What bike!

[rogue racing]

hello i know this is a far stretch but i was wondering if anyone can put me in the right direction for what bike i should ride next year and where to get a hold of one
thanks!

[BigAl]

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[SWERVE]

keep an eye on David Neals post and see what said on there........ my advice for you is 250 proddie.......but im as biased to them as Dr Steve is to 125s...

[Pumba]

Bit of a ambiguous question without any context.

However assuming that you are currently racing streetstock on an RG I would be following this thread here pretty closely.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/154137-Where-to-go-from-here

[quallman1234]

keep an eye on David Neals post and see what said on there........ my advice for you is 250 proddie.......but im as biased to them as Dr Steve is to 125s...

He's already going as fast if not faster than the 250 proddie bikes. He might win a NZ title, but he won't learn that much.
The next logical step is 125GP (or Moto3 if a real one comes in the country). Get fast on one of those and go to the UK BSB series. No point hanging around here burning money on 600's when you could be getting noticed in the UK.
The problem obviously is that good 125's for sale are pretty sparse to buy in NZ.

My theory is, once you'll able to beat everyone in your class, then move up. Unless you have a major disadvantage in size and weight.

[SWERVE]

As i said in another post..... those who can rise through the classes each season and still learn as they go are VERY few and far between. One VMCC winter series with only one other serious contender does not make a true champion. Having a number of bikes with the same power arriving at the corners together WILL hone thier racecraft heaps. And 250 proddie is an affordable way to do this.
Let him come to the Sth... ride in development class and see if he is top of the pile.......... if he is then i will consume a hat of your choice ..and agree that 125 is the next logical step.
So many youngster are hell bent on getting into the senior classes ASAP
While i agree that BSB/Europe is the way for youngsters.... the problem is that their 13/15 yr olds are race hardened veterans of 5+ yrs
When we can address that fact (and i know things are happening behind the scenes...... ) then we can match the rest of the world on a even keel.

[Billy]

He's already going as fast if not faster than the 250 proddie bikes. He might win a NZ title, but he won't learn that much.


Don't see the relevance in laptimes between a streetstock 150 and a 250 production machine,No disrespect to Rogan,BUT the fact is he's still well off the lap record at Manfeild for a streetstock machine,He'll learn more on a new 250 production machine in a field of equally powered machinery about racecraft than he'll ever learn on a 12 year old GP machine he can't afford to run in the first place,Might win a NZ title....I very much doubt he'd be in the top 10 bearing in mind he hasn't even seen the SI tracks yet and has learned little about racecraft too date.

What is it with this theory that you have to be on a 125 to have any chance of an international career???? I can think of a number of riders from this country that had success on the international stage that came through the ranks of 250 production,Aaron Slight,Andrew Stroud,Simon Crafar,Brian Bernard,Johnny Hepburn,Chris Haldane,Eddie Kattenberg to name a few,Can't think of anybody from our 125 GP class.Why??? cause they learned how to actually race a bike before having their heads filled with machine set up and laptimes!!!

[quallman1234]

Don't see the relevance in laptimes between a streetstock 150 and a 250 production machine,No disrespect to Rogan,BUT the fact is he's still well off the lap record at Manfeild for a streetstock machine,He'll learn more on a new 250 production machine in a field of equally powered machinery about racecraft than he'll ever learn on a 12 year old GP machine he can't afford to run in the first place,Might win a NZ title....I very much doubt he'd be in the top 10 bearing in mind he hasn't even seen the SI tracks yet and has learned little about racecraft too date.

What is it with this theory that you have to be on a 125 to have any chance of an international career???? I can think of a number of riders from this country that had success on the international stage that came through the ranks of 250 production,Aaron Slight,Andrew Stroud,Simon Crafar,Brian Bernard,Johnny Hepburn,Chris Haldane,Eddie Kattenberg to name a few,Can't think of anybody from our 125 GP class.Why??? cause they learned how to actually race a bike before having their heads filled with machine set up and laptimes!!!

I've forgetten he has not done the SI tracks! I got him mixed up with Tyler for some reason, who did all of the SI nationals last year on his 150. In which case i agree, get on a Proddy 250 bike for this nationals and he should learn plenty. Aaron hassan has a very nice one for sale. There seems to be plently of good close racing going on in this class and you will learn alot without wasting a whole bunch of $ on pistons and tyres.

After has proven himself in Proddy 250. 125GP is an easy class to cross enter oversea's with into similar classes in BSB (i.e Moto3/125GP). Its seems a lot simpler to get experience on a bike here which is similar to what your going to race there. Alot of guys in NZ have hired a bike oversea's which they have absolutely no experiences on in the odd chance that they are going to go well. Which thus far they haven't. I would have preferred the EJC to have stayed with Ninja 250's then we could of have had a half a chance of sending someone with the potential to win as they would know the bike inside and out before they got there. But like it or not we still only have one international class, 125GP. Which won't last much longer with the invent of Moto3.

I'm looking forward to seeing how Jake and co go at the EJC and glad that they have stop racing motards (well basically!)

[budda]

He's already going as fast if not faster than the 250 proddie bikes. He might win a NZ title, but he won't learn that much.
The next logical step is 125GP (or Moto3 if a real one comes in the country). Get fast on one of those and go to the UK BSB series. No point hanging around here burning money on 600's when you could be getting noticed in the UK.
The problem obviously is that good 125's for sale are pretty sparse to buy in NZ.

My theory is, once you'll able to beat everyone in your class, then move up. Unless you have a major disadvantage in size and weight.

Been watching threads like this one for what seems like YEARS, and have NEVER seen anyone answer that most basic of questions - Why is StreetStock / 250 proddie seen as something you "must" move on from ?????????????

If you are enjoying your racing, its affordable, and you arent delusional about being "the next big thing", WHY should you move on ?
........ look forward to some very wise and unbiased answers

[CHOPPA]

There are so many paths and opinions in road racing its hard to choose. No point asking on here because even though we all have the same enthusiasm for the sport we all look at it from polar opposites its quite interesting...

Id go out on a limb and say whatever you decide will be the right path for you, buckets or superbikes its the time you put in that makes the difference

[gixerracer]

Been watching threads like this one for what seems like YEARS, and have NEVER seen anyone answer that most basic of questions - Why is StreetStock / 250 proddie seen as something you "must" move on from ?????????????

If you are enjoying your racing, its affordable, and you arent delusional about being "the next big thing", WHY should you move on ?
........ look forward to some very wise and unbiased answers

Everybody knows(except budda) Superbikes are the only cool bikes and everything else is just plain stupid

[Billy]

Id go out on a limb and say whatever you decide will be the right path for you, buckets or superbikes its the time you put in that makes the difference

Bingo !!!!!

[quallman1234]

There are so many paths and opinions in road racing its hard to choose. No point asking on here because even though we all have the same enthusiasm for the sport we all look at it from polar opposites its quite interesting...

Id go out on a limb and say whatever you decide will be the right path for you, buckets or superbikes its the time you put in that makes the difference

Completely 100% agree.

[ktm84mxc]

Lots of great advice on here all with there own merits , my advice would be to choose a ultimate end goal eg Motogp, SBK and plan a path to that end.
NZ is a very small pond and you'll need to gauge your self in a larger pond to see if you measure up try Aus, Japan, Malaysia etc
Many have goals of being the next big thing but reality can be a cruel bitch .

[budda]

Everybody knows(except budda) Superbikes are the only cool bikes and everything else is just plain stupid

Thank you, oh Wise One ............

[budda]

Lots of great advice on here all with there own merits , my advice would be to choose a ultimate end goal eg Motogp, SBK and plan a path to that end.
NZ is a very small pond and you'll need to gauge your self in a larger pond to see if you measure up try Aus, Japan, Malaysia etc
Many have goals of being the next big thing but reality can be a cruel bitch .

Not entirely incorrect - the BIG problem is that it doesnt matter one fat rats arse whether YOU feel you measure up ........
Sadly, you must be Talented enough, Connected enough AND Rich enough, all at the same time as being in the Right Place.

Not many at the Pointy end, even at World level, keep going once they stop enjoying it - is there a lesson in there somewhere ?

[RobGassit]

In my opinion, having seen the Streetstock class run at the last 2 Nationals Series, you are just the right size for the 150 presently, leg length etc, as opposed to David who is almost too big. If you were to follow Tylers steps of last year, and do all the National Rounds on a well sorted, reliable 150, you would then be well set up for a next step. I think until you challenge yourself with the South Island riders, who are finely honed in the craft of getting the very best out of not alot, you will be missing out on a valuable step in your development. You seem to thrive on competition, as you did racing David. Those Southerners will either break you or make you faster than you ever thought possible. I'd bet you will rise to the challenge. There still may be room in Billy's trailer for one more scoot if that would help.

[Billy]

In my opinion, having seen the Streetstock class run at the last 2 Nationals Series, you are just the right size for the 150 presently, leg length etc, as opposed to David who is almost too big. If you were to follow Tylers steps of last year, and do all the National Rounds on a well sorted, reliable 150, you would then be well set up for a next step. I think until you challenge yourself with the South Island riders, who are finely honed in the craft of getting the very best out of not alot, you will be missing out on a valuable step in your development. You seem to thrive on competition, as you did racing David. Those Southerners will either break you or make you faster than you ever thought possible. I'd bet you will rise to the challenge. There still may be room in Billy's trailer for one more scoot if that would help.

As I understand it,Rogan is already heading South for the Nationals on his 150 with the "Banks clan",I think he's talking more next winter and beyond.

[jellywrestler]

I got him mixed up with Tyler for some reason, jeesus them's fighting words....

[jellywrestler]

Everybody knows Sidecars are the only cool bikes and everything else is just plain stupid
well said that man

[Akzle]

hello i know this is a far stretch but i was wondering if anyone can put me in the right direction for what bike i should ride next year and where to get a hold of one
thanks!

rs125, worked exhaust, skinny needle, fat jet and stuff?

[SVboy]

rs125, worked exhaust, skinny needle, fat jet and stuff?

Thank you Oh racing god! The op would be a fool not to follow your gospel to the letter! :weird:

[discodan]

If it were me I'd try and do the nationals on a 250 (money permitting obvisouly) and then get on a 125/moto3 next year. If your ambition is to be fast then I agree with what ktm said and you should just aim for the stars and see what happens.

Whatever you end up riding just make sure you give it 100% effort every time you ride :niceone:

[quickbuck]

Everybody knows(except budda) Superbikes are the only cool bikes and everything else is just plain stupid

What was the name of that guy who used to lap Wanganui on a 600 faster than Stroud could on a 1000???
Craig somebody.... Guess he went weird at some point ;)

[quickbuck]

Been watching threads like this one for what seems like YEARS, and have NEVER seen anyone answer that most basic of questions - Why is StreetStock / 250 proddie seen as something you "must" move on from ?????????????

If you are enjoying your racing, its affordable, and you arent delusional about being "the next big thing", WHY should you move on ?
........ look forward to some very wise and unbiased answers

Yup, people keep asking me where to next as well...
After looking at my bank, and thinking long and hard, I am still not sure I need to move from 250 Production.
Yes it is a development class, but I am still developing.... Good things take time and all that....
Oh, and do I enjoy the racing????... Freak Yeah!!!!

[budda]

Yup, people keep asking me where to next as well...
After looking at my bank, and thinking long and hard, I am still not sure I need to move from 250 Production.
Yes it is a development class, but I am still developing.... Good things take time and all that....
Oh, and do I enjoy the racing????... Freak Yeah!!!!

and THAT is the only reason to be DOING it, for the sheer unadulterated FUN of it ! Have to disagree slightly though - WHO SAYS 250 Proddy is a "development class", and therefore something to "graduate" from ? It IS NOW, as it was INTENDED to be, a viable, stand-alone NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP CLASS. If you feel the need, and have the matching wallet, feel free to move on "up" .........
but labelling things as "development" tends to devalue their worth for all those "serious" racers out there. In my biased opinion .......