Dealing with criminals in Florida

[Banditbandit]

Polk County Florida Sheriff - "You kill a policeman it means no arrest...no Miranda rights...no negotiations...nothing but as many bullets as we can shoot into you...PERIOD."




POLK COUNTY FLORIDA SHERIFF, GRADY JUDD


An illegal alien, in Polk County , Florida , who got pulled over in a routine traffic stop, ended up "executing" the deputy who stopped him. The deputy was shot eight times, including once behind his right ear at close range. Another deputy was wounded and a police dog killed. A state-wide manhunt ensued.

The murderer was found hiding in a wooded area. As soon as he took a shot at the SWAT team, officers opened fire on him. They hit the guy 68 times.

Naturally, the liberal media went nuts and asked why they had to shoot the poor, undocumented immigrant 68 times.

Sheriff Grady Judd told the Orlando Sentinel: "Because that's all the ammunition we had.."
Now, is that just about the all-time greatest answer or what!

The Coroner also reported that the illegal alien died of natural causes. When asked by a reporter how that could be, since there were 68 bullet wounds in his body, he simply replied: (BEST QUOTE ever) . . .."When you are shot 68 times you are naturally gonna die."

[SMOKEU]

They'd easily get away with it in an area full of pissed off, white trash redneck conservatives.

[Fatjim]

Ran out of ammo is an old quote. Apparently the SAS had the same remark for a terrorist shot in Gibraltar quite a few years ago.

Just think of all the NZ cops who just wish they could just once in their life wheel that gem out in court.

[Banditbandit]

Ran out of ammo is an old quote. Apparently the SAS had the same remark for a terrorist shot in Gibraltar quite a few years ago.

Just think of all the NZ cops who just wish they could just once in their life wheel that gem out in court.

Our cops are such useless shots that they might get one round into an offender out of 68 fired ...

[Milts]

Our cops are such useless shots that they might get one round into an offender out of 68 fired ...

Sorry, are you implying the US cops are any better? Remember the shooting in New York lately where they killed one criminal and wounded nine bystanders?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/nyregion/bystanders-shooting-wounds-caused-by-the-police.html?pagewanted=all

[scumdog]

Our cops are such useless shots that they might get one round into an offender out of 68 fired ...


Hell, you almost make that sound unacceptable...

I suppose you expect them to be as frugal with the petrol in their cars...

[Scuba_Steve]

Our cops are such useless shots that they might get one round into an offender out of 68 fired ...

NEW Zealand police fired their guns 12 times at a snarling rottweiler during a domestic dispute but missed every time
Asked why police fired so many shots at the dog, Insp Spence said shooting at moving things in real life was different to shooting at targets at the range. <-- wow Really? :rolleyes:


Hell, you almost make that sound unacceptable...

I suppose you expect them to be as frugal with the petrol in their cars...

Yes...
"Police call off pursuit after 100m in an attempt to save fuel" - I'd be happy with that :shifty:

[RDJ]

Sorry, are you implying the US cops are any better? Remember the shooting in New York lately where they killed one criminal and wounded nine bystanders?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/nyregion/bystanders-shooting-wounds-caused-by-the-police.html?pagewanted=all

What do you expect from Nanny State Supreme New York?

[Banditbandit]

Hell, you almost make that sound unacceptable...

I suppose you expect them to be as frugal with the petrol in their cars...

Naa ... whether you are frugal with petrol or not as minimal impact on the rest of us ...

But just ask Halatau Naitoko's family how inmportant it is for police to be able to hit what they shoot at ... (How far away from the ofender was the cop when he missed adn hit Naitoko? I believe he was on the back of a truck and shooting through the back window at the driver?)

[Banditbandit]

Sorry, are you implying the US cops are any better? Remember the shooting in New York lately where they killed one criminal and wounded nine bystanders?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/nyregion/bystanders-shooting-wounds-caused-by-the-police.html?pagewanted=all

I'm not implying that at all ... US cops are good arguments for NOT arming the police ... I'm suggesting that IF our popos do have guns, then they must be able to shoot a fuck of a lot better than the majority of them can at present ...

There's the couple of examples cited .. and (awhile ago now, admittedly) a cop in Napier with a hand gun missed a German Shepherd leaping across the bonnet of a car (dog can't have been more than nine feet from the cop). The bullet hit a driveway and slammed through a house to hit a wall just above a couch where a baby was sleeping ... Fuck me ...

[SMOKEU]

But just ask Halatau Naitoko's family how inmportant it is for police to be able to hit what they shoot at ... (How far away from the ofender was the cop when he missed adn hit Naitoko? I believe he was on the back of a truck and shooting through the back window at the driver?)

Would it have been preferable to let a dangerous offender escape? There's always a fine balance in law enforcement between apprehending the offender and minimizing danger to the public in doing so. Often the danger to the public can't be minimized without the offender being in custody, so they have to do something. Maybe more regular and intensive firearms training is in order then. I say give the cops .22LR pistols to practice with because at least the ammo is dirt cheap compared to centrefire rounds.

[Banditbandit]

Would it have been preferable to let a dangerous offender escape? There's always a fine balance in law enforcement between apprehending the offender and minimizing danger to the public in doing so. Often the danger to the public can't be minimized without the offender being in custody, so they have to do something. Maybe more regular and intensive firearms training is in order then. I say give the cops .22LR pistols to practice with because at least the ammo is dirt cheap compared to centrefire rounds.

Yes .. can always catch him later ... A police fuck up cost an innocent man his life ...

[SMOKEU]

Yes .. can always catch him later ... A police fuck up cost an innocent man his life ...

And let the criminal continue their crime spree for the next few weeks or months until they're caught, dramatically increasing the amount of police man hours involved and exponentially increasing the number of potential victims? I think we have a winning solution here for the PC greenies.

How would you like to have a dangerous offender who may be a rapist or murderer roaming around your hood while your kids are out playing, all because some left wing bullshit prevented the cops from apprehending the criminal? I bet if your kids were to then get molested or your house burgled by said person, you'd have a slightly different attitude.

[Banditbandit]

And let the criminal continue their crime spree for the next few weeks or months until they're caught, dramatically increasing the amount of police man hours involved and exponentially increasing the number of potential victims? I think we have a winning solution here for the PC greenies.

How would you like to have a dangerous offender who may be a rapist or murderer roaming around your hood while your kids are out playing, all because some left wing bullshit prevented the cops from apprehending the criminal? I bet if your kids were to then get molested or your house burgled by said person, you'd have a slightly different attitude.

Fuck .. you really have no clues at all ... I've never said don't shoot the fuckers ...

Shoot the fucker of course, but if you are going to shoot the fucker ... make sure you can shoot the fucker !!!

How would you like to have a dangerous armed police officer who can't hit what he aims at roaming around your hood while your kids are out playing ... well - you have them now

You think I'm some left wing liberal ??? You dumb shit ... I may be left wing ... But I also support the death penatly for serious offences .. . some people deserve a bullet in the head ... the two ideas (leftwing and support for the death penalty) are not mutually exclusive ...

[ducatilover]

Mount a couple of Barret .50s on the cop cars here. I won't be arguing

[PeloNZ]

2006 called, and all that...
http://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/judd.asp

[Milts]

Yes .. can always catch him later ... A police fuck up cost an innocent man his life ...

I'm actually completely with you on this. Taking the example of the shooter in New York where the cops hit 9 others, he had shot one person (who had fired him) and was just walking along the path. If, rather than confront him, the police had ID'd him or followed until he was in a clearer area, they may have saved a lot of pain.

That said, given the widespread examples of police missing at close rage, I think it's more likely that they are put in near impossible situations than that they are completely incompetent. I wouldn't know though...


2006 called, and all that...
http://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/judd.asp

Nice link.

[Road kill]

Back on track.

We ran out of ammo !,,,,,,:killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme:ki llingme:killingme

[pzkpfw]

From the Snopes link (my emphasis):


... Freeland remained under the oak tree overnight, where a 10-member SWAT team found him the next morning. When they saw Freeland raise his right hand clutching a gun (one they would later learn belonged to the slain deputy), nine of the ten officers fired, hitting him with 68 of 110 shots. ...

Highly trained, yet only 62% of shots hit their target.

Not criticising, just adding my vote to the don't fire if potential harm to bystanders will be worse than if not firing folk.

(In the Freeland case, he was in woods; so they could have chucked grenades at him for all I care.)

[Fatjim]

I say give the cops .22LR pistols to practice with because at least the ammo is dirt cheap compared to centrefire rounds.

Love it, training guns.

First you get a wooden handgun.
then you get a 22LR.
Then you get a Glock.



On another note, the cops expect the public to

Rule 1: Treat every firearm as loaded
Rule 2: Always point firearms in a safe direction
Rule 3: Load a firearm only when ready to fire
Rule 4: Identify your target beyond all doubt
Rule 5: Check your firing zone
Rule 6: Store firearms and ammunition safely
Rule 7: Avoid alcohol and drugs when handling firearms

Anyone not doing the above, regardless of the colour of their pants, should be held to that. The choice to fire when not safe (as judged by the above rules) is not one to be taken lightly.

[scumdog]

Naa ... whether you are frugal with petrol or not as minimal impact on the rest of us ...

But just ask Halatau Naitoko's family how inmportant it is for police to be able to hit what they shoot at ... (How far away from the ofender was the cop when he missed adn hit Naitoko? I believe he was on the back of a truck and shooting through the back window at the driver?)


Hmm, dealing with humans - so sadly eventually there was bound to be a cluster-fuck.

Not good for the poor innocent guy and his family, not good at all - but life can be so unfair at times (regardless of training etc...)

[Fatjim]

but life can be so unfair at times

Like choosing to prosecute a father wanting to visit his sons grave. Either the cops fucked up, or the papers got this wrong.

I'm all for giving the cops a bit of slack, because they operate in a grey area all the time. Would be nice if they gave us a bit of slack sometimes as well.

[schrodingers cat]

Mount a couple of Barret .50s on the cop cars here. I won't be arguing

But think of the folks in jeopardy for up to 2km out the other side of the poor bugger they'd shot holes THROUGH

[scumdog]

I'm all for giving the cops a bit of slack, because they operate in a grey area all the time. Would be nice if they gave us a bit of slack sometimes as well.

They do - lots.

Only THEY don't say anything in the media...

[Fatjim]

They do - lots.

Only THEY don't say anything in the media...

So did they cock that one up, or did the media give them a bum rap? Whats mising from the story?

[scumdog]

So did they cock that one up, or did the media give them a bum rap? Whats mising from the story?


Oh no, they cocked up alright.

And the media lapped it up.

But I was actually talking about the 'give us a bit of slack sometimes' bit you mentioned...

[scumdog]

2006 called, and all that...
http://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/judd.asp

It never sound as good when it's fact eh!:rolleyes:

[Banditbandit]

They do - lots.

Only THEY don't say anything in the media...


Yes they do. I have certainly experienced police officers "cutting me some slack" .. and yes, it never gets into the media .. and the only comments on forums like this are about how bad the popos are

(or maybe it's just because I'm getting older and the cops are more tolerant of grey haired old bikers - or maybe it's because I dont give them shit on the side of the road any more ...)

[Fatjim]

Not sure I've been let off lately. But haven't had many run ins. Last one was over a year ago, a wanker of a cop in the south island gave me a speeding ticket on the say so of some numpty that didn't like being overtaken and called it in. Wasn't ever going to get off that one. Had the speed alarm on in the rental, so I now I was below 105, still got a ticket for 111 though form a cop coming the other way without radar installed in the car. That guy must have had secret powers.