them if the tow bar was certified, it would be stated on the certification plate.

If the tow bar was not certified ... any towing related incident may mean his insurance/warranty could be void. And he should check with his insurance company/vehicle dealer ... to see what they allow .... (if they allow it)

Remind them ... that New Zealand is one of the few countries in the world that allow (in law) people to tow trailers behind their cars ... and vehicle designers have never (seldom) factored in the fitting of tow bars.

I actually have seen tow bars fitted to some cars ... that were basically bolted straight onto 3mm panel steel. (and wondered why their tandem trailer came adrift)

[rastuscat]

In times such as that ... you tell them if the tow bar was certified, it would be stated on the certification plate.

If the tow bar was not certified ... any towing related incident may mean his insurance/warranty could be void. And he should check with his insurance company/vehicle dealer ... to see what they allow .... (if they allow it)

Remind them ... that New Zealand is one of the few countries in the world that allow (in law) people to tow trailers behind their cars ... and vehicle designers have never (seldom) factored in the fitting of tow bars.

I actually have seen tow bars fitted to some cars ... that were basically bolted straight onto 3mm panel steel. (and wondered why their tandem trailer came adrift)

Don't wanna hijack this thread, but.......

A Corolla I used to have had a max tow rating, which was different from...........the tow rating of the tow bar itself, which was different from............the rating of the tow ball. The trailer was built to no specific engineering spec, and weighed.........dunno. did I ever weigh it and what I loaded onto it..........um...........no.

Bloody shambles that.

I now have a factory tow bar matched to my wife's vehicle, which I know the weight of. I know the weight of my trailer, and the weight the tow system is matched to handle. Seems a lot of trouble to go to, but it sure feels safer.

[Glowerss]

I just checked the rego on my 2 bikes.

My 400 is a shocker. It's a LAMS legal bike, but fuck me if I got pulled over on it after October first you'd have a devils time with it.

The rego simply reads "1993 Yamaha XJ".

Considering theres at least an XJ400, an XJR400, an XJ600 and an XJ 900, holy shit is that rego ambiguous. If I wasn't selling the thing I'd be tempted to go down to the AA or something and get my rego reprinted with the 400 on it. Could be a devil of a time if you got pulled over on it.

"But ossifer it's a 400 I swear it is!" :no:

[Kickaha]

A Corolla I used to have had a max tow rating, which was different from...........the tow rating of the tow bar itself, which was different from............the rating of the tow ball.

The latest Corolla isn't even rated for a tow bar by Toyota Japan, the company wont even let me put one on to cart the MTB around :facepalm:

[sootie]

In times such as that ... you tell them if the tow bar was certified, it would be stated on the certification plate.

If the tow bar was not certified ... any towing related incident may mean his insurance/warranty could be void. And he should check with his insurance company/vehicle dealer ... to see what they allow .... (if they allow it)

Remind them ... that New Zealand is one of the few countries in the world that allow (in law) people to tow trailers behind their cars ... and vehicle designers have never (seldom) factored in the fitting of tow bars.

I actually have seen tow bars fitted to some cars ... that were basically bolted straight onto 3mm panel steel. (and wondered why their tandem trailer came adrift)

If cagers were not allowed to tow trailers down your way FJ, what would they use to swat motorcyclists with?

[FJRider]

If cagers were not allowed to tow trailers down your way FJ, what would they use to swat motorcyclists with?

Most of the caged down here, use "proper" towing vehicles ... with "proper" trailers ...

Them remembering to tie things onto said trailers ... well ... :facepalm:

High traffic flow around here ... often means it takes several minutes, before an opportunity to pass comes along though .... :laugh:

[rastuscat]

There's a Kawasaki Concourse on TM just now, listed as a ZX1400. Listing 432981160.

Carjam says it's a ZX1400 too.

A mate who has one says that Concourses are all ZGs, and that ZXs are the sports version.

Anyone know this better than my mate?

[FJRider]

The Kawasaki 1400 GTR (Sport Tourer)... also known as the 1400 Concours ... also known as the ZG1400.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_1400GTR

From the few site's I've looked at ... it depends on the market it's in.
The ZX1400 was the original sport bike (2007)... the tourers (in later years) seem to have had the ZG prefix.

[ajturbo]

Tell me about it - there's so many aspects of training and introcucing new legislation etc that I'm susprised we have the time.

On that note..
I suggest that you ALL get more training.. and as i am heading south from Auckland next month... that WEEK would be a good time please..

Just one week with you all behind a desk would be a good idea...:innocent:

[rastuscat]

The Kawasaki 1400 GTR (Sport Tourer)... also known as the 1400 Concours ... also known as the ZG1400.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_1400GTR

From the few site's I've looked at ... it depends on the market it's in.
The ZX1400 was the original sport bike (2007)... the tourers (in later years) seem to have had the ZG prefix.

Yes, found that Wikipedia article too. Looks like yet another case of someone filling in a form incorrectly and the bike then ends up with an incorrect designation, which was the whole point of this thread.

Bloody bureaucracy.

[davereid]

Looks like yet another case of someone filling in a form incorrectly Bloody bureaucracy.

Yeah they rang me up last Census.

Apparently I'm a dumb bastard and I didn't get a single question right DOH

Don't expect I'll be much better come March.

[FJRider]

Yes, found that Wikipedia article too. Looks like yet another case of someone filling in a form incorrectly and the bike then ends up with an incorrect designation, which was the whole point of this thread.

Bloody bureaucracy.

But I doubt if a ZG1400 will appear on a LAM's list though ..

I have owned a 1985 GPZ900 (Ninga) that was listed on the rego form as a ZX9

[BEAMER89]

Just had to go out and check my bikes :facepalm: out of 7 bikes three are wrong, l have a R80GS regestered as a R80CS, a R100S as a
R1V0S and a R100T as a R1V0N the rest are correct :laugh:

[rastuscat]

Just had to go out and check my bikes :facepalm: out of 7 bikes three are wrong, l have a R80GS regestered as a R80CS, a R100S as a R1V0S and a R100T as a R1V0N the rest are correct :laugh:

Hold onto them. The BMW museum might be interested in the worlds only R80CS, R1V0S and R1V0N.

Cringe :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[SPman]

Mates Honda CB750 is a Honda CB125..........so is his CB450....and his CB550....and his CB90SS.....and his CB77..........and his.......

Oops!