Not caring

[ital916]

Hey People

I just wanted to know how many bikers out there have just stopped caring about what other bikers do. I find I actually don't even give the slightest about other bikers most of the time. Don't get me wrong, if I see a biker in distress, I'll stop and help out, if they're broken down or something but as far as giving a shit about how other bikers ride, what they wear or how stupid their attitude is...nope, I feel nothing.

Young bikers who don't learn from their mistakes and continue to ride in ignorance. God knows, I made a shit load of mistakes when I learnt to ride, in fact I don't know how I even made it, riding in groups which preached one thing and rode differently, or just riding with people who had their heads in another place. The thing is, I learnt from these mistakes, and I learnt the hard way and luckily I am here today. When I worked in the bike industry, I came accross so many people that had the wrong attitude, and eventually they got hurt. So, now I don't care about other bikers, I look after my own and those humble enough to learn from my wrong doings or the wrong doings of others I will spend a bit of empathy and sincere care on.

The thing that really grinds my gears is other riders playing the one up game when they see I ride a 1200, especially young pricks on lams bikes. I've come across three now. What they don't realise is, I ride the 1200 because of passengers, luggage and long distance trips, not because I want to prove anything or do wheelies and burnouts. Now that learners are able to have a 650 on the side of their bike they think they are in another class. Well that is what I have found. If I had my way, I would get rid of the graduated learning system for a get what you want, off the bat system. If you're dumb enough to get a hayabusa straight of the bat, well best of luck to you, you'll get sorted pretty quick and if you survive the process, then well maybe you'll be alright. ;)

Who else just has reached this point?

[JATZ]

Hey People

I just wanted to know how many bikers out there have just stopped caring about what other bikers do. I find I actually don't even give the slightest about other bikers most of the time. Don't get me wrong, if I see a biker in distress, I'll stop and help out, if they're broken down or something but as far as giving a shit about how other bikers ride, what they wear or how stupid their attitude is...nope, I feel nothing.

Young bikers who don't learn from their mistakes and continue to ride in ignorance. God knows, I made a shit load of mistakes when I learnt to ride, in fact I don't know how I even made it, riding in groups which preached one thing and rode differently, or just riding with people who had their heads in another place. The thing is, I learnt from these mistakes, and I learnt the hard way and luckily I am here today. When I worked in the bike industry, I came accross so many people that had the wrong attitude, and eventually they got hurt. So, now I don't care about other bikers, I look after my own and those humble enough to learn from my wrong doings or the wrong doings of others I will spend a bit of empathy and sincere care on.

The thing that really grinds my gears is other riders playing the one up game when they see I ride a 1200, especially young pricks on lams bikes. I've come across three now. What they don't realise is, I ride the 1200 because of passengers, luggage and long distance trips, not because I want to prove anything or do wheelies and burnouts. Now that learners are able to have a 650 on the side of their bike they think they are in another class. Well that is what I have found. If I had my way, I would get rid of the graduated learning system for a get what you want, off the bat system. If you're dumb enough to get a hayabusa straight of the bat, well best of luck to you, you'll get sorted pretty quick and if you survive the process, then well maybe you'll be alright.

Who else just has reached this point?

No :no: ......

[Road kill]

I don't give a rats about most people unless they owe me money.

Other bikes on the road are just different sized blurs to all the rest.

I'm not out there for anybody but me,,,I won't even see you.

Best you start walking,,,be dark soon.

[jrandom]

I just wanted to know how many bikers out there have just stopped caring about what other bikers do.

Me. In fact, I'm not sure that I ever actually started. Either way, it's very liberating.


*rant about how upsetting other motorcyclists' behaviour is*

You should give some thought to maybe just stopping caring about that.

[Katman]

If their motorcycling retardation didn't impact on my motorcycling freedom I wouldn't give a shit either.

[merv]

If we weren't able to consider someone else as the dickheads then where would it leave us better people lol :yes:

[Road kill]

If their motorcycling retardation didn't impact on my motorcycling freedom I wouldn't give a shit either.

True,,,,but having an opinion alters nothing so I ignore it all.

Might have something to do with age,,,I don't have the time to waste on the half glass.

[Katman]

Might have something to do with age,,,I don't have the time to waste on the half glass.

I'm prepared to waste the time on a half glass rather than find that one day our glass is empty.

[G4L4XY]

If I had my way, I would get rid of the graduated learning system for a get what you want, off the bat system. If you're dumb enough to get a hayabusa straight of the bat, well best of luck to you, you'll get sorted pretty quick and if you survive the process, then well maybe you'll be alright. ;)


Fair enough. Thing is more stupid young people will die and cause the rest of us grief ie more acc or public hate etc.
I'm pretty young I guess, I'm not stupid, I ride to my own skills, upgrade to a 600cc still ride within my own capabilities, yay me :first:

I see where you're coming from though, I don't really care too much either, wave out and acknowledge other riders, pullover to help out a fellow biker etc

[Road kill]

I'm prepared to waste the time on a half glass rather than find that one day our glass is empty.

It's going to happen anyway,people can't be stopped making mistakes.

So I still don't have the time to care about something that won't happen til after I'm dead anyway.

Life is very peace full round my way.

[Bass]

I care.
Not sure why. Maybe it's because of the people who helped me through my own learning process and wanting to give something back.
Partly it's because of Katman's view that the idiots reflect on all of us, financially at the moment and maybe on our overall liberties eventually.
I fully realise that I probably don't make much difference, if any at all, but the chance that I might makes it worth a bit of effort. Maybe I'm just naive but I honestly feel that not giving a shit about each other is the main reason that our society is slowly disappearing down the plughole.

[yungatart]

Fair enough. Thing is more stupid young people will die and cause the rest of us grief ie more acc or public hate etc.

Actually, i think you will find that it is not young riders who are featuring in our motorcycle fatalities.

[98tls]

I'm prepared to waste the time on a half glass rather than find that one day our glass is empty.

Respect your attitude there K but its it a bit like the "save the children threads" posted by well meaning souls still clinging to life as it was.

[SMOKEU]

I ride the 1200 because of passengers, luggage and long distance trips, not because I want to prove anything or do wheelies and burnouts.

A bike half that size would be more than sufficient for your needs then. If I had enough money I'd buy a big bike too.

[Katman]

Respect your attitude there K but its it a bit like the "save the children threads" posted by well meaning souls still clinging to life as it was.

For too long the 'temporary Kiwis' amongst us have held the limelight.

It's time for those of us who are sick and tired of being pigeon holed as irresponsible fuckwits to stand up and be noticed.

[Ocean1]

Actually, i think you will find that it is not young riders who are featuring in our motorcycle fatalities.

Pretty sure it is.

Quick look... can't find motorcycle specific data straight off, but it'll be very close to general vehicle fatalities: http://www.transport.govt.nz/research/Documents/Risk-drivers-and-their-passengers-September-2012.pdf

In other words twenty year olds twice as likely to die as 30 year olds, who are significantly more likely to die than 40 year olds, etc etc. The trend doesn't start heading up again until the 70 year olds.

It's always been the case, any novice suffers from unconscious incompetence, by the time they've been at it a few years they progress to concious incompetence. If they live long enough they eventually become unconsciously competent.

And it matters not a jot whether you care or not, you'll not change it.

[Katman]

Pretty sure it is.

Quick look... can't find motorcycle specific data straight off, but it'll be very close to general vehicle fatalities: http://www.transport.govt.nz/research/Documents/Risk-drivers-and-their-passengers-September-2012.pdf

In other words twenty year olds twice as likely to die as 30 year olds, who are significantly more likely to die than 40 year olds, etc etc. The trend doesn't start heading up again until the 70 year olds.



You didn't look very hard, did you?

http://www.transport.govt.nz/research/Documents/Motorcyclist-crash-statistics-2011-%281%29.pdf

[madandy]

The born agains are falling off more than the Learners...wonder how the stats will look in a few months now LAMS is active?

I care about the riders I come in direct contact with.

You just have to accept you cannot convert all the people to your viewpoint so just care for the ones who listen...

[Ocean1]

You didn't look very hard, did you?

http://www.transport.govt.nz/research/Documents/Motorcyclist-crash-statistics-2011-%281%29.pdf

Yes, saw that, but the graph isn't corrected for km/age or even simply licences/age. Which is, in itself enlightening.


The born agains are falling off more than the Learners...

Yes. But there's a metric shitload more of them. Per rider they're falling off less often.

[Glowerss]

Yes, saw that, but the graph isn't corrected for km/age or even simply licences/age. Which is, in itself enlightening.



Yes. But there's a metric shitload more of them. Per rider they're falling off less often.

Sadly for those of us going through the graduated system, the NZTA disagrees with you completely.

The main driving force behind "everyone must be on their R's regardless of age" part of LAMS is that people over 25 are falling over as often if not moreso then people under 25. So everyone must do 18 months on their R, no exceptions.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/motorcycles/time.html
"Why has this change been made?

The use of motorcycles has changed since the age distinction was introduced. Motorcycles are more likely to be used recreationally by older motorcyclists, rather than as a cheap form of transport for young people. As a result, the age profile of novice motorcyclists has changed, with the average age of a restricted motorcycle applicant now being 32.5 years old. Age-based distinctions in the motorcycle graduated driver licensing regime are no longer appropriate. All motorcyclists have a significantly higher level of risk of death or injury on the road than car drivers of the same age."

[madandy]

So on a per rider basis do we care more for the learners or the the 'mature' riders who are becoming temporary kiwis in greater numbers overall?

[Ocean1]

Sadly for those of us going through the graduated system, the NZTA disagrees with you completely.

I'm pretty relaxed about that mate, it puts me alongside a solid majority of my countrymen.


But as it happens, this:


Age-based distinctions in the motorcycle graduated driver licensing regime are no longer appropriate.

I agree with. You don't have to be a teenager to be a novice, and my contention issimply that novices crash more often.

Having said that I note the heavily slanted prose of the whole statement. That, and the skewed filters on what data they present. It reeks of social engineering.

[GrayWolf]

By all means but be quick about it eh summers coming and with summer comes the pinnacle of irresponsible fuckwits disguised as pinnacles of our hobby for lack of a better term ie young cunts on bikes they barely ride for 8 months of the year. Who with all the best intentions organise such events as Sunday morning rides over technically challenging bits of road, like the Rimutaka's ot Paekakariki/Battle hill, all good until around the 5th corner where wearing the one piece leathers and 'Rossi paint job helmet' the squid's turn into Carl Fogarty, no doubt you have seen the rest of it yourself,if it wasnt so sad it would actually be funny.

Fixed it for you, :yes:

and as one of those 'old fuckers' I probably have already travelled more miles than 95% of riders will ever travel in a lifetime. There are a few on here I know have equalled and some who have exceeded my distance very comfortably... I see how many bikes are on the road in Winter, and every day in any/all weather or weekends/travelling to work, or even in Martinborough on a Winter weekend. So when you young turk's can say I've ridden every day, and travelled over 750,000km's on a bike? Then have your say, till then? you are still wearing nappies as far as I am concerned!!

[jrandom]

travelled over 750,000km's on a bike

Sitting on a bike for a very long time makes you about as much of a rider as heating up thousands of microwave dinners makes you a chef.

[caspernz]

Riders come and riders go. Personally I don't care how or what you ride, just don't give me any grief and we'll be fine.

The concept of circle of concern and circle of influence comes to mind. I've got naff all influence over the squid I don't know, who chooses to outride his abilities until he's in a wheelchair, simply because he didn't wanna learn by someone elses mistakes... So I just try to be safe myself and not be a squid to someone who wants to ride slower than me, as in the end the only direct influence I've got is on my own riding...:yes:

[Berries]

and as one of those 'old fuckers' I probably have already travelled more miles than 95% of riders will ever travel in a lifetime. There are a few on here I know have equalled and some who have exceeded my distance very comfortably... I see how many bikes are on the road in Winter, and every day in any/all weather or weekends/travelling to work, or even in Martinborough on a Winter weekend. So when you young turk's can say I've ridden every day, and travelled over 750,000km's on a bike? Then have your say, till then? you are still wearing nappies as far as I am concerned!!
I wasn't sure whether I cared enough to post in this thread or not but that kind of made my mind up for me. You should get a medal and perhaps a street named after you.

[GrayWolf]

Sitting on a bike for a very long time makes you about as much of a rider as heating up thousands of microwave dinners makes you a chef.

very true, however never riding in all weathers and conditions, would make you at the very best a 'microwave' rider (to use your own analogy), So even if I dont rate myself as a 'Chef' rider, I think I'd qualify as a 'Cook'.

Have a nice day :scooter:

[GrayWolf]

I wasn't sure whether I cared enough to post in this thread or not but that kind of made my mind up for me. You should get a medal and perhaps a street named after you.

No thanks, but I could put on a 1 piece leather, Rossi paint job helmet; and become a 'legend' like many others!! :girlfight:

[SPman]

If you want carnage, make it compulsory for everyone to ride a m/cycle for a year before they are allowed to go for a car license........

Do I care.........not much these days.......:oi-grr:

[98tls]

Fixed it for you, :yes:

and as one of those 'old fuckers' I probably have already travelled more miles than 95% of riders will ever travel in a lifetime. There are a few on here I know have equalled and some who have exceeded my distance very comfortably... I see how many bikes are on the road in Winter, and every day in any/all weather or weekends/travelling to work, or even in Martinborough on a Winter weekend. So when you young turk's can say I've ridden every day, and travelled over 750,000km's on a bike? Then have your say, till then? you are still wearing nappies as far as I am concerned!!

Believe me i am far from a "young turk",wouldnt mind doing it all again though.

[Phantom Limb]

I think too many learner riders are progressing through the novice system without spending enough time in the saddle. I know a fair few younger guys who've jumped on two wheels recently, and their bikes are just sitting in the garage because they've too many excuses to not go riding.
It would be excellent if there was a way to ensure that each learner rider completed a prerequisite number of kilometers before taking the next stage.
By the time these guys / gals get to 'big bike' stage, they're still not confident on a motorcycle! So the system of time elapsed and piss easy tests is just not working.

[arcane12]

I think too many learner riders are progressing through the novice system without spending enough time in the saddle. I know a fair few younger guys who've jumped on two wheels recently, and their bikes are just sitting in the garage because they've too many excuses to not go riding.
It would be excellent if there was a way to ensure that each learner rider completed a prerequisite number of kilometers before taking the next stage.
By the time these guys / gals get to 'big bike' stage, they're still not confident on a motorcycle! So the system of time elapsed and piss easy tests is just not working.

Yes! That's my gripe (a bit self serving as I am on my restricted, and commuting to work). I could just go out on the occasional weekend ride on a cheap little 250, wait out my time to get my full and get myself killed on a nice big bike. I guess my biggest disappointment is as the new system was coming out they said one thing, and then at the last minute shifted the goalposts.

In regard to the crash statistics, my first thought is "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." Though when creating a report like that it must be difficult to choose what data to include, and still make the report concise. I love the little squiggle for loss of control turning right! :lol:

Loss of control is an interesting category, I wonder if they differenitated (or even were able to) between rider error and pure accident. Which would be hard especially as where do you draw the line between not driving defensively enough and just pure bad luck?

On the lighter side - I guess I will stay on my restricted for evar! Much safer, as long as I stay on an under 750. But once I turn 40 I guess I hang up the towel as it becomes 3x more likely to crash? :clap:

[Banditbandit]

Riders come and riders go. Personally I don't care how or what you ride, just don't give me any grief and we'll be fine.



Wot he said - that's about it ...

Dickheads on small bikes I leave behind as quickly as possible - speed freaks on sports bikes I let disappear over the horizon ..

[ital916]

Followed a person on a 1000 monster the other day, he/she was scared to death of leaning it over. Came to a crawl turning at an intersection and would go wide on slight bends on the motorway. Almost sideswiped a car in the lane next to them. I had a chuckle, it was funny. Funny, riding a liter bike without the skill or competence to even maneuver it. Seeing as they were coming from treads, it might be the case of having new tires, but having new tires doesn't stop someone from riding the thing, it isn't going to explode if you lean it over. I had my laugh and overtook. Out of sight, out of mind.

[ducatilover]

it was funny.

I don't get the punch line.

You bunch of wimmin' worry and moan far too much, hitch yer britches up and go for a bloody ride.

If motorcycling became illegal, I'd simply leave and take my bikes with me.

[f2dz]

Who else just has reached this point?

I used to care, but now I don't. If people wanna ride like idiots, that's their prerogative. Just so long as they don't crash into me and kill me, or kill anyone else, that's fine.

If they crash and kill themselves, meh. Their fault.

As for the current system, there's no way they should remove the cc restrictions and let anyone ride anything. You'd have even more crazy idiots out there.

[Big Dave]

Love the lovers and ignore the haters.

[GrayWolf]

I think too many learner riders are progressing through the novice system without spending enough time in the saddle. I know a fair few younger guys who've jumped on two wheels recently, and their bikes are just sitting in the garage because they've too many excuses to not go riding.
It would be excellent if there was a way to ensure that each learner rider completed a prerequisite number of kilometers before taking the next stage.
By the time these guys / gals get to 'big bike' stage, they're still not confident on a motorcycle! So the system of time elapsed and piss easy tests is just not working.

Careful there Phantom, you'll be getting told you're a legend?, and you need a street or building named after you!! :bleh::bleh:

[wingnutt]

I ride a 1200 tourer, and have never had a problem with youngsters on any bike, I found them courteous and I've never
ever had the situation, where Ive cursed.

I have on accassion, thought the way they are riding, like bad lines etc, concerns me because motorcycling is a great leveler, and sooner or later it can bite you on the butt.

I care about other riders on the road as you should, because you have a responsabilty to other road users as well as yourself.

[Fatt Max]

I find that other bikers dont like me cos I is fat....

[rastuscat]

Sitting on a bike for a very long time makes you about as much of a rider as heating up thousands of microwave dinners makes you a chef.

I could hug you for this comment. It is soooooo fecking true.

I followed a very experienced rider recently on the Akaroa Road. He didn't break any laws, he didn't fall off, so as far as he is concerned, he's a great rider. He braked in totally unnecessary places, took crap lines in corners, and used his gears like a total numpty. He's bloody hopeless, IMHO.

Experience counts for something most times, but not always. Potentially it only means you've had plenty of time to develop bad riding.

[duckonin]

Actually, i think you will find that it is not young riders who are featuring in our motorcycle fatalities.

I would be inclined to use the word 'yet' after your word of "fatalities".

[jrandom]

I could hug you for this comment.

OMG really?

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[Richard Mc F]

I am awsome................don't care much for others:devil2: