Training or not?

[DanielM8]

Hi,
I'm interested in getting my bike learners, and wanted to come ask for some advice..

I've been riding a little 50 :scooter: for about a year now, and am looking at getting my bike learners. I won't be able to afford a bike for a while yet, but I want to get my license as step 1.

Anyway, I've been saving up for training & the BHS test at once. Now, after reading a bunch of KiwiBiker topics, I am thinking of just going the test. What is the opinion of the pros on this... is it necessary to get training to be able to pass the BHS test? I'm obviously fairly confident on 2 wheels having ridden a scooter, however the thing that would concern me is the gears. Is it hard to get used to, do I get some time to practice, am I going to look like a fool to the test instructor, etc? Advice really appreciated

Thanks

[Banditbandit]

Training is Always useful

[Haggis2]

Training is commonsense. KB is full of it. Don't listen to KB! :nono:

[DanielM8]

So, you think I need the training to take the test? I plan on riding only in quiet streets where I live.. when nobody's around.. I'm not going on the road for a while even when I get the bike.. so the concern isn't whether I'll be okay for the road, only whether I'll be okay to pass the test.

[Drew]

Getting training is good.

[bogan]

So, you think I need the training to take the test? I plan on riding only in quiet streets where I live.. when nobody's around.. I'm not going on the road for a while even when I get the bike.. so the concern isn't whether I'll be okay for the road, only whether I'll be okay to pass the test.

My BHS test was done on a scooter (6ish years ago), so you'd be alright if that was the case; ring around and see if you can find a BHS place that uses or allows you to do it on your scoot. If it is bike with clutch and gears you'd want a bit of practice, some of the slower stuff requires a bit of clutch control.
Imo, better to get training on your own bike once you get one

[Fast Eddie]

they don't use scooters or anything without gears now a days.

when you go for you BHS they usually give you some practice time and some training, u basically pay by the hour. So instead of just paying for the BHS, save a little bit more and get an extra half hour or hour prior to the BHS test and get them to teach you how to ride..

my mrs got her BHS first time she ever got on a bike. She rocked up to instructor, he taught her how to ride the bike and then she sat the test and passed, took less than 1 hour all up. You'll be sweet as.

[Drew]

my mrs got her BHS first time she ever got on a bike. She rocked up to instructor, he taught her how to ride the bike and then she sat the test and passed, took less than 1 hour all up. You'll be sweet as.That's fucking terrible!

No dis respect to yourself or your missus, but I'm pretty fuckin afraid if riders can have one hour practicle experience, and then get on the roads.

It's an hour more than a car driver needs, but fuck, a car won't fall over and slide into one of my kids!

[Maha]

Hi,
I'm interested in getting my bike learners, and wanted to come ask for some advice..

I've been riding a little 50 :scooter: for about a year now, and am looking at getting my bike learners. I won't be able to afford a bike for a while yet, but I want to get my license as step 1.

Anyway, I've been saving up for training & the BHS test at once. Now, after reading a bunch of KiwiBiker topics, I am thinking of just going the test. What is the opinion of the pros on this... is it necessary to get training to be able to pass the BHS test? I'm obviously fairly confident on 2 wheels having ridden a scooter, however the thing that would concern me is the gears. Is it hard to get used to, do I get some time to practice, am I going to look like a fool to the test instructor, etc? Advice really appreciated

Thanks

''I'm obviously fairly confident on 2 wheels having ridden a scooter, however the thing that would concern me is the gears''

Which is why (at the very least) you need to sit you BHS...no question.
The instructor will know in very short time frame, if you are confident enough to be on the road on a bike with gears.
I bought a bike over the phone on a Saturday, went a sat (and passed) my BHS on the Sunday.
Once you have the your learners, enquire and get some one on one tuition from a registered instructor....no question.

[Tricia1000]

You may sit your BHS on an automatic scooter, as long as 1) you provide your own scooter and 2) it is a minimum of 125cc.. (We are not allowed to provide auto bikes for BHS.
There is a very low pass rate for people who just show up to do the test.
Riders who have been riding for a long time, can usually ride fast, but struggle when it comes to the slow speed exercises. (had one last weekend. Rocked up, thinking what can a woman teach me....... he learnt an amazing amount about his bike, and how to ride it, even though in his mid 50's he thought he knew it all, from his life time of riding experience)
The best way to stay safe on the road, is Training.
The BHS at the moment, can be achieved, normally, within a two hour span.
The BHS starting on November 1st could take up to 6 hours to pass successfully.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA


they don't use scooters or anything without gears now a days.

when you go for you BHS they usually give you some practice time and some training, u basically pay by the hour. So instead of just paying for the BHS, save a little bit more and get an extra half hour or hour prior to the BHS test and get them to teach you how to ride..

my mrs got her BHS first time she ever got on a bike. She rocked up to instructor, he taught her how to ride the bike and then she sat the test and passed, took less than 1 hour all up. You'll be sweet as.

[sinfull]

S so the concern isn't whether I'll be okay for the road, only whether I'll be okay to pass the test.


.
The BHS at the moment, can be achieved, normally, within a two hour span.
The BHS starting on November 1st could take up to 6 hours to pass successfully.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA
Well if that aint motivation enough to get ya shit together, i don't know what is !

[Fast Eddie]

That's fucking terrible!

No dis respect to yourself or your missus, but I'm pretty fuckin afraid if riders can have one hour practicle experience, and then get on the roads.

It's an hour more than a car driver needs, but fuck, a car won't fall over and slide into one of my kids!

lol, I didn't make the system up.

point was to the OP that he need not stress, just go to the driving school and tell them you want to get your BHS and pay accordingly. - OP said something like "..the concern isn't if I'll be ok on the road, but just if I'll pass the test.."

It was bloody easy though but now things are changing.. they are trying to reform the licensing procedure eh

[george formby]

My G/F had training & did a lot of practice prior to her BHS. She was riding sminky until the big day. Nerves kicked in & she had a tough time but passed.

Set yourself up to succeed, get training & do some practice.

[Drew]

Rocked up, thinking what can a woman teach me.......Did he say that, or are you just assuming that's what all guys over 30 are thinking?

Bet it's the latter.

I'm cynicle, and I believe I've seen enough of humanity and it's short comings to justify it!

[Fast Eddie]

She was riding sminky..

shit, did you give sminky the bash?

[DanielM8]

Thanks all for your insightful responses. from What youre All saying ive gathered that i shiuldnt worry but Should get training a bit and do it all Before novembers change... hmm ok. Cheers! This seems like a really laid back communty aNd i Look forward to participating more as I grow in my motorbiking.

Thanks

[Tricia1000]

He admitted it, about half way through the training. His father had been a TT racer. Apparently my student had been conceived at a TT meet.
He learnt heaps the other day, considering he rocked up, thinking he knew it all. When it came to the 1st gear slow ride exercise, there was nothing smooth about the way he was riding, and he kept blaming the bike. So I tried to give him some advice on an easier way of doing the exercise. Still no luck. So he said why dont you show me. This was on his bike, which I had never ridden before. And I showed him, so then he REALLY started to listen.
Really nice guy in his 50's, but appalling bad habits..

Tricia 1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA


Did he say that, or are you just assuming that's what all guys over 30 are thinking?

Bet it's the latter.

I'm cynicle, and I believe I've seen enough of humanity and it's short comings to justify it!

[Drew]

This seems like a really laid back communty I'll quote this to you in a year, if you're still posting.

It should be fairly laid back, it tends to get a bit stupid though. Don't take anything too seriously and it great fun.

[Drew]

He admitted it, about half way through the training. His father had been a TT racer. Apparently my student had been conceived at a TT meet.
He learnt heaps the other day, considering he rocked up, thinking he knew it all. When it came to the 1st gear slow ride exercise, there was nothing smooth about the way he was riding, and he kept blaming the bike. So I tried to give him some advice on an easier way of doing the exercise. Still no luck. So he said why dont you show me. This was on his bike, which I had never ridden before. And I showed him, so then he REALLY started to listen.
Really nice guy in his 50's, but appalling bad habits..

Tricia 1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTAFair enough.

What is the aim of teh first gear slow ride exercise, please?

[george formby]

shit, did you give sminky the bash?

Na. I was getting stuck inot LaLa & Tinky Winky. Po was videoing.

[DanielM8]

I'll quote this to you in a year, if you're still posting.

It should be fairly laid back, it tends to get a bit stupid though. Don't take anything too seriously and it great fun.

a bit of bantering and playful bashing is part of the fun

[Tricia1000]

To have control of your bike at slow speed. He was like so many others who have ridden for a long time. Can ride at the speed limit, or over, without any trouble. bUt when it came to riding under 20k or less, needed a big hand.
Reminded me of a guy that came to an ACC training day. He should've been learning about really slow speeds, but kept saying that his bike was over heating. It wasn't, but he didn't want to lose face, cos he was on an R1, and just couldn't/wouldnt ride slowly. When we did the on road part, he showed his true colours then, by just about trying to kill himself. One of the other students told him his riding was shocking, and I told him I couldn't understand how he had managed to stay alive for so long. He was about 24.:wacko:

Tricia 1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA
Fair enough.

What is the aim of teh first gear slow ride exercise, please?

[george formby]

To have control of your bike at slow speed. He was like so many others who have ridden for a long time. Can ride at the speed limit, or over, without any trouble. bUt when it came to riding under 20k or less, needed a big hand.
Reminded me of a guy that came to an ACC training day. He should've been learning about really slow speeds, but kept saying that his bike was over heating. It wasn't, but he didn't want to lose face, cos he was on an R1, and just couldn't/wouldnt ride slowly. When we did the on road part, he showed his true colours then, by just about trying to kill himself. One of the other students told him his riding was shocking, and I told him I couldn't understand how he had managed to stay alive for so long. He was about 24.:wacko:

Tricia 1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

I practiced the BHS test with my G/F. As a consequence I'm still practicing but getting much betterer, it was a real eye opener realising that after 30 years or more riding I was pants at it!

[Banditbandit]

Training is commonsense. KB is full of it. Don't listen to KB! :nono:

KB is full of shit too ...

[Banditbandit]

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That's fucking terrible!

No dis respect to yourself or your missus, but I'm pretty fuckin afraid if riders can have one hour practicle experience, and then get on the roads.

It's an hour more than a car driver needs, but fuck, a car won't fall over and slide into one of my kids!

Fuck me .. I was riding on the road on a bike I rebuilt before I had a licence ... when I bought my Trumpy 650 my wife insisted I get a bike licence .. so I sat the oral and got a "Restricted Licence" .. that meant I could not go over 30mph on the bike (Yeah right!) (for the chikldren 30mph = 50kph) ... after 6 months I paid 50cents to renew it .. then six months later paid another 50cents to renew it ..

I finally sat my full licence on a scooter (an old dunger of a thing) .. the cop made me ride 100 yards in a straight line, turn around and go bacl .. nd he wrote out my fuull licence ... I went and parked the scooter and went home on the Trumpy ... (scarey huh?)

BUT WAIT - THERE'S MORE ...

In the 1980s when I got a Jap bike for commuting - that's when I really learnt to ride ..and realised I actually knew sod all about riding a bike ... I did some training for new riders (yeah yeah .. but shit I needed it) ... more recently I did some training on Hampton Downs - (fuck that's a fun track to play on) . I went to play on the track - but till learnt something ...

Some of my mates who rode like I did in the 1970s did not make it - buried in several places around the country ... if we had the bikes there are tosday a lot more of us would not have made it either ..

[Tricia1000]

If you think one hour is not enough, I know someone who went to a BHS provider, within NZ, had never ridden before, on scooter or geared bike, had never been able to master a manual car, and was in and out in 12 minutes, with certificate safely in hand!!!!!

When that rider started riding on road, for the first few months, needed someone to ride in front, and show with their hand, what gear the rider behind should be in .....
Now that's scary stuff!!

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA


That's fucking terrible!

No dis respect to yourself or your missus, but I'm pretty fuckin afraid if riders can have one hour practicle experience, and then get on the roads.

It's an hour more than a car driver needs, but fuck, a car won't fall over and slide into one of my kids!

[Drew]

Training needs to be relevant too. I question the relevance of your first gear slow riding, but not so much that I'll take the course.

[Tigadee]

Thanks all for your insightful responses. from What youre All saying ive gathered that i shiuldnt worry but Should get training a bit and do it all Before novembers change... hmm ok. Cheers! This seems like a really laid back communty aNd i Look forward to participating more as I grow in my motorbiking.

BHS is longer and harder now (or will be soon), so training is essential. You probably know how to steer a bike/scooter but the learning how to use the gears will take up quite a bit of your concentration in the beginning, so training is important. Practice the parts of the (old) BHS on your scooter to get a rough idea of what you will be doing: Stops, turns, slalom, etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpwjJMRl_5U

I had done as you suggested earlier, riding in quiet streets (and a car park) for two weeks on my little 225cc Scorpio before I even ventured out into the big bad roads of Auckland.

Good basics here clearly explained - have a look through, especially the motorcycle handling tips: http://www.youtube.com/user/motorman857

[Gremlin]

Training needs to be relevant too. I question the relevance of your first gear slow riding, but not so much that I'll take the course.
Any numpty can twist the throttle hard in a straight line and I've seen plenty of it.

Controlling a motorcycle at low speed is all about balance and handling. The steering is heavier due to tyre friction (tyre is barely moving relative to the ground). When you go around a roundabout or through an intersection you're not doing it at high speed. Being able to control the bike at very low speeds smoothly, flows on through to plenty of aspects of riding. The practise also makes you more comfortable with what the bike and you can and cannot do...

[george formby]

Any numpty can twist the throttle hard in a straight line and I've seen plenty of it.

Controlling a motorcycle at low speed is all about balance and handling. The steering is heavier due to tyre friction (tyre is barely moving relative to the ground). When you go around a roundabout or through an intersection you're not doing it at high speed. Being able to control the bike at very low speeds smoothly, flows on through to plenty of aspects of riding. The practise also makes you more comfortable with what the bike and you can and cannot do...

Practice shows the bike is more capable than I am & also gives me the confidence to use more of that capability. Just about every aspect of the training & practice is applicable to open road riding.

[DanielM8]

I got my hands on some traffic cones and construction flags... I will be setting up my own BHS course in a car park and practicing on my scooter. I'll let you know how it goes and what I find out is my biggest challenge and what I feel I need to practice from this. :) Tigadee: thanks for the links. I've spent endless hours on Youtube watching videos.. its taught me a fair bit. The biggest thing (although training covers this) was using the clutch in the friction zone to help low speed riding. I've been practicing this on my scooter by applying a bit of rear brake while riding low speed and I've really noticed how it helps.. by riding slowly in to a parking place with my back brake on just slightly and then letting go of it and suddenly finding it a bit harder to keep steady and smooth steering.

Thanks

[george formby]

I got my hands on some traffic cones and construction flags... I will be setting up my own BHS course in a car park and practicing on my scooter. I'll let you know how it goes and what I find out is my biggest challenge and what I feel I need to practice from this. :) Tigadee: thanks for the links. I've spent endless hours on Youtube watching videos.. its taught me a fair bit. The biggest thing (although training covers this) was using the clutch in the friction zone to help low speed riding. I've been practicing this on my scooter by applying a bit of rear brake while riding low speed and I've really noticed how it helps.. by riding slowly in to a parking place with my back brake on just slightly and then letting go of it and suddenly finding it a bit harder to keep steady and smooth steering.

Thanks

Have a dredge through this thread on another forum. A group of experienced riders re-learning & refining their basic skills in an attempt to do gymkhana. some really good advice, vids & observations in it.

ADVGymkhana (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=788591)

Ignore the competitive aspect, the skills are the same as what you want, though.

[Drew]

Fair enough.

What is the aim of teh first gear slow ride exercise, please?I got a questioning rep comment for this. So I thought I'd expand a bit as to my question.

I don't see why practicing riding around slowly and trying not to put your feet down, is helpful. If I'm on the road, and need to slow right down. I drop a foot as soon as the bike starts to weave.

[Gremlin]

If I'm on the road, and need to slow right down. I drop a foot as soon as the bike starts to weave.
At what speed do you start to weave then? You realise that by taking your foot off the peg it's unbalancing the bike? There is the risk that something could catch, maybe your foot hits something on the ground, caught in the wheel etc.

Depending on tyre wear, I can hold the bike upright, feet on pegs at 0kph... length of time depends on how flat the rear tyre is :lol:

[DanielM8]

I got a questioning rep comment for this. So I thought I'd expand a bit as to my question.

I don't see why practicing riding around slowly and trying not to put your feet down, is helpful. If I'm on the road, and need to slow right down. I drop a foot as soon as the bike starts to weave.

I know I'm nobody to listen to on this, but I swear the point of taking proper training or learning proper technique is to avoid this... I hate to see a motorcyclist riding slowly with both his feet hanging down... all the same with scooters, I practice to come to a smooth stop before putting a foot down because of how silly you look hanging your feet down.. meh.. maybe just my opinion


Have a dredge through this thread on another forum. A group of experienced riders re-learning & refining their basic skills in an attempt to do gymkhana. some really good advice, vids & observations in it.

ADVGymkhana (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=788591)

Ignore the competitive aspect, the skills are the same as what you want, though.

This is really awesome to watch ... I swear nobody must be able to do this like the Japanese can...

[FJRider]

Did he say that, or are you just assuming that's what all guys over 30 are thinking?

Bet it's the latter.

I'm cynicle, and I believe I've seen enough of humanity and it's short comings to justify it!

I'm over 30 (just :innocent:) women teach me things all the time ...

Well ... ok ... they just refresh my memory anyway ... :devil2:

[Drew]

At what speed do you start to weave then? You realise that by taking your foot off the peg it's unbalancing the bike? There is the risk that something could catch, maybe your foot hits something on the ground, caught in the wheel etc.

Depending on tyre wear, I can hold the bike upright, feet on pegs at 0kph... length of time depends on how flat the rear tyre is :lol:I don't wanna debate this. Arguing finer points in a thread like this does not help the ones who need to learn the basics.

I'm damn sure I can learn much about riding still, so if you wanna help, do you have a decent tip on how to stop the rear wheel chattering on the RF, when I'm practicing "backing it in"? Or how to rid it of the troublesome weave it gets going when I've got it on the back wheel, and I scrub off a bit of speed? I thought it was bearings, but it's what caused me to biff another bike a while back, so it stands to reason it's something I'm doing.

[Berries]

I practice to come to a smooth stop before putting a foot down because of how silly you look hanging your feet down.. meh.. maybe just my opinion..
All well and good until you come to a complete stop and then find either your shoe lace or trousers get stuck on the peg as you go to put one foot down. You will only need to do this once.

[Ocean1]

All well and good until you come to a complete stop and then find either your shoe lace or trousers get stuck on the peg as you go to put one foot down. You will only need to do this once.

I've needed to do it twice. :baby:

First on an XL350 in the middle of town, at lunchtime, kickstart lever up the trouser leg.

Second one I don't like to talk about.

[Gremlin]

I'm damn sure I can learn much about riding still, so if you wanna help, do you have a decent tip on how to stop the rear wheel chattering on the RF, when I'm practicing "backing it in"? Or how to rid it of the troublesome weave it gets going when I've got it on the back wheel, and I scrub off a bit of speed?
Easily done. :)

Backing it in usually means sliding the rear wheel, which is hardly recommended as traction at the rear wheel is well below optimum, and your options, if something were to go wrong, are drastically limited. For being on the back wheel, well clearly you've accelerated too fast to cause the front wheel to come up, again, traction is below optimum (non existent). Steering ability is definitely compromised.

I'd certainly recommend some training for you sir, so that you are able to maintain optimum control of your motorcycle in all riding conditions...

[Ender EnZed]

What is the aim of teh first gear slow ride exercise, please?

For learner riders: If they know nothing about riding then they may as well be practicing at low speed where the consequences of a fuck-up aren't too dire. It's also a lot easier to keep track of how a bunch of riders are doing in a carpark than on the road.

For experienced riders: People that have been riding for at least a few years tend to have all the skills they need to stay upright ~100% of the time. As a group though, they do a lot of falling off due to over estimating their own ability, at whatever level that may be. Lowering their opinion of their own ability could well be the very best outcome of any rider training. Riding at very low speed is something they don't do often, so they tend to be pretty shit at it - hopefully realising they're not quite as awesome at this motorcycling business as they thought they were. If this realisation leads to a lower level of fuckwittery then that'll probably be of greater benefit than gaining an incrementally higher level of ability.

[DanielM8]

Lurking and enjoying the bantering.. does this happen in every single thread??

The mention of the fact of pants etc getting stuck is interesting.. that didn't come to mind at all.. it complicates the matter for me.. in any case i still see a lot of importance in low speed riding skills for safety and flexibility sake

[Drew]

Easily done. :)

Backing it in usually means sliding the rear wheel, which is hardly recommended as traction at the rear wheel is well below optimum, and your options, if something were to go wrong, are drastically limited. For being on the back wheel, well clearly you've accelerated too fast to cause the front wheel to come up, again, traction is below optimum (non existent). Steering ability is definitely compromised.

I'd certainly recommend some training for you sir, so that you are able to maintain optimum control of your motorcycle in all riding conditions...Very informative indeed.


For learner riders: If they know nothing about riding then they may as well be practicing at low speed where the consequences of a fuck-up aren't too dire. It's also a lot easier to keep track of how a bunch of riders are doing in a carpark than on the road.

For experienced riders: People that have been riding for at least a few years tend to have all the skills they need to stay upright ~100% of the time. As a group though, they do a lot of falling off due to over estimating their own ability, at whatever level that may be. Lowering their opinion of their own ability could well be the very best outcome of any rider training. Riding at very low speed is something they don't do often, so they tend to be pretty shit at it - hopefully realising they're not quite as awesome at this motorcycling business as they thought they were. If this realisation leads to a lower level of fuckwittery then that'll probably be of greater benefit than gaining an incrementally higher level of ability.
Now that, is a good answer. I'm sure it's not what any trainers think, but I like it.

Lurking and enjoying the bantering.. does this happen in every single thread??Not so much bantar, as abuse.


The mention of the fact of pants etc getting stuck is interesting.. that didn't come to mind at all.. it complicates the matter for me.. in any case i still see a lot of importance in low speed riding skills for safety and flexibility sakeOne of the worst feelings in the world, when you go to put a foot down and it doesn't go. I tend to just push like hell and break the shoe lace, or what have you, that is fouling on the bike.

But, it usually doesn't help, and you get to have a lie down for your trouble.

[george formby]

I don't wanna debate this. Arguing finer points in a thread like this does not help the ones who need to learn the basics.

I'm damn sure I can learn much about riding still, so if you wanna help, do you have a decent tip on how to stop the rear wheel chattering on the RF, when I'm practicing "backing it in"? Or how to rid it of the troublesome weave it gets going when I've got it on the back wheel, and I scrub off a bit of speed? I thought it was bearings, but it's what caused me to biff another bike a while back, so it stands to reason it's something I'm doing.

I'm guessing the swing arm bearings are fine so I would say it is flex. Brace the swing arm..:yes::laugh:

[george formby]

This is really awesome to watch ... I swear nobody must be able to do this like the Japanese can...

It's got me & the G/F fascinated, we practice as often as we can. She passed her BHS a few months ago despite the nerves & their is no doubt the continued practice is fast tracking her ability. Mine too, I'm doing stuff that had me at a full pucker a year ago.:shit:

[Tricia1000]

You shouldnt really be wearing anything on your lower leg or feet with laces, or anything that is loose. Proper protective motorcycle boots, and either leathers or cordura trousers are the best. And they don't have loose bits.
Even a buckle on your boots, can create quite a spark if you are sliding down the road with your bike. Put that with some spilt fuel, and you get to keep yourself warm till the ambulance arrives..

Just to slighty digress, I saw a lady come into our operating department with her bra melted into her back. She didn't have proper gear on, and slid down the road on her back. The nylon in her bra just melted into her skin, along with the road rash.. It wasn't very pleasant for her, and it wasn't very pleasant for me who had to scrub her back with a nail brush, before we could begin to operate on her.
:doctor:

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Very informative indeed.


Now that, is a good answer. I'm sure it's not what any trainers think, but I like it.
Not so much bantar, as abuse.

One of the worst feelings in the world, when you go to put a foot down and it doesn't go. I tend to just push like hell and break the shoe lace, or what have you, that is fouling on the bike.

But, it usually doesn't help, and you get to have a lie down for your trouble.

[george formby]

I've done it too, not burning me bra.., kick start caught in the trooser leg & laces round the foot rest....:facepalm:

[DanielM8]

Just to slighty digress, I saw a lady come into our operating department with her bra melted into her back. She didn't have proper gear on, and slid down the road on her back. The nylon in her bra just melted into her skin, along with the road rash.. It wasn't very pleasant for her, and it wasn't very pleasant for me who had to scrub her back with a nail brush, before we could begin to operate on her.
:doctor:

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

...this is why women should ride without bras.. Right? Right? :D

[george formby]

...this is why women should ride without bras.. Right? Right? :D

You will go far!:yes:

[turtleman]

I've done it too, not burning me bra.., kick start caught in the trooser leg & laces round the foot rest....:facepalm:

Riding in shorts and gumboots will resolve this issue :dodge:

[george formby]

Riding in shorts and gumboots will resolve this issue :dodge:

gum boots melt on the exhaust & it's a real bugger to get the burnt rubber off.

[Banditbandit]

gum boots melt on the exhaust & it's a real bugger to get the burnt rubber off.

Yeah ... after I got it off my foot it also took ages to get it off the can ..

[george formby]

Yeah ... after I got it off my foot it also took ages to get it off the can ..

Same problem with jandals..

[Coolz]

I got a questioning rep comment for this. So I thought I'd expand a bit as to my question.

I don't see why practicing riding around slowly and trying not to put your feet down, is helpful. If I'm on the road, and need to slow right down. I drop a foot as soon as the bike starts to weave.

On a muddy rally site with a fully laden tourer and in front of hundreds of bikers, low speed handling skills are a must.

[Berries]

The mention of the fact of pants etc getting stuck is interesting.. that didn't come to mind at all.. it complicates the matter for me..
As said in a post above, in an ideal world you wouldn't ride with laces and your trousers would always be tucked in to your buckleless boots. The real world for you might not be like that, it certainly isn't for me. It doesn't need to complicate matters though, let's just say that it adds to your knowledge without you suffering the embarrassment that a number of others have obviously felt from doing the same thing.

[chasio]

I know I'm nobody to listen to on this, but I swear the point of taking proper training or learning proper technique is to avoid this... I hate to see a motorcyclist riding slowly with both his feet hanging down... all the same with scooters, I practice to come to a smooth stop before putting a foot down because of how silly you look hanging your feet down.. meh.. maybe just my opinion.

My only insurance claim as a rider came from trailing my feet.

Traffic was stopped and I was filtering through very slowly (noobily) with my feet lightly dragging along the deck. Big black 4x4 decided to set off to close the gap to the next car as quickly as possible (also narrowing gap to adjacent car). It overtook me enough to run over my left foot and then stopped, pinning my left foot to the ground. Bike had momentum and so swung a gentle leftward arc into the side of the 4x4. Instinct had me try to pull away (to the right) from being trapped. Right hand pulled on throttle accidentally as I yanked the bars right, foot pulled out, bike left nice long mark down 4x4. $5k to repair. :pinch:

Fully comp FTW.

My formula is: Moving = feet up. Stopped = feet down. Stopping = move feet outboard on pegs so I know they are free (probably).

[Drew]

You shouldnt really be wearing anything on your lower leg or feet with laces, or anything that is loose. Proper protective motorcycle boots, and either leathers or cordura trousers are the best. And they don't have loose bits.
Even a buckle on your boots, can create quite a spark if you are sliding down the road with your bike. Put that with some spilt fuel, and you get to keep yourself warm till the ambulance arrives..

Just to slighty digress, I saw a lady come into our operating department with her bra melted into her back. She didn't have proper gear on, and slid down the road on her back. The nylon in her bra just melted into her skin, along with the road rash.. It wasn't very pleasant for her, and it wasn't very pleasant for me who had to scrub her back with a nail brush, before we could begin to operate on her.
:doctor:

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTABuckles aren't gonna cause no more fucking sparks than your foot pegs!

Give any teacher enough rope, they'll hang themselves.

This thread has nothing to do with proper gear, why would you bring that shit up?

You're a nurse and a motorcycle trainer yeah? That's usually mutually exclusive. I don't think you can be trusted.

[MyGSXF]

Buy this book!!! :yes: & get some training!! :yes:

http://www.fishpond.co.nz/advanced_search_result.php?title=Motorcycle+Roadcr aft&cName=Books&gclid=CO3qqeLSjLMCFckhpQodMVQAIw

ps: I am a motorcycle Instructor too. & there are a lot of people out there who THINK they can ride.... but actually have very little SKILL when it comes down to it! :facepalm:

[Tricia1000]

Quite true Drew, but the thread went on to talking about laces getting caught on footpegs. I am merely offering a new rider some information. The comment wasn't directed at you, so wind your neck in please.
Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA.


Buckles aren't gonna cause no more fucking sparks than your foot pegs!

Give any teacher enough rope, they'll hang themselves.

This thread has nothing to do with proper gear, why would you bring that shit up?

You're a nurse and a motorcycle trainer yeah? That's usually mutually exclusive. I don't think you can be trusted.

[Tricia1000]

Hi Jen,
Good to see you on board...
T


Buy this book!!! :yes: & get some training!! :yes:

http://www.fishpond.co.nz/advanced_search_result.php?title=Motorcycle+Roadcr aft&cName=Books&gclid=CO3qqeLSjLMCFckhpQodMVQAIw

ps: I am a motorcycle Instructor too. & there are a lot of people out there who THINK they can ride.... but actually have very little SKILL when it comes down to it! :facepalm:

[Drew]

Buy this book!!! :yes: & get some training!! :yes:

http://www.fishpond.co.nz/advanced_search_result.php?title=Motorcycle+Roadcr aft&cName=Books&gclid=CO3qqeLSjLMCFckhpQodMVQAIw

ps: I am a motorcycle Instructor too. & there are a lot of people out there who THINK they can ride.... but actually have very little SKILL when it comes down to it! :facepalm:May I ask, what your qualifications are to be an instructor?

[FJRider]

I got a questioning rep comment for this. So I thought I'd expand a bit as to my question.

I don't see why practicing riding around slowly and trying not to put your feet down, is helpful. If I'm on the road, and need to slow right down. I drop a foot as soon as the bike starts to weave.

Have you ever need to ride your bike around a supermarket carpark ... at a busy period ... ???

Laden trollys are a bitch to control inside ... outside on rough sealed carpark .. :facepalm:

And its a good place for SUV drivers to practice their reversing skill's ... because most surely need practice.

[BMWST?]

Training needs to be relevant too. I question the relevance of your first gear slow riding, but not so much that I'll take the course.

it called bike control,improves bike control co ordination,balance,head postion,bike placement relative to cones and prolly more i cant think about atthe moment.

[Tricia1000]

It isn't so much, "my first gear slow riding" I didn't have any input into the current BHS, but it is a very important exercise.
I did however have a major input into the NEW BHS starting on the 1st. :soon:
Anyone who has learnt the proper slow speed manoeuvring technique, that I teach, normally undertaken as part of an on road training session, will tell you, it makes an ENORMOUS difference to your slow speed control, when preparing to stop, approaching a roundabout, doing the U-turn for the test etc. At slow speed it is very important to your stability to know where the weight of the bike is.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA


Training needs to be relevant too. I question the relevance of your first gear slow riding, but not so much that I'll take the course.

[MyGSXF]

May I ask, what your qualifications are to be an instructor?

It's called an "I endorsement" through NZTA.


... it makes an ENORMOUS difference to your slow speed control, when preparing to stop, approaching a roundabout, doing the U-turn for the test etc. At slow speed it is very important to your stability to know where the weight of the bike is

+1 :yes: