Twins with better performance than a 97 TL1000S?

[brp]

Been on the look out for a 97 TL1000'S for sometime but getting a decent one been a rare opportunity so far ......

What other options are there that will deliver better performance ? And have a sweet sound like the TL'S ?


Interested in hearing from those that have owned a TL'S but have moved onto something better ......


Cheers

[Jantar]

Been on the look out for a 97 TL1000'S for sometime but getting a decent one been a rare opportunity so far ......

What other options are there that will deliver better performance ? And have a sweet sound like the TL'S ?


Interested in hearing from those that have owned a TL'S but have moved onto something better ......


Cheers
The Reid twins at high school. Now they could perform and they looked good as well. Sweet sounds? You should have heard those girls sing. :devil2:

[Gremlin]

TLR
Ducati sportbike *insert model above 700-800cc ish* like 848, 999, 1098, 1199 etc
Ducati other bikes, Multistrada, Hypermotard
KTM RC8, RC8R
Aprilia RSVR (probably the Tuono as well), maybe the RSV Mille

I'm sure I've probably missed some... there are a lot of options...

[brp]

The Reid twins at high school. Now they could perform and they looked good as well. Sweet sounds? You should have heard those girls sing. :devil2:

Can I still throw a leg over - one will do ........


Cheers Gremlin - what Japanese options are there ?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Been on the look out for a 97 TL1000'S for sometime but getting a decent one been a rare opportunity so far ......

What other options are there that will deliver better performance ? And have a sweet sound like the TL'S ?


Interested in hearing from those that have owned a TL'S but have moved onto something better ......


Cheers

RC-51.

Buy this one so I am not tempted: I have seen it, it is a minter.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-511166063.htm

[ducatilover]

Only Jap option I can think of is the RC51, but how much better it is in reality is a different matter altogether?

[Maha]

Nice SP2 in the Norf Island ---->>http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-484015505.htm

[Tigadee]

Honda VFRs/VTRs?
Honda Bros?

[HenryDorsetCase]

The Reid twins at high school. Now they could perform and they looked good as well. Sweet sounds? You should have heard those girls sing. :devil2:

pics are not loading for me

[HenryDorsetCase]

Only Jap option I can think of is the RC51, but how much better it is in reality is a different matter altogether?

I think if you want practicality you buy a VTR1000 fartstorm, but for street cred you need an RC51. Plus you get all the HRC goodies because it is a pukka homologation special

[ducatilover]

I think if you want practicality you buy a VTR1000 fartstorm, but for street cred you need an RC51. Plus you get all the HRC goodies because it is a pukka homologation special
The RC51 is a hellishly tasty bit of kit.
The SP2 was the nicer one to ride wasn't it?
A Fartsorm (even though I like 'em) doesn't compare to a TL really, except in noise "only" 110hp or so.

[bogan]

errr, one of each please :D

As others have said, better performance, RC51 from the japs, or a number of ducatis foot the bill too.

[Sable]

A tl1000r? :p

[PrincessBandit]

OMG, I'm so sorry to be the one to do this, but that title was just begging for this...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj1SyWntdo4

Now infract me for being :Offtopic: I'll take my punishment like a big girl

[Gremlin]

TLR
Ducati sportbike...



Cheers Gremlin - what Japanese options are there ?
As above, also, SV1000 (faster? certainly newer), as others have said, VTR (inc SP versions)

I also missed out stuff like the BMW boxers.

If you want the performance and like the sound, hell, I'd pick a big bang R1.

[Haggis2]

Can I still throw a leg over - one will do ........

Probably blown out by now and more like a harley....

[bungbung]

cx500

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPtomHtRJhI

[DEATH_INC.]

How about one of these?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-527559478.htm

or this

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-527506767.htm :D

[JimO]

The Reid twins at high school. Now they could perform and they looked good as well. Sweet sounds? You should have heard those girls sing. :devil2:
sure it wasnt the Ingham twins??

[brp]

They all twins upside down

Crikey not much out there for the price of a TL's

All of those dukes you got to frig round doing the belts every 20,000 KM ?

What are the KTM's like on the maintenance side of things ?

Yeah HDC nice Honda that one - I've been interested in those in the past, was looking round for best
bang for your buck (pass on Ingham twins) after the replies just think sit tight see what comes up in Christchurch
- missed out on original 13000KM 97 TL's in Darfield Canterbury last week - was a jap import though, imported in 98
180 km/hr speedo and restricted ECU

Cheers for the trademe links - the silver one they wanted $8500 when had prices up

Green one - green not really a preferred color - I seen it listed last month - was not coming up this month with tl1000
and tl 1000 searches

Cheers

[ducatilover]

What about a KTM Super Moto or Super Duke, they're pretty mad hooligan machines

[98tls]

Shame i know a bloke in the Nth isle who recently sold a really tasty one.Be patient if you really want a good one as theres still plenty out there,cant advise on anything better,bought my S about 11 years ago and cant bring myself to let it go.Why a 97?apart from being the 1st thats about all they have going for em over the later ones,internally there only a little different and having ridden plenty can say there no quicker than the rest,TLSs and old wives tales go hand in hand.

[98tls]

Pic of said S fwiw.

[4AGE]

rsvr

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-521085357.htm

[98tls]

rsvr

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-521085357.htm

Nice that.

[4AGE]

They go like stink and you have all the blingy goodies. OZ wheels, ohlins and the brembo's.

[98tls]

They go like stink and you have all the blingy goodies. OZ wheels, ohlins and the brembo's.

Far to sensible for me fella,some of us go about it the hard way buy a dinosour then spend a decade or so chucking money and time at it for no logical reason.:angry2::crazy:

[SlowHand]

Back away you vultures!

Half these bikes are on my watchlist (except for the hondas, cos they're ghey). I'm definitely buying something as soon as I hand in my last paper tomorrow. The 5 year draught will be over!

[Coolz]

I'm surpised nobody has mentioned a Buell yet.

[mossy1200]

I had a SP1. Painted in castrol colours. Guy in Auckland bought it. Any one seen it lately?
Good bike. Sounds better than vtr and tls and tlr. Faster acceleration and same top end speed as tlr.

Personally idd have my bmwr1200s back over the SP1. not as much power but close but handled better and easier to ride for long distance.
SP1 only gets 170 odd km per tank at legal speeds. So not good in that reguard but after 150km your arse needs a rest anyway.



http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-526677340.htm

Maybe a little to much monies that hes asking. 13 would be better price.

[nosebleed]

...I hand in my last paper tomorrow. The 5 year draught will be over!

Maybe just one more year?

Unless that was a Stephen Fry level word play on draught beer, or student overdraft.
In which case, kudos.

[JimO]

TL power here...http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-470151199.htm

[Laava]

I'm surpised nobody has mentioned a Buell yet.

Was thinking the same thing myself. 146hp worth of big smiles!
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-524109068.htm

The bellow these make when the throttle is open is fantastic! Plus, big range tank, belt drive and great value for money.

[mossy1200]

Was thinking the same thing myself. 146hp worth of big smiles!


Yeah even nicer in the flesh than photos show. At least you would know thats been looked after.

Idd sell you a MT01 but its something you would need to progress up to in stages:gob:

[Laava]

TL power here...http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-470151199.htm

This would be a good buy for sure esp all set up for touring. But not an improvement on a TLS I wouldn,t have thought.

[Jantar]

I'm surpised nobody has mentioned a Buell yet.
I'm not. :innocent:

[FJRider]

Yamaha brought out a nice twin ... a parallel twin with the firing pattern of a Ducati.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_TRX850

[98tls]

Yamaha brought out a nice twin ... a parallel twin with the firing pattern of a Ducati.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_TRX850

Yep thought about one of those myself.Anyone buying a TLS these days needs to take into consideration things like swingarm bearings etc (barely lubed when new) will be well shagged,unless its got a Bitubo then the spring on a stick no doubt will need replacing not to mention the rotary damper if it hasnt been biffed.Theres still some tidy ones out there but most inclusive of those being tidy will need attention.

[Ocean1]

I'm surpised nobody has mentioned a Buell yet.


Was thinking the same thing myself. 146hp worth of big smiles!
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-524109068.htm

The bellow these make when the throttle is open is fantastic! Plus, big range tank, belt drive and great value for money.

Cheers, red label init?

And yes, no discssion about well motivated twins is complete without an 1125CR.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/153731-Buell-Loki

[ducatilover]

Yep thought about one of those myself.Anyone buying a TLS these days needs to take into consideration things like swingarm bearings etc (barely lubed when new) will be well shagged,unless its got a Bitubo then the spring on a stick no doubt will need replacing not to mention the rotary damper if it hasnt been biffed.Theres still some tidy ones out there but most inclusive of those being tidy will need attention.

It's not incredibly hard to do a bunch of swinger bearings, they're really a consimable (IMO) and don't count
But that dorr stop...err...shock, I would hope everyone has thrown them away by now

[98tls]

It's not incredibly hard to do a bunch of swinger bearings, they're really a consimable (IMO) and don't count
But that dorr stop...err...shock, I would hope everyone has thrown them away by now

No its not and every TLS should have had them replaced long ago but rarely have i come across one thats been done,steering head bearings the same..As for the door stop i still see far more with it than not.

[ducatilover]

No its not and every TLS should have had them replaced long ago but rarely have i come across one thats been done,steering head bearings the same..As for the door stop i still see far more with it than not.

I'm not entirely surprised about the bearings not being done, but the sprung turd is a worry. I've heard countless "yeah, I was powering out of a corner and it started a weave" "I was doing some shit and it had a dirty big slapper" stories.

[SlowHand]

Maybe just one more year?

Unless that was a Stephen Fry level word play on draught beer, or student overdraft.
In which case, kudos.


You ass jockey.

Well spotted mate. I knew that wasn't right when I typed it, but couldn't be arsed with the extra brain power.

Now go get me that draught.

[jim.cox]

Or how about a piece of Italian art ?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-525067569.htm

[98tls]

I'm not entirely surprised about the bearings not being done, but the sprung turd is a worry. I've heard countless "yeah, I was powering out of a corner and it started a weave" "I was doing some shit and it had a dirty big slapper" stories.

Yea heard a few myself over the years,mostly starting with "my mate had one blah blah blah".I must have about every bike mag that featured them from new,poms seemed to moan the most about the handling (nothing new there) whereas i can remember one journo from a still publishing NZ bike mag say "ive had more head shake from a GSXR750" which isnt particularly famous for bad handling.Poor old TLS was on a hiding to nothing from the get go when at the release in Florida (from memory) some lunatic French journo attempted the impossible and ended up with 2 broken ankles,then a few pom owners planted themselves in hedgerows and the rests history.Ive ridden mine pretty hard over the years and only once did it give me any reason to contract my arsehole.As i said earlier TLSs and old wives tales go hand in hand,have to laugh at some of the crap over the years "widow maker":facepalm:can understand the term being used on some of the old Kwaka triples but the harmless old S...

[98tls]

Or how about a piece of Italian art ?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-525067569.htm

Very nice but if his budget goes to a TLS then methinks not.Be nice to have it in the shed though.

[jim.cox]

nice to have it in the shed though.

But even nicer to ride :)

[ducatilover]

Yea heard a few myself over the years,mostly starting with "my mate had one blah blah blah".I must have about every bike mag that featured them from new,poms seemed to moan the most about the handling (nothing new there) whereas i can remember one journo from a still publishing NZ bike mag say "ive had more head shake from a GSXR750" which isnt particularly famous for bad handling.Poor old TLS was on a hiding to nothing from the get go when at the release in Florida (from memory) some lunatic French journo attempted the impossible and ended up with 2 broken ankles,then a few pom owners planted themselves in hedgerows and the rests history.Ive ridden mine pretty hard over the years and only once did it give me any reason to contract my arsehole.As i said earlier TLSs and old wives tales go hand in hand,have to laugh at some of the crap over the years "widow maker":facepalm:can understand the term being used on some of the old Kwaka triples but the harmless old S...

Now that I think about it I've only heard a story from one owner, the rest of them have been as you say.
But, thinking even more, the one my mate had could have had a rooted shock anyway.
I bet they're not as slappy as my hotted Bros650 was... that thing was fucked in the head, proper scary (then I slappered it too hard and fell off at a decent pace)
I remember the Pommy journos going on about how shit handling the VTR1000f is, and I personally don't think they're that bad.

Giz a go on yours bro :bleh:

[mulletman]

OMG, I'm so sorry to be the one to do this, but that title was just begging for this...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj1SyWntdo4

Now infract me for being :Offtopic: I'll take my punishment like a big girl

Ha ha that wins hands down ... or up:msn-wink: and your punishment :spanking:

[mulletman]

TL power here...http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-470151199.htm

Those are quite small bikes ,

[brp]

Do all the dukes suggested have to have belts etc changed at 20,000 KM ?

98tls - Why a 97 ? - cause I've bought into the BS of the full power model :D - your word does me !

Even on the TL forums guys that "seem" quite experienced say there is a difference - bigger inlet valves
to provide more top end so feel more brutal, later models have more bottom more mid range (one point I read)

Low down grunt suits me anyway

I looked up the inlet valves on bike bandit for the 97 and other years and they carry the same part number :sleep:

ECU seems to be different - talk of fuel mapping problems with 97 ECU - want confusion do bike research on the internet lolollllll

Yeah I'll just be patient and wait for right one to come up, got dusty butt coming up so will be building up ride fitness on XR anyway

Cheers All

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5b7_1237729780 :niceone:

[Fatjim]

Yea heard a few myself over the years,mostly starting with "my mate had one blah blah blah".I must have about every bike mag that featured them from new,poms seemed to moan the most about the handling (nothing new there) whereas i can remember one journo from a still publishing NZ bike mag say "ive had more head shake from a GSXR750" which isnt particularly famous for bad handling.Poor old TLS was on a hiding to nothing from the get go when at the release in Florida (from memory) some lunatic French journo attempted the impossible and ended up with 2 broken ankles,then a few pom owners planted themselves in hedgerows and the rests history.Ive ridden mine pretty hard over the years and only once did it give me any reason to contract my arsehole.As i said earlier TLSs and old wives tales go hand in hand,have to laugh at some of the crap over the years "widow maker":facepalm:can understand the term being used on some of the old Kwaka triples but the harmless old S...


http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/sport-twins-1997-3360.html

"Be afraid" was the first thing that came to my mind when a newbie rider recently asked me if I thought Suzuki's TL1000 would be a good bike for first-time riders. The TL1000 is pure evil: It bucks, wiggles and wheelies under hard acceleration, shaking its head over bumps at top speed. And don't you dare miss a first-to-second or second-to-third shift under full throttle -- it'll try and tankslap you off. Newbie riders should simply skip the TL and go straight to the morgue.

Then watch the video until the bitter and I mean bitter end.

http://www.motorcycle.com/gallery/video.php/v/videos/shoot-outs/29761-sport-twins-1997/tl_full-hi.flv.html

[GrayWolf]

Do all the dukes suggested have to have belts etc changed at 20,000 KM ?

98tls - Why a 97 ? - cause I've bought into the BS of the full power model :D - your word does me !

Even on the TL forums guys that "seem" quite experienced say there is a difference - bigger inlet valves
to provide more top end so feel more brutal, later models have more bottom more mid range (one point I read)

Low down grunt suits me anyway

I looked up the inlet valves on bike bandit for the 97 and other years and they carry the same part number :sleep:

ECU seems to be different - talk of fuel mapping problems with 97 ECU - want confusion do bike research on the internet lolollllll

Yeah I'll just be patient and wait for right one to come up, got dusty butt coming up so will be building up ride fitness on XR anyway

Cheers All

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5b7_1237729780 :niceone:

Then I'm going to suggest try a serious ride on an MT-01 and the Harley XR1200 sporty.. and I will tell you right up front I am no HD aficionado, but the XR1200 did impress me for handling and performance (bear in mind it ISNT a TL or VTR). If you like the XR1200 the performance of the MT and XR are very similar, just how they go about it is a bit different.

But if you want low down stomp? Then an MT is unbeatable .. 5.5k redline, 88bhp and 110ft lbs of torque.

[Ocean1]

Do all the dukes suggested have to have belts etc changed at 20,000 KM ?

Re belts, this: http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-524109068.htm has a belt. A final drive belt. And it's service life is indefinite.

You asked about twins with higher performance than a TLS, and yet you seem hell bent buying one.

I promise you an 1125CR performs better than a TL.

[brp]

http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/sport-twins-1997-3360.html

"Be afraid" was the first thing that came to my mind when a newbie rider recently asked me if I thought Suzuki's TL1000 would be a good bike for first-time riders. The TL1000 is pure evil: It bucks, wiggles and wheelies under hard acceleration, shaking its head over bumps at top speed. And don't you dare miss a first-to-second or second-to-third shift under full throttle -- it'll try and tankslap you off. Newbie riders should simply skip the TL and go straight to the morgue.

Then watch the video until the bitter and I mean bitter end.

http://www.motorcycle.com/gallery/video.php/v/videos/shoot-outs/29761-sport-twins-1997/tl_full-hi.flv.html

No newbiee should be on a 1000 in the first place

That guy in the video lines looked scratchie in places before the off - looks to have forgotten he had 125 HP at the rear - unless you are robbie bugden and the like - point and shoot big ponies - not on a lean more than a drunken salior like he did - that's what it looked like from this vantage point - hard to tell the exact cause with no sound - poor video quality - no shots of condition of rear tyre - if TL1000S were that much of a death trap there would be news reports every month of the "widow maker" strikes again - enough of them getting round NZ

[brp]

Then I'm going to suggest try a serious ride on an MT-01 and the Harley XR1200 sporty...

Chees yeah MT's built purely for low down grunt

Not bad looking bike in the flesh the XR hog - peanut gas tank would need to be upgraded to larger - interesting you were impressed with it and found it similar to the MT

(I'll keep those two in mind thanks)

Can afford to buy those suggested in the thread - just not that keen on affording the depreciation on them at this stage in life - the replies have reinforced further that the TLS is by far the best BANG for ya buck !

Crikey even maties shiney white Buell that he's being trying to sell me won't touch a TLS down the 1/4 :bleh:

[Ocean1]

Crikey even maties shiney white Buell that he's being trying to sell me won't touch a TLS down the 1/4 :bleh:

:laugh: Took me a while to get it shiney too mate, almost as long as it'd take to get a TLS down a quarter mile.

I like them, I liked them when they came out and I like them now, it's just that as much as they made some significant technological advances they did it 15 years ago. The 1125's may not be the fastest machine down a strip, that's not really what they're for, but they've got 15 years of technology, 20kg and 25hp on a TLS.

[Laava]

Yep, that L twin is a superb motor, has the sound and plenty of power and reliable as. I have a detuned version of, in my v strom and love it. But I also have a Buell so know exactly how much fun factor they have! Have to say tho I have not ridden a TL so can't comment comparitively. Hurry up and buy something so we can all test ride it!

[GrayWolf]

Chees yeah MT's built purely for low down grunt

Not bad looking bike in the flesh the XR hog - peanut gas tank would need to be upgraded to larger - interesting you were impressed with it and found it similar to the MT (I'll keep those two in mind thanks)

they perform around the same, acceleration the MT probably launches a bit harder, but the XR rev's out for longer, so they seem to balance out, I would put the MT a bit quicker than the standard XR, but it's so marginal it's really irrelevant. They handle reasonably similar, MT probably a bit 'softer'. Built quality is likely the biggest difference, MT was a flagship and it shows, the XR has got some 'cut corner' build quality, but then there was a 10k, new price difference. Fuel range is similar (15ltr tank on the MT)... they are dropping in price so you could pick an MT up for 12-13k. Yes a TL or VTR are quicker, but over hills and twisties I think you'd find either the MT or XR just as rapid.

[brp]

Good old hardly dangerous - 10k less achieve same performance - what about the 1580 - you taken one for a spin ? Recall reading the torque at a mere 3500 rpm impressive - seen 2011 streetbob go for US$7500 on ebay - shame the belt cover dictates cornering ability ...

To the engineer that owns the mighty buell - how can you say it out performs a tl1000s when its many bike lengths behind to 120 mph dare say to 160 mph too - 20 hp more and 20 kg's less but slower - what gives ? Is it the drag from the clamshells :)

[Laava]

http://www.sportrider.com/
Check this table out.

[Ocean1]

http://www.sportrider.com/
Check this table out.

Hmmm. TL1000S = 10.84 1/4 mile, Buell 1125R = 10.45.

No numbers for the CR, but it's geared 8% lower than the R, it'll be a tad quicker.

[brp]

Cheers for the table Laava even though it did not have the cafe racer details - handy bit of kit

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bikereviews/searchresults/Bike-Reviews/Buell/Buell-1125CR-2008-current/

(Not to mention it does not reach 160 MPH)

That link one of countless I found before making the statement

Looks a sweet ride your Buell - can only imagine the fun on the hills - if it had a streamlined fairing it might be inline with the TLS
in performance figures - but then you could just swap the elephant ear blinkers on the TLS for flush mount and it would pull
forward on the buell again :msn-wink: nice looking property you have BTW. Don't want to split hairs both quick bikes but to say it out
performs a TLS stretching it a bit .....


Take it its only some buell's that have a bad reputation for reliability ? Seem to be the butt of all jokes at times - think recall seeing quite few lightning
or similar models on trade me that had full reconditioned motors at only around 30K - like the look of some of them - like their philosophy - good power to weight ......

[98tls]

Hmmm. TL1000S = 10.84 1/4 mile, Buell 1125R = 10.45.

No numbers for the CR, but it's geared 8% lower than the R, it'll be a tad quicker.

Personally i could care less which ones quicker but fwiw one of the 1st things i did when i bought my TL 11 or so years back was get rid of the oem toothed rear sprocket,pulled way harder after that.

[98tls]

On the Buell reliability thing a member on here Buellbabe has or had a real nice older one that had done huge kms with few issues.Local bloke down here has an older one he rides everywhere,doesnt have a car just the Buell,thing just keeps on keeping on.

[DEATH_INC.]

Yea heard a few myself over the years,mostly starting with "my mate had one blah blah blah".
I've experienced it firsthand...it's no myth....My mate's one tried it's best to kill Me. Funny though, his one was bloody mint, yet Loosebruce's worn out, bent old shitta wobbled and weaved and carried on everywhere, but didn't seem to tankslap....

Having finally ridden a Buell (XB12s I think) after wanting to try one for ages, I was very dissapointed, I'd have a TL anyday....

[98tls]

I've experienced it firsthand...it's no myth....My mate's one tried it's best to kill Me. Funny though, his one was bloody mint, yet Loosebruce's worn out, bent old shitta wobbled and weaved and carried on everywhere, but didn't seem to tankslap....

Having finally ridden a Buell (XB12s I think) after wanting to try one for ages, I was very dissapointed, I'd have a TL anyday....

Put it this way i wouldnt ride mine hard without the steering damper.A few on the TL forum have removed there damper and report no problems :weird:why they would bother doing thats beyond me.I posted earlier mines had a crack at me once in 11 years,ive ridden worse.

[ducatilover]

I've experienced it firsthand...it's no myth....My mate's one tried it's best to kill Me. Funny though, his one was bloody mint, yet Loosebruce's worn out, bent old shitta wobbled and weaved and carried on everywhere, but didn't seem to tankslap....

Having finally ridden a Buell (XB12s I think) after wanting to try one for ages, I was very dissapointed, I'd have a TL anyday....

I loved XBs, then someone let me ride a "hot" XB9R. Gutless. Sounded ghey (opinion ofcourse) But the XB R look cool, the 12 isn't hugely grunty but I'm sure they go okay enough for a blat between corners bike? I've never got the chance to thrash a 12, just pootle on one
I'd buy a TL too, bigger bike-penis.

[98tls]

Amusing thread really considering the TLs 15 years old.My Mrs just told me ive had mine for 13 years,:(was sure it was only 10 or 11.

[GrayWolf]

Cheers for the table Laava even though it did not have the cafe racer details - handy bit of kit

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bikereviews/searchresults/Bike-Reviews/Buell/Buell-1125CR-2008-current/

(Not to mention it does not reach 160 MPH)

That link one of countless I found before making the statement

Looks a sweet ride your Buell - can only imagine the fun on the hills - if it had a streamlined fairing it might be inline with the TLS
in performance figures - but then you could just swap the elephant ear blinkers on the TLS for flush mount and it would pull
forward on the buell again :msn-wink: nice looking property you have BTW. Don't want to split hairs both quick bikes but to say it out
performs a TLS stretching it a bit .....


Take it its only some buell's that have a bad reputation for reliability ? Seem to be the butt of all jokes at times - think recall seeing quite few lightning
or similar models on trade me that had full reconditioned motors at only around 30K - like the look of some of them - like their philosophy - good power to weight ......

Straight line, or race ability for handling is irrelevant on the road... The TL may 'do it' all over the Buell, MT, XR, VTR etc etc on the track and on paper. The public highway has absolutely no relevance to a track or drag strip, different cambers, different surfaces, roadside furniture, sheep shit, cow poo and the mentioned beasties wandering onto the highway, broken and pot holed surface,, then there's the rider abilities... The VTR from memory was the more 'user friendly' bike out of the 2 TL/VTR. Over the Taka's I would be surprised if the TL was far if at all in front of even my MT,, However that again comes down to rider ability, and I am no race rider. Motor wise the TL has it on paper, but usability of that available power? Thats where the balance sheet suddenly becomes different in so many cases.. I'd really put $5 on the engineer with the Buell being faster over the Taka'a or paekak, or even the back road run from Martinboro to Castle point. The power delivery on the road is simply more suitable for road riding. The condition of a road surface has been well quoted as affecting sport/semi race bike handling in an often noticeably negative manner.

[98tls]

Considering the Buell was built a decade after the TL if its not quicker than somebody fucked up,that aside wether it is or not is irrelevant really as posted above a bikes only as quick as the guy piloting it.

[ducatilover]

Straight line, or race ability for handling is irrelevant on the road... The TL may 'do it' all over the Buell, MT, XR, VTR etc etc on the track and on paper. The public highway has absolutely no relevance to a track or drag strip, different cambers, different surfaces, roadside furniture, sheep shit, cow poo and the mentioned beasties wandering onto the highway, broken and pot holed surface,, then there's the rider abilities... The VTR from memory was the more 'user friendly' bike out of the 2 TL/VTR. Over the Taka's I would be surprised if the TL was far if at all in front of even my MT,, However that again comes down to rider ability, and I am no race rider. Motor wise the TL has it on paper, but usability of that available power? Thats where the balance sheet suddenly becomes different in so many cases.. I'd really put $5 on the engineer with the Buell being faster over the Taka'a or paekak, or even the back road run from Martinboro to Castle point. The power delivery on the road is simply more suitable for road riding. The condition of a road surface has been well quoted as affecting sport/semi race bike handling in an often noticeably negative manner.

Useability of power is a big issue. But re-gearing a bike isn't hard...unless you have something with that belt thingy-ma-bob on the arse. My silly little bike is much more useable now I've re-geared except first as it just wants to play mono games.
I'm with 98tls' abpve comment about if it's not faster then somebody has been doing something wrong

I reckon the MT would be fairly quick between the corners on the 'takas with that ridiculous torque it has...

[98tls]

Useability of power is a big issue. But re-gearing a bike isn't hard...unless you have something with that belt thingy-ma-bob on the arse. My silly little bike is much more useable now I've re-geared except first as it just wants to play mono games.
I'm with 98tls' abpve comment about if it's not faster then somebody has been doing something wrong

I reckon the MT would be fairly quick between the corners on the 'takas with that ridiculous torque it has...

Bottom line is if Buells were all that then somebody would be financing the making of em,there similar to TLs in that respect ie Dinosours.

[Laava]

Yep, you,re kinda just splitting hairs really.
You have to go with what you really want at the end of the day. Can you get a reasonable test ride? That will be the seller. My mate flew to wanganui to test ride and then buy a brand new Thruxton. He was infatuated but one ride was too much and he flew home again.




Bottom line is if Buells were all that then somebody would be financing the making of em,there similar to TLs in that respect ie Dinosours.

Still in production as EBR. Not allowed to call them Buells as HD own the brand. But limited no,s and expensive like an italian bike!

[brp]

Good post wolf !

Nice example you got TLS - something bit different that colour :niceone: did you put a bigger sprocket on the rear ?

Yeah Laava - test ride the real world ...

[98tls]

Good post wolf !

Nice example you got TLS - something bit different that colour :niceone: did you put a bigger sprocket on the rear ?

Yeah Laava - test ride the real world ...

It should be its had a fair amount of coin thrown at it over the years.Yep went +2 on the rear,much better,As for the colour some days i love it some i think "fuck this i am going to paint it black",quite rare in that colour so i guess that colour it will stay.

[Ocean1]

Motor wise the TL has it on paper, but usability of that available power?


Actually, the 1125 has it on paper. 146hp vs 125 for the TL.

As for power useability, how many sportsbike engines can pull 70Nm all the way from 4500rpm to 10500 rpm?

But apparently extensive research shows it's shit, because it can't do 160mph. :laugh:


I'd really put $5 on the engineer with the Buell being faster over the Taka'a or paekak, or even the back road run from Martinboro to Castle point.

Aye, nice roads on the 1125, but your $5 wouldn't be nescessarily be safe. I might have a damn fast bike but you know bloody well how much that means against a much better rider.


You have to go with what you really want at the end of the day.

Amen. And by all means love your ride, but enjoy it for what is, there's always better machinery and there will always be better riders.

[Ocean1]

It should be its had a fair amount of coin thrown at it over the years.Yep went +2 on the rear,much better,As for the colour some days i love it some i think "fuck this i am going to paint it black",quite rare in that colour so i guess that colour it will stay.

I like the colour. And at least you can change it, which is another thing it's got over a Buell.

[brp]

Cheers TLS

Shit performance your words not mine ! Both quick bikes is what I said ...

Hood I'm from if ya put up and are proved wrong ya take it on the chin

If one bike is faster down the quarter and has a higher top speed it has better performance - period !

[Ocean1]

Hood I'm from if ya put up and are proved wrong ya take it on the chin

Apparently you missed school that day. At least.


If one bike is faster down the quarter and has a higher top speed it has better performance - period !

Both Buell 1125 variants take less time to travel 1/4 mile than a TL.

And top speed isn't a measure of performance, it's a function of gearing.

But, y'now, you justify your prejudices your way, and I'll do it mine, eh?

Good luck, dude.

[bsasuper]

If only the harle...opps buel looked as good as it went, because it sure is a butt ugly thing.(especially the rotax powered thing)

[98tls]

If only the harle...opps buel looked as good as it went, because it sure is a butt ugly thing.(especially the rotax powered thing)

Depends whos looking at it i guess eh.personally i like it.

[brp]

Apparently you missed school that day. At least.



Both Buell 1125 variants take less time to travel 1/4 mile than a TL.

And top speed isn't a measure of performance, it's a function of gearing.

But, y'now, you justify your prejudices your way, and I'll do it mine, eh?

Good luck, dude.

Dude keep beliving your own bullshit - I obviously didnt publish the 1/4 mile times all round the net showing your buell is a second down on a bike 13 years older.

Top speed not a measure of performance its a function of gearing lmfao - so right gearing on a nifty 50 will make it pull 160 mph

Engineer - yeah you one of those self proclaimed engineers - without a degree - thick as bat shit you have proven yourself to be !

I'm out of here - no what I'm buying :D

[neels]

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

On paper my 83hp ducati is a waste of time, but oddly enough it keeps up with bikes with much better peak hp out there in the real world, and gets left behind by lower spec'd bikes piloted by riders with bigger balls than me.

Haven't ridden a tls but have ridden a statistically gutless buell, and having seen how you pilot your xr I would have thought it would be a perfect hooligan bike for you.

[bsasuper]

Top speed not a measure of performance its a function of gearing lmfao - so right gearing on a nifty 50 will make it pull 160 mph

:D

OHHHH NO NO NO:facepalm:

[GrayWolf]

Apparently you missed school that day. At least.



Both Buell 1125 variants take less time to travel 1/4 mile than a TL.

And top speed isn't a measure of performance, it's a function of gearing.

But, y'now, you justify your prejudices your way, and I'll do it mine, eh?

Good luck, dude.


Dude keep beliving your own bullshit - I obviously didnt publish the 1/4 mile times all round the net showing your buell is a second down on a bike 13 years older.

Top speed not a measure of performance its a function of gearing lmfao - so right gearing on a nifty 50 will make it pull 160 mph

Engineer - yeah you one of those self proclaimed engineers - without a degree - thick as bat shit you have proven yourself to be !

I'm out of here - no what I'm buying :D

Here we go, I AM (ex) an Engineer and I dont have a Degree either. I'm a Toolmaker, so I actually MADE the stuff that possibly some irk with a Degree had decided can be manufactured. Often only after much 'err' modification by those making and using the 'end product'. :bleh:
Why is it track, drag strip performance is the quoted 'proof' that A bike is superior to B bike? As we have all agreed it's often the rider skill that dictates the 'winner' but as for max acceleration, speed etc?
Over the years there have been many 'underpowered' bikes that have bitten superior machines in the arse... I own a ZZR1100 and the MT, oh and still have an FJ1200 lurking in the back of the garage. The MT is at least 1.5seconds slower over a 1/4 mile than the ZZR and probably 70-80kph slower. Over the Taka's or the Wainui hill? it's bloody faster, thats the same rider (me) on both bikes. On the open road or a good highway of course the ZZR is faster. Then there's the FJ1200, less power older technology and slower than the ZZR... but to around 100-120 kph, the FJ wee's all over the ZZR for top 2 gears acceleration and its a much nicer bike to 'launch' or trickle through general traffic.... Now I owned a MG 1100 Cali in the mid 90's.. a UK bike Mag' road tested one with the Honda CBR1000 and in real world riding the Honda couldnt get past the Guzzi, the low/mid range stomp was too good for the revvier higher power jappa to power past in traffic situations.
Yeh the TL is faster in stat's and full out performance.... so what???

[mulletman]

I quite liked the power and handleing of the 1125cr only problem for me is they're too small, the gauges were almost right under my chin and had to look down to see them, then theres that wicked
front brake that almost sends you over the bars. To me it needed some Pro tapers.

[madandy]

Does an Aprilia deserve mention in this thread about twins?
RSV...
I havent read mention of them here, :woohoo:

[Gremlin]

...
Aprilia RSVR (probably the Tuono as well), maybe the RSV Mille


Does an Aprilia deserve mention in this thread about twins?
RSV...
I havent read mention of them here, :woohoo:
Catch up old boy, mentioned on first page :D

[madandy]

Catch up old boy, mentioned on first page :D

D'oh
Ya got me.

Te Aprilia is probably gonna be my next ride :scooter:

[neels]

Interesting, a guy at work has been looking for a TL for ages, in the end decided people wanted far too much for what is now an old bike, and bought a Aprilia RSV instead.

[DMNTD]

D'oh
Ya got me.

Te Aprilia is probably gonna be my next ride :scooter:

You'd be mad not to, Andy!

We got ours a month ago and love it!


PS...just scored myself another Ducati too!

[Sensei]

Interesting, a guy at work has been looking for a TL for ages, in the end decided people wanted far too much for what is now an old bike, and bought a Aprilia RSV instead.

Smart move still the best Bang for Buck bike on the road even now Adays

[madandy]

You'd be mad not to, Andy!

We got ours a month ago and love it!


PS...just scored myself another Ducati too!

Sweet, I read you got a Diavel! Sweet!

A mate just traded a dorsoduro on the new V4 Tuono. I just missed a turn on Sunday on account of being far too hungover to ride even a push scooter :sick:

Bayride have a nice Falco I'm quite keen on.

[DMNTD]

Sweet, I read you got a Diavel! Sweet!

A mate just traded a dorsoduro on the new V4 Tuono. I just missed a turn on Sunday on account of being far too hungover to ride even a push scooter :sick:

Bayride have a nice Falco I'm quite keen on.

Don't ride the V4 Tuono or you will find a way to own one, serious.
That Falco looks the go mate

[dickie]

Don't ride the V4 Tuono or you will find a way to own one, serious.
That Falco looks the go mate
i can second that !!