The Hutchinson Effect

[cave weta]

This guy is amazing! levitation- morphing of atomic structure....

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[Matt Bleck]

This guy is amazing! levitation- morphing of atomic structure....



This is the same sorta thing Tesla was doing over hundred years ago, very cool!

[Akzle]

look into the coral castles, missing secrets of nikola tesla, engine that runs on water, free energy devices....

all this stuff is out there, has been for days. inventors often go missing or get locked in jail (as with water engine guy)

[jonbuoy]

Drugs are bad mmmkay.

[superman]

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[Kickaha]

look into the coral castles, missing secrets of nikola tesla, engine that runs on water, free energy devices....

all this stuff is out there, has been for days. inventors often go missing or get locked in jail (as with water engine guy)
You mean all that shit that's been out there for decades and been shown to be bullshit time and time again?

[mashman]

You mean all that shit that's been out there for decades and been shown to be bullshit time and time again?

It's ok. I don't understand it either.

[jonbuoy]

look into the coral castles, missing secrets of nikola tesla, engine that runs on water, free energy devices....

all this stuff is out there, has been for days. inventors often go missing or get locked in jail (as with water engine guy)

You can run a car on water - split the hydrogen and oxygen into gasses using electrolysis and burn them. Its 100% clean The only by-product is water. The only issue is it takes a lot of energy to split the hydrogen and oxygen, electrical energy, which comes from?

[mashman]

You can run a car on water - split the hydrogen and oxygen into gasses using electrolysis and burn them. Its 100% clean The only by-product is water. The only issue is it takes a lot of energy to split the hydrogen and oxygen, electrical energy, which comes from?

How much energy? Would the alternator produce enough energy? Have a small start up tank for the car start. At the lights redirect the excess hydrogen to the start up tank. I used a PC Power supply and generate hydrogen using square bolt washers, cable ties and bicarbonate of soda in the water. Pretty cool watchin the hydrogen rise out of the container. There's a guy in the US, was on the internetz, who had a tank in the back of his car to store the hydrogen. He also had a dial in his car for changing the timing and also ran it on citrus juice (wish I could find the vid). He was using a 5hp lawn mower engine to clean water and explained how useful such a device would be in the likes of Africa for cleaning water. Lots of smart shit out there but I guess no one's interested because it's not financially viable.

[cc rider]

Lots of smart shit out there but I guess no one's interested because it's not financially viable.Too true mash. Though I feel the likes of the internet is making it harder too suppress/discredit vox populi.

Cool clips weta :) I love this sort of stuff

[jonbuoy]

How much energy? Would the alternator produce enough energy? Have a small start up tank for the car start. At the lights redirect the excess hydrogen to the start up tank. I used a PC Power supply and generate hydrogen using square bolt washers, cable ties and bicarbonate of soda in the water. Pretty cool watchin the hydrogen rise out of the container. There's a guy in the US, was on the internetz, who had a tank in the back of his car to store the hydrogen. He also had a dial in his car for changing the timing and also ran it on citrus juice (wish I could find the vid). He was using a 5hp lawn mower engine to clean water and explained how useful such a device would be in the likes of Africa for cleaning water. Lots of smart shit out there but I guess no one's interested because it's not financially viable.

About as much energy as you put in minus a few losses, its just a conversion/storage medium - like a battery only slower to charge. You don´t get something for nothing. If you believe the guy in the video then you probably think this guy is the new messiah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kne6YnjcruQ.

I thought the Hutchinson effect involved asphyxiation or was that the Hutchence effect?

[Drew]

About as much energy as you put in minus a few losses, its just a conversion/storage medium - like a battery only slower to charge. You don´t get something for nothing. If you believe the guy in the video then you probably think this guy is the new messiah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kne6YnjcruQ.

I thought the Hutchinson effect involved asphyxiation or was that the Hutchence effect?

"If you believe that"... My first thoughts exactly.

[Akzle]

You mean all that shit that's been out there for decades and been shown to be bullshit time and time again?
funny. i missed where they proved it bullshit. you seem a fairly enlightened sort. please, share your bullshittery...


You can run a car on water - split the hydrogen and oxygen into gasses using electrolysis and burn them. Its 100% clean The only by-product is water. The only issue is it takes a lot of energy to split the hydrogen and oxygen, electrical energy, which comes from?
nono. this was some kind of combustion engine. it had cylinders if i recall. look up on youtube. ("inventor jailed, engine runs on water")(also, various anti-gravity vids dating back even to 80s, teh theory is that they cause the atoms to vibrate at a frequency counter to the frequency they naturally vibrate at, which overcomes their "percieved" density and makes them immune to gravity.)


You don´t get something for nothing.
yeah. but there is no nothing to not get something from.
solar power eh? charged electrons and what nut.
the vibes of the universe, residual magnetic energy of teh planet., gravity and shit.
just because "society" hasn't harnessed it, doesn't mean it can't be.
look up tesla's patents for "radiant energy receiver" (free energy device) then go build one (probably somewhere away from people, tis a bit like a lightening rod...and teh government might come around and assassinate you.)
unless, you know more than tesla?

[Kickaha]

funny. i missed where they proved it bullshit. you seem a fairly enlightened sort. please, share your bullshittery...
So you missed the bit where the water car guy was succesfully sued by his investors because he couldn't prove it worked?

[jonbuoy]

funny. i missed where they proved it bullshit. you seem a fairly enlightened sort. please, share your bullshittery...


nono. this was some kind of combustion engine. it had cylinders if i recall. look up on youtube. ("inventor jailed, engine runs on water")(also, various anti-gravity vids dating back even to 80s, teh theory is that they cause the atoms to vibrate at a frequency counter to the frequency they naturally vibrate at, which overcomes their "percieved" density and makes them immune to gravity.)


yeah. but there is no nothing to not get something from.
solar power eh? charged electrons and what nut.
the vibes of the universe, residual magnetic energy of teh planet., gravity and shit.
just because "society" hasn't harnessed it, doesn't mean it can't be.
look up tesla's patents for "radiant energy receiver" (free energy device) then go build one (probably somewhere away from people, tis a bit like a lightening rod...and teh government might come around and assassinate you.)
unless, you know more than tesla?


Tesla was a mad genius but things have move on since his time, I don't know more than tesla but your average rf engineer would know more than him now. He came out with some pretty wacky stuff.

Combusting water? Do you mean cold fusion?

[Akzle]

So you missed the bit where the water car guy was succesfully sued by his investors because he couldn't prove it worked?
yeah. i did miss that. i don't think i mentioned a water car...

Tesla...your average rf engineer would know more than him now. He came out with some pretty wacky stuff.

Combusting water? Do you mean cold fusion?

he invented electricity. how wacky. (leave it)
cold fusion. how lol.

no. just youtube it. FFS
youtube search: engine runs on water inventor jailed
= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbB7z9gQ_yQ

fuck, that wasn't even hard.
there is a STACK of (+/tesla) free energy devices demonstrated working, on video, in front of audiences, there too.

modern science doesn't know shit.

[mashman]

About as much energy as you put in minus a few losses, its just a conversion/storage medium - like a battery only slower to charge. You don´t get something for nothing. If you believe the guy in the video then you probably think this guy is the new messiah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kne6YnjcruQ.

I thought the Hutchinson effect involved asphyxiation or was that the Hutchence effect?

I reckon we've forgotten/ignored much more than we once knew. Primarily because of the financial system getting in the way. I often wonder what happened to the guy from Oz who created a magnet based home generator. He claimed that it'd cost 5k and would happily power a house. Probably died in a freak accident :shifty:. I don't think the guy in the vid is the messiah, but that's doesn't mean that I think he's using tricks to achieve his results. He may be a bit one eyed (too close to his subject matter) that he can't explore other avenues, but that's what the rest of the scientific community are for. Or should be for I should say. Yet another case of money getting in the way of progress.

heh, likely an element of both given how we view science.

[Akzle]

a magnet based home generator. He claimed that it'd cost 5k and would happily power a house.

it's a tesla thing. needs small shove to get going, then basically perpetual motion.

the coils out the bottom of smart drives make for a good starting point. 3 phase AC. few rectifiers= DC.

[Phantom Limb]

Before anyone gets too excited the 'Hutchison Effect' business, have a read here:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Hutchison_effect

Also if youre interested in any other 'pie in the sky' Psuedo-science as Akzle seems so infatuated with it. Just type it in the search box on 'Rational Wiki'.

[bogan]

it's a tesla thing. needs small shove to get going, then basically perpetual motion.

the coils out the bottom of smart drives make for a good starting point. 3 phase AC. few rectifiers= DC.

Perpetual until the magnets are demagnetised. It is a very efficient and interesting setup, but I believe it uses up the energy stored in the magnets. Thus it is neither scaleable or capable of producing energy.

[Drew]

What I find amusing, is that if such an unexplainable phenomenon can be made to happen at this guys house, why aren't hordes if scientists trying to nut it out?

Instead they are trying to create what they themselves call, "the God particle". Something that is a possibility to our understanding, but never been seen.

Fusing different materials together? Fuck, I can think of a dozen different markets in which that technology would be worth billions, if not trillions.

[Akzle]

Also if youre interested in any other 'pie in the sky' Psuedo-science as Akzle seems so infatuated with it. Just type it in the search box on 'Rational Wiki'.
dayyyomm!
it's on something with "wiki" in the title. must be true. bloody internets, making me wrong about stuff.


Perpetual until the magnets are demagnetised. It is a very efficient and interesting setup, but I believe it uses up the energy stored in the magnets. Thus it is neither scaleable or capable of producing energy.

there's two things i mentioned, one is rotax-electro magnet (the smart drive) which requires driving by something external, can use either a permanent magnet (as in wind turbine) or electro magnet (as in car alternator)
the other is the fixed magnet "generator" which's output is in the order of 5-10 times it's input requirements. (i'm going off the top of my head here...)
neodymium magnets are the shiz.
anyway, the theory is that the potential between the magnets forces electrons along a certain path. if magnets are in a circle with all south poles facing inwards, causes electrons to be forced into the centre, then they want to make a bid for freedom between the magnets this is caught in the surface of wire/windings and directed to somewhere useful.
no loss of magnetism...?
it is infinitely scalable.

[Akzle]

oh. and how 'bout them jappa's. and it's forum related.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fje6dSsALCk

[paturoa]

This is in the same basket (case) as the peeps who say that the merkins never went to the moon.

I expect that there will be some amazing discoverries in the future. This guy is a nut job, who can't work out how to unravel his claims that were supposed to impress people.

Einstein is credited with a quote "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds". He didn't say "Weak minds should often encounter violent opposition".

[Akzle]

This is in the same basket (case) as the peeps who say that the merkins never went to the moon.
oh they did.... just not until the late 90s.

[paturoa]

oh they did.... just not until the late 90s.

If you're trolling then fail, if your serious then fail.

[jonbuoy]

Ah yes that well known scientific research resource you tube. If you believe in these perpetual motion systems start building or investing in them. If you can make a scale model of one and prove its operation you will be an overnight billionaire, keep us posted if the Feds turn up to shut you down and jail you we will kick up a fuss on your behalf. Who knew modern science has it all wrong you don't need billions of dollars of colliders to unlock the secrets of the universe just an old ham radio and a signal generator...

[Phantom Limb]

Don't waste your breath, Akzle doesn't even have a working knowledge of basic physics. Might as well teach a monkey to talk.

[Akzle]

If you're trolling then fail, if your serious then fail.
your signature suits you.
but not the way you might think.

Ah yes that well known scientific research resource you tube. If you believe in these perpetual motion systems start building or investing in them. If you can make a scale model of one and prove its operation you will be an overnight billionaire, keep us posted if the Feds turn up to shut you down and jail you we will kick up a fuss on your behalf. Who knew modern science has it all wrong you don't need billions of dollars of colliders to unlock the secrets of the universe just an old ham radio and a signal generator...

there's no money in the cure.

if i had the money to even start building a FED, i would.

[jonbuoy]

your signature suits you.
but not the way you might think.


there's no money in the cure.

if i had the money to even start building a FED, i would.

What?? There is no money in free energy - are you serious?? The guy in that video is just using old radio transmitters - the "perpetual motion" systems on you tube seem to be cobbled together from off the shelf parts- doesnt look that pricey to do it.

[bogan]

Don't waste your breath, Akzle doesn't even have a working knowledge of basic physics. Might as well teach a monkey to talk.

Nail, head; nothing more to see here.

[Laava]

My mate was building an electric car that had an alternator so when it was decelerating it would charge the batteries at an accelerated rate thus making more power than it used.

Also when he put Bitron oil additive in his actual, going, car the revs dropped by 1000rpm at 100kmh.

No amount of discussion would convince him he was wrong. Hilarious.

[superman]

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[mashman]

And the world turns and modern science is as arrogant as per usual in regards to what is and isn't possible. Why? Because they read it in a book. Fuckin genius given that planets where discovered in the 16/17 00's. Not that the Maya and other civilisations had found them before. That must have been a fluke too. The walls of Jericho is an interesting story. As are several non mainstream theories, which still stump modern day science, in regards to how the pyramid and other large stone buildings where built back before god was in nappies... but sure, by all means rely on modern science for your daily affirmation. I'm glad there are those out there who don't... who knows, in a thousand years their ideas may become mainstream.

As for creating cheap power devices and making billions. Really? you don't think that the big wheel might have something to say about that sort of ingenuity? How quaint.

[jonbuoy]

And the world turns and modern science is as arrogant as per usual in regards to what is and isn't possible. Why? Because they read it in a book. Fuckin genius given that planets where discovered in the 16/17 00's. Not that the Maya and other civilisations had found them before. That must have been a fluke too. The walls of Jericho is an interesting story. As are several non mainstream theories, which still stump modern day science, in regards to how the pyramid and other large stone buildings where built back before god was in nappies... but sure, by all means rely on modern science for your daily affirmation. I'm glad there are those out there who don't... who knows, in a thousand years their ideas may become mainstream.

As for creating cheap power devices and making billions. Really? you don't think that the big wheel might have something to say about that sort of ingenuity? How quaint.

Riiight - if the US government is hiding those inventions - now might be a good time to bring them out, US is nearly broke and fighting a pointless war. The foil hat brigade are convinced all this technology is being with held, by who? And how many generations are they going to hold this information before profiting from it? Are they waiting for the enemy to discover it first? Are they waiting for their own economy to collapse? If the US had technology for unlimited energy they would love to bring it out (just for themselves and close friends you understand) it would make all that silly black fluid under the deserts of Iran and Iraq completely worthless.

I´m sure one day we will manage to extract energy from matter or room temperature superconductors - chances are it wont be done by a stoned old hippie in his basement playing around with some under table magnets a heathkit transmitter and a radio shack signal generator.

[mashman]

Why would they want to replace oil? It makes them rich. If wind and solar are so bloody good, which they are, then why don't they produce them cheaper so that we can all take advantage? The reasons they give for not employing fantastic technology is cost. Always has been, always will be. "Free" energy will open the corporates up to REAL competition from garden shed inventors. So again, why would they sacrifice their profits for competition? Honestly I'm sceptical as to wether the super efficient technology exists, however I'm less sceptical about people going to any lengths to protect their markey share. In fact I'd go as far as to say that they will kill to protect what they have... or need to take from some person/country etc... :rofl:@silly black stuff becoming worthless :facepalm:. Just because of free energy? Oh dear lord you gotta be a trollin.

bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa. We'll leave the discoveries to patent clerks then eh. Or perhaps to 16 yr old school kids in Germany, the one that noone had been able to solve in 300 years. Or Maybe the Nurse in the UK that did something with her xbox and proteins after 10 years of the best of the best not being able to accomplish it. Seriously sunshine, for your sake I hope you're a trolling or yow is going to need some form of shock therapy to kick that mass of mush in your head into gear. Only the experts can invent/innovate etc... :killingme

[jonbuoy]

Why would they want to replace oil? It makes them rich. If wind and solar are so bloody good, which they are, then why don't they produce them cheaper so that we can all take advantage? The reasons they give for not employing fantastic technology is cost. Always has been, always will be. "Free" energy will open the corporates up to REAL competition from garden shed inventors. So again, why would they sacrifice their profits for competition? Honestly I'm sceptical as to wether the super efficient technology exists, however I'm less sceptical about people going to any lengths to protect their markey share. In fact I'd go as far as to say that they will kill to protect what they have... or need to take from some person/country etc... :rofl:@silly black stuff becoming worthless :facepalm:. Just because of free energy? Oh dear lord you gotta be a trollin.

bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa. We'll leave the discoveries to patent clerks then eh. Or perhaps to 16 yr old school kids in Germany, the one that noone had been able to solve in 300 years. Or Maybe the Nurse in the UK that did something with her xbox and proteins after 10 years of the best of the best not being able to accomplish it. Seriously sunshine, for your sake I hope you're a trolling or yow is going to need some form of shock therapy to kick that mass of mush in your head into gear. Only the experts can invent/innovate etc... :killingme

Yes oil will be pretty much worthless if we get free unlimted energy, theres very little you cant make or do with unlimited free energy. Recycling old waste dumps even co2 or polutant filtering in the seas and atmosphere. If you cant see how insignificant unlimited free energy and nanotechnology makes oil and coal then you got mash in your head. Who is this "they" you speak of?

Most innovations and inventions happen in high tech labs because they have the recources. Maybe someone will stumble onto the cure for cancer in the Amazon jungle but more than likely it will happen in a lab somewhere. Maybe an amateur scientist will form a mini black hole in his garden shed or start up a cold fusion reactor not likely though is it?

[Phantom Limb]

Not sure who Mashman is arguing with, or if he's just on a ranting binge :confused:
If anyone is getting rich from oil, it's not the USA, they're flat broke and just can't admit it to themselves.
You talk about solar and wind generation but fail to realize that neither of these technologies are efficient enough at this stage to provide enough power to offset traditional energy generation methods.

[Brett]

Also when he put Bitron oil additive in his actual, going, car the revs dropped by 1000rpm at 100kmh.

No amount of discussion would convince him he was wrong. Hilarious.

Sounds like a genius to me. Does he understand the concept of gear ratios and revolutions per minute at all??

[Brett]

Why would they want to replace oil? It makes them rich. If wind and solar are so bloody good, which they are, then why don't they produce them cheaper so that we can all take advantage? The reasons they give for not employing fantastic technology is cost. Always has been, always will be. "Free" energy will open the corporates up to REAL competition from garden shed inventors. So again, why would they sacrifice their profits for competition? Honestly I'm sceptical as to wether the super efficient technology exists, however I'm less sceptical about people going to any lengths to protect their markey share. In fact I'd go as far as to say that they will kill to protect what they have... or need to take from some person/country etc... :rofl:@silly black stuff becoming worthless :facepalm:. Just because of free energy? Oh dear lord you gotta be a trollin.

Lol...do you spend your free time fashioning tin foil hats too?

As for the earlier discussion, creating perpetual motion/free energy needn't be expensive, you only need to prove a principle and you would be able to obtain both support and funding. It hasn't happened because a true solution has not yet been uncovered - just like the water powered car, yes we can separate the hydrogen and water, but the electricity required to do so makes the process no less efficient.

[mashman]

Yes oil will be pretty much worthless if we get free unlimted energy, theres very little you cant make or do with unlimited free energy. Recycling old waste dumps even co2 or polutant filtering in the seas and atmosphere. If you cant see how insignificant unlimited free energy and nanotechnology makes oil and coal then you got mash in your head. Who is this "they" you speak of?

Most innovations and inventions happen in high tech labs because they have the recources. Maybe someone will stumble onto the cure for cancer in the Amazon jungle but more than likely it will happen in a lab somewhere. Maybe an amateur scientist will form a mini black hole in his garden shed or start up a cold fusion reactor not likely though is it?

Because oil isn't used for anything other than generating power? I'm well aware of some of the positives of using unlimited free energy, you'd have to be bananas not to... oh, I see your point there... but that doesn't mean that oil will lose its value or become worthless, especially when you consider the number of people that the industry employs, the amount of $$$ it generates and the likely mininmal costs of unlimited free power generation that would result in a massive loss of employees and profit. I'm desperate to see this tech everywhere. We have it, it is available, but it COSTS TOO MUCH. Epic fuckin fail of gargantuan proportions. It's available but because we can't print some money we can't use it, seriously, someone is taking the piss and that someone is THEY.

Sure the funded "professionals" make breakthroughs, I wasn't arguing that they didn't... merely pointing out that they aren't the only ones by any stretch of the imagination, 'cept yours that is. The guy in the shed is just as likely to form a black hole or create a cold fusion reactor in his yard as the guy in the lab, possibly more so given the right materials. One is bound by his imagination, the other is bound by a chain of command that "directs" what facts of the project receive the most attention. So it's just as likely imho. Just check out the dude who pulled watches and clocks apart to get nuclear material for his kitchen experiment in Sweden. Open yer mind fulla. Also how many minds like that do we lose because they're taught to be a banker? Yet another EPIC fail and waste of minds.



Not sure who Mashman is arguing with, or if he's just on a ranting binge
If anyone is getting rich from oil, it's not the USA, they're flat broke and just can't admit it to themselves.
You talk about solar and wind generation but fail to realize that neither of these technologies are efficient enough at this stage to provide enough power to offset traditional energy generation methods.

Excellent post <_<. If they're so shit, why do they make solar panels and wind generators? Have you seen the wind power generator from China? ONE, will power 750,000 houses... yes that's right, ONE, UNO, or if you would prefer a visual numeric value :finger:



Lol...do you spend your free time fashioning tin foil hats too?

As for the earlier discussion, creating perpetual motion/free energy needn't be expensive, you only need to prove a principle and you would be able to obtain both support and funding. It hasn't happened because a true solution has not yet been uncovered - just like the water powered car, yes we can separate the hydrogen and water, but the electricity required to do so makes the process no less efficient.

Nope. I recently found out that following scientific research the it was found that tin foil hats would amplify mind control.

It'll be expensive alright, just not in the way you mean. The actual cost will be unthinkable for some. In all honesty I'd rather we didn't start filling our tanks with water unless we start sucking it from the ocean first. The oil industry wastes enough. It hasn't happened because a sound business model hasn't been created yet. The simpler things become i.e. wind power v's retrieving oil from some location, processing it etc... the less money it will generate as the overheads drop immensely. That's the biggest consideration for "THEM" and "THEM" is those who provide funding etc... or won't, I mean don't.

[Phantom Limb]

Excellent post <_<. If they're so shit, why do they make solar panels and wind generators? Have you seen the wind power generator from China? ONE, will power 750,000 houses... yes that's right, ONE, UNO, or if you would prefer a visual numeric value :finger:

Yes they use wind and solar generation around the world, but the cost required to generate power using these methods (the cost to build a shit load of wind generators for example) is a fair bit higher than traditional methods, so they're less efficient. Also you have to take into account wind consistency and down time for repairs (which are fairly often on wind turbines in particular). Then theres the issue of space usage, solar farms and wind turbine fields take up a shit load of room.

What I am trying to explain is that you can't replace power stations with turbines and solar farms and expect to get enough output to run our entire grid. The sums don't balance out, at least not with current technology, but the way things are going this statement will still be true for a while yet.

[mashman]

Yes they use wind and solar generation around the world, but the cost required to generate power using these methods (the cost to build a shit load of wind generators for example) is a fair bit higher than traditional methods, so they're less efficient. Also you have to take into account wind consistency and down time for repairs (which are fairly often on wind turbines in particular). Then theres the issue of space usage, solar farms and wind turbine fields take up a shit load of room.

What I am trying to explain is that you can't replace power stations with turbines and solar farms and expect to get enough output to run our entire grid. The sums don't balance out, at least not with current technology, but the way things are going this statement will still be true for a while yet.

I'm aware of some of those costs, which is one of my reasons for wanting a financially free economy (coz ya get to just build the damn things at no cost other than time and materials), and understand that cost v short term return it just isn't financially worth it. But looking at the longer term gains in terms of environment, sustainability and less reliance on stuff pulled out of the ground, not to mention clean green image (snigger), it's a must and absolutely worth it in my book. I'm sure there are other places you could string "windmills" up, like on top of lampposts, tops of buildings, tops of houses etc... no doubt there could be many other places too, like around the coastline as well as on the hills. We don't necessarily have to have fields of wind turbines using land fit for other purposes. I understand that solar needs the space, but in Germany that hasn't stopped them from lining the roofs of the houses with them. As you say though, that comes at a cost, but every little helps? and there's some bloody good tech out there.

I getcha and I understand that it won't replace the entire grid. However, I don't see that as a good enough reason not to lay the foundations for electricity transport though and take a load off the current coal/diesel/gas etc... power generation. Some areas of NZ are perfect for thermal power generation. That's a permanent source, until it blows up in yer face. these are the things we should be doing, but as you highlight, it's the financial cost v benefits that stops it.

[Phantom Limb]

I'm interested in this subject because my father in law is an energy credit trader. You know, one of those buggers that buys and sells units of energy to keep individual generation sites running at a profit even when the coal is too pricey / dam level is too low / not enough wind / cloudy day. So if theres a viable source of energy production that could potentially supply units for the grid, he's the man to know about it.
The thing is, the NZ power delivery scheme is a seriously complicated beast, every time a new windmill goes up, another land owner pisses and moans about sight / noise polution, like wise every time a pylon goes up you'll get the cancer brigade up in arms (even though power lines + cancer = BS), also whenever a river looks promising for damming, the iwi start rattling their war clubs. So we're left with power lines that are going to run out of capacity in a couple of years, few sites open to decent wind farms and hydro schemes performing below par.

I think the reall future will have to be nuclear. That is unless people 'take one for the team' and allow more turbines and pylons to be erected near by. :shifty:

[mashman]

I'm interested in this subject because my father in law is an energy credit trader. You know, one of those buggers that buys and sells units of energy to keep individual generation sites running at a profit even when the coal is too pricey / dam level is too low / not enough wind / cloudy day. So if theres a viable source of energy production that could potentially supply units for the grid, he's the man to know about it.
The thing is, the NZ power delivery scheme is a seriously complicated beast, every time a new windmill goes up, another land owner pisses and moans about sight / noise polution, like wise every time a pylon goes up you'll get the cancer brigade up in arms (even though power lines + cancer = BS), also whenever a river looks promising for damming, the iwi start rattling their war clubs. So we're left with power lines that are going to run out of capacity in a couple of years, few sites open to decent wind farms and hydro schemes performing below par.

I think the reall future will have to be nuclear. That is unless people 'take one for the team' and allow more turbines and pylons to be erected near by. :shifty:

Sounds like an interesting job. Can he do me a deal on free electricity for life :).

Shooting themselves in the pocket at the same time eh. Function over form for me. I've got friends who live next to a rail line. We spend the odd night or two up there and after the first 2 or 3 trains ya just don't hear them any more. Stick the wind farms in the water/ocean, doesn't have to be too far from shore, they've done that back in my old home town and it's kinda pretty to sit and watch. There are always alternatives, tis a shame, as you point out, that the eyesore brigade spit the dummy. Honestly, give me the keys to the country and I'll happily tell them to suck it up or fuck the fuck off off.

Thorium/molten salt reactors look damned interesting from all sorts of perspectives. Shame they shat on them back in the day. Although I reckon the future is a mix of wind, solar, thermal, potentially tidal and some form of nuclear. I'll happily have one on the hill by us, right next to the cell phone tower :yes:.

[paturoa]

your signature suits you.
but not the way you might think.

Maybe.

Here is one I've considerred a lot over the years. Perhaps you could too.

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

You could be correct about the merkins not going onto the moon until the 90s. I suspect the gods are already smirking.

[jonbuoy]

Because oil isn't used for anything other than generating power? I'm well aware of some of the positives of using unlimited free energy, you'd have to be bananas not to... oh, I see your point there... but that doesn't mean that oil will lose its value or become worthless, especially when you consider the number of people that the industry employs, the amount of $$$ it generates and the likely mininmal costs of unlimited free power generation that would result in a massive loss of employees and profit. I'm desperate to see this tech everywhere. We have it, it is available, but it COSTS TOO MUCH. Epic fuckin fail of gargantuan proportions. It's available but because we can't print some money we can't use it, seriously, someone is taking the piss and that someone is THEY.

Sure the funded "professionals" make breakthroughs, I wasn't arguing that they didn't... merely pointing out that they aren't the only ones by any stretch of the imagination, 'cept yours that is. The guy in the shed is just as likely to form a black hole or create a cold fusion reactor in his yard as the guy in the lab, possibly more so given the right materials. One is bound by his imagination, the other is bound by a chain of command that "directs" what facts of the project receive the most attention. So it's just as likely imho. Just check out the dude who pulled watches and clocks apart to get nuclear material for his kitchen experiment in Sweden. Open yer mind fulla. Also how many minds like that do we lose because they're taught to be a banker? Yet another EPIC fail and waste of minds.



Excellent post <_<. If they're so shit, why do they make solar panels and wind generators? Have you seen the wind power generator from China? ONE, will power 750,000 houses... yes that's right, ONE, UNO, or if you would prefer a visual numeric value :finger:



Nope. I recently found out that following scientific research the it was found that tin foil hats would amplify mind control.

It'll be expensive alright, just not in the way you mean. The actual cost will be unthinkable for some. In all honesty I'd rather we didn't start filling our tanks with water unless we start sucking it from the ocean first. The oil industry wastes enough. It hasn't happened because a sound business model hasn't been created yet. The simpler things become i.e. wind power v's retrieving oil from some location, processing it etc... the less money it will generate as the overheads drop immensely. That's the biggest consideration for "THEM" and "THEM" is those who provide funding etc... or won't, I mean don't.

Nowhere have I said only experts make breakthroughs. Although anyone spending a significant amount of time learning studying and practising a subject is an expert so the chances of someone who isnt an expert tripping over cold fusion accidentally while cleaning out the garage is pretty remote. I struggle to make sense of your ramblings sometimes. You dont seem to understand the basics of physics. Chances of making a mini black hole without an atom smasher of significant size - none. Of course you can try to cobble together a nuclear battery in your kitchen- but its not ground breaking technology.

[mashman]

Nowhere have I said only experts make breakthroughs. Although anyone spending a significant amount of time learning studying and practising a subject is an expert so the chances of someone who isnt an expert tripping over cold fusion accidentally while cleaning out the garage is pretty remote. I struggle to make sense of your ramblings sometimes. You dont seem to understand the basics of physics. Chances of making a mini black hole without an atom smasher of significant size - none. Of course you can try to cobble together a nuclear battery in your kitchen- but its not ground breaking technology.

Ahhhh de internetz and context, gotta lubs it. We're agreeing from either end of the spectrum by the looks of things :msn-wink:. I don't have an understanding of physics. I rely on others who do, be they amateur and/or stumbling on to something by accident, like, hmmm, an apple falling out of a tree or a stoned hippie inventing cold fusion by tripping over some old particle smashing apparatus his dad has in the garage... but I'm open to it coming from all quarters and wish the dude building a nuclear battery or a perpetual motion device or a car that runs on water should have access to absolutely everything they need to further their research without having to fight "THEM" to get their devices recognised etc... To that end I believe that there is some very very smart tech out there that we will likely never see in our lifetime because "THEY" won't implement it because it's not economically viable i.e. job losses, can't charge enough for it, lose their monopoly etc... I'd like to see things like the research of the dude in the OP, Tesla, Meyer (to a lesser extent), Kanzius etc... followed up because they're fuckin useful and not because they're profitable or not. Til then it seems that some in the scientific community and some amateurs and some joe public people will keep haarping on about such devices as being tin foil hat.

Then there are wild claims such as this "Tom Valone is a former patent examiner who was fired years ago from the patent office and recently won a lawsuit against the US Patent Office. Tom was awarded reinstatement and six years of back pay. Dr Thomas Valone estimated that patent applications for FREE ENERGY related technology have been "secretized" over 3,000 times over the years." (http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/patentoffice.htm) being filed in the tin foil hat bin too. True or Tin Foil hat? I'm going for true because I can see reasons as to why "THEM" would want such technologies to not see the light of day.

[Akzle]

Riiight - if the US government is hiding those inventions - now might be a good time to bring them out, US is nearly broke and fighting a pointless war.
ahh. but it's not pointless. it's to keep the money-go-round, going 'round. war costs money. or, to look at it from the corporate side, war is profitable. declaring wars on things like "drugs" or "terrorism" or "the enemies of freedom" is great. completely unquantifiable, never-to-be-won, could-be-anywhere catchall that allow you to impose ligislation on your own people, and bomb the fuck out of some others.
foremost i think the war in iraq was to do with oil, and the fact that if the "global currency" wasn't the "greenback" the american economoney would be gone tomorow, particularly true applied to trading oil.
(so instead of buying it off the camel jockeys with american $$, thus actually making both countrys and commoditys more valuable, they stage a 15 year land based occupation... neat.)
secondly, now that they're in afghani-land, it's about securing a heroin supply for the multi bajillion dollar psychopharmaceutical industry.

The foil hat brigade are convinced all this technology is being with held, by who? And how many generations are they going to hold this information before profiting from it? Are they waiting for the enemy to discover it first?

1 not neccesarily witheld, more, suppressed (is tin-hat belief) asides from the fact i have 0 faith in the americans to do anything right (see below about moon): they're waiting to be told how to do it.
1b the americans have a long history of supressing stuff
1c i read somewhere the other day about some guy who came up with a way to de-ionise nuclear waste. the american govenment (specifically five guys from CIA or something) saw it, then buried it.
(nuclear waste is good for making warheads)

2 there really is no "enemy" anymore. except people who hate freedom.

3 where is the profit, if everyone is "off grid"? if no-one is dependent on the international deals you (as a government) handshake/ go to war for, to get by?

again, there is no money in the cure.
the government do not support small, non-centralised projects, rather than putting solar panels on every roof (chch rebuild is ideal for an eco-city) they would rather run pylons from a powerstation. rather than putting rainwater tanks for catchment off gutters, they need hoo-ering big dams and pipelines to dose you with chlorine and fluoride. all requires infrastructure. all requires spending to keep it going.
it kinda follows the government model. rather than having everyone or every community making decisions for them selves, they need to be made at a central location and distributed to everywhere.
this is particularly evident in both north and southland (and the super-shitty - auckland) where local councils are being agglomerated, for whatever reason.

centralisation is not the answer.

Are they waiting for their own economy to collapse? If the US had technology for unlimited energy they would love to bring it out (just for themselves and close friends you understand) it would make all that silly black fluid under the deserts of Iran and Iraq completely worthless.

no. there's still some billions of cars, trucks, container ships, trains, aircraft etc (not to mention the american military apparatus) that run on the silly black stuff.
that won't change overnight.
they're probably waiting until the corporates can claim a patent on the technology, which is difficult when you're trying to patent stuff like magnetism, or gravity, or water (doesn't stop companies from trying - check out the water bottling companies in india)
it's okay though, they're going to keep stripping nutrients out of the food, up the levels of fluoride in the water supply, change the formula for the dietary supplements you will need, tweak your psychiatrists prescription, and hey presto: an impressionable / supressable population that will do nothing more than go to work, pay tax, watch tv and prop up the corporate elite.

o. wait on.

I´m sure one day we will manage to extract energy from matter or room temperature superconductors - chances are it wont be done by a stoned old hippie in his basement playing around with some under table magnets a heathkit transmitter and a radio shack signal generator.

and that's exactly the type of development that "science" goes for.
binary.
even the best computers come back to binary. (yes/no, on/off) the fact that they can do it a squillion times a second is irrelevant.
we haven't cracked "organic" computing. we haven't cracked organic anything.
humans cannot create consciousness. fortunately we've been provided with it, that would kind of indicate we should be pursuing the betterment of what we've got, rather than making things smaller and faster. (oh but being smaller and faster allows for more monetary profit. doh!)


If you cant see how insignificant unlimited free energy and nanotechnology makes oil and coal then you got mash in your head.
as above.

Who is this "they" you speak of?
the board of dark shadowy figuires, obviously.

Maybe someone will stumble onto the cure for cancer in the Amazon jungle...
there is a cure for cancer. don't get it. how high do you think the incidences of cancer are in the amazon jungle? how high in ancient maya, egypt... wherever?

humans have created cancer.
i think it's a bit like karma.



solar and wind generation but fail to realize that neither of these technologies are efficient enough at this stage to provide enough power to offset traditional energy generation methods.
that depends how they are implemented. if every home supplied 40% of their energy off panels on their roof.. well, i'm not going to do maths, i haven't had coffee yet, but it would decrease the requirement for centralised generation by A LOT.


Maybe.

Here is one I've considerred a lot over the years. Perhaps you could too.

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

You could be correct about the merkins not going onto the moon until the 90s. I suspect the gods are already smirking.
so.. you think they DID land on the moon because of some media hype,
i think they DID NOT because the ruski's got there first and the american's didn't want to look like dumbarses to their own ignorant and believing population, so they made it up... hell they were still blowing people up in the late 80s...
the ruskis put a rover on mars, what, 30 years ago? didn't hear shit about that when the yanks landed theirs, did ya?

i judge truth by my knowledge, tis all anyone can do. i am not omnipotent, neither are you.

[mashman]

Currently, snigger, the power where we are is up and down like a hoors undies. Damn I wish I could afford my own suppy, if only to keep the freezer and oven going.

[cc rider]

Bloody Hell... ran out of butter for the popcorn. Chat amongst yourselves, I'll be right back... :corn:

[mashman]

Bloody Hell... ran out of butter for the popcorn. Chat amongst yourselves, I'll be right back... :corn:

Last Tango In Paris again huh.

[Laava]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=m-rec-index&v=4-YwbgXpnkA
The comments say a whole lot. Not very eloquently tho.

[scissorhands]

In the future, there will be so much crazy stuff.
Imagine going back in time with a laptop full of video's of strange and wonderful things.
The Sky Bike.... climb and descend to designated height under centralised flight path computers [esp in rush hour]
plus normal 1 dimensional handling at altitude
Bit like a jet ski
Aucks to Welly in under 2 hours
Maybe even a moped class sky bike for commuters
Imagine the instrument panel

[Akzle]

The Sky Bike.... climb and descend to designated height under centralised flight path computers
...
Imagine the instrument panel

:killingme

hahahhahahahahahhaaha-fucking ha.
have you seen the muppets on our roads?no way in hell they're gonna be able to operate in another dimension. 3 is more than enough for their puny brains.

plus, i've got a cupboard full of buckshot.