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Winston001

28th September 2012, 11:48

I don't have a tech answer, just what I've read and absorbed. Apple was almost bankrupt in the mid-90s and was saved by Microsoft. Ironic eh.

What Apple do supremely well is marketing and presentation. Younger buyers in particular are drawn to the gleam and upmarket status of iStuff. But underneath it's just a laptop/phone/tablet, not a religious experience.

Apple products are expensive for what you get. Apple lock owners into iTunes and have other software/apps limitations.

My 17 yr son recently spent his life's savings on a Sony Tablet S after researching the choices. He uses it at school, home, everywhere and is very happy.

BigAl

28th September 2012, 11:56

BoristheBiter

28th September 2012, 12:11

I've only used the iPad but the latest retina screen is pretty awesome and great for watching BSB, WSB, MGP etc on youtube.

Plus brilliant for reading mags such as fastbikes, streetbike, motorcyclist, Sportrider etc. Annual subscriptions for as low as $14pa through Zinio.

I can choose from a 3.5" phone, 13.5" laptop, 17" laptop, 32" tv or a 49" lcd tv to watch stuff on.
And I can surf the web on all of them.
Guess with one i use the most? I give you a clue, the screen is more than 11".

Scuba_Steve

28th September 2012, 12:37

Beacuse it keeps you out of the crApple kingdom

Because you dont have to use iTunes

Your soul is not requured for purchase

Thats three good reasons

Now you tell me why you might buy an iPad - 'cos I sure as h*ll see no reason to want one

I've already joint the "Dark-Side" & I'm enjoying my stay here, very relaxing.

iTunes isn't a problem at all on Macs

No reason to sell your soul with Apple, they just make it dark. Androids the one whom takes the soul in the "assimilation" process when you're "upgraded" to a cybermen.

As for why I want one... present for the lady, she doesn't want to sit at a desktop when doing basic shit & doesn't want a full blown laptop a tablet is much more convenient.

Because buying the galaxy sticks it to "the man".

In this case the corporate greed of apple, that should be enough.

But really who cares, they are both pointless items that you don't need.

I can't really say not giving money to Apple but then giving it to Samsung &/ Google is really "sticking it to the man" they're all corporates with much greed & all huge players in the "new age". Giving money to any of them is feeding "the man"

And yes they are pointless & I don't "need" them, but so are alot of things in life & it's usually the pointless crap that we get most enjoyment out of case in point for many, Bikes

Spend the dosh on blinging up your bike!

Or fuel, oil, tyres and riding

It won't be for me, present for the lady... rather than a full blown laptop with more features & power than she'll ever possibly use & tablets are a much more convenient size too (if you're just doing the basics like she will be)

I don't have a tech answer, just what I've read and absorbed. Apple was almost bankrupt in the mid-90s and was saved by Microsoft. Ironic eh.

What Apple do supremely well is marketing and presentation. Younger buyers in particular are drawn to the gleam and upmarket status of iStuff. But underneath it's just a laptop/phone/tablet, not a religious experience.

Apple products are expensive for what you get. Apple lock owners into iTunes and have other software/apps limitations.

My 17 yr son recently spent his life's savings on a Sony Tablet S after researching the choices. He uses it at school, home, everywhere and is very happy.

Yep Apple was bailed out by MS in the late 90's but not for Apple's sake. That was MS looking out for MS.
What Apple do supremely well is pretty much everything from start to finish, which does include but is in no way limited to marketing & presentation.
The price difference in tablets is negligible, as for iTunes as above not an issue on Mac. Software/App limitations is mainly fanboi penis comparison, no real world implications for 96% of users.

jim.cox

28th September 2012, 12:54

I've already joint the "Dark-Side"

If you have already sold your soul, why are you wasting time (yours and ours) here? Get her the iPad and be done with it, FanBoi

BoristheBiter

28th September 2012, 12:57

I can't really say not giving money to Apple but then giving it to Samsung &/ Google is really "sticking it to the man" they're all corporates with much greed & all huge players in the "new age". Giving money to any of them is feeding "the man"

And yes they are pointless & I don't "need" them, but so are alot of things in life & it's usually the pointless crap that we get most enjoyment out of case in point for many, Bikes

Yes would have to agree on your first point.
If you think that then who cares which one you buy?
It will in the end come down to the one you want and at the end of the day that's what matters not what us "cyber gods" think

SMOKEU

28th September 2012, 12:58

Apple products are a waste of time. They sell you an inferior product and trick you into thinking that you have somehow bought a superior product. They are aimed at n00bs who have no fucking idea what they're buying, so the advertising is cleverly targeted at those kind of people. The Apple business model is dishonest, and there is no reason why you should buy an overpriced fashion accessory just to try an be "cool". Funnily enough I've met very few people in the computer industry who are Apple fans, because they know a rip off when they see one.

Buy an Android device, root it, and put Cyanogenmod on it. You'll have much more freedom being able to run things as root, and you'll get much more enjoyment out of it than an iPad.

onearmedbandit

28th September 2012, 12:59

If you have already sold your soul, why are you wasting time (yours and ours) here? Get her the iPad and be done with it, FanBoi

Sold your soul, fuck you cunts are funny. I love how if you use an apple product you must've sold your soul and be a fanboi. He was asking for opinions on the difference between the two products, simple question. Yet people like yourself, who have offered no actual advice so far, can only come back with shit like that. For what it's worth, yeah I have an iphone and an ipad, but I couldn't care less about whose name is on the packaging. Both have their pro's and con's. And I haven't given my opinion as I have none, as I haven't tried the Samsung product.

onearmedbandit

28th September 2012, 13:01

Yes would have to agree on your first point.
If you think that then who cares which one you buy?
It will in the end come down to the one you want and at the end of the day that's what matters not what us "cyber gods" think

FFS, all the guy is asking for is an opinion on which one is better for. Have you actually used both? Can you tell us which one is better in your opinion? Can you explain why?

BoristheBiter

28th September 2012, 13:01

Sold your soul, fuck you cunts are funny. I love how if you use an apple product you must've sold your soul and be a fanboi. He was asking for opinions on the difference between the two products, simple question. Yet people like yourself, who have offered no actual advice so far, can only come back with shit like that. For what it's worth, yeah I have an iphone and an ipad, but I couldn't care less about whose name is on the packaging. Both have their pro's and con's. And I haven't given my opinion as I have none, as I haven't tried the Samsung product.

But you seem happy to hand out the red, seems you do care.:bleh:

onearmedbandit

28th September 2012, 13:03

onearmedbandit

28th September 2012, 13:07

But you seem happy to hand out the red, seems you do care.:bleh:

Nope, just disagreed with what you said. That is the point of red rep. I just find it funny when people are anti-apple because they are a greedy corporation yet are happy to support Google/Samsung/etc because, what, they are not?

If you don't agree with me feel free to red rep me. No one else will know though because I won't come bitching about it on the forum.

bogan

28th September 2012, 13:08

Here we go, an opinion from someone who has obviously used them both extensively and can give an informed reasoned answer.

You can tell by his second sentence, the thing is, apple (hardware at least, software is more user opinions than a benchmark) do offer superior products. The other thing is, they just aren't superior enough to warrant the extra price imo.

I have to agree with gijoe1313 though.

BoristheBiter

28th September 2012, 13:13

FFS, all the guy is asking for is an opinion on which one is better for. Have you actually used both? Can you tell us which one is better in your opinion? Can you explain why?

Why? you haven't and yet you still have an opinion just like the rest of us.
But,
Yes I have and in my opinion the apple is nicer to use but so over priced and you are tied into what you can use on it.
The galaxy is has way more options but seemed a little sluggish, the newer models might be better.

They all bring new models out quicker than tits at a Harley conversion so it will be obsolete by the time you get them home, so like I said before it will come down to which one SS likes the best not what anyone else thinks is best. It's just another "what bike is best thread"

BoristheBiter

28th September 2012, 13:15

Nope, just disagreed with what you said. That is the point of red rep. I just find it funny when people are anti-apple because they are a greedy corporation yet are happy to support Google/Samsung/etc because, what, they are not?

If you don't agree with me feel free to red rep me. No one else will know though because I won't come bitching about it on the forum.

OH cry me a Fucking river.:tugger:

Swoop

28th September 2012, 13:16

Do you like to plug USB "thingys" into computers?

onearmedbandit

28th September 2012, 13:21

Why? you haven't and yet you still have an opinion just like the rest of us.

Really? Can you quote me where I say which one is the better of the two? Because I'd love to have an opinion on it and if I already have then it would save me from going out and trying one. Yippee.

But,
Yes I have and in my opinion the apple is nicer to use but so over priced and you are tied into what you can use on it.
The galaxy is has way more options but seemed a little sluggish, the newer models might be better.

Yay, just what the guy was asking for. Well done, wasn't that hard after all. Now I can go back to sleep. :sleep::msn-wink:

They all bring new models out quicker than tits at a Harley conversion so it will be obsolete by the time you get them home, so like I said before it will come down to which one SS likes the best not what anyone else thinks is best. It's just another "what bike is best thread"

Nope, they won't be obsolete by the time you get it home. As most know Apple doesn't support flash, I'm not sure whether Samsung does or not, but if they do there is a relevant difference as if his partner is doing a lot of web surfing that will annoy her. Also I don't like the new Youtube app that was introduced with the latest software update, especially if used on the Ipad (so far I have only found an app for the Iphone that will work on the Ipad but looks shit). That's the kind of stuff that will matter, but as I haven't used the Galaxy I can't really comment.

onearmedbandit

28th September 2012, 13:23

OH cry me a Fucking river.:tugger:

Aw now I'm really hurting. Like I said, red rep is there to be used if you disagree with a post. You are the one crying a river about it.

Scuba_Steve

28th September 2012, 13:35

If you have already sold your soul, why are you wasting time (yours and ours) here? Get her the iPad and be done with it, FanBoi

I haven't "sold my soul" I try to buy the best product for the purpose I can, it just so happens Apple has been the best product for purpose a few times.
I'm not loyal to 1 brand, hence why I'm asking for people to convince me Samsung would be the "better" buy & why, if that's not the case I'll stick with the default of Apple as the best product for purpose as so far they seem to be.

Apple products are a waste of time. They sell you an inferior product and trick you into thinking that you have somehow bought a superior product. They are aimed at n00bs who have no fucking idea what they're buying, so the advertising is cleverly targeted at those kind of people. The Apple business model is dishonest, and there is no reason why you should buy an overpriced fashion accessory just to try an be "cool". Funnily enough I've met very few people in the computer industry who are Apple fans, because they know a rip off when they see one.

Buy an Android device, root it, and put Cyanogenmod on it. You'll have much more freedom being able to run things as root, and you'll get much more enjoyment out of it than an iPad.

Obviously an assimilated "Cybermen" & have never used an Apple product in your life, thus know little of what you speak. As I mentioned I have no intention of rooting it, this will be a "charge up & play" device. I have no intention of ever making it a "what can I do for shits n giggles" device

& FYI I've owned Apple since before they were "cool", simply because they were the best. In alot of cases they still are.

Do you like to plug USB "thingys" into computers?

Occasionally, but no foreseeable intention of doing it with a tablet. If need be there's plenty of computers round my place to act as a conduit

SMOKEU

28th September 2012, 14:00

& FYI I've owned Apple since before they were "cool", simply because they were the best. In alot of cases they still are.

In what way are they still the best?

Akzle

28th September 2012, 17:07

So lets have it, convince me.

iPad is from this company called apple. what the hell kind of a name is "apple"?
(and they're slave-labor-made-in-china)

and even if you DO get one, you're going to change your sig. because signing off with "sent from my iPad3" just makes you sound like a douche.

"sent from my galaxy" - much better

Sent from my Laptop, like a normal fucking person.

Scuba_Steve

28th September 2012, 17:31

In what way are they still the best?

it's hard to explain to someone who has never really used one, so use one & find out... it's the small things that count, attention to detail. Little things you wouldn't notice unless you suddenly find yourself without. These are among what make Apple the "best". Even simple things like OS X icons being 512 pixels or 1024px in 10.7.4-> (& the detail held within) help to make it a much more pleasurable experience.

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(and they're slave-labor-made-in-china)

very few companies aren't, even Samsung utilises chinese slave labour.

SMOKEU

28th September 2012, 18:06

it's hard to explain to someone who has never really used one, so use one & find out... it's the small things that count, attention to detail. Little things you wouldn't notice unless you suddenly find yourself without. These are among what make Apple the "best". Even simple things like OS X icons being 512 pixels or 1024px in 10.7.4-> (& the detail held within) help to make it a much more pleasurable experience.

If you love *nix so much then why don't you use your favourite flavour of Linux? There are so many different versions that you will certainly find something you like. Also, fuck paying double the price so you can have pretty icons.

Gremlin

28th September 2012, 19:27

Nice to see so many answers not assisting OP at all.

Forget rooting, forget increasing performance, the average person doesn't care. They just want it to work. Hell, even I just want some shit to work. I don't need to tweak every single device in range all the time...

The iPad is the sort of device that is excellent for what it does well. However, once you start trying to do extra stuff on them outside of it's strengths, then yes, you quickly find it limiting. It's sort of hard to explain unless you've experienced it, but I've had a few clients get them, all smitten with the craze of Apple, then start asking to do things which it struggles to do, expecting some kind of laptop functionality. It's not a magic device. You basically have to have iTunes to function with the iPad, and it will sync all sorts of things, oh, but not Photos... it's these little gotchas that start becoming annoying fast.

Apple controls everything about it's products incredibly strictly, and this is starting to limit the use of their devices... ie, under app rules you can't make things too similar to their offerings etc.

Android is more open, but yeah, it's gonna want a Google account enough that you may as well have one, as it gives the device more functionality. In my experience (worked with client iPads, iPhones and have a Galaxy SIII) android is more functional, and at least for me, much easier to navigate. iOS drives me nuts with it's simplicity and lack of options, however, I'm a technical user.

Getting back to basics, if you need the device for web browsing, then either will suffice. Android has flash, so you get that. It's also cheaper than the Apple offerings (Apple's control again).

SMOKEU

28th September 2012, 20:10

Apple controls everything about it's products incredibly strictly, and this is starting to limit the use of their devices... ie, under app rules you can't make things too similar to their offerings etc.

Android is more open, but yeah, it's gonna want a Google account enough that you may as well have one, as it gives the device more functionality. In my experience (worked with client iPads, iPhones and have a Galaxy SIII) android is more functional, and at least for me, much easier to navigate. iOS drives me nuts with it's simplicity and lack of options, however, I'm a technical user.

Getting back to basics, if you need the device for web browsing, then either will suffice. Android has flash, so you get that. It's also cheaper than the Apple offerings (Apple's control again).

Exactly. I don't know why people would want a device that's so heavily restricted and the whole iTunes bullshit makes it even worse. We really should be supporting open source developers instead of Apple who wants to screw everyone one over for every single cent that they can. In either case, with Apple you're still always paying a premium price for an inferior product. ALWAYS.

It's not just the products that I'm against, it's mainly the business model that they have. In many cases Apple charge around double, even 3 times the price for the same product. I'm not exactly as ignorant as the average sheep when it comes to these sorts of things (although I'm far from an expert), but I don't believe it's ethical to conduct business in such a manner.

Gremlin

28th September 2012, 20:17

It's not just the products that I'm against, it's mainly the business model that they have. In many cases Apple charge around double, even 3 times the price for the same product. I'm not exactly as ignorant as the average sheep when it comes to these sorts of things (although I'm far from an expert), but I don't believe it's ethical to conduct business in such a manner.
It's called capitalism and shareholders. If they return well, the shareholders are happy... businesses are in existence to make money.

It's a very slippery slope when you try to arbitrarily decide what's too much money and what's not. Let's also remember that most big companies are out to wring every cent from you, even Google and Android. Winning the minds of consumers (and/or locking them into their ecosystem) is massive to the companies (Apple/Microsoft/Google). Nothing is "free". It may be delivered free, because they get something else, like your buying patterns etc.

edit: Oh, and if I seemed very Pro Android, the shit battery life and it constantly running apps I never asked for drives me nuts. Apple is no better in this regard... I can't uninstall a lot of it either. No point debating rooting, because most don't, nor can I have something highly modified and expect to test stuff on behalf of clients.

bogan

28th September 2012, 20:17

Nice to see so many answers not assisting OP at all.

The whole apple thing is getting like the scottish thread! The fanboi haters are just as annoying as the fanbois now :bleh:

Quasi

28th September 2012, 20:33

I have had unlimited use of an Ipad for about a year, but recently bought a Galaxy 10.1. To be honest, to me they just seem very similar, format, functions, ease of use etc. I thought the sound was slightly better on the Galaxy but that's about it really. Oh, and cheaper too!
I run a windows phone, and would definitely consider Android phone next time. So have tried the major technological experiences I guess.

phill-k

28th September 2012, 20:53

Have had windows in the workplace/home for yrs, android phones as well. Constant frustration with windows and anything thats associated with windows.
Xmas time we changed, use iMacs, their word & spreadsheet programs fully functional and beautiful in their simplicity, added a couple of iphone4's lovely reliable, simple to use, and an iPad and its the same, no issues networking shifting files, bla bla bla, have an itv unit as well no need to visit the movie store just download and watch.

One day you will see the light, took me a long time but no regrets

Scuba_Steve

28th September 2012, 20:56

Exactly. I don't know why people would want a device that's so heavily restricted and the whole iTunes bullshit makes it even worse. We really should be supporting open source developers instead of Apple who wants to screw everyone one over for every single cent that they can. In either case, with Apple you're still always paying a premium price for an inferior product. ALWAYS.

It's not just the products that I'm against, it's mainly the business model that they have. In many cases Apple charge around double, even 3 times the price for the same product. I'm not exactly as ignorant as the average sheep when it comes to these sorts of things (although I'm far from an expert), but I don't believe it's ethical to conduct business in such a manner.

No offence, but you sir are an ignorant fool
and "double, even 3 times the price"??? fuck knows what you're comparing but it aint "apples with apples" (pun intended) or like for like

I have had unlimited use of an Ipad for about a year, but recently bought a Galaxy 10.1. To be honest, to me they just seem very similar, format, functions, ease of use etc. I thought the sound was slightly better on the Galaxy but that's about it really. Oh, and cheaper too!
I run a windows phone, and would definitely consider Android phone next time. So have tried the major technological experiences I guess.

Yea I had a little play with both today (but it's fucking hard to judge these sort of products without full reign of them) both very similar, iPad seemed more intuitive to me out of the box, also the Galaxy keyboard seemed a little "off" (sorry don't know how to explain it) not slow or anything but not quite right & didn't seem to "autocorrect" like the iPad does, I have also heard the iPad gets better batt life by a couple hours.

Gremlin

29th September 2012, 00:25

also the Galaxy keyboard seemed a little "off" (sorry don't know how to explain it) not slow or anything but not quite right & didn't seem to "autocorrect" like the iPad does, I have also heard the iPad gets better batt life by a couple hours.
Wouldn't be surprised by the battery life of an iPad. I think it was the insides of an original I saw, maybe 2. It's basically all battery, with a tiny bit at one end for CPU etc.

Re keyboard, I didn't like the stock keyboard on my Galaxy, and got Swiftkey. That takes auto-correction to the next level, suggesting the next word, not just the current word as you type it. You can end up tapping on several words in a row if you're using a common phrase and it will learn (I suspect it's after the 2nd time you type the word). Again... it's all apps (with both devices), and you'll probably be surprised how much you can end up spending on them. I suspect the Apple is more expensive in this regard... I use very few bought apps on android, mostly free ones. Apple, it's a hard slog to find many good free ones...

The Galaxy SIII is my 6th smartphone I think, been using them for about 5-6 years. With client use included, I've used pretty much everything. Windows, Symbian, Palm, BlackBerry, iOS and Android. I still prefer the physical keyboard on BlackBerry to all else, but otherwise the Galaxy/Android experience has been good. Wish it had better battery life tho. Needs daily charging, and if I used it heavily, it wouldn't last a day. It's only a couple of months old, so I don't really want to see 1-2 years down the track :no:

Scuba_Steve

29th September 2012, 07:29

Gremlin if you're round a few Galaxy's maybee you could also help with a rumour I've been hearing?
In my investigations I've seen it claimed the Chinese made Galaxy's may not be such good quality (which are usually the cheaper ones) from little inconstancies & flaws through to straight up unreliable/breaking. The Vietnam & Korean ones seem to be better builds, with Korean apparently the best
Have you met any problems with them?

SMOKEU

29th September 2012, 09:37

edit: Oh, and if I seemed very Pro Android, the shit battery life and it constantly running apps I never asked for drives me nuts. Apple is no better in this regard... I can't uninstall a lot of it either. No point debating rooting, because most don't, nor can I have something highly modified and expect to test stuff on behalf of clients.

I've had my overclocked Cyanogenmod phone for around 4 months now. The performance increase is like night and day, and battery life is significantly improved. Stability is better than standard, and I frequently get over 200 hours uptime before I reboot. How's that for an unstable, barely useable OS?

No offence, but you sir are an ignorant fool
and "double, even 3 times the price"??? fuck knows what you're comparing but it aint "apples with apples" (pun intended) or like for like

Just look at their Mac Pro prices. Try upgrading the HDD or RAM. It comes out to about 3X normal retail price. Why?

mashman

29th September 2012, 09:43

As for why I want one... present for the lady

WTF kind of man are you (and everyone else that's responded)? Querying the technical merits of a pressie for the missus where all she wants is something that looks pretty and that she can accessorise the hell out of. See, that's the reason for the confusion... wondering what features she'll like so that when she opens it you can say, on I bought it because it's got x, y and z (none of which she'll understand) instead of, and look at the accessory list for it. Job done. You're welcome :msn-wink:

FLUB

29th September 2012, 10:39

I've used both and they each have their fundamental pro's and con's.

Apples big advantage is that they have total control over the rules governing how the software is written, so it always works (not always well - as with their latest map software). Disadvantage is that they have total control over the rules governing how the software is written, so not much good free stuff around.

Androids big advantage is that it is open source so there is a huge software choice, much of it free. Disadvantage is because it is open source each manufacturer has to have a play to make their own 'flavour', which makes it hit or miss whether the software works with your device.

My current tool of choice is the Galaxy Note as it serves as a small pad and a large phone, so I only use one device.

Sent using morse code from my panic room.

sootie

29th September 2012, 11:18

Sent using morse code from my panic room.

Did not think anyone knew what that was any more! -.-./..../././.-./... T

FLUB

29th September 2012, 11:43

Did not think anyone knew what that was any more! -.-./..../././.-./... T

For those you who are not old radio geeks, you can download morse code translation apps from both Apple and Android
:yes:

Scuba_Steve

29th September 2012, 12:11

Just look at their Mac Pro prices. Try upgrading the HDD or RAM. It comes out to about 3X normal retail price. Why?

And what are you comparing it against??? Go check HP or Dell they'll come out similar costs.

WTF kind of man are you (and everyone else that's responded)? Querying the technical merits of a pressie for the missus where all she wants is something that looks pretty and that she can accessorise the hell out of. See, that's the reason for the confusion... wondering what features she'll like so that when she opens it you can say, on I bought it because it's got x, y and z (none of which she'll understand) instead of, and look at the accessory list for it. Job done. You're welcome :msn-wink:

As mentioned at the beginning I'm not interested in specs, or what I can make it do by rooting/jailbreaking it. I'm interested in user experience, reliability, functionality, etc the stuff that will matter.

Which brings another point I guess I should inquire about too, how well does Android talk to OS X???

mashman

29th September 2012, 13:02

As mentioned at the beginning I'm not interested in specs, or what I can make it do by rooting/jailbreaking it. I'm interested in user experience, reliability, functionality, etc the stuff that will matter.

Which brings another point I guess I should inquire about too, how well does Android talk to OS X???

Yes you did. You're still over thinking it :rofl:. Would a certain recent court case give you the answer to your query? In that one is functionally so similar to the other that they won their case.

Scuba_Steve

29th September 2012, 13:45

Yes you did. You're still over thinking it :rofl:. Would a certain recent court case give you the answer to your query? In that one is functionally so similar to the other that they won their case.

So you're saying go with Apple cause the alternatives just a "quality clone"? :lol:

mashman

29th September 2012, 14:52

So you're saying go with Apple cause the alternatives just a "quality clone"? :lol:

:killingme it could be that they've ironed out the kinks and Apple know it. My 2c, it matters not a feckin jot. They're both "fast", they both serve apps, both allow you to surf the web etc... for me battery life is king, after all, tis no good having a fancy gadget if it's potentially gonna run out of charge just when ya need it. There were a lass at a place I once worked at and she had iThings because they looked nicer... aren't all women essentially the same :innocent: oh, and some men :confused:. I'm sure she'll love it either way.

Scuba_Steve

29th September 2012, 16:06

:killingme it could be that they've ironed out the kinks and Apple know it. My 2c, it matters not a feckin jot. They're both "fast", they both serve apps, both allow you to surf the web etc... for me battery life is king, after all, tis no good having a fancy gadget if it's potentially gonna run out of charge just when ya need it. There were a lass at a place I once worked at and she had iThings because they looked nicer... aren't all women essentially the same :innocent: oh, and some men :confused:. I'm sure she'll love it either way.

You could be onto something, probably have been over thinking it... They both do similar things at similar speeds. Samsung (as people have pointed out) has the flash (tho I've heard Adobe is dropping support, so this would be a limited advantage) & is more customisable out the box (which would probably frustrate her more than entertain, she is not in anyway a "tech" person), but Apple's offering has the much better display, better camera, better batt life, & seemed more intuitive out the box (all things that would please her more I suspect)

looks like again Apple might be the better option for the purpose. Cheers fellas for input, advice & opinions.

Gremlin

29th September 2012, 18:40

I've had my overclocked Cyanogenmod phone for around 4 months now. The performance increase is like night and day, and battery life is significantly improved. Stability is better than standard, and I frequently get over 200 hours uptime before I reboot. How's that for an unstable, barely useable OS?
You make a habit out of ignoring requirements don't you? A tip by the way, as I think you're studying in IT. If a client states something, best you take it onboard and give it some attention...

Which brings another point I guess I should inquire about too, how well does Android talk to OS X???
That's a bit of an odd question (not to mention almost impossible to answer)... what exactly are you trying to do?

Scuba_Steve

29th September 2012, 19:22

That's a bit of an odd question (not to mention almost impossible to answer)... what exactly are you trying to do?

You maybee thinking too much into the question there???
iPads (for obvious reasons) communicate with OS X quite seamlessly, whereas say the old Zune (anyone remember that "iPod killer"??? :rofl:) had no support at all.
Was just wondering if the Galaxy Tab had a sort of seamless connection (like the iPad), average connection (like ext drive), clunky connection (things sorta work but not brilliantly), or just no support at all (like with the Zune, you're on your own)
Questions kinda redundant now seeing as I think the iPads gonna be the best device for the purpose but thats sorta what I was getting at. We run Mac's so just wanted to know how well they would communicate i.e. how easy it'd be for me lady without my assistance.

SMOKEU

29th September 2012, 20:21

You make a habit out of ignoring requirements don't you? A tip by the way, as I think you're studying in IT. If a client states something, best you take it onboard and give it some attention...

Fair enough, I just don't like it when people who know fuck all start trying to pretend that they know better than me when they barely know how to turn a computer on. The majority of Apple fans don't even know what a command line is, let alone how to use one, yet they still think that they know it all and that their product of choice is far superior to everything else (by the way, I'm far from an expert and I'm not trying to pretend to be like one). When I ask why they can't even justify their answer with anything more than spewing out marketing drivel that they saw on a bus stop or a TV ad.

ckai

1st October 2012, 12:12

You maybee thinking too much into the question there???
iPads (for obvious reasons) communicate with OS X quite seamlessly, whereas say the old Zune (anyone remember that "iPod killer"??? :rofl:) had no support at all.
Was just wondering if the Galaxy Tab had a sort of seamless connection (like the iPad), average connection (like ext drive), clunky connection (things sorta work but not brilliantly), or just no support at all (like with the Zune, you're on your own)
Questions kinda redundant now seeing as I think the iPads gonna be the best device for the purpose but thats sorta what I was getting at. We run Mac's so just wanted to know how well they would communicate i.e. how easy it'd be for me lady without my assistance.

Once the 'droid is set up, you're fine. It takes a few more minutes to set up though where as the pad you can just plug it into your mac and you're away. I do literally mean just a few more minutes.

For what it's worth, my opinion is...ummm...maybe get the 'pad. Only because the iPad 3 is nicer than the 2nd gen Galaxy Tab. The 1st gen Tab is pretty good for what you can get them for and if you compare that to the iPad 2, the Tab is better.

BUT, I do have a problem with the closed system of Apple on their smart devices. I have a shit load of apps on my 'droid phone that I have to pay on the 'pad. For this reason, I brought the company a Nexus 7. It would have been easier to get an iPad as we can run our database on an iPad piss easy but we'll just have to do some work arounds.

Personally and for the business we have Mac computers, I got the boss an iPhone, we have 'Droid phones, have an iPad 2 and, like I said, just brought a Nexus 7. So you can say I'm pretty unbiased. The iPhone was brought because the boss wasn't tech savvy. Now she is and that's why I moved to the Nexus.

In my opinion, if someone wants shit loads of apps and doesn't want to pay anything AND doesn't want to play geek on their device, 'Droid is the way to go.

HenryDorsetCase

1st October 2012, 12:28

Right you droids, convince me why I should buy a Galaxy Tab 10.1 over the iPad 3.
Nows your chance to sway me & you've got some uphill work to do.

I want to know why a Galaxy Tab would be "better" than an iPad, why should I "be assimilated" & things like "you can get to root" or "it has 'faster' specs" ain't gonna cut it I'm not interested in any of that I'm only interested in user experience.

So lets have it, convince me.

its not Apple.

thats really the only reason. All I do on mine is random interdweeb searching and looking at youtube. Its great for that. Plus digital magazines.

bogan

1st October 2012, 12:40

Fair enough, I just don't like it when people who know fuck all start trying to pretend that they know better than me when they barely know how to turn a computer on. The majority of Apple fans don't even know what a command line is, let alone how to use one, yet they still think that they know it all and that their product of choice is far superior to everything else (by the way, I'm far from an expert and I'm not trying to pretend to be like one). When I ask why they can't even justify their answer with anything more than spewing out marketing drivel that they saw on a bus stop or a TV ad.

You're still ignoring customer requirements. The marketing things like ease of use etc, are far more important to the client than a command line interface; learn to talk to the client about things they value. The quality of a product is always related to its intended use, not just how you could use it.

blairnz

1st October 2012, 15:30

SimJen

1st October 2012, 15:44

Got two Galaxy Tabs for me and the missus both running the latest Android 4. Great units, use wifi and do most of my "computer use" on them.
I've never bought into the Apple hype and fervent fanboyism!, my father has had both an IPad 1 and 2 and I used them a bit before going android. Didn't really like them to tell the truth, and find Android easier and cheaper for apps and my use.
I do everything I used to do on my PC, bar Autocad and Photoshop type stuff.
It also comes with an Office app that is 100% compatible with MS stuff, Word and Excel etc.
Ironic that Samsung make the chips for Apple, but they are in a big stand off over their products!

SMOKEU

1st October 2012, 15:50

You're still ignoring customer requirements. The marketing things like ease of use etc, are far more important to the client than a command line interface; learn to talk to the client about things they value. The quality of a product is always related to its intended use, not just how you could use it.

That's not the point, all I'm recommending is a much better product for a cheaper price. What's wrong with that?

Milts

1st October 2012, 16:10

Another impressive alternative (not that you're looking for one) is the Asus Transformer Prime:

http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-prime/features/

It's an android tablet, with a docking keyboard/touchpad, which also adds USB ports and about 10 hours extra battery life.

As others have mentioned, Apples are much more locked down, which impacts anything you produce (e.g. if you write a book using some of the apple novel writing software, you can ONLY sell it via iTunes - you can't then go get it published by a typical book publisher). It also impacts the apps which are available to you. Perhaps the biggest issue with this (IMO) is they choose to 'lock out' other people's apps, such as blocking you from downloading Google Maps. And if someone looks to be developing something extremely popular for cheap, they'll either buy it out and up the price or block it completely (Siri was going to be available on iPhone 4: Apple bought them out, and made it iphone 4S exclusive).

Android also seems to handle multi tasking better, and if you ever want to use the device for more than 'consuming', it tends to do that better too. Given the range of manufacturers of android tablets you also have a wider choice of suppliers and prices.

bogan

1st October 2012, 16:25

That's not the point, all I'm recommending is a much better product for a cheaper price. What's wrong with that?

What is wrong with that is you are recommending a better product for yourself. Think about it from their point of view, somebody is saying they recommend a better product, but uses CLI and over-clocking etc to justify why it is better. People who don't care about that stuff think your justification is as useful to them, as bus advertising is to you. I'll say it again cos its an important point "The quality of a product is always related to its intended use, not just how you could use it"

onearmedbandit

1st October 2012, 16:42

That's not the point, all I'm recommending is a much better product for a cheaper price. What's wrong with that?

Chris, to make a sale sometimes you have to sell the customer what they actually want. It's as simple as that. If a client comes onto my yard and tells me they want a BMW coupe yet they have two child seats to fit into the back, I might ask if they have considered a 4dr. If they insist on the coupe because of it's styling, then I'm selling them the coupe. Otherwise they'll walk off to another yard to buy exactly what they want. You have to take 'you' out of the equation.

SMOKEU

1st October 2012, 17:22

What is wrong with that is you are recommending a better product for yourself. Think about it from their point of view, somebody is saying they recommend a better product, but uses CLI and over-clocking etc to justify why it is better. People who don't care about that stuff think your justification is as useful to them, as bus advertising is to you. I'll say it again cos its an important point "The quality of a product is always related to its intended use, not just how you could use it"

OK then, for the "average n00b", how is spending close to double the money on a similar performing product going to result in a better experience for that user? I'm looking for a purely technical reason why Apple gear is so much better than everything else, not just "the guy at the Apple shop said it's the best" or "my friend has one and it looks really cool". I'm not saying that all Apple products are necessarily bad (some of them are pretty good), but how can you justify the extra price to someone who doesn't even know what a web browser is? What exactly is that extra money buying you, other than a brand name?

I have also installed OSX Lion on my computer at home (VMWare ftw), and I quite enjoyed using it to be honest. I found it a nice OS to use in general, with a nice "refined" feel, but I could not find any reason to justify spending over double the money for a computer that has very similar specs, just so you know.

Chris, to make a sale sometimes you have to sell the customer what they actually want. It's as simple as that. If a client comes onto my yard and tells me they want a BMW coupe yet they have two child seats to fit into the back, I might ask if they have considered a 4dr. If they insist on the coupe because of it's styling, then I'm selling them the coupe. Otherwise they'll walk off to another yard to buy exactly what they want. You have to take 'you' out of the equation.

Fair enough.

bogan

1st October 2012, 17:52

I'm looking for a purely technical reason

And that's the issue.

I can understand wanting to take the brand image out of the equation when comparing devices, the whole iThing means i'mCool doesn't do it for me either. But to most users the physical look/feel of it is important, having intuitive software is also very important. Machined from aluminium extrusion (I assume they still do this) won't show up on your tech spec list, but it does make a difference in heat dissipation, durability, weight/size, feel and build quality. If they are previous apple owners then sticking with apple products is a function thing as well as a brand thing. I am the opposite, apple laptops piss me off cos the mouse buttons are set up weird. But I've also compared specs, and apple stuff is pretty up there in not just tech specs like processing power and memory size, but reliability as well, which is hard to put a price on. Personally I go with Asus gear whenever I can afford it, its about 15-25% more expensive than similar spec stuff, but in my experience more reliable and less buggy than the other brands. And as Milts showed, they make neat stuff too.

Winston001

1st October 2012, 18:15

Plus digital magazines.

Magazines eh nudge nudge wink wink.

Your wife gov, she likes magazines? Photography candid snaps know wot I mean?? She a goer eh?

SMOKEU

1st October 2012, 18:42

And that's the issue.

I can understand wanting to take the brand image out of the equation when comparing devices, the whole iThing means i'mCool doesn't do it for me either. But to most users the physical look/feel of it is important, having intuitive software is also very important. Machined from aluminium extrusion (I assume they still do this) won't show up on your tech spec list, but it does make a difference in heat dissipation, durability, weight/size, feel and build quality. If they are previous apple owners then sticking with apple products is a function thing as well as a brand thing. I am the opposite, apple laptops piss me off cos the mouse buttons are set up weird. But I've also compared specs, and apple stuff is pretty up there in not just tech specs like processing power and memory size, but reliability as well, which is hard to put a price on. Personally I go with Asus gear whenever I can afford it, its about 15-25% more expensive than similar spec stuff, but in my experience more reliable and less buggy than the other brands. And as Milts showed, they make neat stuff too.

I agree with all the above, except for the tech specs. While many of their products do have good hardware, they are often (but not always) 1 or 2 generations behind the competition. Just look at the Apple NZ website, they are still selling Mac Pros with 5 series ATI (3 year old) video cards, and these are in computers costing $4k+. One would expect for that price more modern hardware, not just for the performance, but power consumption, too. That was just one example.

Also the iPhone 4S has 512MB of RAM (correct me if I'm wrong). My sub $200 Android phone has the same amount of RAM. Why? Now I know that 512MB is plenty for the OS for most users, but the competition (at a much cheaper price sometimes) has double that amount. The 4S also has a dual core CPU rather than a quad core like the Galaxy S3 has (and yes, I know that makes fuck all difference for 95% of users). It also needs iTunes to sync with Windows (why can't it be used as a plug and play mass storage device? That would save having to buy a large capacity USB flash drive). It's also more expensive than the Galaxy S3. If you don't need the latest and greatest, then why pay for the latest and greatest when you could either get something just as good for a few hundred $ less, or buy the S3 and get a better phone?

bogan

1st October 2012, 19:16

I agree with all the above, except for the tech specs. While many of their products do have good hardware, they are often (but not always) 1 or 2 generations behind the competition. Just look at the Apple NZ website, they are still selling Mac Pros with 5 series ATI (3 year old) video cards, and these are in computers costing $4k+. One would expect for that price more modern hardware, not just for the performance, but power consumption, too. That was just one example.

Those seem more setup as workstation than gaming rigs, is the 5 series well suited to stream processing and other workstation tasks?

Also the iPhone 4S has 512MB of RAM (correct me if I'm wrong). My sub $200 Android phone has the same amount of RAM. Why? Now I know that 512MB is plenty for the OS for most users, but the competition (at a much cheaper price sometimes) has double that amount. The 4S also has a dual core CPU rather than a quad core like the Galaxy S3 has (and yes, I know that makes fuck all difference for 95% of users). It also needs iTunes to sync with Windows (why can't it be used as a plug and play mass storage device? That would save having to buy a large capacity USB flash drive). It's also more expensive than the Galaxy S3. If you don't need the latest and greatest, then why pay for the latest and greatest when you could either get something just as good for a few hundred $ less, or buy the S3 and get a better phone?

Try instead of comparing the spec numbers, just put a tick or cross to indicate whether it is adequate or not, then continue with the comparison; it would be a good way for you to get into the mindset of people who do choose these products.
Part of Apples marketing is that it works with other apple devices really well, so making it into a general purpose USB stick would impair that functionality.

SMOKEU

1st October 2012, 19:21

Those seem more setup as workstation than gaming rigs, is the 5 series well suited to stream processing and other workstation tasks?

Part of Apples marketing is that it works with other apple devices really well, so making it into a general purpose USB stick would impair that functionality.

Yes but not as well as the current series cards. Also, there is this amazing thing called "copy and paste" which I can use to snyc my Android phone with a Windows or Linux computer. It's a fascinating part of the OS that actually allows you to transfer data to and from a device without needing any third party software.

Out of interest, what is the iOS command line like? I've played around with the Android ones but I'm interested in knowing what the iOS one is like.

mashman

1st October 2012, 19:23

Right you droids, convince me why I should buy a Galaxy Tab 10.1 over the iPad 3.
Nows your chance to sway me & you've got some uphill work to do.

I want to know why a Galaxy Tab would be "better" than an iPad, why should I "be assimilated" & things like "you can get to root" or "it has 'faster' specs" ain't gonna cut it I'm not interested in any of that I'm only interested in user experience.

So lets have it, convince me.

So did you get it yet? I wanna read the "you shoulda got the XXXXXXX" conversation, as the "you should get the XXXXXXX" conversation is getting boring. I'm sure it'll have a completely different spin on it.

bogan

1st October 2012, 19:31

Yes but not as well as the current series cards. Also, there is this amazing thing called "copy and paste" which I can use to snyc my Android phone with a Windows or Linux computer. It's a fascinating part of the OS that actually allows you to transfer data to and from a device without needing any third party software.

Does 'copy and paste' do it automatically? does it skip files that are the same without a prompt? does it sync calendar and phone contacts?

One of the best apps for my android phone is sweethome, which uses a standard windows network share to store all my photos (or any other files I want) from the phone to computer completely automatically. This functionality is much more important to me than having a few more mb ram or more ghz processing; as its and end function, so its a tickable box.

Scuba_Steve

1st October 2012, 19:51

If it's for a lady, I'd recommend the Microsoft Surface, the Windows 8 tablet that is coming out later this month.

Why?
- ease of use
- useful things, like Microsoft Office, with it, too, making it easy to use for study, work, home
- simple to use informative and pretty live tile system
- The magnetic flip cover you can get with it is also a keyboard so you don't waste screen space with a virtual keyboard if you don't want to
- importantly for her, they come in a shit load of colours

Furthermore it looks like it is going to be sold ridiculously cheap, too, to help break it out in to the market.

Might wanna revisit my post #3

Another impressive alternative (not that you're looking for one) is the Asus Transformer Prime:

Had a play with these... Not impressed! would not waste my money there. The only other brand I was considering was Sony Xperia S but as mentioned I think the Apple is the best for purpose.

I agree with all the above, except for the tech specs. While many of their products do have good hardware, they are often (but not always) 1 or 2 generations behind the competition. Just look at the Apple NZ website, they are still selling Mac Pros with 5 series ATI (3 year old) video cards, and these are in computers costing $4k+. One would expect for that price more modern hardware, not just for the performance, but power consumption, too. That was just one example.

Also the iPhone 4S has 512MB of RAM (correct me if I'm wrong). My sub $200 Android phone has the same amount of RAM. Why? Now I know that 512MB is plenty for the OS for most users, but the competition (at a much cheaper price sometimes) has double that amount. The 4S also has a dual core CPU rather than a quad core like the Galaxy S3 has (and yes, I know that makes fuck all difference for 95% of users). It also needs iTunes to sync with Windows (why can't it be used as a plug and play mass storage device? That would save having to buy a large capacity USB flash drive). It's also more expensive than the Galaxy S3. If you don't need the latest and greatest, then why pay for the latest and greatest when you could either get something just as good for a few hundred $ less, or buy the S3 and get a better phone?

Apple quite often have "bleeding edge" (or close to it) HW when they 1st come out, but unlike other companies Apple have a set model list, only do annual upgrades & doesn't drop price throughout the year.
As for your specs example on phones, for those sort of devices it's the experience not the specs. Fact is Apple's pulling similar results with lesser specs. Your always 1st to point out how linux can manage that over Windows, but then seem to ignore the fact Apples managing it against Android.

So did you get it yet? I wanna read the "you shoulda got the XXXXXXX" conversation, as the "you should get the XXXXXXX" conversation is getting boring. I'm sure it'll have a completely different spin on it.

Na not yet. Now I'm wondering if it's worth the wait for the (assumed coming) A6 model before buying, Tho I don't expect that till March/April next year so that could be a bit too far away

Quasievil

1st October 2012, 20:00

I Brought a Toshiba AT100, I brought it as it did everything all the others did BUT it had Ports, SD, HDMI, USB etc so I can do alot more than you can with a Ipad.

As it happens im selling it as I need a laptop to do Adobe Illustrator stuff
if of interest to anyone $400 for tablet, two extra covers, docking stn, leather case
http://www.wheedle.co.nz/Search/ItemDetails/4363

SMOKEU

1st October 2012, 20:04

Does 'copy and paste' do it automatically? does it skip files that are the same without a prompt? does it sync calendar and phone contacts?

One of the best apps for my android phone is sweethome, which uses a standard windows network share to store all my photos (or any other files I want) from the phone to computer completely automatically. This functionality is much more important to me than having a few more mb ram or more ghz processing; as its and end function, so its a tickable box.

A simple Robocopy script could do that, and I'm sure one of the *nix geeks will come along soon enough and show us a bash script to do the same thing.

bogan

1st October 2012, 20:10

A simple Robocopy script could do that, and I'm sure one of the *nix geeks will come along soon enough and show us a bash script to do the same thing.

:facepalm: Are you being deliberately obtuse?

SMOKEU

1st October 2012, 20:12

:facepalm: Are you being deliberately obtuse?

I forgot to mention that even Facebook can be accessed via command line (https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=powershell+facebook+module&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb). That's winning.

Gremlin

1st October 2012, 21:44

Apple quite often have "bleeding edge" (or close to it) HW when they 1st come out, but unlike other companies Apple have a set model list, only do annual upgrades & doesn't drop price throughout the year.
As for your specs example on phones, for those sort of devices it's the experience not the specs. Fact is Apple's pulling similar results with lesser specs. Your always 1st to point out how linux can manage that over Windows, but then seem to ignore the fact Apples managing it against Android.
Bit of an aside to your original question, but anyway. While this was previously true, Android and makers of phones using it have been on a rapid development, coming a very long way especially in the last year. Devices Apple are bringing out now are tending to match the market, rather than push the boundaries. Problem of course is that in a few months it will be behind again.

Technology like NFC are out in Android devices already. For Apple, NFC is expected in the next iPhone, as the 5 brings out their passbook/passport thingy...

ckai

6th October 2012, 13:24

As it happens im selling it as I need a laptop to do Adobe Illustrator stuff
if of interest to anyone $400 for tablet, two extra covers, docking stn, leather case
http://www.wheedle.co.nz/Search/ItemDetails/4363

Where you selling it now? ;) Seems a bloody good price.

Quasievil

8th October 2012, 19:45

Where you selling it now? ;) Seems a bloody good price.

Sold over the weekend bro, it was a bloody good price :yes:

Scuba_Steve

8th October 2012, 20:23

Where you selling it now? ;) Seems a bloody good price.

if your interested 1-day has a Toshiba Thrive for 380$ (http://www.1-day.co.nz/products/AAIDDN2AU) only 8GB but they have SD slots if you want bigger (tho I hear alot of apps don't like the exp slot too much)

ckai

9th October 2012, 09:07

if your interested 1-day has a Toshiba Thrive for 380$ (http://www.1-day.co.nz/products/AAIDDN2AU) only 8GB but they have SD slots if you want bigger (tho I hear alot of apps don't like the exp slot too much)

To be honest, it was a bit of a dig at Wheedle (although I'm waiting for them to get sorted again), a little out of interests sake, and a little "mmm maybe".

I notice those 1-day ones have gone. $380 seemed good. 8GB isn't a problem when you have a slot, ya just stick all your media on the card and leave you apps to use the 8GB. That's the way I do it on my phone.

Quasievil

9th October 2012, 10:26

To be honest, it was a bit of a dig at Wheedle (although I'm waiting for them to get sorted again), a little out of interests sake, and a little "mmm maybe".

I notice those 1-day ones have gone. $380 seemed good. 8GB isn't a problem when you have a slot, ya just stick all your media on the card and leave you apps to use the 8GB. That's the way I do it on my phone.

To BE honest I fucking hated my Tablet, what a pain in the arse, you accidently touch the scree and you end up somewhere you didnt want to go, SOLD and I brought a Laptop, much better me thinks, tablets are for homos !

ckai

9th October 2012, 12:57

SMOKEU

9th October 2012, 16:00

Quasievil

9th October 2012, 16:25

serious issue of pebkac going on there.

............pebkac ??

SMOKEU

9th October 2012, 18:07

............pebkac ??

Google it.

Brian d marge

9th October 2012, 18:20

For me , I use an Aser A500 android ics ,aser is not so hot on the upgrades and after care bug fix, but cheap and for me very usable, Morning coffee , banging though emails , STL viewer KB ( but here is the let down , the browser is terrible, you tube takes an age , KB is a pain to reply to..... not user friendly IMHO ( usable ,,ok but could be better )

other than that it goes everywhere and the laptop tends to stay home,

Apple , nice software if you use it as intended, perfect for the wife who just wants to browse and email , itunes suxs goat ballz and even more so that this is a Linux household... ( I have xp on a virtual machine ...unclean , unclean ,,,,,)

wife loves here iphone ...

Stephen

Quasievil

9th October 2012, 20:28

Ok Got it, I feel Technology should make things easier, if it doesnt its no good, thats the way I viewed my Tablet experience with my requirements. there were about 5 things that it had issues doing, of those 5 things 5 of them I did regulary and it was bad at it, for example..........HDMI movie feeds, Loading Photos, It couldnt do Photoshop, kept losing Wireless connection even tho the wireless worked well with everything else.
Sorry for me it was no good.

Berries

9th October 2012, 23:04

To BE honest I fucking hated my Tablet, what a pain in the arse, you accidently touch the scree and you end up somewhere you didnt want to go, SOLD and I brought a Laptop, much better me thinks, tablets are for homos !
I was watching the advert for some tablet tonight. Hmmm nice big screen. Why not make it an inch bigger? And perhaps have a fold out keyboard as well. There you, back to a laptop in only a couple of years. Saved myself from that particular consumerism wankfest.

SMOKEU

10th October 2012, 08:36

Ok Got it, I feel Technology should make things easier, if it doesnt its no good,

Since people are demanding more and more features, that only increases complexity, and with increasing complexity, comes a bigger risk of cross platform compatibility and programming errors. Most of the time the problem really is PEBKAC.

Winston001

10th October 2012, 17:30

I was watching the advert for some tablet tonight. Hmmm nice big screen. Why not make it an inch bigger? And perhaps have a fold out keyboard as well. There you, back to a laptop in only a couple of years. Saved myself from that particular consumerism wankfest.

LOL agreed. Admittedly a tablet is a lot smaller and lighter, thus easier to carry than a laptop. Wouldn't a net-book give you most of the benefits of a tablet plus a much better processor?

bogan

10th October 2012, 17:40

Most of the time the problem really is PEBKAC.

Which most of the time is a symptom of bad software, bad design, or bad install/setup.

SMOKEU

10th October 2012, 17:58

Which most of the time is a symptom of bad software, bad design, or bad install/setup.

The number of people I've seen who can't even open a web browser and do a Google search or do a simple virus scan suggests that many people are just plain old incompetent with these things, particularly older people (although I have met quite a few older people who are really onto it with these things). There's only a certain amount that software can be "dumbed down" to before it loses all functionality. People are also getting so lazy and stupid that they need third party software just to copy pictures from a camera onto their hard drive. Just look at the Trademe message boards in the computing section.

bogan

10th October 2012, 18:11

The number of people I've seen who can't even open a web browser and do a Google search or do a simple virus scan suggests that many people are just plain old incompetent with these things, particularly older people (although I have met quite a few older people who are really onto it with these things). There's only a certain amount that software can be "dumbed down" to before it loses all functionality. People are also getting so lazy and stupid that they need third party software just to copy pictures from a camera onto their hard drive. Just look at the Trademe message boards in the computing section.

I'm not talking about people who don't know how to use a computer, obviously there need to be some base knowledge. But a lot of software is nowhere near as intuitive to use or setup as it should be. Getting compatibility between devices is often a difficult task, which it shouldn't be. Sure in both cases IT guys can suss it out easily and call it PEBKAC, but ultimately it is a problem that only exists because others half-assed the job.

I use third party software for the above, I just don't see any point repeating the same task every time I take some pictures when the computer can do it for me; isn't half the point of computers to make things easier?