Youths ignore elderly man's pleas during home invasion

[GTRMAN]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7859033/Youths-ignore-elderly-mans-pleas-during-home-invasion


disgusting...

[Haggis2]

Fuckin cunts ay. Not too surprising out of Wainui....

[Tigadee]

Bloody cowards!:mad:

[unstuck]

Scumbags, really hope these little wannabe gangsters get caught. Boy are they gonna get a hiding down at the nick, good fucking job too. :mad::ar15:

[Maki]

It's not just the cowardice that gets to me. It is the sheer stupidity of someone who would do such a thing :brick:

[mashman]

Damn that's fucked up. Hope the guy gets on the mend and they catch the little bastards. For the love of money eh... hope you're all proud of the system that allows such things to take place.

[Maki]

Damn that's fucked up. Hope the guy gets on the mend and they catch the little bastards. For the love of money eh... hope you're all proud of the system that allows such things to take place.

What kind of system would prevent this from happening? The only system I can think of is one that does not allow morons to breed and produce more of them. If it was money they cared about they would rob a bank or perhaps they are too stupid to realize that.

[JimO]

wonder why there is no description of the offenders ..dont want to upset the PC brigade, 99.9% of the time that report would finish with police are looking for two maori or pacific islanders

[Str8 Jacket]

wonder why there is no description of the offenders ..dont want to upset the PC brigade, 99.9% of the time that report would finish with police are looking for two maori or pacific islanders

Probably because the poor old man was partially blind??

[Paul in NZ]

Pretty darn shitty thing to do....

[GTRMAN]

....but they left the broom covered in fingerprints behind, the gentleman is an ex fingerprint cop. How long exactly do you think before someone is knocking on their door?

[SMOKEU]

I bet their free court appointed lawyer will say "my client had an alcoholic mother, and the father a gang member who was in and out of jail while poor little Tahu was growing up. His sister was a hooker, and the brother a P dealer etc so please excuse his actions". The cunts will then get a heavily reduced sentence, and once released, they will most likely reoffend.

It's the same cunts who do the same shit over and over again, and the justice system is too pathetic to lock these animals up for long enough so they can't reoffend. I guess it's a balance between the rights of the offenders (not that they deserve rights) vs the right of members of the public to be safe.

[Str8 Jacket]

....but they left the broom covered in fingerprints behind, the gentleman is an ex fingerprint cop. How long exactly do you think before someone is knocking on their door?

I hope so, these bastards are scum.

[duckonin]

Some will blame their education. Or not feed enough milk at school. I call 'fucken little shit bags' who knew exactly what they were doing. Cunts should be strung up by the toes till the fucken things fall off.

[willytheekid]

just read about that (Its been a busy day!)...made my blood boil! :angry2:

http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2008/5/31/pureragelet128567405571220586.jpg

Those little bastards KNEW he was alone, and they KNEW he was partialy blind...yet it still took two of the little cowards!

I hope the cops catch them...with the biggest...angriest...most vicious, unrestrained poilce dog they have!
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00780/SNN1322DOG_280_780207a.jpg
...just wait, they WILL catch them...then our JOKE of a justice system will slap them on the wrist, and the Popo will get told off for "daring" to lock two innocent little kiddies in a police cell without fluffy pillows an xbox and KFC: http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/231563/kids-police-cells-denied-human-rights
-Fuck em!...do an adults crime...do an adults time!!

Thoughts go out to Jack...I hope he's recovering ok :bye:

[mashman]

What kind of system would prevent this from happening? The only system I can think of is one that does not allow morons to breed and produce more of them. If it was money they cared about they would rob a bank or perhaps they are too stupid to realize that.

If all they were after was the money, then a system without money COULD prevent this sort of shit from happening. :rofl:@robbing a bank... coz that's much easier. I'm not excusing their fucked up actions by any means, not in the slightest, jail, release, repeat offend, shoot 'em would be my justice system... but not were money is a motive.

[ducatilover]

I met him when I was a kid growing up in that hole, nice chap.
What a bunch of disgusting maggot fucks too, I'd love to broom handle those wankers

[awa355]

Asked a young arsehole why he did over an old lady that was in her 80's.

His answer? " Fuck man, old people are easy shit. They dont fight back. No sense robbing some cunt that might deal to me."

I told him he was a gutless bastard. He just laughed, " Fuck man, they already lived their lives,"

Unfortunately, there were cameras in the room. The PC brigade won again.

[willytheekid]

Asked a young arsehole why he did over an old lady that was in her 80's.

His answer? " Fuck man, old people are easy shit. They dont fight back. No sense robbing some cunt that might deal to me."

I told him he was a gutless bastard. He just laughed, " Fuck man, they already lived their lives,"

Unfortunately, there were cameras in the room. The PC brigade won again.

:eek5:....camera or not, I honestly don't think I would have had as much self control as you. (well done)

...Its quiet possible that I would have been the only one leaving the room in that situation.

I ran bars & night clubs around NZ for 14yrs...and I had to walk away due to the "youth" and there attitudes (spat at, screamed at, swung at...you name it!)...I had to leave after I nearly crippled a kid for punching a pregnant lady in the guts!, then he spat in my face for removing him.
I just snapped!...Im just a wee bloke...but that kid came close to being crippled for life! (spent 12yrs studying 3 types of martial arts)...Ive never lost control like that before, hence I had to find a new career...and Im glad I did.

ps:No..I don't do that shit anymore...too old, too slow, and too damn crippled!...walking is a challenge for me nowdays lol

[caseye]

No Respect.

This is the problem that we have bred into the last 3 or four generations of fine upstanding individuals, most of whom can't read nor write worth a damn and know that they are F...ed when it comes to getting anywhere in today's society, so they take the easy road.

Gee how'd that happen you ask?

Simple really,Allow the criminally inclined to breed.
take away teachers who give their all for the kids, replace them with salary earners who didn't get pulled up about their spelling, grammar, diction, appearance, attitude and or morals at school or University, who say Um all fucking day long and don't think they're doing themselves a disservice when amongst their worldly wise peers, because it only mattered that they were understood, not how they made themselves understood or heard.
Then take away School certificate, University Entrance exams and replace them with internal assessments by those same salary earners ( hello, seeing a pattern yet)
Then tell teachers that corporal punishment is a big no no cause it scars the kids.
Oh, don't forget about telling parents that they can't discipline their own children.
Add comrade Helen into the mix ( no kids of her own, easy peasy that kid raising)
Make the Police symbols of state control(thanks Helen, again) But hell don't let them actually Police anything.
Tell children how to get away with rorting the system and what their inalienable rights are under NZ's constitution. Anyone actually seen NZ's written constitution, I haven't.
Lastly of course make it illegal to not like homo's and lesbo's.Confused kids? hell no, they know it's OK, can't be confused, can they?
Shit and you wonder whats wrong?

Personal responsibility, taking care of themselves and or others simply does not feature on their radar.

Me,Me,me is what it is all about these days.
My rights.
My life.
My property, which of course can temporarily be your property,until I want it!

I'd say it's too late for many and that a simple solid brick walled room and the relatives of those they have abused, hurt,maimed or killed given free reign to do as they see fit would be a good start.
For fucks sake, "victims rights"!
Shouldn't it always have been about the victims right, to not be made one!
What good is a victims impact statement when if it's a bit harsh it's deemed not fit for court room consumption.While giving evidence do they miss out the juicy bits? C even we're doing it. They are not juicy bits, they are the relived worst nightmares of people who did nothing to anyone but became someone else s victim for their pleasure/fun and our so called media have got us thinking in terms of juicy.
Not unholy deeds of immense perversion and degradation committed on innocent people by mental retards who literally do it for the hell of it.Knowing that if they get caught they'll get a wt bus ticket over their naughty little wrists.

Hypocrits running the joint too!


:Oi:

[Murray]

I met him when I was a kid growing up in that hole, nice chap.
What a bunch of disgusting maggot fucks too, I'd love to broom handle those wankers

How long ago - did you go to wainuiomata college? - I had a fair few beers with Jack and one of his son's around their place. Great bloke and really nice guy. Actually enjoyed growing up there, but that was a long time ago.

[Banditbandit]

...just wait, they WILL catch them...then our JOKE of a justice system will slap them on the wrist, and the Popo will get told off for "daring" to lock two innocent little kiddies in a police cell without fluffy pillows an xbox and KFC: http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/231563/kids-police-cells-denied-human-rights


Not that I condone or excuse the attack on Jack - it's disgusting and I hope the fuckers are caught ...

But did you actually READ the article above ? Or did you just see the headline and react / THis was not about fluffy pillows, xbox and KFC ... These are three teenage girls ... 14 and 16 ... and they were:

"taken to Upper Hutt police station, strip-searched and placed in individual cells ahead of their court appearance, they alleged.

One of the girls had to express breast milk into a sink after being separated from her baby. They were not given toilet paper and were refused contact with their families and lawyers while in custody, they told the newspaper."

I'll bet you'd be pissed off if you were locked in a cell for 36 hours with no toilet paper ...

And separating one from a breast-feeding baby? Let alone making her express breast milk in such unsanitary conditions ...

[ducatilover]

How long ago - did you go to wainuiomata college? - I had a fair few beers with Jack and one of his son's around their place. Great bloke and really nice guy. Actually enjoyed growing up there, but that was a long time ago.
Not long ago, started in '02 and left in '03 and came up to the current paradise

[GTRMAN]

Not long ago, started in '02 and left in '03 and came up to the current paradise

So was that the actual Wainuiomata College or Wainui High?

[mashman]

No Respect.

This is the problem that we have bred into the last 3 or four generations of fine upstanding individuals, most of whom can't read nor write worth a damn and know that they are F...ed when it comes to getting anywhere in today's society, so they take the easy road.

Gee how'd that happen you ask?

Simple really,Allow the criminally inclined to breed.
take away teachers who give their all for the kids, replace them with salary earners who didn't get pulled up about their spelling, grammar, diction, appearance, attitude and or morals at school or University, who say Um all fucking day long and don't think they're doing themselves a disservice when amongst their worldly wise peers, because it only mattered that they were understood, not how they made themselves understood or heard.
Then take away School certificate, University Entrance exams and replace them with internal assessments by those same salary earners ( hello, seeing a pattern yet)
Then tell teachers that corporal punishment is a big no no cause it scars the kids.
Oh, don't forget about telling parents that they can't discipline their own children.
Add comrade Helen into the mix ( no kids of her own, easy peasy that kid raising)
Make the Police symbols of state control(thanks Helen, again) But hell don't let them actually Police anything.
Tell children how to get away with rorting the system and what their inalienable rights are under NZ's constitution. Anyone actually seen NZ's written constitution, I haven't.
Lastly of course make it illegal to not like homo's and lesbo's.Confused kids? hell no, they know it's OK, can't be confused, can they?
Shit and you wonder whats wrong?

Personal responsibility, taking care of themselves and or others simply does not feature on their radar.

Me,Me,me is what it is all about these days.
My rights.
My life.
My property, which of course can temporarily be your property,until I want it!

I'd say it's too late for many and that a simple solid brick walled room and the relatives of those they have abused, hurt,maimed or killed given free reign to do as they see fit would be a good start.
For fucks sake, "victims rights"!
Shouldn't it always have been about the victims right, to not be made one!
What good is a victims impact statement when if it's a bit harsh it's deemed not fit for court room consumption.While giving evidence do they miss out the juicy bits? C even we're doing it. They are not juicy bits, they are the relived worst nightmares of people who did nothing to anyone but became someone else s victim for their pleasure/fun and our so called media have got us thinking in terms of juicy.
Not unholy deeds of immense perversion and degradation committed on innocent people by mental retards who literally do it for the hell of it.Knowing that if they get caught they'll get a wt bus ticket over their naughty little wrists.

Hypocrits running the joint too!


:Oi:

Devils advocate, kinda.

Whilst most of that may well be true, most who can't read, write etc... don't necessarily resort to crime, neither do they necessarily to come from a household of criminals. Criminals and crime is situational. If they have what they need, they won't commit crime. (you need money to have what you want)... and in this case if these kids had had 400 bucks, they wouldn't have fucked this guy over.

As for education etc... tis what happens when there isn't enough money available to give a quality education. Back in the day education was free from birth to work. Not so any more. Does that have anything to do with it? (lack of money destroying the education system?).

Once upon a time those on a low salary could afford a relatively decent lifestyle whilst leaving 1 full time parent at home or at least be available to "watch over" the kids. (a low salary buys fuck all these days).

Telling kids what they can and can't do will inevitably have them finding out if they are within their rights to tell the tellee to go and fuck themselves. Asking them can have better results. (respect is a 2 way street, too many adults forget that).

People believing that homo's, lesbo's, those of a different colour of skin, those who are younger, those who are older, those who are cleaners, those who are doctors, those who are bankers, those who are single parents... essentially those who can be shoehorned into some convenient little box, all to devalue the effort that these people are worth in the eyes of the general public. BIG fuckin problem where respect is concerned. Being treated like shit i.e. with no respect, given your "station" in life is by no means limited to youth... but as that's how adults live, it's hardly surprising that youth mimics what it sees.

It's fucked because of the way we live. Plain and simple and utterly undeniable. Blaming personal responsibility where society absolves people of it by using laws is bound to end in tears. You can't expect squeaky clean kids given that adults make a complete total and utter fuckin mess of their future because of the society we set up for them.

Hypocrits everywhere... you're all fucked in the head blaming kids for the society adults leave for them to grow up in. I'm glad I'm nearly perfect.

[SMOKEU]

three teenage girls ... 14 and 16..... strip-searched

Pics or it didn't happen.

[Road kill]

Devils advocate, kinda.

Whilst most of that may well be true, most who can't read, write etc... don't necessarily resort to crime, neither do they necessarily to come from a household of criminals. Criminals and crime is situational. If they have what they need, they won't commit crime. (you need money to have what you want)... and in this case if these kids had had 400 bucks, they wouldn't have fucked this guy over.

As for education etc... tis what happens when there isn't enough money available to give a quality education. Back in the day education was free from birth to work. Not so any more. Does that have anything to do with it? (lack of money destroying the education system?).

Once upon a time those on a low salary could afford a relatively decent lifestyle whilst leaving 1 full time parent at home or at least be available to "watch over" the kids. (a low salary buys fuck all these days).

Telling kids what they can and can't do will inevitably have them finding out if they are within their rights to tell the tellee to go and fuck themselves. Asking them can have better results. (respect is a 2 way street, too many adults forget that).

People believing that homo's, lesbo's, those of a different colour of skin, those who are younger, those who are older, those who are cleaners, those who are doctors, those who are bankers, those who are single parents... essentially those who can be shoehorned into some convenient little box, all to devalue the effort that these people are worth in the eyes of the general public. BIG fuckin problem where respect is concerned. Being treated like shit i.e. with no respect, given your "station" in life is by no means limited to youth... but as that's how adults live, it's hardly surprising that youth mimics what it sees.

It's fucked because of the way we live. Plain and simple and utterly undeniable. Blaming personal responsibility where society absolves people of it by using laws is bound to end in tears. You can't expect squeaky clean kids given that adults make a complete total and utter fuckin mess of their future because of the society we set up for them.

Hypocrits everywhere... you're all fucked in the head blaming kids for the society adults leave for them to grow up in. I'm glad I'm nearly perfect.

Something to try.

Refuse to tell people what you do for a living,,,90% will ask soon after meeting you so they can decide weather they are better than you,,,or not.

Or tell em' your a Doctor or a Toilet cleaner,then watch the reactions.

It really messes with their heads and after a while they fuck off an annoy someone else.:2thumbsup

[mashman]

Something to try.

Refuse to tell people what you do for a living,,,90% will ask soon after meeting you so they can decide weather they are better than you,,,or not.

Or tell em' your a Doctor or a Toilet cleaner,then watch the reactions.

It really messes with their heads and after a while they fuck off an annoy someone else.:2thumbsup

I don't think they'd care as I have an expensive Italian motorcycle, a big house, speak with a very well to do accent, have a dazzling smile and actually like people in general... irrespective of how ignorant they are.

Although that does sound like fun :niceone:

[ducatilover]

So was that the actual Wainuiomata College or Wainui High?
Wainui High. Lots of muppets there.
I'm only a young 'un.

[300weatherby]

Lived in Wainui for a couple of years at the end of the 80's, first time i'd seen the five kids in the back of mum/dads car in a pub carpark with fish and chips at 11pm routine.

My 6yr old daughter wound up "helping" the nuns with the stupid coconut (and some maori) kids that had parents that were too unevevolved to teach their kids our national language: ENGLISH.
Put a stop to it when I found out.

Was there on transfer, company I worked for said to the local real estate firm, find us a house in Wainui for our man to live in, so they did, right in the middle of the black zone, a house they hadn't been able to let, nice house but...... shame about the highway 61 gang house on the corner opposite us.......

After 2yrs the wife gave the ultimatum, we move back south tp civilisation, or she moves back to civilisation without me. We moved.

Wainui was a shithole then, must be fun nowadays.

Wainui cop shop was unmanned at night, nobody knew, everthing was a redirect to Lower Hutt, Wound up teaching close combat and restraint to the new cops cause they had "once were warriors"
to deal with and no training.

Fairly simple really, stop them from breeding, knock the dole on the head, stop immigration so they have to get jobs because they are available and they need the money, protect our economy, no trade deals so we rebuild manufacturing to create jobs- keep the fucktards busy during the day and watch violent crime stats drop.

[caseye]

"Whilst most of that may well be true, most who can't read, write etc... don't necessarily resort to crime, neither do they necessarily to come from a household of criminals. Criminals and crime is situational.

If they have what they need, they won't commit crime. (you need money to have what you want)

... and in this case if these kids had had 400 bucks, they wouldn't have fucked this guy over"

Couldn't agree more.

If you I or anyone else has what they need we none of us would go out and bash,rob, kill to get MORE! ( what they WANT)

To me this is the fundamental difference, we all of us used to know what was right and wrong, today I seriously believe that many of today's kids literally don't because they've never seen wrongs righted and or had their parents/caregivers ( God I hate that word) properly( not beat the snot out of them) discipline,admonish or correct anyone else let alone themselves.

[geoffm]

Shame self defence is (for all intents and purposes) illegal in NZ. Adopt the "castle doctrine", where the assumption that anyone breaking into your place is assumed to plan on doing you harm, there is no obligation to retreat, and your house is a free - fire zone, and you ARE allowed to take 12g precautions. Being partially blind, it may not have helped in this case, but I bet it would reduce repeat offending in plenty of other cases.

[caseye]

Shame self defence is (for all intents and purposes) illegal in NZ. Adopt the "castle doctrine", where the assumption that anyone breaking into your place is assumed to plan on doing you harm, there is no obligation to retreat, and your house is a free - fire zone, and you ARE allowed to take 12g precautions. Being partially blind, it may not have helped in this case, but I bet it would reduce repeat offending in plenty of other cases.

It's a done deal in Australia!
Exactly that, whats more, if once the Police have assessed the case, they decide there will be no charges laid, that's what happens! Crim beware!
AT Last!
We are totally behind the times here in NZ when it comes to our rights, not victims rights, that comes after something has happened to us through no fault of our own.
Before it does or more correctly if it's going to, then surely to GOD in our own homes we should be able to use maximum prejudice to evict or otherwise remove an offender!
Na, mateeee, we live in NZ, here if you slug a dirty rotten thieving low life criminal in the back of the head with your baseball bat.In your home at two in the morning with your children asleep in their beds in their now invaded home.
It's YOU going to the cells while they get patched up and sent home on bail??? Now wait on, they're already on bail, for the exact same thing a while back.
How silly, what if they kill someone while they're on bail? Gee Willickers, that'll never happen!
Yeah Right.

[mashman]

Couldn't agree more.

If you I or anyone else has what they need we none of us would go out and bash,rob, kill to get MORE! ( what they WANT)

To me this is the fundamental difference, we all of us used to know what was right and wrong, today I seriously believe that many of today's kids literally don't because they've never seen wrongs righted and or had their parents/caregivers ( God I hate that word) properly( not beat the snot out of them) discipline,admonish or correct anyone else let alone themselves.

Aye... although these guys knew it was wrong. They knew it was a crime. They maybe even knew the guy himself. They made a stupid fucked up choice for some money, that's what really feckin irks me... so I'll not share your belief that many of today's kids don't know right from wrong (not wholly anyway). I agree in regards to not having had the right examples, but as I mentioned earlier, it's unfortunately how the world works. Offer the opportunity and they'll take it as I highly doubt that they're as stupid as people make out. T'would be good if they were caught and had the snot beaten out of 'em with a broomstick though.

[Coolz]

Well put Mashman. When you're not fostering funny financial philosophies you're casting pearls that make others sound like swine. Though in this case you may be casting coals on the burning fire of righteousness.

[caseye]

Stick around Coolz, this KB place gets to you.
I agree that mashman hits the nail right on the head sometimes. The good thing is that we don't have to think the same way or do the same things to want the exact same result.
Talking about anything is far better than sitting on your hands. Yes talk is cheap, but eventually someone is going to say OK, that looks like it'll work, lets do it!
Just for arguments sake there Coolz, the scenario I outlined in post 33, heres the guts of it.

"here if you slug a dirty rotten thieving low life criminal in the back of the head with your baseball bat.In your home at two in the morning with your children asleep in their beds in their now invaded home."

What would you do?

Righteous, no, got to be sin free and squeaky clean for that.

[oneofsix]

Aye... although these guys knew it was wrong. They knew it was a crime. They maybe even knew the guy himself. They made a stupid fucked up choice for some money, that's what really feckin irks me... so I'll not share your belief that many of today's kids don't know right from wrong (not wholly anyway). I agree in regards to not having had the right examples, but as I mentioned earlier, it's unfortunately how the world works. Offer the opportunity and they'll take it as I highly doubt that they're as stupid as people make out. T'would be good if they were caught and had the snot beaten out of 'em with a broomstick though.

Whilst agreeing with most of what you say the removal of money isn't the panacea to the ill. These fuck wits see an old fella got something they want and feel entitled to they are gona beat him up and take it. They aint got no respect and bleat on about respect, back to agreeing re right examples.

[Paul in NZ]

Very often these types of crimes are indicative of the state of society. Please note I’m not apologizing for these pricks or blaming society in any way shape or form BUT recent changes in the way we live are a factor.

In the past – there were more jobs for ordinary folks that didn’t require an advanced degree or even school certificate. If you were lucky you could even pick up an apprenticeship etc. Entering the workforce at 15 or 16 was not uncommon. In cases where these sad fucks had no decent male role models they would suddenly be in a work environment where they were at the bottom of the pecking order with a whole range of adults that they would normally ever associate with and were forced to interact with them.

There were reasons why the new kid got to make the tea etc (I still remember taking the orders for morning tea etc). Often you learnt a bit about respect and getting on with others even though you were not related or even liked by them. You learnt what it took to function as an adult. When I started work there were still guys working that had fought in WW2 and Korea – you were exposed to a lot of lived life experience.
These kids have probably never had a functional relationship with anyone other than family and school. If the family is dysfunctional and school gave up on them (fair enough – limited time and too many other kids) they may be 18 or so but they function worse than 14 year olds of the 1960’s and 1970’s. In some cases I’d argue that they are crippled for life and become unemployable.

Modern economics and free trade have moved these jobs offshore to places where wages are low but we are paying a terrible cost for the opportunity to purchase cheap crap. In some cases we are paying with our lives…

Now this isn’t an excuse for these wankers but rather an explanation of what may have gone wrong and the lack of empathy.

[Coolz]

Stick around Coolz, this KB place gets to you.
I agree that mashman hits the nail right on the head sometimes. The good thing is that we don't have to think the same way or do the same things to want the exact same result.
Talking about anything is far better than sitting on your hands. Yes talk is cheap, but eventually someone is going to say OK, that looks like it'll work, lets do it!
Just for arguments sake there Coolz, the scenario I outlined in post 33, heres the guts of it.

"here if you slug a dirty rotten thieving low life criminal in the back of the head with your baseball bat.In your home at two in the morning with your children asleep in their beds in their now invaded home."

What would you do?

Righteous, no, got to be sin free and squeaky clean for that.

I would leave that decision to my 200lb rotweiller

[mashman]

Well put Mashman. When you're not fostering funny financial philosophies you're casting pearls that make others sound like swine. Though in this case you may be casting coals on the burning fire of righteousness.

Ahhhh if only the two could be seperated. Cause and effect n all that. I did try a wee troll, but Iz captain obvious (even though most of the troll holds huge amounts of truth, heh).


Stick around Coolz, this KB place gets to you.
I agree that mashman hits the nail right on the head sometimes. The good thing is that we don't have to think the same way or do the same things to want the exact same result.
Talking about anything is far better than sitting on your hands. Yes talk is cheap, but eventually someone is going to say OK, that looks like it'll work, lets do it!
Just for arguments sake there Coolz, the scenario I outlined in post 33, heres the guts of it.

"here if you slug a dirty rotten thieving low life criminal in the back of the head with your baseball bat.In your home at two in the morning with your children asleep in their beds in their now invaded home."

What would you do?

Righteous, no, got to be sin free and squeaky clean for that.

+1 on agreing on the goal and taking various roads to getting there. Be feckin boring otherwise and we'd all be called Nigel, even the girlz. Tis a shame those who are in power deal with these sorts of problems by adding to the vast array fines and jail time, or even worse, home detention punishments that so clearly work :blink:.
I wish we could skip to that that looks like it'll work bit :yes: :yes: and thrice :yes:.

When I were back in T UK a few years ago there was a case of a family that had been bound and gagged whilst people ransacked their house and made threats to the family etc... not content with just taking what they came for and fucking off. I believe one of the perps is in a wheelchair for life as the father broke free, had a wee tussle with the fuckers, grabbed a cricket bat, yelled out to his brother (think it was his brother), who grabbed his cricket back and off they chased the fuckers down and beat one of them within an inch of his life. They deserved it in my book (well, pretty much anwyay), but one of the brothers walked with a short sentence and the other was jailed for 2 years (the sentencing maybe wrong as I'm going on memory). If someone had threatened my family, I'd rather they didn't get to live to fulfil that threat and could probably go too far to ensure it.


Whilst agreeing with most of what you say the removal of money isn't the panacea to the ill. These fuck wits see an old fella got something they want and feel entitled to they are gona beat him up and take it. They aint got no respect and bleat on about respect, back to agreeing re right examples.

I agree. But it all but halts THE major motive for crime (and that's at both ends of the scale and in between), main reason for divorce, main reason for poverty etc... attitudes may well change (or be easier to change) given that sort of breeding ground... What's worse: an old guy getting beaten for $400 or 400 people being ripped off, losing everything?


Very often these types of crimes are indicative of the state of society. Please note I’m not apologizing for these pricks or blaming society in any way shape or form BUT recent changes in the way we live are a factor.

In the past – there were more jobs for ordinary folks that didn’t require an advanced degree or even school certificate. If you were lucky you could even pick up an apprenticeship etc. Entering the workforce at 15 or 16 was not uncommon. In cases where these sad fucks had no decent male role models they would suddenly be in a work environment where they were at the bottom of the pecking order with a whole range of adults that they would normally ever associate with and were forced to interact with them.

There were reasons why the new kid got to make the tea etc (I still remember taking the orders for morning tea etc). Often you learnt a bit about respect and getting on with others even though you were not related or even liked by them. You learnt what it took to function as an adult. When I started work there were still guys working that had fought in WW2 and Korea – you were exposed to a lot of lived life experience.
These kids have probably never had a functional relationship with anyone other than family and school. If the family is dysfunctional and school gave up on them (fair enough – limited time and too many other kids) they may be 18 or so but they function worse than 14 year olds of the 1960’s and 1970’s. In some cases I’d argue that they are crippled for life and become unemployable.

Modern economics and free trade have moved these jobs offshore to places where wages are low but we are paying a terrible cost for the opportunity to purchase cheap crap. In some cases we are paying with our lives…

Now this isn’t an excuse for these wankers but rather an explanation of what may have gone wrong and the lack of empathy.

For a change I'm in just about total agreement with you ;)

[jasonu]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7859033/Youths-ignore-elderly-mans-pleas-during-home-invasion


disgusting...

Bloody disgraceful!

[awa355]

Very often these types of crimes are indicative of the state of society. Please note I’m not apologizing for these pricks or blaming society in any way shape or form BUT recent changes in the way we live are a factor.

In the past – there were more jobs for ordinary folks that didn’t require an advanced degree or even school certificate. If you were lucky you could even pick up an apprenticeship etc. Entering the workforce at 15 or 16 was not uncommon. In cases where these sad fucks had no decent male role models they would suddenly be in a work environment where they were at the bottom of the pecking order with a whole range of adults that they would normally ever associate with and were forced to interact with them.



Modern economics and free trade have moved these jobs offshore to places where wages are low but we are paying a terrible cost for the opportunity to purchase cheap crap. In some cases we are paying with our lives…

Now this isn’t an excuse for these wankers but rather an explanation of what may have gone wrong and the lack of empathy.

I agree totally. At least when the Railways had maintanance crews in so many small towns, The MOW were based everywhere, and the forestry industry employed so many pruning/thining gangs, there was work for a lot of people. that would never make rocket scientists.

Just getting back to these dimwits, they wont get more than maybe 5 years, allow an application for parole after 1/3rd served, and they will be out in 2 1/2 years.

Interesting comparison, In 1866, 2 persons were given 96 hours imprisonment with hard labour, for picking flowers in the Barbados cemetery ChCh.

Another youth was sentenced to 4 months at an Industrial school for " being of dispicable appearance and uncouth behaviour".

I guess public expectations of public behaviour was a bit different back then.

[mashman]

I guess public expectations of public behaviour was a bit different back then.

Perhaps lawyers didn't mind losing as long as justice was served... whereas a loss looks bad on the CV :shifty:

[Oblivion]

What I dont get is why the shitheads are always let off. They say that they wouldn't have done that if they had 400$. There is a city down south that needs rebuilding. Give them the skills to get a job,and they can earn their own coin. Carrying timber, removing silt, helping with demolition and removal of debris. Theres heaps of stuff to do. Better than letting them sit pointlessly in the cells, and paying for flights down to CC would be cheaper than hiring someone to do the same job at 80$ an hour.

[Banditbandit]

Shame self defence is (for all intents and purposes) illegal in NZ.

That's crap ... If you kill someone and claim self defense ... you'd better be able to prove you had good cause ... and it has been done

You are legally allowed to defend yourself ... using sufficient force to defend yourself ... if someone is coming at you with a gun you can kill them (good chance they intend to shoot and kill you) .. if they are coming at you with a knife you can kill them (you have cause they are about to stab and kill you) ...

if they are coming at you with their bare hands you probably won't get away with killing them ... (Only if, before they attacked, you know they are a supreme black belt who can kill with their bare hands ...)

The gun shop turkey who shot the robber holding a gun was NOT prosecuted for shooting the robber .. he was prosecuted because when he was asked why he had a gun he said "self defence" .. Now that is a totally illegal reason for having a gun .. you can have a gun for sport (target - hunting) and incidentally use it to shoot the robber ... you can have a gun for a collection (and incidentally use it to shoot a robber ...) But the one reason you can not have a gun in GodZOne is for self defence.

You' thjinkl a gun shop owner would know this .. but whe the police asked "why did you have the gun there?" he said: "Self-defence ... " So - have al the guns you want for self defence .. but be aware that if you say that to a cop you are going down .. and if you do use one you'd better be able to back up why you used it .. and killing kids for tagging your fence won't cut it either (excuse the pun)

[Road kill]

Very often these types of crimes are indicative of the state of society. Please note I’m not apologizing for these pricks or blaming society in any way shape or form BUT recent changes in the way we live are a factor.

In the past – there were more jobs for ordinary folks that didn’t require an advanced degree or even school certificate. If you were lucky you could even pick up an apprenticeship etc. Entering the workforce at 15 or 16 was not uncommon. In cases where these sad fucks had no decent male role models they would suddenly be in a work environment where they were at the bottom of the pecking order with a whole range of adults that they would normally ever associate with and were forced to interact with them.

There were reasons why the new kid got to make the tea etc (I still remember taking the orders for morning tea etc). Often you learnt a bit about respect and getting on with others even though you were not related or even liked by them. You learnt what it took to function as an adult. When I started work there were still guys working that had fought in WW2 and Korea – you were exposed to a lot of lived life experience.
These kids have probably never had a functional relationship with anyone other than family and school. If the family is dysfunctional and school gave up on them (fair enough – limited time and too many other kids) they may be 18 or so but they function worse than 14 year olds of the 1960’s and 1970’s. In some cases I’d argue that they are crippled for life and become unemployable.

Modern economics and free trade have moved these jobs offshore to places where wages are low but we are paying a terrible cost for the opportunity to purchase cheap crap. In some cases we are paying with our lives…

Now this isn’t an excuse for these wankers but rather an explanation of what may have gone wrong and the lack of empathy.

That's why I live like I do,I try not to add to the problem but I live now just like everybody else so can't really avoid it.

We are seeing a growing much larger under class simply due to how humans seem to evolve as society and where we are on the current curve.

We're not the first aye.

1973 was the best year that ever was,but the change since then has been crazy and I'm beginning to see why some old people I've known didn't fear death.

When I retire in 10 years I'll put steel shutters on my windows and keep a gun an many loud dogs handy,until then we carry on as usual an hope it doesn't happen to us.

[GrayWolf]

Scumbags, really hope these little wannabe gangsters get caught. Boy are they gonna get a hiding down at the nick, good fucking job too. :mad::ar15:

Sadly then you'll have the likes of Akzle, Bandit etc who are bleating on in the mataki thread; complaining about Police brutality, and how much like a gang they acted,,, personally? Would love to see them get the 'treatment' my local nick had in the UK for loudmouths and the likes of these... rolled into a very large/long mat with arms above head............ did'nt leave a bruise anywhere!!!!

[ducatilover]

The gun shop turkey who shot the robber holding a gun was NOT prosecuted for shooting the robber .. he was prosecuted because when he was asked why he had a gun he said "self defence" .. Now that is a totally illegal reason for having a gun .. you can have a gun for sport (target - hunting) and incidentally use it to shoot the robber ... you can have a gun for a collection (and incidentally use it to shoot a robber ...) But the one reason you can not have a gun in GodZOne is for self defence.


To be fair that's a little bit fucked, unless he had the wrong licence for the weapon (was a hand gun wasn't it?)
He's a gun dealer, of course he owns a gun...

I do hope these little pricks do get dealt to though, behaving like such is purely disgusting and unacceptable

Right, I have a loom to finish.

[Banditbandit]

I would leave that decision to my 200lb rotweiller

There's a good chance a 200lb rotty is so fat it doesn't make decisions .. it just rolls around in the sun ... what the fuck are you doing with an overweight guard dog?

[Banditbandit]

Sadly then you'll have the likes of Akzle, Bandit etc who are bleating on in the mataki thread; complaining about Police brutality, and how much like a gang they acted,,,

Bwhahaha .. I love being called a bleeding heart ... you bunch of fucktards have no idea ...



personally? Would love to see them get the 'treatment' my local nick had in the UK for loudmouths and the likes of these... rolled into a very large/long mat with arms above head............ did'nt leave a bruise anywhere!!!!

So a bunch of people all wearing a uniform wrap a person in a large mat .. roll them around in pain for a while ... and get charged with assault. Another group of people do exactly the same thing and do not get charged ... (One is a gang, the other police ... )

Can't you see, just from that small demonstration, why some of us think you are a bunch of fucktards ????

[Banditbandit]

To be fair that's a little bit fucked, unless he had the wrong licence for the weapon (was a hand gun wasn't it?)
He's a gun dealer, of course he owns a gun...



Yeah. The problem was not the licence, or the gun, or what he did with it . The problem was that when he was asked why he had that gun (the one used to shoot the robber) he said: "Self-defence." WRONG ANSWER - He convicted himself out of hsi own mouth ...

[GTRMAN]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7874452/Two-arrested-over-Wainuiomata-home-invasion (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7874452/Two-arrested-over-Wainuiomata-home-invasion)

[Paul in NZ]

Yeah I read that. 18 and 14 ffs.... 14..... His life is rooted before it started but good on the community. Someone dobbed him in and good job too... He had to be stopped.

[geoffm]

Yeah I read that. 18 and 14 ffs.... 14..... His life is rooted before it started but good on the community. Someone dobbed him in and good job too... He had to be stopped.

At 14, he won't have any consequences - at most a family group conference (woo - not like his feral parents will care), and he will get name suppression anyway. Probably the 18yo won't get much more, and if they are related, he will get name suppression to protect the younger scum. Anyone want to take a bet that this won't be the last time these 2 are in trouble with the law?
Let me run the country, and none of this stuff will happen more than once.
G

[Coolz]

There's a good chance a 200lb rotty is so fat it doesn't make decisions .. it just rolls around in the sun ... what the fuck are you doing with an overweight guard dog?


Would you believe a 100lb shepherd with eyes as large as saucers ?

[Banditbandit]

Would you believe a 100lb shepherd with eyes as large as saucers ?

Or one with eyes as big as windmills guarding the gold?

[mashman]

Poor man. It must have been horrendous to have had to have lived with that sort of fear. R.I.P

"His son Paul, 49, told media the attack had caused his father stress and that the family had noticed a decline in his health since." (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/15410226/elderly-home-invasion-victim-dies/)

[caseye]

Change the charge to Murder, hang the little barstards.

[98tls]

Whats all the whinging for?You reap what you sow no point in complaining about it.Killing babies,bashing old folk blah blah blah its been going on for years why all the fuss now?.Did you really think it was going to get better:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Grizzo]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7859033/Youths-ignore-elderly-mans-pleas-during-home-invasion


disgusting...

Fuckers:angry:

[Flip]

I am very sad to hear that the old guy has passed away.

[scumdog]

I am very sad to hear that the old guy has passed away.

Likewise.

What a way to finish your days on this planet.:(

[SMOKEU]

Change the charge to Murder, hang the little barstards.

While I would like to see the fuckers hanged for what they did, it's a bit hard to prove murder.

[willytheekid]

R.I.P Jack

...and now, sadly, watch our legal system slap those little pricks on the hand with a soggy bus ticket (I was SOOO hoping the popo would track them down...and feed them to there dogs!!:mad:)

Thoughts go out to Jacks family & friends

[oneofsix]

Sad to think his last days were blighted in such a cowardly way.
Hard to prove murder but how about manslaughter? The picks actions certainly seem to have affected his health :mad:
Feel for his family

[Banditbandit]

Sad to think his last days were blighted in such a cowardly way.
Hard to prove murder but how about manslaughter? The picks actions certainly seem to have affected his health :mad:
Feel for his family

Yeah ... a charge of manslaughter is more like it ... just need to link his declinign heath to the attack .. would not be that hard I hope ...