VF1000f2 not quite dead

[VF1000f2]

further to may last post i found that the engine wasnt seized , I managed to get it her started again and it runs . It is making a real rattle similar to something floating around . It is really quite noisey and have only re started to investage . Can anyone advise would a cam chain and or stripped tensioner cause this. Bearing in mind the bike starts and runs . Any advise would be appreciated.

[FJRider]

further to may last post i found that the engine wasnt seized , I managed to get it her started again and it runs . It is making a real rattle similar to something floating around . It is really quite noisey and have only re started to investage . Can anyone advise would a cam chain and or stripped tensioner cause this. Bearing in mind the bike starts and runs . Any advise would be appreciated.

It could. (In my opinion only) ...

Being a V-twin ... has it one (long) timing chain ... or TWO ... ??

[VF1000f2]

I think it has one long one and from what i here about VF1000f they have a few cam chain tennsioner probs from time to time

[paturoa]

Most siezed motors will start and run after a cool down.

[VF1000f2]

yep dont think it was actually siezed to start with now .. other issues

[VF1000f2]

it actually sounds like something is catching as it is going round

[bogan]

Take the bloody thing apart and have a look then. Turning it over when it sounds like that is only going to fuck it up.

Sometimes the Thudfuckery around here is just unbelievable :(

[AllanB]

Meh - just remove the mufflers so you can't hear the engine noise .................................

[ducatilover]

Take the bloody thing apart and have a look then. Turning it over when it sounds like that is only going to fuck it up.

Sometimes the Thudfuckery around here is just unbelievable :(
:clap::clap::clap::lol::lol::lol::2thumbsup Gold

It could. (In my opinion only) ...

Being a V-twin ... has it one (long) timing chain ... or TWO ... ??
V four
It has two chains and two tensioners, if my brain is working this evening it runs internal spring loaded tensioners
You can still buy the tensioner and assorted parts new from Europe.

I'd be ripping the valve covers off and checking for chain tightness, any bent looking valves etc etc


EDIT:
http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-vf1000f-1984-1000-interceptor-usa_model1117/partslist/E++04.html#results cam chain parts blah blah

[FJRider]

V four ..


I knew that ... :rolleyes:

[ducatilover]

I knew that ... :rolleyes:
271515


You'll have to excuse me, I'm having a horribly sarcastic night :devil2:

[FJRider]

You'll have to excuse me, I'm having a horribly sarcastic night :devil2:

I have them often ... as you may have guessed ... :msn-wink:

[VF1000f2]

hey Bogan you sound like a Dick..... if you are the standard of this forum and kiwi bikers I might go back to might second passion .... teaching karate , care to join me for a lesson

[ducatilover]

:lol::lol::lol:
He had a point though didn't he?

[hayd3n]

most likely cam chain tenchioner , cam chain

[gammaguy]

the engine clearly has major issues

take it out

take it apart

find out whats wrong

fix it......or dont

theres a good chap

and no,there is NO cheap easy cheap ass do it in your tea break fix

have fun

[Sable]

hey Bogan you sound like a Dick..... if you are the standard of this forum and kiwi bikers I might go back to might second passion .... teaching karate , care to join me for a lesson
Threatening people over the internet doesn't work buddy. On here, only your words matter and you are coming across as a keyboard warrior fuckwit.
You're welcome.

[Motig]

Dont take any remarks on here personally, some people just have trouble putting their thoughts diplomatically. Uneducated slobs.

[tri boy]

Early viffer thou's had nasty cam chain tensioners.
There mechanism would slip n slide against the angled locking plate.
Those who repaired them/replaced them knew how to test it in place for 100% confirmation.
The cam chain will be rooted if the tensioner is at fault.
It is a pain in the arse job if you have no experience, and I would follow bogans advice, and not start it again.
Strip and inspect, good luck.:cool:

[Woodman]

Bogan is correct.

Like it or not.

[mossy1200]

I wouldnt assume its the tensioner as the vf1000 ones are bigger and stronger than the 750s and caused less issues.

Have you drained and inspected the oil yet.

It could be something easier yet like a piece of clutch basket.

[bogan]

hey Bogan you sound like a Dick..... if you are the standard of this forum and kiwi bikers I might go back to might second passion .... teaching karate , care to join me for a lesson

Judging from the thread topic, motorcycles everywhere would thank you for it too.

[FJRider]

Judging from the thread topic, motorcycles everywhere would thank you for it too.

It's HIS motorcycle ... and he is completely entitled to fuck it ... or fuck WITH it ... if HE so chooses ...

[bogan]

It's HIS motorcycle ... and he is completely entitled to fuck it ... or fuck WITH it ... if HE so chooses ...

I know, I'm just trying to help. Lets face it, we need to show a little bit more respect to machines so we stand in better stead when Judgement Day comes.

[FJRider]

I know, I'm just trying to help. Lets face it, we need to show a little bit more respect to machines so we stand in better stead when Judgement Day comes.

You've been watching too many Terminator movies ... :rolleyes:

[bogan]

You've been watching too many Terminator documentaries ... :rolleyes:

One was even a congressthing, and that wasn't just a movie now was it.

[ducatilover]

I wouldnt assume its the tensioner as the vf1000 ones are bigger and stronger than the 750s and caused less issues.

Have you drained and inspected the oil yet.

It could be something easier yet like a piece of clutch basket.
This is a good point.
Pull all the covers off and go from there

[spanner spinner]

Have had worked on plenty of these and to once again repeat advice already given that most likely it will be cam chains and tensioners. These are as weak on the 1000's as the 750's both give heaps of trouble. New tensioners and chains will be needed. To be the bringer of more bad news they are also prone to knocking out big ends once they get a few km's under there belt.. Once the rocker covers are lifted also check for worn or breaking up cam and follower faces as they also do this, they wear through the hardening on either the cam or follower then destroy the other part. Mr Honda fixed all these problems with the last of the V4 1000's by putting gear cam drive and fixing the oil system on the VF1000R

[Paul in NZ]

hey Bogan you sound like a Dick..... if you are the standard of this forum and kiwi bikers I might go back to might second passion .... teaching karate , care to join me for a lesson

And if someone turned up at your Dojo insisting repeatedly that you make them a black belt in a week without them putting in the effort you have what would you have to say to them?

In short - these are OK bikes but they had well doccumented issues which have been spelt out. It can be fixed but restarting it every 5 mins aint going to do anything except damage it even more needlessly. There is no magic button on these - they are a complicated engine but it can be done and no - it will not be cheap. Essentially until you fix it then its nearly worthless... I'm sorry, its just the risk with the hugely complex bikes of the period where engineering imagination and excess often outstripped ability.

You will find that if you start to pull it down you will get help here

[VF1000f2]

My point with Bogan was where to start looking ...no good pulling in apart randomnly and my other point was his language I joined this site for some help and advise (which most people have been really helpful) that F word today seems to be a part of everyday talk and some people can find that offensive and un called for. Thanks eveyone else for your advise.

[Paul in NZ]

My point with Bogan was where to start looking ...no good pulling in apart randomnly and my other point was his language I joined this site for some help and advise (which most people have been really helpful) that F word today seems to be a part of everyday talk and some people can find that offensive and un called for. Thanks eveyone else for your advise.

Yup - thats fair enough.

Before you do anything drain the oil and see if any bits fall out.....

[bogan]

I told you where to start looking, on the inside of the engine. Compared to your previous start it and listen approach this was very specific. There comes a point in a job where there simply isn't an easy answer. In this case, with the noise you describe, it'll take some spannering and investigation to figure out the cause.
To try and be more specific, take off the tappet and timing covers, check the cam chains are tight, if they aren't tight, also check the timing is correct. Wind it over by hand and feel for any mechanical interference. Also check the compression. That'd be a good start at some investigative disassembly anyway.

And for fucks sake man, a swearword is only what you make of it. If your delicate sensitivities are that easily offended, then find a browser add-on to censor such words. Asking for help, and expecting us to comply with your language preferences, is a bit pushy don't you think?

And a final question, have you started since I told you off? If not, I may have helped a lot more than you'd like to think ;)

[Sable]

People told you that you have to essentially strip the motor, and you ignored them.

[ducatilover]

My vote is to start it again, more than once.

[actungbaby]

My point with Bogan was where to start looking ...no good pulling in apart randomnly and my other point was his language I joined this site for some help and advise (which most people have been really helpful) that F word today seems to be a part of everyday talk and some people can find that offensive and un called for. Thanks eveyone else for your advise.

there right buddy i got a vt 250 and yes you at least drain the oil then you can see if theres metal in the oil or water for that matter, take of the tappet covers thats easy just have look the cams.

with the cam chains they usually make sound like buzzing about 3000 rpm, no point getting cams tensioneers if con rod bearings are worn though with vt i took of the bottom sump and poked screw driver up to con rods and felt if had alot sideways momemnt.

set cam chains and tensioners will be about 900.00 i got qouted from malcom at encho honda for my vt 250 chains are like 65.00 each

[tri boy]

i took of the bottom sump and poked screw driver up to con rods and felt if had alot sideways momemnt.

Actually, just to stray of topic for a moment, that sideways movement (lateral) can seem quite excessive on some engines, but it is quite normal.
Worry about the "up n down", (axial) clearance on big end bearings. ;)
As you were...............

[actungbaby]

Actually, just to stray of topic for a moment, that sideways movement (lateral) can seem quite excessive on some engines, but it is quite normal.
Worry about the "up n down", (axial) clearance on big end bearings. ;)
As you were...............

yes your right the vt 500 piston moved alot side to side on the little end (top bearing)

Yes forward and back movement needs some side to side but if alot more than one conrod

I found in the two vt 250 motors same era both rear cylinders where the worn out bearings.

But even someone as non trained as me you know when something not right .

But it chould be totally fine as engine lasted to know so must been one of the better ones

[bogan]

My vote is to start it again, more than once.

Judging by the elapsed time, and attitude of the OP, I think it is probably quite dead by now :sweatdrop

[actungbaby]

Judging by the elapsed time, and attitude of the OP, I think it is probably quite dead by now :sweatdrop

Wonder if he wants to sell it i seem like collecting hondas with poked engines hehe

http://vfrworld.com/forums/1st-2nd-generation-1983-1989/22123-restoration-has-begun-now-questions.html

Mind you think there lovley bike be worth fixing paying money as they are rare

Seen Mr patiech race around the streets christchurch gaining on roger freeth on his mcinstosh

racing suzuki it wasint slow

[Coolz]

[QUOTE=actungbaby;1130418112]Wonder if he wants to sell it i seem like collecting hondas with poked engines hehe/QUOTE]

Ya better get in quick. Ducattilover is probably already out in his shed measuring up his GN for a v4 transplant!

[actungbaby]

[QUOTE=actungbaby;1130418112]Wonder if he wants to sell it i seem like collecting hondas with poked engines hehe/QUOTE]

Ya better get in quick. Ducattilover is probably already out in his shed measuring up his GN for a v4 transplant!

He alot more talented than me am sure he be able to do that dont encourage him please !!!!

he might have to put stronger springs in the front, and ditch the drum brake front for a parachute

[roadracingoldfart]

Oil pump chain , normal stuff really.

[ducatilover]

Ya better get in quick. Ducattilover is probably already out in his shed measuring up his GN for a v4 transplant!
:devil2::devil2::devil2: Now THAT is an idea

[actungbaby]

:devil2::devil2::devil2: Now THAT is an idea

see look what your started hehe :Police: