Rego with no papers

[chinny]

How hard is it to register a bike with no papers?
I'm looking around at older bikes - many have no papers; just a bike with a frame number.

I'm hoping someone here has tried tackling this and has some words to offer?
Maybe even some indication of costs...

[FJRider]

How hard is it to register a bike with no papers?
I'm looking around at older bikes - many have no papers; just a bike with a frame number.

I'm hoping someone here has tried tackling this and has some words to offer?
Maybe even some indication of costs...

You mean NOT in the system ... ??

Look in the forums ... there have already been threads on this subject.

Search button top right.

[captain hopeless]

Did this two months ago with a 70s bike that had dropped out of the system. You need

(a) proof that you are the rightful owner of the bucket of bolts in question, and
(b) proof that the bike was imported into NZ and complied with whichever standards of the time.

For (a) you can use a JP witnessed declaration, or letter from previous owner. For (b) I had to phone the importer, give them the frame number, and have them send me a letter confirming the bike's importation. You'll also need a couple of hundred dollars for a wof inspection, in addition to the licence fee (with new licence plate) as per NZTA website.

Andrew

[chinny]

Cheers - did the search. Came up with a few good reads but no definite 'yes it is possible'. Found a few people who tried but couldn't do it at all. Seems to vary depending on circumstance and inspection body/company.

Andrew - thanks for sharing. For (b), i guess you already knew who the importer was? If not, how did you track them down? For some of the bikes i am interested in i would be guessing who the importer was.

[captain hopeless]

It was a guess. In my case Blue Wing Honda had seen the bike 40 years ago. Or they were in possession of the records, at least. Just begin with some enquiries at the marque's major store, or head office etc

[FJRider]

It was a guess. In my case Blue Wing Honda had seen the bike 40 years ago. Or they were in possession of the records, at least. Just begin with some enquiries at the marque's major store, or head office etc

You can google the chassis number to find the year it was imported. And then find out who imported them. All records of imports will still be held ... but older ones on hard-copy only. Time consuming (Read ... expensive to get anybody to look)

The key is to keep asking for alternative solutions to the requirements asked for.

[BMWST?]

Cheers - did the search. Came up with a few good reads but no definite 'yes it is possible'. Found a few people who tried but couldn't do it at all. Seems to vary depending on circumstance and inspection body/company.

Andrew - thanks for sharing. For (b), i guess you already knew who the importer was? If not, how did you track them down? For some of the bikes i am interested in i would be guessing who the importer was.

what make model year is the bike...somebody here may have some knowledge of who the importers were

[chinny]

No particular model, frame number at the moment.

Update:
I checked with the local VIN station and talked to the guy doing motorbike VINs. As far as i can tell, this is what they require for the VIN inspection (your mileage may vary):
-No Police checks/cert anymore...
-Instead you need a statutory declaration witnessed by a JP (forms available from VIN station)
-Something to confirm bike model/year, or any other dating info
-Bill of Sale (or similar piece of paper) signed by seller and buyer (maybe the stat declaration covers this)
-Brake declaration/inspection by another garage, if bike has never been registered on road even for pre 1990 bikes.

He pretty much said there shouldn't be any reason i couldn't get a bike without papers on the road, so long as you get the above sorted.
So that's a starting point and gives me some confidence that no bike should be 'un-registerable'.
Cheers.

[onestop]

Hi
I have been trying to do this with a bmw 1974 that was imported from the usa 15 years ago but has never been vinned in nz, I had to do a altenative ownership form that was passed by the LTSA but they now say I need proof of when it was imported import papers of some sort and without these I can not have the bike vinned would be interested to know how I can get around this. VTNZ still charged me for trying.

[neels]

Have a look here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/105993-How-to-get-a-deregistered-bike-on-the-road

The option I went with for my old scooter was to do it through the vintage car club, they did a declaration for re-registration that met the requirements of the inspection people.

[Waipukbiker]

I went through this process about a year ago with 1981 KL250 and had to do the following:

a, Proof that the bike was sold new in NZ (Kawasaki NZ were very good in tracking down the records and sent me written
confirmation of this.

b, Police check

c, Brake declaration, Check to make sure that the internal drum diameters were within factory spec and the lining
thickness was also within spec and that the linings wernt from the likes of Hoo flung dung in China.

d, The bike had to meet current WOF requirements.

The cost of the VIN check was around $150 plus WOF which they do as part of the check.
The minimum period for initial rego was 6 months (this may have changed)
Bikes have to be 40 years or more to get reduced rego now.

[onestop]

Hi
I have been trying to do this with a bmw 1974 that was imported from the usa 15 years ago but has never been vinned in nz, I had to do a altenative ownership form that was passed by the LTSA but they now say I need proof of when it was imported import papers of some sort and without these I can not have the bike vinned would be interested to know how I can get around this. VTNZ still charged me for trying.

I have now managed to get this vinned and legaly on the road
I went back to the VTNZ and asked for a refund as they couldn,t do the vinning and was passed over to the Manager and he said let me put this to VTNZ tectnical area and see what they can came up with Well they did good and got permission to go ahead and vinned my bike .
So any body else trying ask to talk to the Manager and also ask if there technical area can look into the problem