Fuck our legal system

[Parlane]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7830591/Night-of-madness-may-end-in-deportation

Can someone find the relevant thread?

"disqualified him from driving for 18 months."
"Ahmed was ordered to pay his victim - Jonathan Meech - $10,000 "
"sentenced to six months home detention and may face deportation"

The best thing would be if we did deport him. Think I am being harsh?

"seriously injured a motorcyclist when driving the wrong way down an Auckland motorway during a drunken night of madness"

"seriously injured" in this case is the guy lost his leg.

[Asher]

I also heard yesterday that "boyracer" who hit and killed that guy then ran in Hornby got home detention. Court system for the win.

[imdying]

He's a Muslim, he'll understand entirely why we have to behead him.

Seriously, I can see absolutely no reason whatsoever that he should not be killed for his actions. What that piece of shit is doing remaining in the country, who fucking knows.

[oneofsix]

He's a Muslim, he'll understand entirely why we have to behead him.

Seriously, I can see absolutely no reason whatsoever that he should not be killed for his actions. What that piece of shit is doing remaining in the country, who fucking knows.

Me confused, I thought devout Muslims weren't allowed alcohol.
Send him back and let them "rehabilitate" him

[imdying]

Nah, I care not for whether he can be 'fixed' or not.

Same as that other piece of shit on the news last night. We will hold him in a psychiatric ward until a Minister of Health says let him out? Presumably nobody is going to want to commit that sort of career suicide, so that means 40 years at 100k a piece, or 4 million dollars. Or the regsitration for 6000 motorcyclists for a year. His life is no longer worth 6000 bike registrations, the only intelligent thing to do is to kill him now. I'll even supply the bullet and pull the trigger, although I dare say I'm in a pretty long line.

[Parlane]

He's a Muslim, he'll understand entirely why we have to behead him.

Seriously, I can see absolutely no reason whatsoever that he should not be killed for his actions. What that piece of shit is doing remaining in the country, who fucking knows.

From the article it sounds like he will face hardship if he were to go home and his family has disowned him for being a drunk fuck.

I see no reason for that to stop us deporting him...

[Banditbandit]

Me confused, I thought devout Muslims weren't allowed alcohol.


THey are not .. who said he was devout? Just like Christians are not allowed sex outside marriage ...

[imdying]

THey are not .. who said he was devout? Just like Christians are not allowed sex outside marriage ...Second word of the article.

[imdying]

From the article it sounds like he will face hardship if he were to go home and his family has disowned him for being a drunk fuck.

I see no reason for that to stop us deporting him...Ahhhh, the religion of forgiveness :rolleyes:

[Banditbandit]

Second word of the article.

OK ... didn't read it (my bad) ... but his actions question hs "devoutness" ...

[imdying]

He's a member of the hypocritical boys club, what did you expect :lol:

[nathanwhite]

Ok. I'll play the devils advocate.

Yes, what he did was horrible. Yes, A life is forever altered because of his actions. Yes, our court system hands out more bus tickets then the busses do themselves. But behead him? Really? He's going to have a hard time enough now regardless of what legal actions happen to him. His family has cut him off. Criminal convictions means a new job is nigh impossible.

From the article he is shown as a decent hardworking fellow (regardless of whether or not he actually is.)
He has to pay the victim 10k. While supporting himself, how long is he going to be paying that for?
6 Months at home. Ie, not working.

What he did was atrocious, but do you think he will ever drink again? Do you think he will ever truly forget what he has done?

Consider this. His victim is still alive. He is still there for his family. He can still work a job. (Provided it's not standing up) For all I know he might be in cronic pain, but he is still here.

I am all for stoning the gulty. However for this is a person who has done something once, and regretted it after. I think the punishment is not excessive.
It is repeat offenders I have no tolerance for. If he does it again, hang, draw and quarter him.

[Str8 Jacket]

Ok. I'll play the devils advocate.

Yes, what he did was horrible. Yes, A life is forever altered because of his actions. Yes, our court system hands out more bus tickets then the busses do themselves. But behead him? Really? He's going to have a hard time enough now regardless of what legal actions happen to him. His family has cut him off. Criminal convictions means a new job is nigh impossible.

From the article he is shown as a decent hardworking fellow (regardless of whether or not he actually is.)
He has to pay the victim 10k. While supporting himself, how long is he going to be paying that for?
6 Months at home. Ie, not working.

What he did was atrocious, but do you think he will ever drink again? Do you think he will ever truly forget what he has done?

Consider this. His victim is still alive. He is still there for his family. He can still work a job. (Provided it's not standing up) For all I know he might be in cronic pain, but he is still here.

I am all for stoning the gulty. However for this is a person who has done something once, and regretted it after. I think the punishment is not excessive.
It is repeat offenders I have no tolerance for. If he does it again, hang, draw and quarter him.

Whilst I get what you are saying people really need to to stop and think if they have drunk too much to drive, or not. Individuals need to take responsibility for what MAY happen and in this case did. The whole point of the advertising campaigns etc is to warn people to not drink and drive as this exact thing may happen and it could happen to anyone.
Personal responsibility, it may catch on one day.

[skippa1]

Ok. I'll play the devils advocate.

Yes, what he did was horrible. Yes, A life is forever altered because of his actions. Yes, our court system hands out more bus tickets then the busses do themselves. But behead him? Really?


ok then....semi behead? Like not quite off

[nathanwhite]

Whilst I get what you are saying people really need to to stop and think if they have drunk too much to drive, or not. Individuals need to take responsibility for what MAY happen and in this case did. The whole point of the advertising campaigns etc is to warn people to not drink and drive as this exact thing may happen and it could happen to anyone.
Personal responsibility, it may catch on one day.

Agreed. He got himself into a situation where he was not in control of his actions. The problem is that he didn't have people around him to stop him from driving. Personal responsibility is admirable, however it takes a regular drinker to know that they are intoxicated and good friends to stop a drunk person from driving.



ok then....semi behead? Like not quite off
Haircut? maybe a little skin too?

[imdying]

Ok. I'll play the devils advocate. An easy position to take when you still have both of your legs.

[Parlane]

Ok. I'll play the devils advocate.


Does anyone know what part of the motorway?
Because most Auckland motorways have huge concrete barriers, yeah?
Meaning he didn't just slip over the line, his drunkenness made him lose awareness of which side of the road to drive on in New Zealand.
He should have to go through the entire [now extra] lengthy process of obtaining a licence from the beginning after that.

[oneofsix]

Does anyone know what part of the motorway?
Because most Auckland motorways have huge concrete barriers, yeah?
Meaning he didn't just slip over the line, his drunkenness made him lose awareness of which side of the road to drive on in New Zealand.
He should have to go through the entire [now extra] lengthy process of obtaining a licence from the beginning after that.

I think you will find he went down the off ramp. He was also driving without lights.

[nathanwhite]

An easy position to take when you still have both of your legs.

lets not turn this into an ad homiem argument. Theres enough of that in the beehive.



Does anyone know what part of the motorway?
Because most Auckland motorways have huge concrete barriers, yeah?
Meaning he didn't just slip over the line, his drunkenness made him lose awareness of which side of the road to drive on in New Zealand.
He should have to go through the entire [now extra] lengthy process of obtaining a licence from the beginning after that.

Yeah, would have gone on the off ramp.

Lost license minimum :yes:

[imdying]

lets not turn this into an ad homiem argument. Theres enough of that in the beehive.What a load of nonsense, the completely unnecessary loss of the riders legs and how much this piece of shit should suffer is the only argument.

[HenryDorsetCase]

THey are not .. who said he was devout? Just like Christians are not allowed sex outside marriage ...

so the issue is the illiterate or semi literate rantings of a bronze age book of myths?

good to know.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I am all for stoning the gulty. However for this is a person who has done something once, and regretted it after. I think the punishment is not excessive.
It is repeat offenders I have no tolerance for. If he does it again, hang, draw and quarter him.

maybe. If what you say is true. if however it is spin or lies then no. But we dont and will never know that because we werent in Court tohear the evidence, hmmm?

[oneofsix]

THey are not .. who said he was devout? Just like Christians are not allowed sex outside marriage ...

The article described him as a devout Muslim. Yea yea reporters and all and that is what I was digging at. It probably just meant he chose not to swear on the bible due to his muslim heritage or what ever so some hack decides that makes him devout.

[Brett]

I would like to add to your thread, the story of Christie Marceau. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10841254

How the fuck did this dickhead get not guilty be reason of insanity? Since when could you plot and strategically plan to kill someone for months, even if the voices in your head are telling you to, and then carry out the plan and still get a not guilty verdict? Yes the cunt may be held in the nut house, but IF he were to ever be released (probably in 15 or so years knowing this country) he will have no criminal record?

[oneofsix]

I would like to add to your thread, the story of Christie Marceau. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10841254

How the fuck did this dickhead get not guilty be reason of insanity? Since when could you plot and strategically plan to kill someone for months, even if the voices in your head are telling you to, and then carry out the plan and still get a not guilty verdict? Yes the cunt may be held in the nut house, but IF he were to ever be released (probably in 15 or so years knowing this country) he will have no criminal record?

Tin hat time. He gets away with it because the legal system fucked up in letting him out in the first place.

She warned them he would kill her. Why the fuck didn't they get the physcos to look at him before paroling him. She says he is a murderous fucktard, he says he is remorseful so they believe him and let the bastard out :mad:

[HenryDorsetCase]

I would like to add to your thread, the story of Christie Marceau. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10841254

How the fuck did this dickhead get not guilty be reason of insanity? Since when could you plot and strategically plan to kill someone for months, even if the voices in your head are telling you to, and then carry out the plan and still get a not guilty verdict? Yes the cunt may be held in the nut house, but IF he were to ever be released (probably in 15 or so years knowing this country) he will have no criminal record?

ranting aside, the big issue I have with that is bail. he was on bail for threatening to rape and kill her and I believe stalking her.and maybe kidnapping or attempting to kidnap her. And bail was granted and he was on bail when he killed her. Not cool.

One other reason why we should allow concealed carry handguns here. If she had had one and known how to use it: no problem

[HenryDorsetCase]

Not to hijack the thread, but you've all seen this and given it your support, yes? If not, why not?

http://www.christieslaw.co.nz/

[BoristheBiter]

ranting aside, the big issue I have with that is bail. he was on bail for threatening to rape and kill her and I believe stalking her.and maybe kidnapping or attempting to kidnap her. And bail was granted and he was on bail when he killed her. Not cool.

One other reason why we should allow concealed carry handguns here. If she had had one and known how to use it: no problem

Fuck concealing them. let the fuckers know exactly whats coming.

[nathanwhite]

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I can see absolutely no reason whatsoever that he should not be killed for his actions.


What a load of nonsense, the completely unnecessary loss of the riders legs and how much this piece of shit should suffer is the only argument.

I'm not arguing. I'm stating my position that if he is truly remorseful for his actions, then what he has is enough.



I can see absolutely no reason whatsoever that he should not be killed for his actions.

[Brett]

ranting aside, the big issue I have with that is bail. he was on bail for threatening to rape and kill her and I believe stalking her.and maybe kidnapping or attempting to kidnap her. And bail was granted and he was on bail when he killed her. Not cool.

One other reason why we should allow concealed carry handguns here. If she had had one and known how to use it: no problem

Agree with all of that 100%.

[BigAl]

Chop a leg off and then deport him.

[SMOKEU]

He (the driver) was probably distracted by trying to detonate his suicide bomb when this tragic accident happened. Allahu snackbar.

[SMOKEU]

Seriously though, this poor guys life (the biker) is forever fucked, and this stupid fucking snackbar only has to pay out $10k? No amount of money can fix a lost leg, but $10k is an insult. A few months imprisonment only adds insult to injury.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Seriously though, this poor guys life (the biker) is forever fucked, and this stupid fucking snackbar only has to pay out $10k? No amount of money can fix a lost leg, but $10k is an insult. A few months imprisonment only adds insult to injury.

Home D. no go to jail.

IIRC

I know a motorcyclist who has lost a leg below the knee who happily still rides. And Mr one armed bandit has only one arm, he still rides, and, with vigor. My point being that the biker does not have to let this fuck his life entirely... all things being equal. we dont know.

[Bassmatt]

So this guy deserves to die because he drove drunk and caused someone to lose his leg?
What would you guys suggest is an appropriate punishment for a drunk driver who kills someone?
Death sentence for him and one of his children or if no children perhaps a parent?
What if a drink driver kills two people or more? Kill him and his whole family?

[SMOKEU]

So this guy deserves to die because he drove drunk and caused someone to lose his leg?
What would you guys suggest is an appropriate punishment for a drunk driver who kills someone?
Death sentence for him and one of his children or if no children perhaps a parent?
What if a drink driver kills two people or more? Kill him and his whole family?

I wouldn't quite go that far, but the justice system here is so weak that murder may as well be legal in some instances. Be an idiot with a gun and kill someone, and you go to jail. Be an idiot with a car and kill someone, and get home D.

[300weatherby]

So this guy deserves to die because he drove drunk and caused someone to lose his leg?
What would you guys suggest is an appropriate punishment for a drunk driver who kills someone?
Death sentence for him and one of his children or if no children perhaps a parent?
What if a drink driver kills two people or more? Kill him and his whole family?

All his children, mum, dad his brothers,sisters and all his cousins too.

Not even a bloody kiwi, wants to wear the mantle of "devoutness", pissed to bits and does that?

The koran is related to the bible so apply the old testament rule: an "eye for an eye": cut off his leg with blunt force trauma, and then send him back to where he came from. Post a vid of the payback for the whole planet to see and underline it with :"If you come here and be a fucktard you will pay"

Stop immigration now!!!!!!!!

[Akzle]

what? you mean the legal system isn't meeting your expectations??!

maybe y'all should move somewhere else :P


good to know that you all think justice would be served by variously mutilating or punishing him, though.

[caseye]

We used to send foreigners back to their country of origin if they played up here!
Send him back with a conviction for attempted manslaughter while drunkenly driving a motor vehicle.
See what his own kind will do to him.
The rest of his kind will see how horribly he died back in HIS country and perhaps will think twice about coming here to NZ.
Currently, a land who will allow you to stay no matter what you do!
Grow some NZ, use our laws and deport them back to whence they came, and yes send their entire family back, one bad apple only makes more!

[Road kill]

He came here and totally fucked up one of ours,altering that guys life for ever.

At the very lest he should be deported on the spot ,where he came from,what his imaginary friend associations are,,none of that shit matters.

He should just go,,,no easy prison time that costs the NZ Tax payer,,just on a plane,fucked off an never thought about again.












An maybe burn his family.

[FJRider]

From the article it sounds like he will face hardship if he were to go home and his family has disowned him for being a drunk fuck.

I see no reason for that to stop us deporting him...

Stop right there ... some people may start feeling sorry for him. :nono:


Oh wait ... no one could ... as you were .... :lol:

[scumdog]

Seriously, I can see absolutely no reason whatsoever that he should not be killed for his actions. What that piece of shit is doing remaining in the country, who fucking knows.

Trying to blend in with our home-grown fuck-wits???

[scumdog]

Our legal system?
Try working with it on a daily basis...:rolleyes:

[blue rider]

Does anyone know what part of the motorway?
Because most Auckland motorways have huge concrete barriers, yeah?
Meaning he didn't just slip over the line, his drunkenness made him lose awareness of which side of the road to drive on in New Zealand.
He should have to go through the entire [now extra] lengthy process of obtaining a licence from the beginning after that.

He should never be given a lisence again. Driving is not a birth right, it is a skill one learns and then aquires a lisences to show he has mastered the minimum driving standard set in NZ. This person clearly does not meet the standard.

[FJRider]

He should never be given a lisence again. Driving is not a birth right, it is a skill one learns and then aquires a lisences to show he has mastered the minimum driving standard set in NZ. This person clearly does not meet the standard.

Attaining a driving License ... depends more on memory, than skill.

Skill is usually acquired on the road ... and the skill level usually dependent on the amount of time spent on the road. The longer one takes to gain said skills .... the longer one is expected to live.

How old was he again ... ???

[Parlane]

Attaining a driving License ... depends more on memory, than skill.

Skill is usually acquired on the road ... and the skill level usually dependent on the amount of time spent on the road. The longer one takes to gain said skills .... the longer one is expected to live.

How old was he again ... ???

Older than I, and I have yet to confuse the sides of the road.

[Akzle]

He should never be given a lisence again. Driving is not a birth right, it is a skill one learns and then aquires a lisences to show he has mastered the minimum driving standard set in NZ. This person clearly does not meet the standard.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/207/234/you-must-be-new-here-willy-wonka.jpg

get off KB and have a look at some roads. a license doesn't count for sh*t!!!!!

[GrayWolf]

Ok. I'll play the devils advocate.

Yes, what he did was horrible. Yes, A life is forever altered because of his actions. Yes, our court system hands out more bus tickets then the busses do themselves. But behead him? Really?

ok then....semi behead? Like not quite off


here's a thought for you, if YOU (anyone) did this in a Muslim country, do you think they would'nt publicaly flog you, cut ya bloody arm/leg off? Or stone you to death? His family have disowned him? Well whoop de shit, doesnt replace the other guy's leg does it? And as for 'never doing it again'? If as a Muslim he was out drinking, we can already see his 'frame of mind' towards rules etc.... 10k is almost a bloody insult to the guy who lost a leg. Not even 3 months wages and it's probably going to take far longer for him to return to work in anything like a full productive capacity.

Life ban, imprison, and then ship the bugger back home!! Tough luck if he will experience 'hardship', didnt stop his anti social behaviour that has caused another a lifetime of hardship that cannot be undone.

[DEATH_INC.]

here's a thought for you, if YOU (anyone) did this in a Muslim country, do you think they would'nt publicaly flog you, cut ya bloody arm/leg off? Or stone you to death? His family have disowned him?

Too f*cken right. It's ok for them but not us. F*ck that. Minimum send him back. Or just shoot the pos.

[skippa1]

here's a thought for you, if YOU (anyone) did this in a Muslim country, do you think they would'nt publicaly flog you, cut ya bloody arm/leg off? Or stone you to death? His family have disowned him? Well whoop de shit, doesnt replace the other guy's leg does it? And as for 'never doing it again'? If as a Muslim he was out drinking, we can already see his 'frame of mind' towards rules etc.... 10k is almost a bloody insult to the guy who lost a leg. Not even 3 months wages and it's probably going to take far longer for him to return to work in anything like a full productive capacity.

Life ban, imprison, and then ship the bugger back home!! Tough luck if he will experience 'hardship', didnt stop his anti social behaviour that has caused another a lifetime of hardship that cannot be undone.

not nice to miss quote people you know. Only the last sentence was mine....not the whole statement....but what the fuck aye, as long as it suits you

[GrayWolf]

not nice to miss quote people you know. Only the last sentence was mine....not the whole statement....but what the fuck aye, as long as it suits you

Wow defensive, are'nt we???
I will apologise I did 'multi quote' but???? Correct the last sentence was yours!!!

but hey, why let a mishap get in the way of a good 'slagging' aye? :bleh:

[skippa1]

Wow defensive, are'nt we???
I will apologise I did 'multi quote' but???? Correct the last sentence was yours!!!

but hey, why let a mishap get in the way of a good 'slagging' aye? :bleh:

not slagging ya old fella(apparantly defensiveness is catchy) but if you were trying to make a point at my expense so I felt an adjustment of the ledger was in order.
Keep calm and carry on

[GrayWolf]

not slagging ya old fella(apparantly defensiveness is catchy) but if you were trying to make a point at my expense so I felt an adjustment of the ledger was in order.
Keep calm and carry on

as ya were sonny.... now go get my, pipe, slippers and a cup of tea with 2 digestive biscuits!! :innocent:

[skippa1]

as ya were sonny.... now go get my, pipe, slippers and a cup of tea with 2 digestive biscuits!! :innocent:

no tea for you.....metamusil and off to the potty

[Glowerss]

Home detention isn't a punishment. It's a vacation. I don't understand New Zealands obsession with home detention for serious crimes. Back home you'll get home detention (and in most cases theyll cuff an ankle bracelet on you just to make sure you don't leave) if you're on bail for money laundering or some other white collar crap.

Getting caught driving drunk is a minimum 6 month license suspension and 10,000$. Just for driving drunk. Add in hitting somebody, causing am amputation, you'd be sitting in the pen for a good 1-2 years at mimimum on top of paying reparations.

As somebody who's only been in the country 4-5 years myself, if I had been stupid enough to do something like that, I would fully expect to be deported after a lengthy stint in jail.


Slightly off topic, but how exactly did the motorcyclist get hit? I regularly drive the length southern motorway home after 10pm, and even if the car had it's lights off, I can't see how you wouldn't see the other guy coming. The motorway is extremely well lit, you can see ages ahead of you, and it's 3 lanes the entire way.

Not knockin the guy that got hit or sayin it's his fault or anything like that. Just tryin to figure out how the poor guy got had his life drastically changed. I'd rather not run into the same situation :shutup:

[Banditbandit]

Home detention isn't a punishment. It's a vacation.

Tried it have you? Try staying within the bounds of your home (house and section) for two years ... No going to the dairy for milk or newspaper ... "I'll just nip down to the .." No sorry - you can't ... "Walk the dog?" No sorry - you can't ... "Pick up the kids after school" No sorry ... "Drive ..." NO ... "enrol in a class" No sorry ...

And yes, you do get to wear a braclet to track your wearabouts so you don't walk the dog ..

Not that I am saying that it was a suitable punishement for this one .. but I don't see it would be a vacation .. you'd get just as bloody sick of sitting in front of the TV every day as you would sitting in a cell ...

[Glowerss]

Tried it have you? Try staying within the bounds of your home (house and section) for two years ... No going to the dairy for milk or newspaper ... "I'll just nip down to the .." No sorry - you can't ... "Walk the dog?" No sorry - you can't ... "Pick up the kids after school" No sorry ... "Drive ..." NO ... "enrol in a class" No sorry ...

And yes, you do get to wear a braclet to track your wearabouts so you don't walk the dog ..

Not that I am saying that it was a suitable punishement for this one .. but I don't see it would be a vacation .. you'd get just as bloody sick of sitting in front of the TV every day as you would sitting in a cell ...

There are an awful lot of inmates who would completely disagree with you. There are almost an infinite number of things you can do within your house. Online courses exist. Owning a computer and an internet connection grants you access to an awful lot of stuff. Not to mention you can still see your friends/family/dog every damn day.

And it isn't even 2 years. Homie got 6 months. Shit, some people making staying at home a profession.

Sorry, 6 months home detention isn't a punishment, it's a vacation.

Now, if they take away all of his shit here, then I would agree it's a punishment. Leave him at home with no television, no phone, no computer, no video game consoles. Nothing.

That, I would be fine with. That's jail without everyone else having to pay for it. Sweet as.

The only tangible "punishment" in there is that he can't work. Boo fuckin Hoo.

Dude who LOST HIS FUCKIN LEG probably spent a hell of a lot longer in the hospital/ at home /rehab// learning to get around with 1 leg then 6 months.

[FJRider]

Older than I, and I have yet to confuse the sides of the road.

Perhaps you handle your booze better.

And it wasn't just the wrong side of the road ... it was the wrong side of the motorway.

[FJRider]

There are an awful lot of inmates who would completely disagree with you. There are almost an infinite number of things you can do within your house. Online courses exist. Owning a computer and an internet connection grants you access to an awful lot of stuff. Not to mention you can still see your friends/family/dog every damn day.

And it isn't even 2 years. Homie got 6 months. Shit, some people making staying at home a profession.

Sorry, 6 months home detention isn't a punishment, it's a vacation.

Now, if they take away all of his shit here, then I would agree it's a punishment. Leave him at home with no television, no phone, no computer, no video game consoles. Nothing.

That, I would be fine with. That's jail without everyone else having to pay for it. Sweet as.

The only tangible "punishment" in there is that he can't work. Boo fuckin Hoo.

Dude who LOST HIS FUCKIN LEG probably spent a hell of a lot longer in the hospital/ at home /rehab// learning to get around with 1 leg then 6 months.

For 6 months he is confined to his home. (alone ... ??) Any income (benefit .. ??) he gets he can't go out and spend. After paying ten grand to his victim ... the phone bill needs paid (to get online) power bill needs paid (to cook) food needs bought ... His family are in India ... and they won't help him.
The loss of license was for eighteen months ... after a loss of license for twelve months and one day ... a total resit is required to get a drivers license. (Learners,restricted ETC)

And I wonder if his employer wants him back. And if the work visa isn't granted ... it's home James for him anyway.

And the court conviction will see he doesn't get another entry visa ... again.

[FJRider]

Our legal system?
Try working with it on a daily basis...:rolleyes:

I've found ... minefields are more fun. With them ... you at least KNOW what makes them explode ... :shifty:

[Road kill]

Home detention isn't a punishment. It's a vacation. I don't understand New Zealands obsession with home detention for serious crimes. Back home you'll get home detention (and in most cases theyll cuff an ankle bracelet on you just to make sure you don't leave) if you're on bail for money laundering or some other white collar crap.

Getting caught driving drunk is a minimum 6 month license suspension and 10,000$. Just for driving drunk. Add in hitting somebody, causing am amputation, you'd be sitting in the pen for a good 1-2 years at mimimum on top of paying reparations.

As somebody who's only been in the country 4-5 years myself, if I had been stupid enough to do something like that, I would fully expect to be deported after a lengthy stint in jail.


Slightly off topic, but how exactly did the motorcyclist get hit? I regularly drive the length southern motorway home after 10pm, and even if the car had it's lights off, I can't see how you wouldn't see the other guy coming. The motorway is extremely well lit, you can see ages ahead of you, and it's 3 lanes the entire way.

Not knockin the guy that got hit or sayin it's his fault or anything like that. Just tryin to figure out how the poor guy got had his life drastically changed. I'd rather not run into the same situation :shutup:

People go where they look.

That's how he would of got hit,both the car driver and the rider would of been looking at each other.

Any thing odd, look for the way out not at what you want to avoid.

[RDJ]

Agreed. He got himself into a situation where he was not in control of his actions. The problem is that he didn't have people around him to stop him from driving.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? Did he or did he not pour alcohol down his own throat? And the problem is some third parties did not stop him from driving? Sheesh.

[nathanwhite]

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? Did he or did he not pour alcohol down his own throat? And the problem is some third parties did not stop him from driving? Sheesh.

True, that could be phrased better.


He got himself into a situation where he was not in control of his actions. Adding to the problem is the fact that he didn't have anyone around to stop him from driving.

I was not trying to suggest that he did not cause the problem. Rather the situation could have been avoided had he had a peer group to stop him

[Akzle]

Rather the situation could have been avoided had he had a peer group to stop him

...OR,
NZ could convert to islam, then alcohol wouldnae be available... then all the poor black folk would have to find something else to spend their dole on....

[Brett]

...OR,
NZ could convert to islam, then alcohol wouldnae be available... then all the poor black folk would have to find something else to spend their dole on....

Yeah...'cause that's exactly what this world needs...MORE fundamentalists wanting to slit our western throats and blow up every structure within sight for suggesting that they live like a pack of dogs. There won't be anything left to blow up soon!

[Akzle]

Yeah...'cause that's exactly what this world needs...MORE fundamentalists wanting to slit our western throats and blow up every structure within sight for suggesting that they live like a pack of dogs. There won't be anything left to blow up soon!

you agree too! :niceone: excellent. i'll send the petition your way!

[RDJ]

...OR,
NZ could convert to islam, then alcohol wouldnae be available...


Hmmm... check out how the so-called adherents of Islam behave wrt alcohol once they're out of sight of the religious police...

[Akzle]

Hmmm... check out how the so-called adherents of Islam behave wrt alcohol once they're out of sight of the religious police...

that'd be the difference between "so called adherence" and "adherence"
thing is, if the "judeo-christian right" in this country adhered to their religious principals, if we went back to being the god-fearing citizens envisioned by the founding forbears, there'd be a lot less tom-fuckery aswell.

[RDJ]

that'd be the difference between "so called adherence" and "adherence"
thing is, if the "judeo-christian right" in this country adhered to their religious principals, if we went back to being the god-fearing citizens envisioned by the founding forbears, there'd be a lot less tom-fuckery aswell.

Very true. OTOH the Judeo-Christian right are not so much decapitating people, lapidating adulteresses, shooting teenage girls in the head for contrary views and so forth as do the adherents of the Religion Of Peace (TM). Plus, anyone can visit Rome. Mecca, not. IOW, these not the droids of moral equivalence you are looking for...

[Akzle]

Very true. OTOH the Judeo-Christian right are not so much decapitating people, lapidating adulteresses, shooting teenage girls in the head for contrary views and so forth as do the adherents of the Religion Of Peace (TM). Plus, anyone can visit Rome. Mecca, not. IOW, these not the droids of moral equivalence you are looking for...

sorry, remind me again what the judeo-christians have been doing in iraq, afghanistan for the last decade or two?

but that's okay a'cause we only drop "smart" bombs on hospitals, eh? and we're SO humane, since "banning" cluster munition...

what makes you think it's your fucken right to dictate how another country (outside even your government's jurisdiction) should govern itself?

[RDJ]

sorry, remind me again what the judeo-christians have been doing in iraq, afghanistan for the last decade or two?

Sure, especially since you asked so nicely. You will have seen the purple thumbs pix yes? when more than 10 million men and women registered to vote in Afghanistan’s first ever democratic election.

Not done without cost...

[Akzle]

Sure, especially since you asked so nicely. You will have seen the purple thumbs pix yes? when more than 10 million men and women registered to vote in Afghanistan’s first ever democratic election.

Not done without cost...

:killingme
because democracy works so well everywhere else. :lol:

so remind me again what authority gave you jurisdiction over the middle east?

[scumdog]

:killingme
because democracy works so well everywhere else. :lol:

so remind me again what authority gave you jurisdiction over the middle east?

Listen to him people, Akzle knows EVERYTHING and 'what-should-be done.

[Akzle]

Listen to him people, Akzle knows EVERYTHING and 'what-should-be done.

you guys should listen to him on this one. (only this one)
:D:D:D

[Banditbandit]

There are an awful lot of inmates who would completely disagree with you.

Of course there will be - home detention is always going to be better than actual jail time ... yopu get to shag the missus for a start ..

But that does not mean that Home D is a vacation ...

[Banditbandit]

Very true. OTOH the Judeo-Christian right are not so much decapitating people, lapidating adulteresses, shooting teenage girls in the head for contrary views and so forth as do the adherents of the Religion Of Peace (TM).

Are you for real?

Anders Breivik in Norway was Christian Right

How about this example - Christian terrorists bomb abortion clinic and gay night club ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2873221

How about these murderers?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/28/scott-roeder-abortion-doctor-killer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

Christian terrorists are as bad as the Moslem ones ... we just don't here about them in GodZone as often as we hear about Moslem terrorists because they usually attack in the Great Satan ... (Imagine - a terrorist attacking in their own country!!!)

[pritch]

One other reason why we should allow concealed carry handguns here. If she had had one and known how to use it: no problem

Heart warming story in the USA the other day. A twelve year old girl home alone heard a guy breaking into the house, phoned mum.
Mum told her to get the gun (Glock .40) then hide in a cupboard and phone 911.

The girl did this and the Police told her a car was on the way while she listened to the crim moving through the house, until the cupboard door started to open. At which point she fired through the door.

Police found the guy down the road bleeding.

Perhaps her parents need to explain that if you keep pulling the trigger the gun will keep firing - well, until it's empty. And in this case while she didn't properly identify her target (as one comment to the newspaper pointed out) I wouldn't hold that against her at all.

One report of many:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/12-year-old-girl-home-alone-uses-family-gun-to-shoot-intruder/

[Akzle]

not to mention that the actual incidences of stonings/shootings/bombings is blown WAY out of proportion.
that would be like abjizzerstan staging a decade long land based occupation of NZ based on media reports of ben smart/olivia hope murder, beast of blenheim, jorgen molenaar, police commisioner rape charges, corrupt MP and PM, etc

one man's terrorist (usually a western white man) is another's freedom fighter. and you all know that the enmies of freedom are the axis of evil and hate with jihad and derpderp. fortunately, they're all a-rabs, which makes it easy to locate and kill them, for peace.

[RDJ]

Are you for real?

Anders Breivik in Norway was Christian Right

How about this example - Christian terrorists bomb abortion clinic and gay night club ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2873221

How about these murderers?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/28/scott-roeder-abortion-doctor-killer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

Christian terrorists are as bad as the Moslem ones ... we just don't here about them in GodZone as often as we hear about Moslem terrorists because they usually attack in the Great Satan ... (Imagine - a terrorist attacking in their own country!!!)

We do appreciate your desparate need to gloss over the disparity in numbers and effects - and we appreciate the need for your moral relativisim to brook no contact with reality. You might occasionally however want to reflect on the fact that the number one killer of Muslims is not the Great Satan by any order of magnitude, but rather other Muslims...

[awayatc]

THey are not .. who said he was devout? Just like Christians are not allowed sex outside marriage ...

only when you are drunk though.........

You will find out that somehow it is all our fault....
western society....
Bikers in general...
And yet another bike ACC case.....
all drunk drivers should be shot
muslims or not

[Akzle]

the number one killer of Muslims is not the Great Satan by any order of magnitude, but rather other Muslims...
:facepalm:
he's beyond hope. :facepalm:

[scumdog]

You might occasionally however want to reflect on the fact that the number one killer of Muslims is not the Great Satan by any order of magnitude, but rather other Muslims...

A Muslim blowing himself hardly constitutes Muslims killing Muslims....I think:(

[98tls]

A Muslim blowing himself hard(

:eek5:Cheeky fuckers.

[Clockwork]

:facepalm:
he's beyond hope. :facepalm:

... and you appear to have run out of rational arguments.



Not that's ever stopped you before.

[Banditbandit]

We do appreciate your desparate need to gloss over the disparity in numbers and effects - and we appreciate the need for your moral relativisim to brook no contact with reality. You might occasionally however want to reflect on the fact that the number one killer of Muslims is not the Great Satan by any order of magnitude, but rather other Muslims...

Of course ... and how is that relevent to this discussion? And my use of the term "The Great Satan" was more satirical than anything else ... I guess subtlety is lost in KB ...

Moral relativism? What the fuck is that? Right is Right and Wrong is Wrong - we will just disagree about what actions fall into which category ...

[Akzle]

... and you appear to have run out of rational arguments.

Not that's ever stopped you before.

Like fuck it hasn't! and why should it!
who are you to say i EVER had a rational argument!?!
you know where you are, right?! this is KB. not having a position or any kind of fact to back yourself hasn't stopped anyone from this kind of indignant rage! (true story - you're here.)