Customer owes me two grand, best way to get it?

[jellywrestler]

OK folks, i've got a customer owes me just over $2K should I lodge it with bay corp or the small claims court or what is the most efficient way.
And no my invoice doesn't say recovery is on their cost.

[Gremlin]

OK folks, i've got a customer owes me just over $2K should I lodge it with bay corp or the small claims court or what is the most efficient way.
And no my invoice doesn't say recovery is on their cost.
Have they admitted it? Are they contesting the amount? Generally, Veda (new name for Baycorp) won't touch something if it's disputed. Also, debt collection companies want money upfront before they even do any work.

Disputes Tribunal is cheap, and you'll get a judgement in your favour (assuming you win), however, there is still the enforcement side if they just give you the finger. Individual or company?

[Woodman]

OK folks, i've got a customer owes me just over $2K should I lodge it with bay corp or the small claims court or what is the most efficient way.
And no my invoice doesn't say recovery is on their cost.

Give seven days written notice that you are taking it to Baycorp, then phone or visit when the deadline is two days away with the facts about what happens to someone who gets on the Baycorp books.

Don't fuck about, its your money and you don't work for free.

[mossy1200]

Is the bill disputed for any reason?

If its the customer is in financial problems will the courts award you so little per week that its pointless?

Has it gone nasty or can it be resolved with a payment plan?

Whats the recovery costs for bay corps help? would you feel ok about effecting someones life with debt collectors.
What percentage approx of the 2k is total loss in costs excluding profit(work out for yourself if recovery is worth the time involved)

The only reason im not self employed is I couldnt handle these issues very well I think.

:crazy:

[Gremlin]

Give seven days written notice that you are taking it to Baycorp, then phone or visit when the deadline is two days away with the facts about what happens to someone who gets on the Baycorp books.
The company I work for has been on both sides of disputes over the last few years. Some think that "setting" Baycorp on you is an easy ticket to payment.

Wrong, when they tried to chase us, we told them it was under dispute. Bye bye. Last time or two, they wanted proof, but that was about it.

[ac3_snow]

I've seen this posted before somewhere on KB

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/showthread.php?threadid=382668&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

Guy went through the process of 'notice of claim' and court proceedings etc to get his money back. I think filling with the district court cost about $150 but this was all just added on to the money which he got of the debtor at the end of it all.

[Crasherfromwayback]

OK folks, i've got a customer owes me just over $2K should I lodge it with bay corp or the small claims court or what is the most efficient way.
And no my invoice doesn't say recovery is on their cost.

I know a few very good debt collectors if you'd like to use them?

[awayatc]

Customer once owed me quite abit for signwriting....
Didn't pay....
didnt answer..

Pulled up at his place towed his runabout away...
Stuck a few stickers on and send him a letter:

Signwriting on your boat as requested finished .
Please collect and pay outstanding account.

After certain procedure/ amount of time you are allowed to sell on auction to recover costs....

as it was I had Boat over summer and enjoyed it....

M***F*ckers should pay their bills

[FJRider]

Gunpoint works for me ... :yes:

[jellywrestler]

Is the bill disputed for any reason?he thinks it's too much, i sat with him for an hour and a half and went through every part on the job he added it up came to the exact figure and then said no that can't be right. He is fijian indian, it is in their culture to haggle
he's offered me $1500 I counter offered $1800 which takes all my markup and a proportion of my hours, sounds like a back down but it's a solution to end it without this shit.

If its the customer is in financial problems will the courts award you so little per week that its pointless?

he can pay no problem

Has it gone nasty or can it be resolved with a payment plan?no, just in his nature to try and beat it down

Whats the recovery costs for bay corps help? no ideawould you feel ok about effecting someones life with debt collectors.the guy watched every minute of me doing the work i bent over backwards to get it perfect no travel time worked a couple of hours on the day of my 50th when i had guests and all and i as i said he came up with the same figures and then says it's wrong, how does he feel inflicting this on me?????
What percentage approx of the 2k is total loss in costs excluding profit(work out for yourself if recovery is worth the time involved)
it's a principal too

The only reason im not self employed is I couldnt handle these issues very well I think.

:crazy:
I know it's not fun, he's come back and i f rewrite the bill to $1800 he will pay straight away, i'm worried that then he may baulk and the $1800 may end up the new starting point etc. I simply said pay the $1800 and i'll adjust the bill to fit, that's were we're at now.

