Courses to cut time of Restricted license

[Ninjarider]

I am 41 yr and only got my 6R a couple months ago.....my intention was to sit my 6F in Feb 2013...some 6 months later but have now read on LTSA that EVERY 6R rider must do 18 months n their 6R!!!!! WTF!!!!!!! There goes my chance to upgrade.......is anyone able to offer advice ? Cheers

[Katman]

Them's the breaks.

The extra time before upgrading won't do you any harm.

(There is actually a far greater range of bikes available to you now though).

[Ender EnZed]

got my 6R a couple months ago... ...is anyone able to offer advice?

You've got about 16 months left before you can sit your full. HTH. :sunny:

Seriously though, if you've got the money and the inclination to make a change from your 250 there are plenty of bigger bikes you're allowed to ride now. Just nothing that's significantly faster than what you're on now or over 660cc.

[Drew]

You've got about 16 months left before you can sit your full. HTH. :sunny:

Seriously though, if you've got the money and the inclination to make a change from your 250 there are plenty of bigger bikes you're allowed to ride now. Just nothing that's significantly faster than what you're on now or over 660cc.
There is heaps on the list, that are significantly faster than what he's riding now.

[White trash]

I've spent the past week on three new LAMS bikes. An S40, a DR650 and a Hyosung GT650RL. All an immense amount of fun for what they're intended and MORE than enough performance for every day road riding.

[GoSlowR]

I am 41 yr and only got my 6R a couple months ago.....my intention was to sit my 6F in Feb 2013...some 6 months later but have now read on LTSA that EVERY 6R rider must do 18 months n their 6R!!!!! WTF!!!!!!! There goes my chance to upgrade.......is anyone able to offer advice ? Cheers

Dude, I'm in the same boat - sat mine 2 months ago, went in and booked the test (before 1 oct) and it was still under the old system - test at the end of the month! Dunno if that'll work now that its after 1 oct....... Go into AA or whatever and see if they'll let you book it for 6 months after the date of your 6R (or 3 months if you did a course). Worth a shot!!! You might fond that cos you started under the old system it'll still be sweet.

[davereid]

Dude, I'm in the same boat - sat mine 2 months ago, went in and booked the test (before 1 oct) and it was still under the old system - test at the end of the month! Dunno if that'll work now that its after 1 oct....... Go into AA or whatever and see if they'll let you book it for 6 months after the date of your 6R (or 3 months if you did a course). Worth a shot!!! You might fond that cos you started under the old system it'll still be sweet.

The NZTA promised that if you started under the old system you would be able to finish under the old system. I have a copy of the document in which they made that promise, so PM me if you need it.

However the NZTA are chronic fuck ups, chances are they have "forgotten" or they didnt really mean it and it will only apply to one eyed nigerian refugees with 18 kids who got here on the rich investor scheme.

[p.dath]

I am 41 yr and only got my 6R a couple months ago.....my intention was to sit my 6F in Feb 2013...some 6 months later but have now read on LTSA that EVERY 6R rider must do 18 months n their 6R!!!!! WTF!!!!!!! There goes my chance to upgrade.......is anyone able to offer advice ? Cheers

Yep, that's the new regulation.

It's an acknowledgment that any other driver skills you have, or age, won't make you a better rider. Only time riding (and training) will make you a better rider.

[Glowerss]

The NZTA promised that if you started under the old system you would be able to finish under the old system. I have a copy of the document in which they made that promise, so PM me if you need it.

However the NZTA are chronic fuck ups, chances are they have "forgotten" or they didnt really mean it and it will only apply to one eyed nigerian refugees with 18 kids who got here on the rich investor scheme.

Won't work im afraid. I just called up today because I had to reschedule my R test (clutch cable snapped in the middle of the last one :mad: ) and had a go at them using that docu you have.

Won't work. I was told "that's an outdated document and should have been pulled down". I expect in the next day or so, it will no longer be available on the NZTA website. I had a hassle with the chick on the phone, and basically the ruling is "get fucked" in regards to finishing under the old system im afraid. The only exemption they will allow is if you've already done the defensive driving course they'll knock a few months off. But you would have had to have completed the course before the 1st of October.

Basically, get a LAMS bike, stick with your 250 for another 16 months, or say fuck it and ride outside your license restrictions. Honestly, if it bothers you that much, just ride what you want. and if you don't think you can ride a year without getting pulled over, then you should probably be on a 250 anyways :nya:

[davereid]

Won't work im afraid. I just called up today because I had to reschedule my R test (clutch cable snapped in the middle of the last one :mad: ) and had a go at them using that docu you have.

Won't work. I was told "that's an outdated document and should have been pulled down". I expect in the next day or so, it will no longer be available on the NZTA website. I had a hassle with the chick on the phone, and basically the ruling is "get fucked" in regards to finishing under the old system im afraid. The only exemption they will allow is if you've already done the defensive driving course they'll knock a few months off. But you would have had to have completed the course before the 1st of October.

Basically, get a LAMS bike, stick with your 250 for another 16 months, or say fuck it and ride outside your license restrictions. Honestly, if it bothers you that much, just ride what you want. and if you don't think you can ride a year without getting pulled over, then you should probably be on a 250 anyways :nya:

NZTA are full of shit and they do this kind of stuff all the time. But the document is really clear.

A 3-year transitional period will allow for a smooth transition for novice riders who have
entered the motorcycle GDLS just prior to these provisions coming into force. This means that
they will be able to get a full licence by progressing through the current GDLS.


It doesn't effect me, but if I were you I would fight like forty bastards. I would be on the phone over, and over and over, and Id be writing to my MP as well.

In case they delete it from website heres a copy.

[Glowerss]

NZTA are full of shit and they do this kind of stuff all the time. But the document is really clear.

A 3-year transitional period will allow for a smooth transition for novice riders who have
entered the motorcycle GDLS just prior to these provisions coming into force. This means that
they will be able to get a full licence by progressing through the current GDLS.


It doesn't effect me, but if I were you I would fight like forty bastards. I would be on the phone over, and over and over, and Id be writing to my MP as well.

In case they delete it from website heres a copy.

Basically, I was told that was an old copy of the lams docu, and it has been redone since then, and that version was never meant to remain on the website. You can clearly see that doco was released in 2011 before LAMS was finalized (it makes mention to allowing L platers to go 100kph on the mway, which was last year). I dont even remember where the guy who found it the first time, found it. It isn't anywhere easily accessable on the NZTA website.

I could fight, but to be honest I doubt they'd relent in any way, and it's way more trouble then what it would be worth. When it comes to driver licensing they can fuck you up the ass all day long and there really isn't a thing you can do about it. I've found the NZTA to be completely and utterly impossible to deal with. If it bothered me that much, I'd just ride whatever the fuck I wanted and would deal with the 200$ fine if I ever got pinged.

[nzbiker86]

I was lucky that I managed to speak with someone at nzta the same day I passed my restricted end sept who happened to be very helpful. They told me to go to the nearest aa and pay the test fee so that I was registered into the system before Oct 1st and select a test day at a later stage. This didn't seem to be common knowledge with all nzta employees and even the guys in aa were questioning whether I could do this.
The other option is waiting until they set standards for the skills assessment, which should be here in 12 months time.

I understand your frustration, I didn't really take much notice of the licence changes,I was just getting excited about the bigger bikes available on lams!

[FJRider]

They also said an addition to the license label would be made ... to indicate it IS a LAM's approved motorcycle. This it seems ... will not happen ...



It is an outdated document ... stating what they thought/hoped/intended ... it would be. It was not even a promise. And has NO standing in law whatsoever ...

It was NOT as it has been introduced/written ... into legislation. Greater minds than ours decided that it was not to be.

Those older learner riders (moaning) should have got your act together ... sooner. You've had plenty of warning ...

[0li123]

Hey guys,

With some of the new laws that have been put in place I have read that you can no longer do a defensive driving course to drop the time of your restricted from 18 to 12 months, can anyone verify this for me? I have also been reading about "Competency based training and assessment course's" from what I can gather these will replace the defensive driving courses and take a more practical approach which sounds good but if this is the case can any one tell me when they will come into effect or if they already have, how I could get my self involved in such a course?

Id appreciate any help,

Cheers.

[tigertim20]

I was discussing this recently with a driving instructor I know.

He may have been wrong, but as he understood it, this is the case.

You can no longer do a defensive driving course to lessen the time between the licences.

There is an allowance in the new law that would enable people to take approved courses as an alternative route through your licence phases. He was unclear whether or not these alternative routes would actually reduce the time on any licence stage, he thought it would, but couldnt be 100% sure.

To his knowledge, there are currently NO approved courses set up, and NO approved instructors currently putting such a course together for motorcyclists.

He seemed to think ti was unlikely to happen anytime soon, due to the amount of work involved in designing, implementing and getting approval for such a course - it would cost a fair bit of time and money on an instructors part and would probably take quite a while before it was actually profitable for them.

Hope that helps for now, but if anyone has further info, i am open to being corected

[haydes55]

Hey guys,

With some of the new laws that have been put in place I have read that you can no longer do a defensive driving course to drop the time of your restricted from 18 to 12 months, can anyone verify this for me? I have also been reading about "Competency based training and assessment course's" from what I can gather these will replace the defensive driving courses and take a more practical approach which sounds good but if this is the case can any one tell me when they will come into effect or if they already have, how I could get my self involved in such a course?

Id appreciate any help,

Cheers.

Tricia1000 (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php/4684-Tricia1000) seems to be in the know with this. Last I heard if I recall correctly was you are right and the new "Competency based training and assessment course's" are in the process of being developed. So for now (unless you completed a DD course BEFORE October 1, you have to wait it out until the courses have been developed and implemented. I recall the approximate date being mid to late 2013.

I'm sure though that once you complete the course that gives you your full licence as well. So depending when you got your restricted you might be able to do the course and get your full 6 months early anyway.

[haydes55]

i am open to being corected

"I am open to being corrected."

:devil2:

[FJRider]

Tricia1000 (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php/4684-Tricia1000) seems to be in the know with this. Last I heard if I recall correctly was you are right and the new "Competency based training and assessment course's" are in the process of being developed. So for now (unless you completed a DD course BEFORE October 1, you have to wait it out until the courses have been developed and implemented. I recall the approximate date being mid to late 2013.

I'm sure though that once you complete the course that gives you your full licence as well. So depending when you got your restricted you might be able to do the course and get your full 6 months early anyway.

As I understood it ... the DD course reduction was removed October 1st. Regardless of if you completed it prior to that date. And regardless of any promises/statements previously made on the LTSA sites.

As the Competency courses are not yet fully developed/approved ... it would be unwise to predict/state the amount of reduction of restricted license time such a course would get you.

More likely ... it will merely be ... a requirement before your full license test.

[haydes55]

On the 1st October this year, there will be the introduction of the new licensing rules.

Read about it at: http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/driver-licensing-amendment-2011-qa.html
Basically 6 months on Learners, 18 months on Restrictd, regardless of age. This can be shortened to 12 months by completing a CBTA (Compulsory Basic Training Assessment), then full licence test. However, from 1st October, you will be able to ride a larger than 250 cc bike.
Plus, the Restricted licence test is going to become a whole lot harder, and will be an hour long, as opposed to the current 20 minutes.

Get on with getting your licence now, before the changes. FIND OUT WHAT TRAINING CAN DO FOR YOU...WHILST IT IS STILL YOUR OWN IDEA!!!!!!!
I am running another slow skills workshop, for males and females, this Saturday hopefully. $50 for two hours, and the rest picked up by ACC.
You need to have a class 6 licence, and your own bike.

Also available, using the ACC subsidy, is pre-test lessons, Advanced lessons, new bike familiarisation, and any other areas that you wish to cover. If you have an idea for a course, then please let me know, and I will put one together......
Tricia
0212693246
From January, but I think the reduction to 12 months is still there.

[FJRider]

From January, but I think the reduction to 12 months is still there.

Indeed ... it WAS January that was posted ... and was based on statements made on the LTSA sites.

But as yet ... NO competency test has been approved, so NO reduction in time can happen until it (the course contents) does get approved.

In principal (read legislation) the course will shorten the time ... all that is needed ... is the appropriate authority to approve a set specified course. And it will have to be one that cannot vary throughout the entire country ... by all course providers. ...

[Glowerss]

Indeed ... it WAS January that was posted ... and was based on statements made on the LTSA sites.

But as yet ... NO competency test has been approved, so NO reduction in time can happen until it (the course contents) does get approved.

In principal (read legislation) the course will shorten the time ... all that is needed ... is the appropriate authority to approve a set specified course. And it will have to be one that cannot vary throughout the entire country ... by all course providers. ...

I've already talked to the NZTA about it. IF you did your DD course BEFORE October 1st, you can apply and they will reduce your time on R from 18 to 12 months. That's only valid if the DD course was completed in full before the 1st of October.

If you haven't done the DD, then there's currently no course you can take to reduce the time on your R. There is a competancy thing coming up at some stage, but nothing concrete and not for awhile.

[rastuscat]

Irony.

We all grizzle about how easy it is to get a licence (remember all those Weetbix packet comments?) and then when it gets harder we set about trying to exploit the ways to get around the tougher process.

Good luck having that document enforced. It was an early version, and not enforceable.

Donuts.

[oneofsix]

Irony.

We all grizzle about how easy it is to get a licence (remember all those Weetbix packet comments?) and then when it gets harder we set about trying to exploit the ways to get around the tougher process.

Good luck having that document enforced. It was an early version, and not enforceable.

Donuts.

:laugh: I too had similar thoughts but really what the bitching is is being lied to and being caught between the changes. Before they could take a course to learn shit that would shorten it, in the future there will be a course to learn shit to shorten it. They were promised no one would be disadvantaged and now they discover that no matter how good they are or what courses they do they are caught in the middle by a bunch of twats.

[Drew]

I said the same thing on a thread just like this a while ago. I made the mistake of using the OP as an example with my usual tactful language and terminology.

Oh how the flaming ensued...till the op ended up agreeing with me. Weird.

[Stevee2]

At first I was a bit annoyed about the 18 month thing, but really the LAMS bikes offer a great selection and there are plenty of grunty bikes available for learners through to intermediate riders.

[GTRMAN]

I said the same thing on a thread just like this a while ago. I made the mistake of using the OP as an example with my usual tactful language and terminology.

Oh how the flaming ensued...till the op ended up agreeing with me. Weird.


How could that be? You're normally such a diplomatic and considered debater.... maybe everyone was just being a little sensitive :msn-wink:

[jimichelle]

i got my bike license when i was 15 bit of a jaunt around with a motorcycle cop following me asked a few questions and in 6mths could ride what i wanted
however i started with a small bike and over the years upgraded to a larger or smaller bike depending what type of riding i was doing
but it all comes down to one thing --experience --and in my mind getting a new bike license and rushing to get a bigger one is fraught with problems

[Drew]

How could that be? You're normally such a diplomatic and considered debater.... maybe everyone was just being a little sensitive :msn-wink:Mas pms or summat ya reckon? Seems legit:niceone: