Red Devils & Kim .com

[puddytat]

Interesting article as it involves Dept. Inspector Grant Wormald of Kim .Com fame, who headed Operation Explorer....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7857337/case-thrown-out-over-false-arrest

[BoristheBiter]

So what they are saying is the cops made some shit up so their undercover agent can get some "street cred" and because of it they are not guilty?

Only judges in NZ:facepalm:

[puddytat]

False search warrants sounds slightly fraudulent to me.......Im not at all condoning the Red Devils,simply that the cops stuff up a major op by being....well ....dishonest.
Its stuff like this that make me just a tad more skeptical of their modus operandi & slightly worried about how "cavalier" some may be.

[BoristheBiter]

I actually think it is the court that is the problem.
The police should have stopped and withdrew the charge but that would have compromised the ongoing investigation.
The court should see how tied the cops hands are when it comes to things like this but once again it proves the courts are more on the side of crime.

[HenryDorsetCase]

So what they are saying is the cops made some shit up so their undercover agent can get some "street cred" and because of it they are not guilty?

Only judges in NZ:facepalm:

Actually no. the main reason it was thrown out was because Judges take the administration of justice pretty seriously. These fucking cowboy cops had FORGED A SEARCH WARRANT, among other things. The rules of the game only apply to one side, sure, but they do apply to that side, otherwise its anarchy, and Mr Akzle will be in charge. And no one wants that.

This is the only sensible result. Every cop involved in the fiasco should be severely disciplined, if not sacked. Wormald as the OIC should be writing parking tickets in Invercargill in July, in shorts and a sunhat.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I actually think it is the court that is the problem.
The police should have stopped and withdrew the charge but that would have compromised the ongoing investigation.
The court should see how tied the cops hands are when it comes to things like this but once again it proves the courts are more on the side of crime.

If the courts were "on the side of crime" they would have let these crooked charges and crooked evidence obtained by crooked means, stand. That they didnt, I put it to you, is a win for actual justice far wider than some dirty bikers.


"However one looks at it, a fraud is being committed on the courts," Justice France said about the false arrest.

He said it appeared the police's conduct had components of committing criminal offences.

''The search warrant would seem to engage section 256 of the Crimes Acts 1961 and the swearing of a false information would seems to engage section 110 of the Crimes Act.''

[HenryDorsetCase]

Here are the relevant sections of the Crimes Act 1961: note the lengthy prison terms:


False oaths

Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years who, being required or authorised by law to make any statement on oath or affirmation, thereupon makes a statement that would amount to perjury if made in a judicial proceeding.

and


Forgery

(1) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years who makes a false document with the intention of using it to obtain any property, privilege, service, pecuniary advantage, benefit, or valuable consideration.

(2) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years who makes a false document, knowing it to be false, with the intent that it in any way be used or acted upon, whether in New Zealand or elsewhere, as genuine.

(3) Forgery is complete as soon as the document is made with the intent described in subsection (1) or with the knowledge and intent described in subsection (2).

(4) Forgery is complete even though the false document may be incomplete, or may not purport to be such a document as would be binding or sufficient in law, if it is so made and is such as to indicate that it was intended to be acted upon as genuine.

[Muppet]

If the courts were "on the side of crime" they would have let these crooked charges and crooked evidence obtained by crooked means, stand. That they didnt, I put it to you, is a win for actual justice far wider than some dirty bikers.

What Henry' is saying, is that if it can happen to them it can happen to you. This is why you have procedures and systems in place. Otherwise we'd be like Chile where they abducted people and threw them out of aircraft. I can think of a number of people I'd like to do this to. But I'd never get away with it, sigh.......

The Howard league for Penal Reform and other such hand wringing groups advocate for the same thing. Because the law applies to everyone, if Police make up false search warrants and are allowed to do it, then they'll do it again and as I said, you might be next. On the other side you have the Sensible Sentencing Trust. This is more my side of the coin, however over the last 20 years, how many times have you seen a bunch of savages kill children, get a light sentence and the witness the public furore. And what changes? Nothing.

My two cents worth.

[SPman]

I actually think it is the court that is the problem.
The police should have stopped and withdrew the charge but that would have compromised the ongoing investigation.
The court should see how tied the cops hands are when it comes to things like this but once again it proves the courts are more on the side of crime.
Bollocks!

This is the only sensible result. Every cop involved in the fiasco should be severely disciplined, if not sacked. Wormald as the OIC should be writing parking tickets in Invercargill in July, in shorts and a sunhat.
Wormald - the cop in charge of the Kim Dotcom case..........just more ammunition for K D's lawyers.......
Actions like this just fuck it up for the cops who take great pains to do it properly!

[BoristheBiter]

Actually no. .


What Henry' is saying, is that if it can happen to them it can happen to you. This is why you have procedures and systems in place. Otherwise we'd be like Chile where they abducted people and threw them out of aircraft. I can think of a number of people I'd like to do this to. But I'd never get away with it, sigh.......

The Howard league for Penal Reform and other such hand wringing groups advocate for the same thing. Because the law applies to everyone, if Police make up false search warrants and are allowed to do it, then they'll do it again and as I said, you might be next. On the other side you have the Sensible Sentencing Trust. This is more my side of the coin, however over the last 20 years, how many times have you seen a bunch of savages kill children, get a light sentence and the witness the public furore. And what changes? Nothing.

My two cents worth.

I thought it was because he is a lawyer.

To many times judges throw cases out when they are as guilty as sin, be that for a typo or such.
Lawyers (defense) are filthier than the crim's they defend and the courts pander too them as not to get appealed against.

As for this case, yes the cops fucked up in trying to get some street cred for the under cover cop. Doesn't mean that the case should be thrown out. It's not like it was an illegal search that found stuff for the case.
The cops should pay for a right royal fuck up but the case should still go ahead and see what other evidence there is.

Just more case against judges, and lawyers, that don't live in the real world.

And as for HDC post on the crimes act, don't make me laugh, ever seen a crim get punished for ling under oath? not fucking likely.

After years of seeing criminals get away with every type of crime I have had enough but like you say what changes? SFA. and you wonder why the cops just don't give a shit anymore.

[BoristheBiter]

Bollocks!

Wormald - the cop in charge of the Kim Dotcom case..........just more ammunition for K D's lawyers.......
Actions like this just fuck it up for the cops who take great pains to do it properly!

Bollocks to you too.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'm thinking of starting an incorporated society to be called "The Howard League for Penile Reform": It can be a support group for men with tiny penises (so, half of KB) and pre-operative transsexuals (the other half of KB).

Who's in?

[puddytat]

Bollocks!

Wormald - the cop in charge of the Kim Dotcom case..........just more ammunition for K D's lawyers.......
Actions like this just fuck it up for the cops who take great pains to do it properly!

See that for me is it in a nutshell... with the Police they are the Law as such & we need to be able to rely on them to do their job to the letter of the Law. Power corrupts? Maybe.
As for Crims...well theyre just fuckwits. So they have an easier time of it. They just need to try & not get caught. Most of them do.Get caught at some stage that is....
As for the courts, well there does need to be some kind of checks & balances on them when they get it wrong.

[Bassmatt]

I'm thinking of starting an incorporated society to be called "The Howard League for Penile Reform": It can be a support group for men with tiny penises (so, half of KB) and pre-operative transsexuals (the other half of KB).

Who's in?
Wife tells me to sign up quick :(

[Akzle]

If the courts were "on the side of crime" they would have let these crooked charges and crooked evidence obtained by crooked means, stand. That they didnt, I put it to you, is a win for actual justice far wider than some dirty bikers.

no. the courts are the crime. they stand, they allow these filthy animals called lawyers to play semantic games with other people's fates, without full disclosure, and they employ these failed-lawyers to make decisions about shit.
good fucken deal. or not.

[chasio]

I'm thinking of starting an incorporated society to be called "The Howard League for Penile Reform": It can be a support group for men with tiny penises (so, half of KB) and pre-operative transsexuals (the other half of KB).

Who's in?

Based on your criteria, the only logical answer to that question is, "Who would ever know?". :eek5:

[HenryDorsetCase]

I thought it was because he is a lawyer.

To many times judges throw cases out when they are as guilty as sin, be that for a typo or such.
Lawyers (defense) are filthier than the crim's they defend and the courts pander too them as not to get appealed against.

As for this case, yes the cops fucked up in trying to get some street cred for the under cover cop. Doesn't mean that the case should be thrown out. It's not like it was an illegal search that found stuff for the case.
The cops should pay for a right royal fuck up but the case should still go ahead and see what other evidence there is.

Just more case against judges, and lawyers, that don't live in the real world.

And as for HDC post on the crimes act, don't make me laugh, ever seen a crim get punished for ling under oath? not fucking likely.

After years of seeing criminals get away with every type of crime I have had enough but like you say what changes? SFA. and you wonder why the cops just don't give a shit anymore.

you don't know many lawyers or cops do you? and you haven't read what I posted, or any of the commentary have you?

This is not a case where some "typo" allowed a "crim" to "get off". This is a case of cowboy cops rorting the system. It strikes at the heart of what the justice system is, and what it does, it blurs the boundary between the executive and the judiciary, and damn right the charges had to have been dropped. In your post above the "Crim getting punished for lying under oath" would have been a policeman. Do you understand now, or are you just going back to sucking on the tit of the (Not very) sensible sentencing trust?

[HenryDorsetCase]

no. the courts are the crime. they stand, they allow these filthy animals called lawyers to play semantic games with other people's fates, without full disclosure, and they employ these failed-lawyers to make decisions about shit.
good fucken deal. or not.
is there a point in there somewhere?

[BoristheBiter]

you don't know many lawyers or cops do you? and you haven't read what I posted, or any of the commentary have you?

This is not a case where some "typo" allowed a "crim" to "get off". This is a case of cowboy cops rorting the system. It strikes at the heart of what the justice system is, and what it does, it blurs the boundary between the executive and the judiciary, and damn right the charges had to have been dropped. In your post above the "Crim getting punished for lying under oath" would have been a policeman. Do you understand now, or are you just going back to sucking on the tit of the (Not very) sensible sentencing trust?

Actually I know a lot of cops and they all hate Lawyers even more than I do.
They are lower than car salesman.

And the way I read it was it has nothing to do with any charges against the red devils and only to do with the undercover cop so it has no bearing on this case.

this is a case where some cred was needed and the courts wouldn't help, so my OP still stands, the judges just help the crims.

and seeing you brought it up if the judges handed out proper sentences we wouldn't need the SST.
But then there wouldn't be any need for all the lawyers so no wounder you don't like them.

[Bikemad]

who are these red devil retards...........i thought the lost breed were the only gang allowed in nelson........according to them anyway

[Banditbandit]

I thought it was because he is a lawyer.

To many times judges throw cases out when they are as guilty as sin, be that for a typo or such.


I give up .. How many?

And what if the cops fuck up and get guilty verdicts on innocent people? David Bain? Arthur Allan Thomas, Scott Watson maybe? As HDC points out .. happens to them can happen to you ...



Lawyers (defense) are filthier than the crim's they defend and the courts pander too them as not to get appealed against.



The defense lawyers are obliged to bring up anything they can to help their clients ... that is the law and that's their job ... there have been cases overturned because the defense lawyer did not do the best job they could ...

[Banditbandit]

no. the courts are the crime. they stand, they allow these filthy animals called lawyers to play semantic games with other people's fates, without full disclosure, and they employ these failed-lawyers to make decisions about shit.
good fucken deal. or not.


Which lawyers are you talking about? The Prosection lawyer, who's job is to paint the defendent black as sin ... or the Defense lawyer, whose job is to paint them white as snow?

Both are biased .. but I know which side the majority of you people believe ...

[Banditbandit]

So what they are saying is the cops made some shit up so their undercover agent can get some "street cred" and because of it they are not guilty?

Only judges in NZ:facepalm:

No .. what the court is saying is:

"cops swore a false oath to a court so their undercover agent can get some "street cred" and because of that the evidence is tainted and the cops can not PROVE GUILT."

Not Guilty does not necessarily mean that they did not do whatever they were accussed of ... it can also mean that the cops cannot prove it ...

[rastuscat]

Next time someone tells you that the Police reputation has suffered due to the merger with the MoT recall this and all the other Popo cock-ups.

[Muppet]

Next time someone tells you that the Police reputation has suffered due to the merger with the MoT recall this and all the other Popo cock-ups.

Wasn't the merger 20 years ago?:Police:

[BoristheBiter]

I give up .. How many?

And what if the cops fuck up and get guilty verdicts on innocent people? David Bain? Arthur Allan Thomas, Scott Watson maybe? As HDC points out .. happens to them can happen to you ...



The defense lawyers are obliged to bring up anything they can to help their clients ... that is the law and that's their job ... there have been cases overturned because the defense lawyer did not do the best job they could ...

Well only one of those is innocent and just because they are doing they job doesn't mean they aren't filth.


No .. what the court is saying is:

"cops swore a false oath to a court so their undercover agent can get some "street cred" and because of that the evidence is tainted and the cops can not PROVE GUILT."

Not Guilty does not necessarily mean that they did not do whatever they were accused of ... it can also mean that the cops cannot prove it ...

But the case with the cop had nothing to do with the case against the red devils so no the evidence is not tainted it is just more abuse of judges powers.
Fucking wankers the lot of them.

[tri boy]

And the way I read it was it has nothing to do with any charges against the red devils and only to do with the undercover cop so it has no bearing on this case.



:wacko:
So, the senior inspectors who OK'd the others to technically purger themselves in applying for the court to allow them to mislead both the judicial system,(which should always be seen as clean and independent, in a democratic society), and the NZ public, is totally irrelevant to the case at hand?:shit:
Tell me you are taking the piss, please.

[SPman]

Oh...it just gets better....

In a second case involving the Red Devils another judge was so concerned about a raid on club premises that he threw out charges against 28 people. Many are among the accused whose charges were dismissed yesterday.

The swoop on a barbecue at the Red Devils Motorcycle Club in Nelson was part of a two-year bid to snare gang members. About 50 people were at the August 2010 function and police suspected liquor laws were being broken.

However, in July this year Judge Chris Tuohy ruled out evidence because it was "improperly obtained" through "a series of breaches of the defendants' rights, some of which were significant infringements".

Officers had obtained search warrants to search the property but not individuals. After finding a small amount of drugs, they searched the party guests. Judge Tuohy said entry was "unlawful and unreasonable" as police chainsawed through fences despite being let through the front gate.

Judge Tuohy also said there was "no lawful basis" for the seizure of cash from guests. Some of those at the party were left with no money to get home, he said.

They were not adequately informed of their rights and were detained for a "unjustified length of time" in a cold yard in the early hours of a winter morning.

All 28 faced a charge of being on an unlicensed premises.

Just WTF is going on - not very professional behaviour by the polis at all - 2 cases thrown out because of cowboy behaviour - oh well - just get Judith to change the law again......and as for O'Connor.......:brick:

[Road kill]

Well only one of those is innocent and just because they are doing they job doesn't mean they aren't filth.



But the case with the cop had nothing to do with the case against the red devils so no the evidence is not tainted it is just more abuse of judges powers.
Fucking wankers the lot of them.

The case against the devils was "all about" the cops evidence,without that they had nothing but they tried to cheat the system an got caught out.

Personally I find it very hard to believe any ranking copper could of believed he would get away with this bullshit.

In fact who ever it was really needs to be looked at very closely because it was way more than just a mistake.

[Akzle]

is there a point in there somewhere?
there is, but it's nothing to move the discussion forward...

Which lawyers are you talking about? The Prosection lawyer, who's job is to paint the defendent black as sin ... or the Defense lawyer, whose job is to paint them white as snow?

Both are biased .. neither of them are biased. each has a job to do. and does it to the best of their ability.
that job, is read the script and put on the best act. if there were four judges sitting there drinking coke, and one was simon cowel, i think it'd be a lot clearer to the general public exactly what it's about.


Next time someone tells you that the Police reputation has suffered due to the merger with the MoT recall this and all the other Popo cock-ups.
he's right. that was a long time ago. it lowered the public perception of the politzei.
but you can't tell me that it was only the MoT (failed cop) boys that are the rot in the instrument of the crown known as the police,
...can ya?



Well only one of those is innocent and just because they are doing they job doesn't mean they aren't filth.

But the case with the cop had nothing to do with the case against the red devils so no the evidence is not tainted it is just more abuse of judges powers.
Fucking wankers the lot of them.
while the end result is correct, your working is a bit off.
but hey, if you'd believe the cops, the ((often falsely) perceived) end justifies the means, eh?


:wacko:
So, the senior inspectors who OK'd the others to technically purger themselves in applying for the court...
perjure*
from latin. per jurare: to swear.

to apply is to beg. no-one is obliged to beg for anything. when you beg "the court", they are not obliged to accept your begging/"application." this is what has happened, as far as i've heard.



Personally I find it very hard to believe any ranking copper could of believed he would get away with this bullshit.

In fact who ever it was really needs to be looked at very closely because it was way more than just a mistake.

i love your.... naiivety for lack of a better word. niceness?... something.
the stasi of modern day NZ are a sick, corrupt manifestation of a deeper collective psychosis. they are the front line agents of the government. if they're trying this on, imagine what the govt is doing behind the scenes ("i can't recall" - nixon much?)

i seriously believe the govt is just pushing the limits with this "raid people until they start shooting back" campaign. then we get a terrorism act/bill.

[Road kill]

I know their not green,but at lest try reading between the lines mate..FFS.:rolleyes:

Oh yeah forgot to add,,NZ already has anti terrorism laws.

Time to remove the tin foil hat mate.

[tbs]

there is, but it's nothing to move the discussion forward...
neither of them are biased. each has a job to do. and does it to the best of their ability.
that job, is read the script and put on the best act. if there were four judges sitting there drinking coke, and one was simon cowel, i think it'd be a lot clearer to the general public exactly what it's about.


he's right. that was a long time ago. it lowered the public perception of the politzei.
but you can't tell me that it was only the MoT (failed cop) boys that are the rot in the instrument of the crown known as the police,
...can ya?



while the end result is correct, your working is a bit off.
but hey, if you'd believe the cops, the ((often falsely) perceived) end justifies the means, eh?


perjure*
from latin. per jurare: to swear.

to apply is to beg. no-one is obliged to beg for anything. when you beg "the court", they are not obliged to accept your begging/"application." this is what has happened, as far as i've heard.




i love your.... naiivety for lack of a better word. niceness?... something.
the stasi of modern day NZ are a sick, corrupt manifestation of a deeper collective psychosis. they are the front line agents of the government. if they're trying this on, imagine what the govt is doing behind the scenes ("i can't recall" - nixon much?)

i seriously believe the govt is just pushing the limits with this "raid people until they start shooting back" campaign. then we get a terrorism act/bill.


Time to take your meds Alzle..... Or lay off them a bit maybe.... That paranoia is really starting to bite.


In this case you should be glad the judges decided the way they did. Failure to do so would have opened the door to interminably drawn out appeals to higher courts which tax-payers like myself (but not you obviously) would have had to fund.

[Conquiztador]

I could not care less what happens to the Red Devils. But for the police to use tactics from a B grade movie to try to get the result they wanted scares me. In this case it did not work out, they did a very crappy job and now all know about it. But what about all the other times similar tactics have been used and they have gotten away with it...

[scumdog]

But what about all the other times similar tactics have been used and they have gotten away with it...
It would be like the 'tree falling in the woods when nobody was there - does it make a noise' sort of thing...;)

[Conquiztador]

It would be like the 'tree falling in the woods when nobody was there - does it make a noise' sort of thing...;)

Not for the ones sitting in jail for something they did not do...

[Banditbandit]

I know their not green,but at lest try reading between the lines mate..FFS.:rolleyes:



Read between the lines? Shit .. many here have only just learnt to colour between the lines .. a few have graduated to being able to ride between the lines ... Read between the lines might be asking a bit much ...

[Banditbandit]

It would be like the 'tree falling in the woods when nobody was there - does it make a noise' sort of thing...;)

You mean .. If you do something wrong and don't get caught is it still wrong???

[SPman]

You mean .. If you do something wrong and don't get caught is it still wrong???In this current climate - it doesn't appear to be wrong even if you are caught! Just deny every thing, blame everyone else, and wait for it all to die down....before the next pile of shit hits the fan - classic sociopathic behaviour..........

[Conquiztador]

In this current climate - it doesn't appear to be wrong even if you are caught! Just deny every thing, blame everyone else, and wait for it all to die down....before the next pile of shit hits the fan - classic sociopathic behaviour..........

Or...the behaviour of someone who has come to the conclusion that the plebs do not know what is best for them.:nono:

[Akzle]

Or...the behaviour of someone who has come to the conclusion that the plebs do not know what is best for them.:nono:

of course they don't. if they did, why would they "elect" someone else to make decisions for them?

[mashman]

The rules of the game only apply to one side, sure, but they do apply to that side, otherwise its anarchy, and Mr Akzle will be in charge. And no one wants that.

I reckon I could handle it. You on the other hand.......

It only ever goes to reinforce the them and us attitude. There's no way in hell they can ban motorcycle gangs and there's no way in hell they have the resources to keep tabs on the "bad guys" 24/7... although the police could at least make the effort to follow the rules.

[Conquiztador]

Editorial: Red Devils bring a black day for police


OPINION: It doesn't get much worse than this for the New Zealand Police and it is especially painful that their shame is centred on Nelson.
Instead of ridding the city of a new gang threat, they've left the Red Devils riding high. Instead of showing they are on top of new criminal activity before it gets a foothold, they've exposed a self-centred, careless culture that ought to have every law-abiding New Zealander asking that important age-old question: who will guard the guards themselves?

In throwing out charges against 21 members or associates of the Red Devils Justice France has not equivocated. Police bosses must have winced at every page of the lengthy judgment. Calling the police reckless and their conduct surprising, unwise and fraudulent, the High Court judge decided that there was criminality in some of what they did. Their actions involved "serious misuse of the court, and a troubling misunderstanding of its functions". He concluded that "the court's processes have been abused in a significant way".

The decision is a disturbing read. Justice France identifies a long list of what can generously be called misjudgments on the part of the police involved in Operation Explorer. They range from forging a warrant - something the judge says was not done in good faith - to lying on oath by a "constable X". Police can count themselves lucky if no charges are laid against them, something Justice France says is ultimately a decision for other authorities. Crystal clear, though, is an arrogance in relation to this operation. There was ample time for those running it to take advice, the judge says, and the failure to do so was a principal flaw in their conduct.

Make no mistake. Criminal gangs are not wanted in our region. The great majority of residents will applaud Nelson Bays area commander Steve Greally's avowed intention to maintain an unceasing focus on them - and it is the police's Organised and Financial Crime Agency, not the Nelson police, who are carrying the can for this appalling botch-up. Nevertheless, there is a lot of ground to be made up before the public can be certain that the police both here and around New Zealand fully understand that they are subject to the law of the land just like everyone else.

As for Police Association president Greg O'Connor, he has surely demonstrated that he has reached his use-by date as the union head. Over a long period in the role, Mr O'Connor has frequently filled the void when the actual police leaders offer little or no comment in response to criticism. He has been a staunch defender of the front-liners but, like "Comical Ali", who in 2003 maintained Iraq's invulnerability as the US tanks could be seen rolling into Baghdad behind him, the union leader can no longer be taken seriously. What the police did is indefensible. Neither Mr O'Connor nor anyone in the management hierarchy should be suggesting anything contrary to that, or planning anything other than a solemn, heartfelt apology. As a rule, New Zealanders respect and back their police. But this firm court judgment knocks another chip from the enamel. The police must take the lessons on board or their image will be further tarnished.

[scumdog]

Editorial: Red Devils bring a black day for police


OPINION: It doesn't get much worse than this for the New Zealand Police and it is especially painful that their shame is centred on Nelson.
Instead of ridding the city of a new gang threat, they've left the Red Devils riding high. Instead of showing they are on top of new criminal activity before it gets a foothold, they've exposed a self-centred, careless culture that ought to have every law-abiding New Zealander asking that important age-old question: who will guard the guards themselves?

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I's an opinion from Nelson, New Zealands version of California - tha "Land of nuts and fruits" - any opinion from that province is bound to be weird and distorted...

[scumdog]

The rules of the game only apply to one side, sure, but they do apply to that side, otherwise its anarchy, and Mr Akzle will be in charge. And no one wants that.

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Fuck no, we certainly don't want THAT!:eek5:

[Akzle]

I's an opinion from Nelson, New Zealands version of California - tha "Land of nuts and fruits" - any opinion from that province is bound to be weird and distorted...

12, 615 posts.

has even ONE of them been fucken useful?

you're worse than me. i mean. i troll, but you.... :facepalm:

[igor]

Next time someone tells you that the Police reputation has suffered due to the merger with the MoT recall this and all the other Popo cock-ups.


i TAKE OFFENCe to this the comment. The CIB are perfect. The elite of the elite, just ask them. If ya lookin for them, out for coffee at local cafe.

Strange I was thinking what you wrote yesterday.

we also got to thanks ex D/Sgt who is a lawyer. He defended a Drugged driver and lost , he appealed to high Ct and lost every point. made some nice case law though. good one hahahahahahahaha

[rastuscat]

i TAKE OFFENCe to this the comment. The CIB are perfect. The elite of the elite, just ask them. If ya lookin for them, out for coffee at local cafe.a

CIB...............Can't I'm Busy. Points for innovative thinking, bulk negative points for how they forgot the law.

[Banditbandit]

I's an opinion from Nelson, New Zealands version of California - tha "Land of nuts and fruits" - any opinion from that province is bound to be weird and distorted...



12, 615 posts.

has even ONE of them been fucken useful?

you're worse than me. i mean. i troll, but you.... :facepalm:



Just remember which side of the law ScumDog is on ... then it becomes clear ...

[jim.cox]

CIB...............Can't I'm Busy.

Odd, I thought it was short for "Cunts In Blue"

[Str8 Jacket]

Anyone seen Lou Giridians (sp?) letter in the Dom Post? Where has he been these days?

[Coolz]

Just remember which side of the law ScumDog is on ... then it becomes clear ...

I think he struggles with this himself. He thinks he lives on the Riviera and Nelson is in California. At the moment he is probably cruising around in his v8 pickup looking for Daisy Duke!

[scumdog]

Odd, I thought it was short for "Cunts In Blue"

Don't see many wearing blue..:whistle:

[pritch]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/opinion/7871750/The-Secret-Diary-of-Detective-Inspector-Grant-Wormald

[Akzle]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/opinion/7871750/The-Secret-Diary-of-Detective-Inspector-Grant-Wormald

yeah. guess who the fall guy for this SHTF is....

[SPman]

Anyone seen Lou Giridians (sp?) letter in the Dom Post? Where has he been these days?
KB wasn't in the public eye, enough........more a bunch of motorcycling inbreds...........:whistle: