Rent a cop?

[kiwi cowboy]

Who here thinks this is a good idea???.

I interested in peoples thoughts.

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/15236592/private-wof-police-for-nz-roads-bridges/

I do see an advantage in it being the vehicles that never get a warrent and are'nt roadworthy bein caught through more inspectors.

I also see a posible major problem of there being a bunch of little nazi's contracted to the gubberment stopping everybody they can and WILL probably have a "performance target".
If their having a bad run "IE" not able to ticket anybody these buggers could try and ticket you for bugger all and then you would have to spend time and money fighting it.

Not to mention the possible time wasted potentially every day you go somewere.

[Zamiam]

Terrible bloody idea although I might setup a company to do it. Almost certainly the ticket writers will share in the ticket revenue so will end up stopping as many people as possible.

[rastuscat]

Woo hoo......

Hire me !!!! At least then I could just do the job, and people wouldn't expect me to be a bloody social worker as well.

[nzspokes]

Cool, good way to get rid of some of those overpaid police officers....:eek5:

[FJRider]

I also see a posible major problem of there being a bunch of little nazi's contracted to the gubberment stopping everybody they can and WILL probably have a "performance target".



You mean a company like NZTA ... ????

[FJRider]

Woo hoo......

Hire me !!!! At least then I could just do the job, and people wouldn't expect me to be a bloody social worker as well.

You tell us your problems (sympathy is our middle name) ... why can't WE tell you ours ... ??? :oi-grr:

[bogan]

What the giveth with one hand, they taketh with the other.

Fucking dodgy looking van like mine will get pulled over every bloody time I go past one. And how much of a check can they do? anything over 5mins is going to fuck with peoples schedules, and anything under is only good for a tyre wear check.

muppets :oi-grr:

[Akzle]

Who here thinks this is a good idea???...

... i saw this three days ago. wondered how long before someone would start a thread.

the government legislating private corporations to have the same "authority" as the police to forcibly detain people, what could go wrong?

if you don't stop for them, will they phone the police for backup?

this is a fucking stupid idea, your govenrment trying to get another foot on your neck (while saving the almighty budget)
-edit-
and OP, you are right. private corporations are in the profitable business, of, well, profitable business.

if it floats, it will not end well.

[FJRider]

Terrible bloody idea although I might setup a company to do it. Almost certainly the ticket writers will share in the ticket revenue so will end up stopping as many people as possible.

Only if they get their quota ... :pinch:

[kiwi cowboy]

You mean a company like NZTA ... ????

Possabily worse than them in some ways as they would be driven by targets and profit.

[kiwi cowboy]

... i saw this three days ago. wondered how long before someone would start a thread.

the government legislating private corporations to have the same "authority" as the police to forcibly detain people, what could go wrong?

if you don't stop for them, will they phone the police for backup?

this is a fucking stupid idea, your govenrment trying to get another foot on your neck (while saving the almighty budget)
-edit-
and OP, you are right. private corporations are in the profitable business, of, well, profitable business.

if it floats, it will not end well.


The private corporations acording to that document i read says the private peeps would be contracted by gubberment so not sure who would take the profits.

1-The private business which would mean they would be out to screw everybody for as much as they can get away with including dodgy tickets which would be up to you to fight at your cost.

2-the gubberment which could mean pressure from them to hit targets so they get there cut plus pressure from there bosses to make a return\profit for there company.:angry2:

[FJRider]

Possibly worse than them in some ways as they would be driven by targets and profit.

Considering ... a few law changes need to be made for it to happen in the first place ... as it is proposed. The simplest solution would be having a Police officer stopping the traffic .... and writing tickets. The contractor just doing the testing.

Your gate way would be perfect ... ;)

[Nova.]

how long before the first one gets punched over you reckon?
do they have the same laws as cops in reguards to assualt

[Akzle]

The private corporations acording to that document i read says the private peeps would be contracted by gubberment so not sure who would take the profits.

well, you can guarantee that the company would need profit. (otherwise it's a charity, innit) a government can operate at a running loss (just check out NZs), a company can not. so, it either needs to be paid enough by the govt to cover it's expenses, inflation, employees, capital etc, or it needs to collect that from the citizenry.

it stands to reason, that for a company to get the tender, they would need to be able to operate more efficiently than the current road-land revenue (police), then the roading budget would be cut from the PO and the lesser amount paid to the company.
then the company (not the govt-police-taxpayers) would be responsible for paying to take people to court/ debt collection, thus ensuring that the company recoups it's costs, and pays the govt for the privilege of using it's courts.

of course, we could just execute all the lawyers, put the judges on a raft and make people sort their own fucking problems out...

[bogan]

how long before the first one gets punched over you reckon?
do they have the same laws as cops in reguards to assualt

I don't think it would happen, why bother stopping if you were just going to punch the plonker. Unless it was an arm out the window at you drove past, but that would fucking hurt!

[Akzle]

I don't think it would happen, why bother stopping if you were just going to punch the plonker. Unless it was an arm out the window at you drove past, but that would fucking hurt!

4 foot of garden hose works well.

cyclists too.

[kiwi cowboy]

Considering ... a few law changes need to be made for it to happen in the first place ... as it is proposed. The simplest solution would be having a Police officer stopping the traffic .... and writing tickets. The contractor just doing the testing.

Your gate way would be perfect ... ;)

So then you would have a cop AND a contractor trying to get a "performance target" and create enough revenue for two outfits insteed of one.
:oi-grr:

[ducatilover]

What a fucking waste of money to change a system for the worse. Fucking useless government.

More to the point, what are they selling or making legal this week? This pile of shit has to be a smoke screen.

[mashman]

What a fucking waste of money to change a system for the worse. Fucking useless government.

More to the point, what are they selling or making legal this week? This pile of shit has to be a smoke screen.

Wasting more public money for the benefit of private interests and pretending that the economy will benefit (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/15242304/govt-criticised-for-suspending-democracy/)... what else ;)

[Coolz]

What a fucking waste of money to change a system for the worse. Fucking useless government.

More to the point, what are they selling or making legal this week? This pile of shit has to be a smoke screen.

A plan so cunning...Make vehicle inspections once a year so the national fleet runs down. Then set packs of quota hungry vehicle inspectors loose to harass motorists for minor infringments. Should be a cash cow.


Sent from a teapot.

[ducatilover]

Always with the fucked up twisted agenda.
I think Govt. and women must work in similar ways

[Swoop]

Who here thinks this is a good idea?
Incredibly stupid and another
a: waste of resources,
b: waste of time,
c: waste of taxpayer's money.


So it is bound to happen once labour get re-elected.

[oneofsix]

Incredibly stupid and another
a: waste of resources,
b: waste of time,
c: waste of taxpayer's money.


So it is bound to happen once labour get re-elected.

But isn't Simon Bridges the National Parties Associate Transport Minister? Nice try, must try harder next time.

[imdying]

I don't think it would happen, why bother stopping if you were just going to punch the plonker. Unless it was an arm out the window at you drove past, but that would fucking hurt!I've had people in tears after they've paid me to check their vehicle and I've declared it a shit heap... God knows what'll happen to some officious prick... hammer to the face I'm guessing.

But these seems like a good idea... hire some no nothing retards, badge them up, give them some power, make some police redundant, gee, what could possibly go wrong.

I know what trucking companies are like about direct safety items like braking systems... the public should be afraid is a massive understatement.

[Paul in NZ]

Worst idea ever...

Already parking wardens give tickets for no rego and wof. While we know that parking wardens are a necessary evil. imagine giving them the power to stop traffic and inspect vehicles?? Sweet mother of god - are we not supposed to be making life better for citizens of the realm...

This idea is so awful I suspect it was created by the MTA to create opposition to wof reforms...

[nzmikey]

It is going to be 1 hell of an exercise "IF" it goes ahead ( cant see it tho )

Holiday Season : Family of 5 going away, car is packed full of gear, boat on the back, 2 of the 3 kids are under 5 .... got the dog in the back .... " Oh look at that the cops are doing a check point to make "revenue" sure we are safe, ok kids out of the car stand on the side of the road & hold the dog, just make sure that you dont get hit by another car tho"

Sorry cant see it working

fuckwits :bash:


& Does this mean that if I fail to stop for 1 of these so called "road side tests" & nail it .... does that mean he is allowed to chase me in his prius ? ;) If so ... that would make him a cop

[oneofsix]

It is going to be 1 hell of an exercise "IF" it goes ahead ( cant see it tho )

Holiday Season : Family of 5 going away, car is packed full of gear, boat on the back, 2 of the 3 kids are under 5 .... got the dog in the back .... " Oh look at that the cops are doing a check point to make "revenue" sure we are safe, ok kids out of the car stand on the side of the road & hold the dog, just make sure that you dont get hit by another car tho"

Sorry cant see it working

fuckwits :bash:


& Does this mean that if I fail to stop for 1 of these so called "road side tests" & nail it .... does that mean he is allowed to chase me in his prius ? ;) If so ... that would make him a cop

Imagine this; mum goes to supermarket, comes out with family groceries to find the car clamped because one of these "private cops" probably a VTNZ off shoot didn't like the look of the windscreen wipers on such a fine day. No confrontation but one real pissed off family with fuck all come back

[Banditbandit]

Considering ... a few law changes need to be made for it to happen in the first place ... as it is proposed. The simplest solution would be having a Police officer stopping the traffic .... and writing tickets. The contractor just doing the testing.

Your gate way would be perfect ... ;)

Yup ... that was my thought exactly - some civilian on the side of the road trying to stop traffic? Will I stop for them? Hell no ... could be anything ...

Should civilians be given the power to stop people on the side of the road??? Hell no ...

[kiwi cowboy]

I've had people in tears after they've paid me to check their vehicle and I've declared it a shit heap... God knows what'll happen to some officious prick... hammer to the face I'm guessing.

But these seems like a good idea... hire some no nothing retards, badge them up, give them some power, make some police redundant, gee, what could possibly go wrong.

I know what trucking companies are like about direct safety items like braking systems... the public should be afraid is a massive understatement.

Re the first bit your a wof inspector of some sort then but i bet you dont relish telling these people there vechile is a shit heap but i bet the no nothing retards as you aptly put them would love it.

I agree with the rest too

[kiwi cowboy]

Always with the fucked up twisted agenda.
I think Govt. and women must work in similar ways

OOOOIII keep it tidy:oi-grr: no upsetting them that must be obayed;) as you were.

[nudemetalz]

Reminds me of when the Yanks didn't have enough soldiers in Iraq to shoot people.
So they brought in some sort of firm called "Blackwater".......

[SMOKEU]

I'm not stopping for one of those "contractors". What are they going to do, charge me for failing to stop?

[Swoop]

... must try harder next time.
We already have a group of people who can stop vehicles and check them over to see if they meet WoF standards.
We call them "the police". A vehicle needs to be up to WoF standards all the time (as we all know) if used on our roads.

The MTA owns VTNZ, so there is plenty of backroom politics and shenannigans going on behind the scenes to protect a cash cow of theirs. A shame Murph has been duped into fronting an advertising campaign that is nothing more than scaremongering.

[awa355]

What a fucking waste of money to change a system for the worse. Fucking useless government.

More to the point, what are they selling or making legal this week? This pile of shit has to be a smoke screen.

The govt has quietly announced changes to some employment laws coming up next year. Going to smash the lower paid once again,

[SPman]

... i saw this three days ago. wondered how long before someone would start a thread.

the government legislating private corporations to have the same "authority" as the police to forcibly detain people, what could go wrong?

if you don't stop for them, will they phone the police for backup?

this is a fucking stupid idea, your govenrment trying to get another foot on your neck (while saving the almighty budget)

and OP, you are right. private corporations are in the profitable business, of, well, profitable business.

if it floats, it will not end well.

Wot he said!

Could this "Daddy State", rudderless, useless pack of cunts in Government get any worse???????

[Coolz]

We already have a group of people who can stop vehicles and check them over to see if they meet WoF standards.
We call them "the police". A vehicle needs to be up to WoF standards all the time (as we all know) if used on our roads.

The MTA owns VTNZ, so there is plenty of backroom politics and shenannigans going on behind the scenes to protect a cash cow of theirs. A shame Murph has been duped into fronting an advertising campaign that is nothing more than scaremongering.

The current wof system works fine. The only reason for messing with it is to extract more money from the motorist. Bit like ACC.

[Akzle]

Incredibly stupid and another
a: waste of resources,
b: waste of time,
c: waste of taxpayer's money.


So it is bound to happen once labour get re-elected.
wakey wakey (six hit it. this is national all over.
but. to look at the bigger picture, this is "democratic" governance, all over.)


But isn't Simon Bridges the National Parties Associate Transport Minister? Nice try, must try harder next time."...must spread..."


But these seems like a good idea... hire some no nothing retards, badge them up, give them some power, make some police redundant, gee, what could possibly go wrong.


Worst idea ever...
come on guys.... they're your duly elected leaders, they know what's good for you.

(ps. maybe get off your lazy ass, go for a hikoi, and burn some shit down in protest. like the prime minister.)


Should civilians be given the power to stop people on the side of the road??? Hell no ...
sorry to disappoint, but, as you'll understand it, they're actually giving COMPANIES (and their agents/employees) this authority. they're not private civilians if they're acting as agents for a public/private third party.

(ps - a person / "citizen" is legally a corporate entity)

OOOOIII keep it tidy
that's her job

We already have a group of people who can stop vehicles and check them over to see if they meet WoF standards.
We call them "the police". A vehicle needs to be up to WoF standards all the time (as we all know) if used on our roads.

The MTA owns VTNZ, so there is plenty of backroom politics and shenannigans going on behind the scenes to protect a cash cow of theirs. A shame Murph has been duped into fronting an advertising campaign that is nothing more than scaremongering.
well... lawfully speaking.....
BUT, LTNZ (teh government) own "your" vehicles (unless they're unregistered), so they can actually do what the fuck they like. you don't get a say.

Could this "Daddy State", rudderless, useless pack of cunts in Government get any worse???????
vote (national) next round and find out...

[Swoop]

The current wof system works fine.
Apart from being too expensive. This started a few years back and has not improved recently.

[Oblivion]

The only time that I will pull over is for a member of the police or other emergency services. I will not pull over for some asshole with a checklist that inherited his position from a weetbix box. Half the time they probably won't even know what the hell they are looking for.

[blue rider]

It is going to be 1 hell of an exercise "IF" it goes ahead ( cant see it tho )

Holiday Season : Family of 5 going away, car is packed full of gear, boat on the back, 2 of the 3 kids are under 5 .... got the dog in the back .... " Oh look at that the cops are doing a check point to make "revenue" sure we are safe, ok kids out of the car stand on the side of the road & hold the dog, just make sure that you dont get hit by another car tho"

Sorry cant see it working

fuckwits :bash:


& Does this mean that if I fail to stop for 1 of these so called "road side tests" & nail it .... does that mean he is allowed to chase me in his prius ? ;) If so ... that would make him a cop

your little scenario reminds of the good old times crossing from west germany over to west berlin via east germany......lol twas just like that. minus the boat.

[Akzle]

The only time that I will pull over is for a member of the police or other emergency services. I will not pull over for some asshole with a checklist that inherited his position from a weetbix box. Half the time they probably won't even know what the hell they are looking for.

no.

:nono:
if your government ligislates that the company has the authority of the police, you will pull over. not doing so would be illegal.

ps. why should you pull over for the police any more than for any other guy?

[ducatilover]

The govt has quietly announced changes to some employment laws coming up next year. Going to smash the lower paid once again,

Smash them, then bust them for the tyres they cannot afford, win win!

[Banditbandit]

sorry to disappoint, but, as you'll understand it, they're actually giving COMPANIES (and their agents/employees) this authority. they're not private civilians if they're acting as agents for a public/private third party.

(ps - a person / "citizen" is legally a corporate entity)




You're playing with semantics ... the guvment is extending powers to stop people on the side of the road ... that's always a bad thing is it not? I am sure that a practicing anarchist such as yourself would understand and agree with that ...





ps. why should you pull over for the police any more than for any other guy?

No especial reason in terms of accepting the authority of the police, or recognising the validity of the enforcement arm of state power ... I deny any real authority or legitimacy to the state and all its enforcement arms.

However in terms of the consequences of ones own actions (the only basis for a decision based total personal responsibility and liability and maintaining individual freedom) the reason to stop for a police officer is that it's just too much hassle further down the track ... in terms of them coming to look for you, the hassle of dealing with a failing to stop charge .. etc etc .. (Oh .. except for the last time I didn't stop - just opened the throttle and booted it .. never saw the cop again ...)

So it's a purely pragmatic decision to stop - and nothing to do with politics at all ..

[oneofsix]

You're playing with semantics ... the guvment is extending powers to stop people on the side of the road ... that's always a bad thing is it not? I am sure that a practicing anarchist such as yourself would understand and agree with that ...

governement extending such powers to private companies always ends badly

[Akzle]

You're playing with semantics ...
you know what "the law" is, right?

(see other thread for "you're wrong about this anarchism theory")

[SPman]

However in terms of the consequences of ones own actions (the only basis for a decision based total personal responsibility and liability and maintaining individual freedom) the reason to stop for a police officer is that it's just too much hassle further down the track ... in terms of them coming to look for you, the hassle of dealing with a failing to stop charge .. etc etc .. (Oh .. except for the last time I didn't stop - just opened the throttle and booted it .. never saw the cop again ...)

So it's a purely pragmatic decision to stop - and nothing to do with politics at all ..

Over here they've just passed a law giving 6 months mandatory prison for anyone who doesn't stop for mr Wapol. And 9 mths mandatory (as a starter), if mr Wapol crashes and hurts himself......


What fun!