[sinfull]

I know it's not fun, he's come back and i f rewrite the bill to $1800 he will pay straight away, i'm worried that then he may baulk and the $1800 may end up the new starting point etc. I simply said pay the $1800 and i'll adjust the bill to fit, that's were we're at now.
I agree with crasher !

What i'd do now is write the new bill with interest added on, for time you have been waiting ! He's sure to want to talk about that, fuck em i say, if he baulks again tell him you'll keep adding interest at disproportional amounts till the cost of dodgy collectors has been added, then fuck him over !~

[Naki Rat]

.......
Disputes Tribunal is cheap, and you'll get a judgement in your favour (assuming you win), however, there is still the enforcement side if they just give you the finger. Individual or company?
I had a ruling in my favour from the Small Claims Court regarding damages relating to spray drift into my Organic orchard. The offender (ignorant land agent neighbour :tugger:) failed to pay by the due date so I approached the courts who requested I informed them of his vehicle's rego. Information supplied and the bailiffs turned up at the real estate office to take possession of his Subaru Outback.

He paid :motu:

[slofox]

You need to employ Mr Tombolino...he likes to breaka da leg...

Other than that, small claims. I used that process once and although it took a while, I did get the money.

[Banditbandit]

Sic Baycorp on him ... he is clearly not disputing the bill ... might scare him into paying ... he deserves it ..

BUT BayCorp once turned up on my door for a debt - I told them it was in dispute - the collector did not walk away - he told me what to do ... I did it .. and the company went away - saved me shit loads ..

So BayCorp collectors might not always be on your side ..

[HenryDorsetCase]

Customer once owed me quite abit for signwriting....
Didn't pay....
didnt answer..

Pulled up at his place towed his runabout away...
Stuck a few stickers on and send him a letter:

Signwriting on your boat as requested finished .
Please collect and pay outstanding account.

After certain procedure/ amount of time you are allowed to sell on auction to recover costs....

as it was I had Boat over summer and enjoyed it....

M***F*ckers should pay their bills

That is awesome. Totally illegal, but awesome nonetheless.

Extra-legal remedies are often the most effective.

[jrandom]

I know a few very good debt collectors if you'd like to use them?

They'll get nowhere if the customer's not an idiot and knows how to handle thugs attempting to stand him over.

If he's genuinely not prepared to pay, take it to the Disputes Tribunal, get an order for payment, then apply to have the court enforce it and collect the money. That way you'll eventually get your money regardless of whether the debtor's easily intimidated or not.

[jrandom]

Pulled up at his place towed his runabout away...

You did well to come out of that episode without a criminal conviction.

[skippa1]

Customer once owed me quite abit for signwriting....
Didn't pay....
didnt answer..

Pulled up at his place towed his runabout away...
Stuck a few stickers on and send him a letter:

Signwriting on your boat as requested finished .
Please collect and pay outstanding account.

After certain procedure/ amount of time you are allowed to sell on auction to recover costs....

as it was I had Boat over summer and enjoyed it....

M***F*ckers should pay their bills

Thats theft and he could have had you arrested for taking his boat. If you had sold it they would have thrown the book at you and repossesed it from the unfortunate buyer. In using it you took a huge liberty.........either he was a total twat or there is more to the story. I am ringing the BS bell.......

[sidecar bob]

I had an ex staff member that got away with more than his fair share. After a year I txt him that he had a week to sort it.
On the Thursday night I warned him that he had 24 hours, then on the Friday I went to his house, sat him firmly on his arse & he agreed that I could put stuff in my car until I was happy that I had enough.
Gordy is very happy with the welder!!
If thats illegal, then so is stealing off your employer & charging stuff up to him that you have no intention of paying for.
I call even stevens.
I offered him to sell the debt to the local gangsters, but he prefered it my way.
Id be happy to name the guy so nobody else employs the fat thieving old cunt.

[F5 Dave]

Set your alarm for 3 O'clock and knock on his door to wake him up every morning.

Explain that you have already spent the extra $200 in time explaining it & debt collection.

[schrodingers cat]

I know it's not fun, he's come back and i f rewrite the bill to $1800 he will pay straight away, i'm worried that then he may baulk and the $1800 may end up the new starting point etc. I simply said pay the $1800 and i'll adjust the bill to fit, that's were we're at now.

Meet him at the bank and let him deposit the $1800. Hand him the altered invoice. Tell him thanks for his business, fuck off and find another soft touch for the future.
Don't burn too much energy on it and chalk it up to exerience.

Add a Romula Clause to your invoices and notes regarding collection costs and interest on unpaid bills.
$200 to learn this is cheap

Oh and CUNT.

(Cash Upfront, No Tick)

[Crasherfromwayback]

They'll get nowhere if the customer's not an idiot and knows how to handle thugs attempting to stand him over.

.

Don't think I mentioned thugs. But I know a fair few of them too.

[jrandom]

Don't think I mentioned thugs.

Oh, you were planning on engaging someone to go and ask for the money politely?

:lol:


But I know a fair few of them too.

Yes, I suppose that can be either a benefit or a drawback of being in the Harley-Davidson sales and service market, depending on how you look at it.

Personally, experience has taught me that dealing with criminals is never worth it in the long run. (Unless they're paying cash, of course.)

[JimO]

what was the work??

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh, you were planning on engaging someone to go and ask for the money politely?

:lol:



Yes, I suppose that can be either a benefit or a drawback of being in the Harley-Davidson sales and service market, depending on how you look at it.

Personally, experience has taught me that dealing with criminals is never worth it in the long run. (Unless they're paying cash, of course.)

Absolutely. Some are very good at it.

Aye. I deal with them on a professional basis. I don't go drinking with them.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Meet him at the bank and let him deposit the $1800. Hand him the altered invoice. Tell him thanks for his business, fuck off and find another soft touch for the future.
Don't burn too much energy on it and chalk it up to exerience.

Add a Romula Clause to your invoices and notes regarding collection costs and interest on unpaid bills.
$200 to learn this is cheap

Oh and CUNT.

(Cash Upfront, No Tick)

they SHOULD be called Romula clauses. But they are Romalpa clauses. Rather were. That regime was replaced by the PPSR (Personal Property Securities Register).

You MUST include on your invoice and in your terms of trade (or preferably your quote) at least the following: "Payment due 20th of the Month following date of invoice. Any late paymwent will incur additional costs including penalty interest at % per month, and all costs of collection". Make them sign and send something back to accept the quote that includes that and bada boom, bada bing, term of the contract.

[jrandom]

bada boom, bada bing

New mental image of HDC going forward.

<img src="http://i46.tinypic.com/5z4axu.jpg"/>

[jasonu]

I know it's not fun, he's come back and i f rewrite the bill to $1800 he will pay straight away, i'm worried that then he may baulk and the $1800 may end up the new starting point etc. I simply said pay the $1800 and i'll adjust the bill to fit, that's were we're at now.

Fuck mate if he is a curry muncher you have buggar all chance of seeing anything. Shoulda taken the $1800 when it was on offer and kicked him in the dick for the other $200.

[The Lone Rider]

Plane flight, accom, and directions.

I'll get it.

[mossy1200]

I know it's not fun, he's come back and i f rewrite the bill to $1800 he will pay straight away, i'm worried that then he may baulk and the $1800 may end up the new starting point etc. I simply said pay the $1800 and i'll adjust the bill to fit, that's were we're at now.

Spent time in Fiji and had to say wasnt that keen on Nandi. Very hard to deal with FIs. They tend to think a quote is a bargining point that they can talk down after. Never do any extras over a quoted figure for them. when I was quoting at work idd add 20% just so we could afford to remove it later.
Some even have the theory that if they dont pay a bill they can use it as a bargining tool to get you to do more work. ill pay for that when you come back to do this or that.


Idd take the 18 and it will take over 200 off effort to get the last bit.

[HenryDorsetCase]

90% recovery vs 0% presently? Yep, take the money. In cash.

[Road kill]

Oh, you were planning on engaging someone to go and ask for the money politely?

:lol:



Yes, I suppose that can be either a benefit or a drawback of being in the Harley-Davidson sales and service market, depending on how you look at it.

Personally, experience has taught me that dealing with criminals is never worth it in the long run. (Unless they're paying cash, of course.)


I worked in debt collection in Oz for a number of years,,some people would of called me/us thugs,,but yes we were always polite.
You'd be suprised how effective being polite can be.
Having a sheriff parked in plain sight also helped,but the first chance was always dealing with us before losing the whole house hold,,,most people saw the logic.
NZ is such a backward place when it comes to being honest,,,or else.

[jrandom]

I worked in debt collection in Oz for a number of years,,some people would of called me/us thugs,,but yes we were always polite.

Debt collector, or court bailiff?


Having a sheriff parked in plain sight also helped...

In that case, I'm guessing the latter.

Still, I'm not familiar with how things work over there. Maybe in Australia you don't need a court order to take people's shit off them. Or were you repo-ing stuff that was secured under credit contracts? Or was the cop just bored and happy to do you a favour by parking in a particular location?

Anyway, in NZ, debt collectors are useful to larger outfits as subcontractors who do the work of making the polite calls and then doing the necessary litigating to get to the point where people's shit can be taken off them.

Of course, for a $2,000 debt, unless you can talk the debtor into paying at least some of it without further ado, or you have the time to sit in the Disputes Tribunal yourself, you might as well write it off. Doesn't do any harm to list it with the credit reporting agencies, but that won't get you your money back - it's just doing a favour to anyone else who might not have otherwise insisted on cash up front.

[Mom]

OK folks, i've got a customer owes me just over $2K should I lodge it with bay corp or the small claims court or what is the most efficient way.
And no my invoice doesn't say recovery is on their cost.

Find youself a retired man/or woman that would like a challenge. Offer him 20% to collect it. Provide him with the persons contact details and pay for all of his expenses. I guarantee you will get most of your money, and some tax deductable expenses as well. I was lucky enough to find one of these, he was amazing :)

[FJRider]

Find youself a retired man/or woman that would like a challenge. Offer him 20% to collect it. Provide him with the persons contact details and pay for all of his expenses. I guarantee you will get most of your money, and some tax deductable expenses as well. I was lucky enough to find one of these, he was amazing :)

But the women would Nag them to death ... and dead people don't pay well ... :brick:

[Akzle]

OK folks, i've got a customer owes me just over $2K should I lodge it with bay corp or the small claims court or what is the most efficient way.
And no my invoice doesn't say recovery is on their cost.

1- ask them for it.
(discuss some kind of payment option (if it's suitable to you))
2- send them a notice of intent. (to... prosecute/claim/kneecap them)
3- send a reminder notice
4- do what you said you'd do in your notice.

i would say small claims, but it costs money, takes time, is PITA. depends how much 2k$ is actually worth to you.

dont do business with him again

ammend your terms of trade to avoid confusion if future.

[jrandom]

grow weed for a living and insist on cash up front, then post on motorcycling forums about what a morally superior anarchist you are

If only we all had your wisdom.

[Road kill]

Commercial agent.

Commercial investigation,summons serve,Debt collection prior to Sheriff "bailiff" action.

We would sit down and look at peoples finances,come to an agreement.

Don't want to talk to us,then talk to the man with the paper work,,and he'll just take everything you own right now.

Great system,,,no mega outstanding fines while the person drives a $20,000 car or bike like in NZ.

[awayatc]

Thats theft and he could have had you arrested for taking his boat. If you had sold it they would have thrown the book at you and repossesed it from the unfortunate buyer. In using it you took a huge liberty.........either he was a total twat or there is more to the story. I am ringing the BS bell.......

Ring any bell you like...
I don't lie
Don't need to
People who know me know that.

Didn't take any liberties
Was semi legal...

He would ring for signwriting jobs
I say he rang to do signwriting on his boat
Who's to argue?
Tell him signwriting job is finished "as requested"
Please pick up and pay.

What sort of book you want to throw at me for that?

After a while (forgot how many weeks etc) you are legaly allowed to sell
disputed article by auction to recover cost.
if it fetches more you have to pay balance to debtor

Why would I have to lie about that....?

[ac3_snow]

After a while (forgot how many weeks etc) you are legaly allowed to sell
disputed article by auction to recover cost.
if it fetches more you have to pay balance to debtor



And before you do that you have to place a classified add in the paper stating your intent to dispose, after attempting to contact the owner. Been bitten by that before. Despite someone leaving an article for with us for about 8 months (normally 7 days to collect), all we missed was the add in the newspaper. Ended up having to pay for a replacement, and never got paid for the initial work.

[skippa1]

Ring any bell you like...
I don't lie
Don't need to
People who know me know that.

Didn't take any liberties
Was semi legal...

He would ring for signwriting jobs
I say he rang to do signwriting on his boat
Who's to argue?
Tell him signwriting job is finished "as requested"
Please pick up and pay.

What sort of book you want to throw at me for that?

After a while (forgot how many weeks etc) you are legaly allowed to sell
disputed article by auction to recover cost.
if it fetches more you have to pay balance to debtor

Why would I have to lie about that....?

youve got me cobber. All I can say is if I owed money to someone and they came and towed my boat away without permission, I would not sit there and do nothing. The cops would be the first port of call and if they were not interested, I would be coming around to get it back.
There is no such thing as semi legal. Its either legal or not. Taking someones boat because they owe you money is not legal unless the boat was used as security on the orginal job. It would be different if he brought the boat around to get the signs installed and you wouldnt release it until he paid. But to go around and uplift it because he hasnt paid.........I am pretty sure would be classed as theft. And if you steal it.....then use it.....then sell it the "book" could be thrown at you. The rule book doesnt get thrown out because you feel agrieved about monies owed.
There is a process whereby you can sell items to retrieve money owed, but you cant steal the item first.
Ding ding

[Gremlin]

Goods have to be directly related to money owed (like you sold them to the person) for you to retain possession or repo.

[Maha]

Some fucker owes me $1000 for a bike, I have resigned myself to the fact, some time ago, that I will never see that money.
He keeps moving house and repeated texts early on, went unanswered.
Its only money, and though I would rather have it, I wont let it get to me.
Should have wised up and got the money first, before handing over the bike to a drunkin' bullshitter.
My loss, chalk it up, get on with life.

[SPman]

youve got me cobber. All I can say is if I owed money to someone and they came and towed my boat away without permission, I would not sit there and do nothing. The cops would be the first port of call and if they were not interested, I would be coming around to get it back.
There is no such thing as semi legal. Its either legal or not. Taking someones boat because they owe you money is not legal unless the boat was used as security on the orginal job. It would be different if he brought the boat around to get the signs installed and you wouldnt release it until he paid. But to go around and uplift it because he hasnt paid.........I am pretty sure would be classed as theft. And if you steal it.....then use it.....then sell it the "book" could be thrown at you. The rule book doesnt get thrown out because you feel agrieved about monies owed.
There is a process whereby you can sell items to retrieve money owed, but you cant steal the item first.
Ding ding
All very well, but some people don't respond to "legal" actions.

I Brickie I know was owed $10k by a large Dunedin firm and they wouldn't pay. He went to see manager, grabbed said manager by shirt front (assault), told him he knew where he lived, and would burn down his house with his family inside if he didn't get a cheque that wouldn't bounce there and then (all sorts of nasty threatening to kill, etc). Manager wrote out cheque, said fellow went down to bank and cashed it, firm went into recievership the following Monday, with said tradie still listed as a creditor.........not legal, but he got his money. (if you lived in the Bays in the 70's or 80's as a tradie, you'd know who I'm talking about if I told you his name and would know he would have done what he said...)

[skippa1]

All very well, but some people don't respond to "legal" actions.

I Brickie I know was owed $10k by a large Dunedin firm and they wouldn't pay. He went to see manager, grabbed said manager by shirt front (assault), told him he knew where he lived, and would burn down his house with his family inside if he didn't get a cheque that wouldn't bounce there and then (all sorts of nasty threatening to kill, etc). Manager wrote out cheque, said fellow went down to bank and cashed it, firm went into recievership the following Monday, with said tradie still listed as a creditor.........not legal, but he got his money. (if you lived in the Bays in the 70's or 80's as a tradie, you'd know who I'm talking about if I told you his name and would know he would have done what he said...)

hey I dont doubt that shit happens all the time and still does. I am not saying that it shouldnt happen either, pricks should pay their bills. What I am saying is that I find it hard to beleive that a guy that owes money for some signs, sits back and lets some bloke hook his boat to the back of his wagon and drive off, then watchs the same signwriter run around the ocean in it for the summer without doing anything about it? Really? Do you think you would do that? I equally find it hard to believe that after stealing his boat, someone would think that they could sell it to reclaim monies owed for signwriting unrelated to the boat and get away with that either. Come on....really? Fark off....no way.

[jrandom]

Some fucker owes me $1000 for a bike

Why not take it to the Disputes Tribunal? If he doesn't show up, they'll pretty much rule in your favour by default (assuming you have evidence that he actually owes you the money). Then you can apply to have it collected. You'll get something in the end.

[jrandom]

Goods have to be directly related to money owed (like you sold them to the person) for you to retain possession or repo.

Retain possession, yes. Not repo. We're talking about a 'lien'. Repo-ing is for when the goods have been explicitly signed over as security for a debt, which isn't what this thread is about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanic's_lien

NZ-specific comments at http://www.tenone.police.govt.nz/tenone/Oct08Theft.htm

[jrandom]

All very well, but some people don't respond to "legal" actions.

That's why you can get a court order saying that they owe you the money, and then, when they don't pay it after that point, another court order sending the bailiffs round to take their shit whether they like it or not (or forcing their employer to deduct money from their wages, or any of the various recovery mechanisms that the courts can legally use).

[Akzle]

If only we all had your wisdom.
seriously bro?? you can't work with what i give you, so you make shit up.
weak.
very weak.


And before you do that you have to place a classified add
*gazetted notice
all legal mumbo-hurrah crap.



There is no such thing as semi legal. Its either legal or not.
don't know much about law, do ya?

[skippa1]

don't know much about law, do ya?

yeah well you dont know fuck all about fuck all but it doesnt stop you making comment

[Akzle]

yeah well you dont know fuck all about fuck all but it doesnt stop you making comment

even if it were true, that's twice as much as you.. :bleh:

[skippa1]

even if it were true, that's twice as much as you.. :bleh:

we should get this off a personal level and seeing as I started it.....nah fuck it....you are better having 50% of something than 100% of nothing....so in this case you do have it all. The holder of 100% of fuck all:first:your trophy sir:clap:

[SPman]

That's why you can get a court order saying that they owe you the money, and then, when they don't pay it after that point, another court order sending the bailiffs round to take their shit whether they like it or not (or forcing their employer to deduct money from their wages, or any of the various recovery mechanisms that the courts can legally use).
Oh, I agree. In this case, however, Mr K would have ended up with zilch - like all the other subbies on Princes Wharf........there are times when putting the fear of god into someone actually works. :(

[jrandom]

there are times when putting the fear of god into someone actually works. :(

Oh, true, true. Of course, in an impending-receivership situation, you're fucking the other creditors by taking your full slice of the pie when there's not actually enough to go around. I guess that's why most receiverships are kept as secret-squirrel as possible until they're already in force.

So, yeah. Being a cunt can definitely work, for certain values of 'work'.

[scumdog]

Thats theft and he could have had you arrested for taking his boat. If you had sold it they would have thrown the book at you and repossesed it from the unfortunate buyer. In using it you took a huge liberty.........either he was a total twat or there is more to the story. I am ringing the BS bell.......

Unlike me you've never met awayatc otherwise you wouldn't have posted that...

[skippa1]

Unlike me you've never met awayatc otherwise you wouldn't have posted that...

aw didums.....maybe I was trolling (I might have been mwahahahahaha....did it work?)

[scumdog]

aw didums.....maybe I was trolling (I might have been mwahahahahaha....did it work?)

Easy to say that NOW....:bleh:

[Motu]

Debt collection agencies only go down to the last $150, then they stop - do the $1800 now. The only time I got 100% of my money was a criminal case, and it took 8 years....I even kept the car, but still lost in the long run.

[skippa1]

Easy to say that NOW....:bleh:

sorry....you must be mistaking me for someone that gives a fuck about you meeting your chum. Are you saying because you met him you think "who he is" makes him justified in taking a blokes boat in lieu of his paying a signwriting account? Smells like the old forged search warrant to me......as long as its for the greater good......you fellas learnt that at police college didnt you...

[scumdog]

sorry....you must be mistaking me for someone that gives a fuck about you meeting your chum. Are you saying because you met him you think "who he is" makes him justified in taking a blokes boat in lieu of his paying a signwriting account? Smells like the old forged search warrant to me......as long as its for the greater good......you fellas learnt that at police college didnt you...

You're telling the story hot-shot...:rolleyes:

[skippa1]

You're telling the story hot-shot...:rolleyes:

haha....fuckin hell....nice come back

[caspernz]

...there are times when putting the fear of god into someone actually works. :(

With you on that. A remedy doesn't have to be 100% legal to be effective...:2thumbsup

[Flip]

I still do some debt collection work and have for years.

You have to give folk a chance to do the right thing and save face. Getting all pissy just gives folks the moral excuse not to pay.

For the gas company I used to drop in a 1700 when they were cooking dinner and say I have been sent out to turn the gas off. I then have had to listen to every BS excuse under the sun. I then used to say that i don't want to be a bastard and cut them off, but that they had to call the bad debt man at accounts payable imeadiately as he was the only person who could call me off. They then call the man while I wait and make arangements on the spot to pay the bill. I had a 100% success rate doing this and basically was still the nice guy.


Just today I got a $150,000 out of a corporate by just being the nice guy and making it possible for them to do the right thing. The accountant has been chasing this at $150/hr for 3 months, it took me 20 min to get the money, but this is another story for another time.

On the other hand it's not actually my money and I'm Scotts and are actually a tight fisted wanker.

[awayatc]

hey I dont doubt that shit happens all the time and still does. I am not saying that it shouldnt happen either, pricks should pay their bills. What I am saying is that I find it hard to beleive that a guy that owes money for some signs, sits back and lets some bloke hook his boat to the back of his wagon and drive off, then watchs the same signwriter run around the ocean in it for the summer without doing anything about it? Really? Do you think you would do that? I equally find it hard to believe that after stealing his boat, someone would think that they could sell it to reclaim monies owed for signwriting unrelated to the boat and get away with that either. Come on....really? Fark off....no way.

PM me if you want me to tell you when and where and whom why..

Don't like to be called a liar
Better get your facts sorted before you go there
could tell you other stories, but be a waste of time
sounds like you had to much of a sheltered life...

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm Scotts and are actually a tight fisted wanker.

So you have a long thin cock?

[sidecar bob]

With you on that. A remedy doesn't have to be 100% legal to be effective...:2thumbsup

Absolutely. Take the Kim.com raid for example.

[F5 Dave]

I still do some debt collection work and have for years.

You have to give folk a chance to do the right thing and save face. Getting all pissy just gives folks the moral excuse not to pay.

For the gas company I used to drop in a 1700 when they were cooking dinner and say I have been sent out to turn the gas off. I then have had to listen to every BS excuse under the sun. I then used to say that i don't want to be a bastard and cut them off, but that they had to call the bad debt man at accounts payable imeadiately as he was the only person who could call me off. They then call the man while I wait and make arangements on the spot to pay the bill. I had a 100% success rate doing this and basically was still the nice guy.


Just today I got a $150,000 out of a corporate by just being the nice guy and making it possible for them to do the right thing. The accountant has been chasing this at $150/hr for 3 months, it took me 20 min to get the money, but this is another story for another time.

On the other hand it's not actually my money and I'm Scotts and are actually a tight fisted wanker.

Well you do sound a bit scary. Do you look like some horrible Biker?, or is that you in the pic below your post?

[skippa1]

PM me if you want me to tell you when and where and whom why..

Don't like to be called a liar
Better get your facts sorted before you go there
could tell you other stories, but be a waste of time
sounds like you had to much of a sheltered life...

cool thing about forums is we are all right and better than everyone else :msn-wink:

[Owl]

I still do some debt collection work and have for years.

So you finally collected those parts from Triumph NZ then?:msn-wink:

[Flip]

So you finally collected those parts from Triumph NZ then?:msn-wink:

In some cases some folk just don't care who they rip off. Triumph NZ fall into this category, just theving scumbags IMHO. Good luck getting money from people like this.

Every time I see a nice new Triumph, and I have had a few and love the bikes, I think nice bike shame that the local importer. The motorcycle industry here does not need operators who place business before ethics. I personally won't be buying a Triumph while Triumph NZ is in the supply chain.

I often complain about how the Japs used to agressively market and dump bikes on a market, distroying local manuifacturers but at least they don't rip the customers off.

[F5 Dave]

I've been stupid enough to own 3 GasGas & a Triumph, which along with Aprilia are all under their umbrella.

Fortunately GG have a great dealer in chch & there is this great thing called the internerd so Aust & US are on standby.

Anyway you filthy liar, you still have a Triumph. For giggles you should ask them for parts for it.

[The Lone Rider]

I retract my previous offer to take care of it. I just had elbow surgery and would need a few months to claim itcob :doctor:

[Flip]

I've been stupid enough to own 3 GasGas & a Triumph, which along with Aprilia are all under their umbrella.

Fortunately GG have a great dealer in chch & there is this great thing called the internerd so Aust & US are on standby.

Anyway you filthy liar, you still have a Triumph. For giggles you should ask them for parts for it.

I have no doubt that they would be happy to take my money again.

[Brett]

90% recovery vs 0% presently? Yep, take the money. In cash.

Exactly...write the remainder off as bad debt and call it a day.

[F5 Dave]

I have no doubt that they would be happy to take my money again.
Sort of an unsecured no interest loan scheme:wait: