Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde [Archive]

skelstar

10th August 2005, 09:10

Beemer

10th August 2005, 09:17

I don't know about riding it faster than I would drive a car, but I have more fun on the bike. When I see a row of cars, instead of thinking "bugger", I think "playtime!"

I think the fact that a bike is so flickable through corners and past cars is a real buzz and I do tend to want to overtake things just because I can!

And winding on the throttle is quite exciting because the bike instantly responds. I can't speak so much for riding in groups because I tend to do most of my riding alone (the advantage of working from home and being able to head off for a ride whenever I like!), but I have noticed most riders in groups do go a bit faster than the speed limit.

Perhaps the conservative factor kicks in with a car because you don't have the same margin for error because of its size - if you plant your boot and come around a corner to find a traffic jam, it's not like you can filter up the middle! And people do tend to notice when a car is going fast and comment on it - with a bike, most of them think they are caning it even when the rider is keeping to the speed limit so it's a bit more subjective.

bugjuice

10th August 2005, 09:18

good point, and was thinking about this earlier..
I am guilty. I do ride faster than I drive. My bike is way faster than my car. My car is auto so slower anyway. My bike stops faster than the car (altho no excuse). My bike handles better than the car and is smaller, so I find more 'manageable' on the road as there's less of it. My bike out-accelerates a lot of other vehicles, so I can get away from danger better. I can't get my knee down in the car. The car doesn't wheelie as well. Bike speed seems to have a different perception than car speed. Bikes can scrub off speed quicker. Just some points that come to mind. Don't know why I do, but I do.
In fact, I feel more guilty about doing 130 in the car and generally don't go above 110, where as on the bike, 110+ isn't much of an issue.. strange but truuuuuuuuuue

Pancakes

10th August 2005, 09:22

I ride a gn250 so it's not the performance! I have ridden proper bikes (without motors) extensively too and I love ripping out on 2 wheels. I recon it's cos you have so many more options for getting out of trouble and can take any one of them so mach faster that you'll try things that would have been not so safe in a car. To put things in perspective, how fast would you drive if you had 3 lanes to yourself? See ya speed limit.

skelstar

10th August 2005, 09:28

...I recon it's cos you have so many more options for getting out of trouble and can take any one of them so mach faster that you'll try things that would have been not so safe in a car...To put things in perspective, how fast would you drive if you had 3 lanes to yourself? See ya speed limit.
Your are right about your first point, but I dont think thats the rationality behind doing it. I dont think 'damn this is thrilling because I can get out of trouble a lot easier than in a car!'.
If I found that I was on a motorway with three empty lanes I would be wondering if I wasnt in Central Otago and not Wellington. But seriously, I dont drive faster than 110km/h anymore. I thought I had grown up and just didnt need to speed anymore. I was clearly wrong.

Lou Girardin

10th August 2005, 09:38

I travel faster on the bike, but generally not MUCH faster. It just that there's more opportunities on the bike.

Keystone19

10th August 2005, 09:43

Yep, I'd agree with all the ideas posted previously. I am finding that I am riding way faster than I would drive but on the other hand, am also finding I am driving a bit faster now too...

I Don't think it's an age thing by the way... :whistle:

I thought I'd grown up too, then I bought a bike... :devil2:

pyrocam

10th August 2005, 09:49

youve driven a car?

vifferman

10th August 2005, 09:51

Dunno.

I think it depends more on the road and conditions at the time, than whether I'm on the bike or in the car. I'll speed if I feel like it, and if circumstances allow, regardless (but generally don't, of course.) There's other things too, like if I'm driving the 205GTi, it's a bit of a hooligan, and is continually saying, "Go faster, go faster!!" so it's hard to ignore that, as it's so insistent. And if I ride the bike with the spud out of the Satantune, the same thing happens.
There are some roads that you just have to go fast on too, like the western side of the road over the Kaimais; if I'm going up there in/on anything, it's "warp speed 9, Cap'n!". And there are roads that it should be mandatory to drive fast on, because they're so friggin straight, safe and boring, like the Canterbury Plains, the roads through the MacKenzie country, the Hauraki Plains, the Southern motorway, parts of the Desert Road (esp. in summer).

justsomeguy

10th August 2005, 09:57

Naaa - not me I'm just a useless rider. I can easily drive wayyyyy faster than I can ride. Cars allow you to have much higher corner speeds taking a 25/35 corner at 100 is a LOT easier in a car than a bike - to me at least.

Smorg

10th August 2005, 10:21

Oakie

10th August 2005, 10:50

I have been riding for about a month now and am getting more and more confident on my bike. I notice now that I am riding more aggresively on my bike than I ever have in my car (in the last ten years anyway). I went for my first 'organised ride with other motorcyclists' last Sunday and observed that all (besides myself) were travelling WELL above the speed limit. So this begs the question(s):

Do you ride your bike far faster than you would a car?

Why is this the case? Surely its not soley the extra performance?

My father has owned several 'fast cars' (at least 150kW+) and I have had the pleasure of driving the often. I can categorically say that I initially enjoy the thrill of planting my boot and giving the car a 'bit of welly', but I end up driving it fairly conservatively. This is clearly not the case when it comes to riding my bike.

Anyone care to comment?

Two points
1) In an organised ride I guess there can be a bit of a 'herd mentality' so those who want to stick together will naturally go at the speed of rider going the fastest in the group.
2) Dammit, riding a bike is just more fun. Going somewhere in a car is just about the destination ... going on a bike is about the journey. Hellishly hard even on my daily commute not to wind the throttle open much more than I need to just to pass a slow car on the road that curves along beside the Avon River.

skelstar

10th August 2005, 11:00

Yeah, I think you are right about the herd mentality. I would have to say that whilst I was travelling at 95km/h (learner and running bike in sorta) with a 'tailend charlie' behind me, as soon as TE-charles passed me for a bit of a rattle I was running along at 110km/h. Nice straight peice of road bypassing Masterton.

When I was young driving my car was a very pleasurable experience and it was more than a journey, but yeah I do REALLY look forward to riding my bike now. I sit at home at night wondering which relatives I havent 'popped in on' in the last couple of days :).

FEINT

10th August 2005, 11:01

I definitely ride faster than I drive. Probably because you can fit anywhere. 120km/hr down the motorway is possible, where as in a car, you would have gotten held up by the nanny in the right lane.

I don't think my bike stops as quickly as my previous car (don't have a car anymore, sold the car for the ZX6! :motu:)

zadok

10th August 2005, 11:04

I agree with you Oakie. In a group you don't like to think you're being left behind, although in reality you wouldn't/shouldn't be.
Riding is not just about getting from point A to point B, unlike the feeling when I get in a car.

Pixie

10th August 2005, 11:27

An interesting thing I observed over several trips to Napier from AK in the car and bike was that to achieve the same average speed the car had to be driven much more aggressively and hit higher peak speeds than the bike.
The bike trips were more relaxing and less likely to draw the attention of cops.
Of couse, if you go apeshit.....

justsomeguy

10th August 2005, 20:32

WTF???!!
Go and wash your mouth out. Mate if you cant ride round a 30k corner on your bike quicker than a car I think its time you reconsidered your options here. You cant be a fence sitter, you're either a boy racer or your ride bikes, not both.
And whats with all this missing out on rides to go with your gay car club cruises?
Something not right here. Dont get me wrong, you are a good bloke JSG, but cars faster than your bike round corners.. sheesh. If your name was Sebastian Loeb I would say yeah no worries... but it aint.

Well I'm no where as good a rider as you are. I've been riding regularly for about 7 months now and I ride a slow ZZR250. I've been driving for 3 years regularly and about 4-5 years in all - so yeah I can drive faster than I can ride.

Maybe by the time I get my full license I will be able to ride my bike faster than I can drive.

I've only missed one KB ride to go for a club drive. By the way I'm one of the youngest people on my club drives most of them are easily twice my age and all have some amount of motorsport experience. Our Auckland club co-ordinator is a veteran of over 30 rallies as a driver or navigator and used to work as a driver transporting the press for the NZ WRC from stage to stage.

A lot of them can do 47-49 around Taupo in pretty standard MR2's. You will only find us once a month out somewhere in the hills and you'd never catch us doing laps of Queen St. I'm not a boy racer in the way the media depicts them - I hate those stupid donut making, drag racing fools, who mess up their cars with stupid mods.

I love both cars and bikes mate and I'm not making no apologies for this.

WINJA

10th August 2005, 20:50

I DRIVE VERY SLOW IN A CAR BUT ON A BIKE I FEEL AT HOME, IVE DONE AN INDICATED 300KMH IN THE RAIN AND IT FELT OK . CARS ARE SHIT , TO ME A CAR IS A BOX ON WHEELS

justsomeguy

10th August 2005, 20:52

I DRIVE VERY SLOW IN A CAR BUT ON A BIKE I FEEL AT HOME, IVE DONE AN INDICATED 300KMH IN THE RAIN AND IT FELT OK . CARS ARE SHIT , TO ME A CAR IS A BOX ON WHEELS

Really? What's the best car you've driven down a lonely, twisty country road??

WINJA

10th August 2005, 20:57

Really? What's the best car you've driven down a lonely, twisty country road??
IVE OWNED A GTX 1.8 TURBO FAMILIA, CELICA TURBO, AND BEST OF ALL RX3 COUPE WITH WORKED RX7 MOTOR AND BOX, BUT THEY ARE ALL SHIT , THE YEAR I OWNED MY GTX I ALSO HAD A NEW BLADE,I DID ABOUT 30,000 KM ON THE BLADE THAT YEAR AND ABOUT 1000KM OR LESS IN THE CAR MOST OF THOSE CAR KM WERE THRU SCENIC DRIVE , BIG YAWN GIMME A BIKE

mikey

10th August 2005, 20:59

my car previous to riding a bike was a R32 skyline, slightly modded, no stupidly modded acutally, running far to much boost,

i would say that i drove a lot looser, (something to do with having music going?) drivn in the rain? FUCK YEAH, car would drift when i wasnt even trying, but on the whole i wouldn say i drove faster, my faster is a reference to time not what speeds you got to. the bike might top out a bit before the skyline would, but on the whole measuring how quick i can get from wellington city to lake ferry, , the bike has it.

go the bike.

but fuck was the skyline fun.
if i had the choice i would go R32 godzilla rather than a new litre sports bike.

justsomeguy

10th August 2005, 21:01

IVE OWNED A GTX 1.8 TURBO FAMILIA, CELICA TURBO, AND BEST OF ALL RX3 COUPE WITH WORKED RX7 MOTOR AND BOX, BUT THEY ARE ALL SHIT , THE YEAR I OWNED MY GTX I ALSO HAD A NEW BLADE,I DID ABOUT 30,000 KM ON THE BLADE THAT YEAR AND ABOUT 1000KM OR LESS IN THE CAR MOST OF THOSE CAR KM WERE THRU SCENIC DRIVE , BIG YAWN GIMME A BIKE

Hehehehe - you're one of those fellows used to a thou - so I guess you'd need a top shelf ferrari or one of those Top Secret tuned cars to even feel awake.......

A simple SV650 will leave a Ferrari behind in a straight line...can't imagine what your gixxers do.. can't wait till I become a fast rider.:ride:

justsomeguy

10th August 2005, 21:05

but fuck was the skyline fun.
if i had the choice i would go R32 godzilla rather than a new litre sports bike.

I'd still take a bike - but if it was a car - it'd be a AW11 Toyota MR2 with a 3SGTE with a bigger turbo and a supercharger with the required strengtened running gear. That should be able to keep up with a modern 600 on most roads given a rider and driver of equal ability.

forty two

10th August 2005, 21:06

I would have to say that with riding it's something about being out in the elements, being rain sun whatever but not "shelted" within the confines of a cage. The wind in your face, sounds and smells from the country, or the suburbs at dinner time. Speed has been known to increase slightly at certain times during a ride but it's the freedom, non-security blanket, by yourself, concentration, ah, everyone has their reasons. :ride:
There is a place and time obviously for cage driving but it tends to be a mode of transport rather than a experience. :no:

justsomeguy

10th August 2005, 21:08

WINJA

10th August 2005, 21:13

Hehehehe - you're one of those fellows used to a thou - so I guess you'd need a top shelf ferrari or one of those Top Secret tuned cars to even feel awake.......

A simple SV650 will leave a Ferrari behind in a straight line...can't imagine what your gixxers do.. can't wait till I become a fast rider.:ride:
MY MATE USED TO OWN THE FAIRLANE CALLED "LIFE IN THE FAST LANE" 429 COBRA JET WITH SUPERCHARGER , I COULDNT FEEL IT ACCELRATE CAUSE IVE BEEN DESENSITIZED BY THE BIKE , THINK ABOUT IT APU , ON MY WAY HOME I HIT 300 IN A FEW PLACES AND DROP ABOUT 50 OR 60 TEN SECOND QUARTER MILES LEAVING SOME CORNERS ,AND THATS JUST GETTING A BOTTLE OF MILK, YEAH EVERYTHING ELSE FEELS SLOW.

justsomeguy

10th August 2005, 21:20

MY MATE USED TO OWN THE FAIRLANE CALLED "LIFE IN THE FAST LANE" 429 COBRA JET WITH SUPERCHARGER , I COULDNT FEEL IT ACCELRATE CAUSE IVE BEEN DESENSITIZED BY THE BIKE , THINK ABOUT IT APU , ON MY WAY HOME I HIT 300 IN A FEW PLACES AND DROP ABOUT 50 OR 60 TEN SECOND QUARTER MILES LEAVING SOME CORNERS ,AND THATS JUST GETTING A BOTTLE OF MILK, YEAH EVERYTHING ELSE FEELS SLOW.

Know what you mean - but we're talking about apples and oranges - the delivery of g-forces, feeling the harness straining against your chest, one hand on the wheel the other on the gear lever, feet busy heel and toeing, your head being pushed into the seat as you floor it, praying that you don't need to use the roll cage and feeling the front end go light and back end go light on a bike, getting your knee down and having your head about a meter from the road are all different sensations and both are given the time and place equally enjoyable.

NhuanH

10th August 2005, 21:25

...the delivery of g-strings, feeling the harness straining against your chest, one hand on the wheel the other on the knob, feet busy heel and toeing, your head being pushed into the lap...feeling the front end go light and his back end...and having your head about a meter from his XXXX are all different sensations and both are given the time and place equally enjoyable.
sheeite, I thought this was bikes vs. cages??

WINJA

10th August 2005, 21:29

Know what you mean - but we're talking about apples and oranges - the delivery of g-forces, feeling the harness straining against your chest, one hand on the wheel the other on the gear lever, feet busy heel and toeing, your head being pushed into the seat as you floor it, praying that you don't need to use the roll cage and feeling the front end go light and back end go light on a bike, getting your knee down and having your head about a meter from the road are all different sensations and both are given the time and place equally enjoyable.
YOU SOUND LIKE SOMEONE WHO DOESNT DO STOPIES AT 150 KMH GOING INTO A CORNER OR SLIDES THE REAR AT 150KMH COMING OUT , YOU MIGHT NEED TO COME FOR A DOUBLE BITCH, HAVE YOU EVER GONE INTO A CORNER SO HOT JUST TO LET THE FRONT SCRUB OFF THE SPEED WITHOUT TOUCHING THE BRAKES SO THE GOEMETRY STAYS THE SAME AND THE BIKE GOES PERFECTLY ROUND THE CORNER WHILE THE GUY BEHIND YOU CRASHES CAUSE HE WAS WAITING FOR YOUR BRAKE LIGHT, BET YA DONT , I PRACTICED HARD RIDING ON MY 250 SO NO EXCUSES GO EXCITE YOURSELF,
CARS SUCK UNLESS THEIR A VAN TO PICK UP THE CRASHED BIKE

justsomeguy

10th August 2005, 21:37

YOU SOUND LIKE SOMEONE WHO DOESNT DO STOPIES AT 150 KMH GOING INTO A CORNER OR SLIDES THE REAR AT 150KMH COMING OUT , YOU MIGHT NEED TO COME FOR A DOUBLE BITCH, HAVE YOU EVER GONE INTO A CORNER SO HOT JUST TO LET THE FRONT SCRUB OFF THE SPEED WITHOUT TOUCHING THE BRAKES SO THE GOEMETRY STAYS THE SAME AND THE BIKE GOES PERFECTLY ROUND THE CORNER WHILE THE GUY BEHIND YOU CRASHES CAUSE HE WAS WAITING FOR YOUR BRAKE LIGHT, BET YA DONT , I PRACTICED HARD RIDING ON MY 250 SO NO EXCUSES GO EXCITE YOURSELF,
CARS SUCK UNLESS THEIR A VAN TO PICK UP THE CRASHED BIKE

Nope sorry :no: ........ I'm a useless slow rider despite having 7 months weekend country riding experience.... and my bike doesn't like it above 140 anyway.....Need some more practice.

justsomeguy

10th August 2005, 21:39

sheeite, I thought this was bikes vs. cages??

Stop editing my posts you crazy cockroach.

You want a bike vs cage thread do a search and find some.

It's great if you can have your cake and eat it too...... instead of either having to stare at a slice or an empty plate.:motu:

WINJA

10th August 2005, 21:41

Nope sorry :no: ........ I'm a useless slow rider despite having 7 months weekend country riding experience.... and my bike doesn't like it above 140 anyway.....Need some more practice.
BACKS UP WHAT I ALWAYS SAY "THOSE WHO CANT RIDE DRIVE"

justsomeguy

10th August 2005, 21:43

BACKS UP WHAT I ALWAYS SAY "THOSE WHO CANT RIDE DRIVE"

How long you been riding grandpa??

Give me 2 years and I'll see you at a trackday.

NhuanH

10th August 2005, 21:43

Stop editing my posts you crazy cockroach.

You want a bike vs cage thread do a search and find some.
me a cock-a-roach? Joo bin watching Scarface again eh Chico? Where's my damn chainsaw homes?

WINJA

10th August 2005, 21:45

How long you been riding grandpa??

Give me 2 years and I'll see you at a trackday.
NO PLEASE BE SERIOUS , YOUD NEED MORE THAN 2 YEARS

NhuanH

10th August 2005, 21:46

How long you been riding arsewipe??

Give me 2 years and I'll see you at a trackday.
I'm starting the book on WINJA vs. jsg....

Anyone wanna give starting odds?

PS. Who's editing posts now??

justsomeguy

10th August 2005, 21:47

me a cock-a-roach? Joo bin watching Scarface again eh Chico? Where's my damn chainsaw homes?

Why don't you try stickin' jou head up jour ass -- see if it fits

justsomeguy

10th August 2005, 21:49

NO PLEASE BE SERIOUS , YOUD NEED MORE THAN 2 YEARS

Whatever! If ain't riding fast by then I'll probably be in a wheelchair.

And Nhuan wishes I call you an arsewipe........ so you arsewipe:motu:

justsomeguy

10th August 2005, 21:50

I'm starting the book on WINJA vs. jsg....

Anyone wanna give starting odds?

PS. Who's editing posts now??

Don't trust this wussy he'll steal the money and run away

NhuanH

10th August 2005, 21:55

Don't trust this wussy he'll steal the money and run away

To borrow off a famous character:

..."I chust got 2 things in this world, my word, and-a my balls. And I ain't gonna go breakin dem for nobody"

WINJA

10th August 2005, 22:17

Don't trust this wussy he'll steal the money and run away
I WONT , SOMEONE ON THIS SITE SAID "NEVER TRUST SOMEONE WHO YOU CAN BLINDFOLD WITH A SHOELACE"

SixPackBack

10th August 2005, 22:26

[QUOTE=justsomeguy]Whatever! If ain't riding fast by then I'll probably be in a wheelchair.

You don't adjust your attitude you certainly will...... :no:

WINJA

10th August 2005, 22:29

[QUOTE=justsomeguy]Whatever! If ain't riding fast by then I'll probably be in a wheelchair.

You don't adjust your attitude you certainly will...... :no:
I THINK ITS A BAD ATTITUDE , PERSONALLY ID RATHER BE SLOW

SixPackBack

10th August 2005, 22:43

[QUOTE=sixpackback]
I THINK ITS A BAD ATTITUDE , PERSONALLY ID RATHER BE SLOW

It is, i have great city skills, but prolly look a bit wobbly at times. But more importantly i have not fallen or had an accident in nine years.
.JSG.......very few of us will match WT or the like, who cares, enjoy and have realistic expectation's, be honest about your skill levels.

justsomeguy

10th August 2005, 23:15

I WONT , SOMEONE ON THIS SITE SAID "NEVER TRUST SOMEONE WHO YOU CAN BLINDFOLD WITH A SHOELACE"

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justsomeguy

10th August 2005, 23:22

[QUOTE=WINJA]

It is, i have great city skills, but prolly look a bit wobbly at times. But more importantly i have not fallen or had an accident in nine years.
.JSG.......very few of us will match WT or the like, who cares, enjoy and have realistic expectation's, be honest about your skill levels.

I know what you mean. I've always had the need for speed. Don't care how good WT is or TS is or MR is compared to me - I have full respect for them.

I'm only interested in improving my performance. I've got quite a few plans for my idiotic self.

Lets see how they go.

EDIT : Just read my post again and thought I'd elaborate. I'm a big self improvement junkie - so I always want to try and improve my performance in every field - so what I'm saying is I hope in 2 years I'm a lot faster than I am now.

I know WT/MR/TS are :not: and that's great. Especially TS who's been riding for hardly any time at all. I am not comparing myself to them. I only care about beating my last personal best.

Keystone19

11th August 2005, 09:18

[QUOTE=sixpackback]

I know what you mean. I've always had the need for speed. Don't care how good WT is or TS is or MR is compared to me - I have full respect for them.

I'm only interested in improving my performance. I've got quite a few plans for my idiotic self.

Lets see how they go.

EDIT : Just read my post again and thought I'd elaborate. I'm a big self improvement junkie - so I always want to try and improve my performance in every field - so what I'm saying is I hope in 2 years I'm a lot faster than I am now.

I know WT/MR/TS are :not: and that's great. Especially TS who's been riding for hardly any time at all. I am not comparing myself to them. I only care about beating my last personal best.

JSG, speed is not everything...

justsomeguy

11th August 2005, 09:25

[QUOTE=justsomeguy]

JSG, speed is not everything...

To each their own.

2_SL0

12th August 2005, 12:40

Im sorry, but I always classed a MR 2 as a hairdressers car. Park them up next to the MX 5. But what I find really funny (soz I do find MR 2 owners funny) is the fact you claim to be able to corner a 25-35kmh corner at 100kmh in a car. Obviously this must come from your 3-4 yrs of extensive driving. The only person I know of capable of such a feat was AUTOMAN.
Automan http://www.chuckwagner.com/automan.html
So JSG must be Automan.
Or he is FOS.

Personally Im going with Automan.

forty two

12th August 2005, 17:46

I only care about beating my last personal best.
:no: This can only end one way! Just enjoy the ride and the moment. Dont treat each ride as a race to beat a last ride time :nono: Learning to ride takes time, so take that time and learn slow and steady, not fast and furious (can see a movie in that!) You'll get to the same point eventually. Just one way is more guaranteed.