OK - what does KB think of this?

[Paul in NZ]

Personally - I think for a 'pokie trust' to attack fishing contest spot prizes and A&P shows makes me want to puke!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10841884

"The crackdown comes after a complaint from a pokies trust, which argued that its business was being undermined by events like A&P shows and trade shows that give away spot prizes such as cars, boats and holidays."

WTF??? What would you like? Us all to be fat loosers sitting in your dingy dens throwing embezelled money down your fucking thoats you greedy cunts... Not happy with the lives you have ruined already?

SERIOUSLY this is fucked up. We (as a family) enter our local surfcasting comp every year. The weathers always outrageous and feck all fish get caught so most pizes for biggest tuna etc get unclaimed and tipped into the pool for spot prizes. Damn near every kid wins a prize and some of them are frickin epic (like a 42" plasma to a 12 year old last year).... The look on his face was BRILLIANT but he was up at sparrows fart, fished his guts out in the rain for hours - whats wrong with that?

I am going to get hold of my MP and complain my guts out....

This is as anti KIWI as it gets.... Cunts....

[James Deuce]

Organised crime always makes the most of government sponsorship.

[mossy1200]

First government to stand up and say they will ban pokies gets my vote.
Sports clubs that run pokies can go back to collection and their players paying subs just like we pay ACC to ride our bikes.

Pokies takes away the future of alot of little kiwis and effects the people that cant afford to lose money as well as destroying marriages.
Why did we even allow them.

I have less issues with a fishing comp with prizes. At least the entry is a fixed price paid once rather than 5 trips to a ATM machine untill the victim has no money left. My wife sees people drain their accounts on pay day every week and run down the road to the pub. They return a few days later and complain that bank charges after their rent payments being reversed etc have put them into overdraft.:wait:

[Nova.]

meh not much one for fishing myself.

[mashman]

heh... I read that earlier today and could only :facepalm:.

"Catching a tagged fish requires some knowledge or skill, but Internal Affairs believes winning relies on a large element of chance. Fishing competitions are still allowed to award prizes for catching the most fish, or the biggest fish, because this is regarded as skill."

:killingme... yup, the most skilful fisherman always catches the most and the biggest fish because his catch does not depend on skill.

Agree wiv ya bigtime. I'd be gutted.

[Coldrider]

yup, the most skilful fisherman always catches the most and the biggest fish because his catch does not depend on skill.or the fish :sweatdrophttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaJNXnH1_g

[98tls]

First government to stand up and say they will ban pokies gets my vote.
Sports clubs that run pokies can go back to collection and their players paying subs just like we pay ACC to ride our bikes.

Pokies takes away the future of alot of little kiwis and effects the people that cant afford to lose money as well as destroying marriages.
Why did we even allow them.



First government that does more than slap the wrists of child killers/granny bashers/drink drivers that are allowed to continue drinking/driving until they finally kill someone/:facepalm:fuck the list is endless,they will get my vote.

[mashman]

or the fish :sweatdrophttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaJNXnH1_g

heh... saw that on the news the other night and thought the fella in white was blardy lucky not to have been Irwin'd.

[FJRider]

The "Pokie Trusts" themselves are coming under pressure. They have to obey the rules too.

A bit of "the pot calling the kettle black" ... but if the fishing contest was outside the law. Their issue to get it right.

[RDJ]

Organised crime always makes the most of government sponsorship.

Government sponsorship is frequently organized crime. The taxman takes your money under threat, and redistributes it to those it deems deserving. Deserving often being defined as "my party's voting bloc". Do not rinse, but do repeat...

[MSTRS]

It's bullshit.
First thing I thought when I read it this morning was that all insurance should be banned. Using their gambling 'logic' that is exactly what insurance is, eh?

[Road kill]

Just another attack on the kiwi life style by the rich and selfish.

So really,,,whats new,,I mean the old lady can't even donate home cooked cake to the local school fair anymore,,just because some smarmy fuck got a food licence to sell dodgy hot dogs an now wants to protect his turf (the true story) FFS.

[Flip]

This certanly goes against the principle of natural justice.

I have never put a cent in a pokie and never will :innocent:

[Yow Ling]

the pokie trusts are in the business of handing out spot prizes to lots of people, the rugby union depends heavily on them, no pokies no all blacks !
charities also depend on them, taking money from people who can't afford it and giving it to people that say they are living in poverty, Robin Hood 2012

funny how the govt's are happy to try and stop smoking (and good on them) but a little reluctant to help people out of their gambling addictions

[SMOKEU]

First government to stand up and say they will ban pokies gets my vote.
Sports clubs that run pokies can go back to collection and their players paying subs just like we pay ACC to ride our bikes.

Pokies takes away the future of alot of little kiwis and effects the people that cant afford to lose money as well as destroying marriages.
Why did we even allow them.



I agree, we should also ban alcohol because some people drink too much and we should ban cars because some people are dangerous drivers. Punishing the majority for the stupidity of the minority seems to be the new craze these days.

[mossy1200]

I agree, we should also ban alcohol because some people drink too much and we should ban cars because some people are dangerous drivers. Punishing the majority for the stupidity of the minority seems to be the new craze these days.

The first step is admitting you have a problem Smokeu.

So pokie players fit into 2 catagories

the first is the addicted who cant stop.
the second is the casual who doesnt need to play them but may become addicted.

So ban pokies isnt harming them.

The clubs and charities collecting survived before hand. How about rugby players paying subs like ACC make us pay to ride.

Or should MNZ get a bunch of pokies and pay our ACC premiums for us?

[Big Dave]

'I went to Gamblers Anonymous. They gave me 4 to 1 that I wouldn't make it' - Dangerfield, R.

[Hitcher]

Whenever I see those multipage advertisements in weekend newspapers from pokies trusts and other dirty money agencies telling us how generous they are redistributing their ill-gotten gains back into society, I taste a little sick in the back of my mouth.

Double-ended dependency surely benefits nobody. There are all of the have-nots who can't afford to lose money on slot machines, lotto tickets and the like who have their hardship further intensified by the promise of that big win that would turn their lives around. Then there are dozens of worthy community causes who have become dependent on the dirty money moguls to keep them afloat. That doesn't sound like justice or particularly clever form of community engagement to me.

[GDOBSSOR]

A&P shows and trade shows are part of our culture. They are undermining Pokie businesses which are NOT part of our culture? GOOD!

[FJRider]

Then there are dozens of worthy community causes who have become dependent on the dirty money moguls to keep them afloat. That doesn't sound like justice or particularly clever form of community engagement to me.

More often they don't want to dig into their own pockets to keep their club financial.

They want the best gear for their clubs ... and don't care where the money comes from. And often as not ... some of those clubs have their own machines.

[SMOKEU]

The first step is admitting you have a problem Smokeu.

So pokie players fit into 2 catagories

the first is the addicted who cant stop.
the second is the casual who doesnt need to play them but may become addicted.

So ban pokies isnt harming them.

The clubs and charities collecting survived before hand. How about rugby players paying subs like ACC make us pay to ride.

Or should MNZ get a bunch of pokies and pay our ACC premiums for us?

Again, why should the majority of people be punished for the actions and stupidity of a minority? If some people gamble their life away then it's their choice and it's not my problem. I enjoy the odd go at the pokies (I spend less than $50 a year on gambling), so I don't see how it's fair for that to be taken away from responsible people such as myself.

[scumdog]

Again, why should the majority of people be punished for the actions and stupidity of a minority? If some people gamble their life away then it's their choice and it's not my problem. I enjoy the odd go at the pokies (I spend less than $50 a year on gambling), so I don't see how it's fair for that to be taken away from responsible people such as myself.

OK, I'll bite at your troll...

So using your logic drink-driving should be legal? - After all, only a minority ever cause problems to anybody..

[mossy1200]

Again, why should the majority of people be punished for the actions and stupidity of a minority? If some people gamble their life away then it's their choice and it's not my problem. I enjoy the odd go at the pokies (I spend less than $50 a year on gambling), so I don't see how it's fair for that to be taken away from responsible people such as myself.

So if you spend 50 but dont want to lose the ability to play a pokie machine for the social improvement of your community. Does this not say your selfish?
Smokeu. What difference would the lack of pokies make to you?
The average pokie player doesnt spend 50 per year and they get to a stage where they spend more than they can afford. I think you will find that your the minority if you spend 50 a year not the majority.

[Big Dave]

OK, I'll bite at your troll...

So using your logic drink-driving should be legal? - After all, only a minority ever cause problems to anybody..

Cool - I'll have a double thanks.

[SMOKEU]

OK, I'll bite at your troll...

So using your logic drink-driving should be legal? - After all, only a minority ever cause problems to anybody..

The risk of causing severe harm or death to innocent people from driving with EBA is very real. I don't see how a pokie machine is going to kill someone, unless there is an electrical fault with the machine and it electrocutes the player, or if there's an earthquake and it crushes someone when it falls over. It would be interesting to see pokie death or ACC statistics.


So if you spend 50 but dont want to lose the ability to play a pokie machine for the social improvement of your community. Does this not say your selfish?
Smokeu. What difference would the lack of pokies make to you?
The average pokie player doesnt spend 50 per year and they get to a stage where they spend more than they can afford. I think you will find that your the minority if you spend 50 a year not the majority.

It's their choice to gamble excessively. As far as I'm aware, no one holds a gun to anyones head and forces them to gamble. It's not much different to overweight people who stuff themselves with unhealthy food. If people can't control their own behaviour in terms of gambling, then I really don't care as it's not my problem. The minimum age to gamble in this country is 18 - and at that age someone is legally an adult, and should be able to make informative decisions. If they are mentally incapable of doing so, then they should be confined to a mental institution as something is severely wrong with that person.

Like I've said before, a big problem with this country is a lack of self responsibility. All the PC lefties want to ban pretty much everything that is potentially liable to abuse. Maybe we should ban petrol, because some people sniff it to get high. We should also ban knives because some people use them as a weapon. Let's ban motorcycles as well, because some people ride them dangerously. Let's just ban everything that could potentially cause harm, then we can all live in caves.

[bogan]

Highlights the need to adjust the laws a bit I reckon. Yes its technically gambling, but as it only happens once per year, there's no chance of a problematic habit forming.


The risk of causing severe harm or death to innocent people from driving with EBA is very real. I don't see how a pokie machine is going to kill someone, unless there is an electrical fault with the machine and it electrocutes the player, or if there's an earthquake and it crushes someone when it falls over. It would be interesting to see pokie death or ACC statistics.

They'll be filed under domestic violence.


It's their choice to gamble excessively. As far as I'm aware, no one holds a gun to anyones head and forces them to gamble. It's not much different to overweight people who stuff themselves with unhealthy food. If people can't control their own behaviour in terms of gambling, then I really don't care as it's not my problem. The minimum age to gamble in this country is 18 - and at that age someone is legally an adult, and should be able to make informative decisions. If they are mentally incapable of doing so, then they should be confined to a mental institution as something is severely wrong with that person.

Like I've said before, a big problem with this country is a lack of self responsibility. All the PC lefties want to ban pretty much everything that is potentially liable to abuse. Maybe we should ban petrol, because some people sniff it to get high. We should also ban knives because some people use them as a weapon. Let's ban motorcycles as well, because some people ride them dangerously. Let's just ban everything that could potentially cause harm, then we can all live in caves.

The difference is gambling's business model makes money off an unhealthy addiction, a more apt comparison would be with smokers. Personally I don't think it should be banned (as many people do gamble healthily), but more checks to limit problem gambling could be put in place.

[Akzle]

Organised crime *is government.
:

Government sponsorship is frequently organized crime. The taxman takes your money under threat, and redistributes it to those it deems deserving. Deserving often being defined as "my party's voting bloc". Do not rinse, but do repeat...


First government...


First government...vote.

ever considered that it might just be that whole "voting" and "government will solve my problems" attitude that has got ya this far?

[mossy1200]

The risk of causing severe harm or death to innocent people from driving with EBA is very real. I don't see how a pokie machine is going to kill someone, unless there is an electrical fault with the machine and it electrocutes the player, or if there's an earthquake and it crushes someone when it falls over. It would be interesting to see pokie death or ACC statistics.



It's their choice to gamble excessively. As far as I'm aware, no one holds a gun to anyones head and forces them to gamble. It's not much different to overweight people who stuff themselves with unhealthy food. If people can't control their own behaviour in terms of gambling, then I really don't care as it's not my problem. The minimum age to gamble in this country is 18 - and at that age someone is legally an adult, and should be able to make informative decisions. If they are mentally incapable of doing so, then they should be confined to a mental institution as something is severely wrong with that person.

Like I've said before, a big problem with this country is a lack of self responsibility. All the PC lefties want to ban pretty much everything that is potentially liable to abuse. Maybe we should ban petrol, because some people sniff it to get high. We should also ban knives because some people use them as a weapon. Let's ban motorcycles as well, because some people ride them dangerously. Let's just ban everything that could potentially cause harm, then we can all live in caves.

Well you go tell the kid that doesnt get food because the monies in a machine or the wife that ends up homeless because the mortgage stopped getting payed 3months earlier.
Your so short sighted you cant see a flow on effect if its about to mow you down.
Maybe someone will steal your bike and sell it to feed their gambling addiction so you can wake up.

[mossy1200]

:






ever considered that it might just be that whole "voting" and "government will solve my problems" attitude that has got ya this far?

I dont have a gambling problem but I know its there. I stated idd vote for change.

[scumdog]

The risk of causing severe harm or death to innocent people from driving with EBA is very real. I don't see how a pokie machine is going to kill someone, unless there is an electrical fault with the machine and it electrocutes the player, or if there's an earthquake and it crushes someone when it falls over. It would be interesting to see pokie death or ACC statistics..

I feel there's an analogy going unnoticed...:rolleyes::facepalm::facepalm::facepal m:

[SMOKEU]

Highlights the need to adjust the laws a bit I reckon. Yes its technically gambling, but as it only happens once per year, there's no chance of a problematic habit forming.

The difference is gambling's business model makes money off an unhealthy addiction, a more apt comparison would be with smokers. Personally I don't think it should be banned (as many people do gamble healthily), but more checks to limit problem gambling could be put in place.


Well you go tell the kid that doesnt get food because the monies in a machine or the wife that ends up homeless because the mortgage stopped getting payed 3months earlier.
Your so short sighted you cant see a flow on effect if its about to mow you down.
Maybe someone will steal your bike and sell it to feed their gambling addiction so you can wake up.

You're forgetting that gambling is a CHOICE that people make. They can CHOOSE not to gamble if they don't want to. It's not physically addictive like drugs or alcohol; the body does not crave it, and I simply don't believe the whole "gambling is addictive" bullshit. A good family friend of ours had a good career and a house, but then he gambled it all away to the point that all he had was the clothes on his back. Yet, I don't believe for one minute that he didn't have a choice in what he did. He simply gambled more to try and cover the losses, but no one held a gun to his head or a knife to his throat and forced him to gamble his life away. If a child goes hungry because the parents are wasting all their money on gambling, then it's not the fault of the pokie machines or the pub who runs them.

People should start to learn to take some fucking responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming everything on society. These days it's far too easy to look for a scapegoat rather than for people to sort their own shit out.

[bogan]

You're forgetting that gambling is a CHOICE that people make. They can CHOOSE not to gamble if they don't want to. It's not physically addictive like drugs or alcohol; the body does not crave it, and I simply don't believe the whole "gambling is addictive" bullshit.

Physical or mental addiction both require the addicted to make the 'choice' to 'use' again. How can you say physical cravings are that much harder to ignore than mental ones? And some may argue the endorphines or whatever while gambling leads to physically motived cravings.

[Akzle]

You're forgetting that gambling is a CHOICE


no. gambling is an (mental) ILLNESS and they need HELP because they're just poor people, and they can't make decisions for themselves, now can they. if they did. well, they wouldn't need the government to do it for them. and the government knows you need them. they know what's best.
back to sleep.

[Paul in NZ]

FFS - this isnt about gambling addiction. Its about a set of miserable cunts trying to stop people having a good time doing the very things that make us Kiwis. Sure they are discussing the big ticket things like cars and boats etc offered as spot prizes but where does this end? It would make the good old chocolate wheel at the local school fair illegal or a prize draw at a trade show. Fuck em...

Make bloody pokies illegal and the only way you can gamble is spot prizes at outdoor events...

[oneofsix]

FFS - this isnt about gambling addiction. Its about a set of miserable cunts trying to stop people having a good time doing the very things that make us Kiwis. Sure they are discussing the big ticket things like cars and boats etc offered as spot prizes but where does this end? It would make the good old chocolate wheel at the local school fair illegal or a prize draw at a trade show. Fuck em...

Make bloody pokies illegal and the only way you can gamble is spot prizes at outdoor events...

Agree with some of that Paul but there has always been a limit below which they don't care, probably still $10 since we first decimalised. Still I understand and agree with your point of view, like any pokie addict is going to enter a fishing comp in the hope of getting a big prize FFS. The pokie companies are only trying a bit of mis-direction to take the heat off themselves and yet they and organisations like them are part of the cycle that has seen the need for the prizes to grow so big.

[Akzle]

...the good old chocolate wheel at the local school fair illegal ...already is. google your new food bill.

[oneofsix]

no. gambling is an (mental) ILLNESS and they need HELP because they're just poor people, and they can't make decisions for themselves, now can they. if they did. well, they wouldn't need the government to do it for them. and the government knows you need them. they know what's best.
back to sleep.

Appears the courts must agree with you reading this (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7852762/No-conviction-for-gambling-mum) yoyu can even abandon your kids and get discharged without conviction providing it is in a casino car park :facepalm:

I'm with Paul. leave the spot prizes alone at least these competitions get the people out and about instead of sitting in a dim room room consuming drink and food.

[mashman]

I'm with Paul. leave the spot prizes alone at least these competitions get the people out and about instead of sitting in a dim room room consuming drink and food.

Gambling with your health... praps the pokies trust should complain about that too