Countersteering: push or pull?

[arcane12]

Hi guys.

Thought I'd post in here as it may be a newbie question, here goes.

I have been working on my riding, trying to analyse what I am doing to see where I can improve.

I have been reading about counter steering, and while I am obviously doing it, I was not consciously aware of what exactly I was doing.

The first thing I did was on a nice straight bit of road I pushed the handle a little bit. Ahah! So then next corner I came to I tried to focus my mind of what I was doing with my hands (While trying to still make it a nice turn!)

Here is what I found: Rather than pushing on the left side to turn left, I was pulling on the right side (mentally I think I tied it to pulling the bike over into the lean).

Is this a bad habit that I should look at retraining out before I run into trouble, or is it a case of courses for horses?

On a related note I also found myself shifting my weight a little to the right to counter balance the bike to lean it further (rather than leaning left into the left corner). It's hard to explain correctly, but I will give it another go if anyone thinks it important enough to examine in depth.

[duckonin]

Go and find a course. Good god and you must of even passed the basics. It is know wonder the licence system is rooted !!:rolleyes:

[oneofsix]

Push or pull as long as you counter steer. I suspect you will end up pushing long term, just seems to be the nature of it.

As to shifting your weight the way you describe, I think you want to work on not doing that as you are countering the cornering and means you have to lean the bike further than would otherwise be needed.

Well that's my 2c worth anyhow

[sugilite]

You mentioned you did it sub conciously previously, how was that working out before you started thinking about it so much?

[Fast Eddie]

the counter balancing comment stands out to me...

lean into the corner not away from it. move ur body more and bike less.

take a course!!

[GrayWolf]

Really, you need to get the 'basic's' well and truly embedded first. Counter steering AS YOU'VE ALREADY REALISED happens to some extent, anyway. Learn to read the road, camber, surface, how to look 'through' the corner, apexing, etc etc. Counter steering is one of those 'nice to know later, BUT an important technique' as well. You dont say how long you've been riding, so I am assuming from the post you're a relative newcomer.
BASICS, BASICS, BASICS.. when they are 'second nature' and you dont even really think about what you ae doing to ride/corner? Then start to look at the more advanced riding skills. Oh and as suggested, a good Instructor/mentor/Tutor goes a long way in learning.

[caspernz]

Push or pull? Either works, but I prefer to push the inside bar myself...

Counter balancing? Eeeekk!! Try that often enough and you'll crash, as it's the exact opposite of what you should be doing on a road bike during normal cornering...

In short, get onto a training course where the skills are disected and taught in isolation :2thumbsup

Much easier than reading about it in hospital :(

[skippa1]

You mentioned you did it sub conciously previously, how was that working out before you started thinking about it so much?


the counter balancing comment stands out to me...

lean into the corner not away from it. move ur body more and bike less.

take a course!!

+1 on what they said.

[skippa1]

does it look right to you?:blink:

[hayd3n]

i prefer a gentle tugg

[Krayy]

i prefer a gentle tugg
While you're riding!?! That's impressive....I can't even get it out without squashing it against the tank :msn-wink:

[hayd3n]

While you're riding!?! That's impressive....I can't even get it out without squashing it against the tank :msn-wink:

even whilst countersteering :niceone:

[george formby]

I can say from personal experience that if you try to counter steer by pulling on the right handle bar you run the risk of inadvertently opening the throttle which i found to be a startling & most unpleasant experience. If lamp posts can be startled then their were two of us agog.

Any hoo, steer with your head. look where you want to go & the bike will follow. No real need to hang off either side of the bike on the road, keep your bum on the seat.

[steve_t]

Push

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[MystikEagle]

Do a course. Pro rider was amazing and the best thing about it being on a track was that you could go around and do the same corners over and over. They give you the tools to work with, send you out to practice and follow you to make sure your doing it right. When explaining counter steering they did say it was easier on a cruiser to pull the outside bar because it will give you more leverage. Practice on a straight. That's how I got the hang of it...

[george formby]

Do a course. Pro rider was amazing and the best thing about it being on a track was that you could go around and do the same corners over and over. They give you the tools to work with, send you out to practice and follow you to make sure your doing it right. When explaining counter steering they did say it was easier on a cruiser to pull the outside bar because it will give you more leverage. Practice on a straight. That's how I got the hang of it...

In a nutshell.

[arcane12]

Sorry, forgot to mention, I have been on the bike for about 8 months, 6 weeks since passing my restricted. The bike is a cruiser.


Go and find a course. Good god and you must of even passed the basics. It is know wonder the licence system is rooted !!:rolleyes:

Real helpful!


You mentioned you did it sub conciously previously, how was that working out before you started thinking about it so much?

It was working out quite well, it was my 'natural' tendancy. I just was wanted to know if it was correct or, more importantly, safe.


the counter balancing comment stands out to me...

lean into the corner not away from it. move ur body more and bike less.

take a course!!

Yeah, I thought so. It did not seem right when I gave it some thought, but at the time it was my natural reaction. Luckily I am not the sort to push things too far, so it has not sent me into hurtsville, but no time like now to change my habits.

And yes, it is on my agenda to take a course as soon as I can.

[Akzle]

Is this a bad habit that I should look at retraining out before I run into trouble, or is it a case of courses for horses?

On a related note I also found myself shifting my weight a little to the right to counter balance the bike to lean it further (rather than leaning left into the left corner). It's hard to explain correctly, but I will give it another go if anyone thinks it important enough to examine in depth.

i do the same. like ridin a legerté hoss. can't say it's bad. or good.
mainest point is look where you're going. all the time.

you want to lean your bike LESS. so you should lean you MORE.
continuing to do it your way WILL result in a lowside when you get a bit keen.

where's our resident professional, drew?

[MSTRS]

No-one has mentioned the leaning-out thing seems to apply to motards...but then everyone knows those riders are mad...

OP - if you are doing a real slow speed tight turn, then leaning your body away from the turn can help turn tighter. But keep doing it at road speeds....well...you've basically had the answer eh?

As for the counter-steer setup...depends whether you want to be a drug dealer or a wanker.
Hint - you can probably buy your fix from most of us.

[p.dath]

It's surprising if anyone gets anything usefull out of this site with all the negative comments from someone just wanting to learn something from someone newer.

My personal preference is to push, and here is why. Cruisers can be a little different, but on most types of road bikes you learn to start moving your body off the bike to the inside of the corner (search "kissing the mirror" to get you started). If you continue this to the extreme on the track you'll be hanging off the bike. In both of these cases the outside bar is much further away the the inside bar - so it is far easier to push the near inside bar than to try and pull the car outside bar.

So although it probably doesn't make any different on the type of bike you have now, at the level your at now, if you move onto something more sportier later on you'll find it easier if you learn the push mantra now.

[Drew]

Don't think about it. Push or pull works.

On a bike that is raked out like an LS, moving your body off center isn't particularly helpful since loading the front tyre isn't really possible.

Always look where you want to go, then just ride it and enjoy.

[onearmedbandit]

I do both.

[Fast Eddie]

I do both.

after temporarily losing the use of my left hand I was wondering how I can modify the clutch for right hand operation.. flag the front brake and just put clutch there instead? :D

[Drew]

. flag the front brake and just put clutch there instead? :D
Seems legit.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I do both.

I had to think about that for a couple minutes, but of course you do.... pulling in a left bender, pushing in a right bender. I suggest you would be the best counter-steerer of any of us. Or most likely the most conscious of it.

[DEATH_INC.]

does it look right to you?:blink:
Nope, he needs to get his elbows up and the inside foot off the peg and up by the fork :headbang:

As for countersteering, I do both..push and pull at the same time.

[Transalper]

If I'm in a hurry to tip my bike over I counter steer by pushing one side and pulling the other together.
Counterweighting in a turn is very useful when low speed manoeuvring such as u-turning, weaving, parking etc and at all speeds on gravel.

[nodrog]

Hey I used to have a LS650, push or pull it didnt really matter, the frame got in the way when trying to corner.

[arcane12]

I have begun to modify my behaviour. The work commute has a few corners on it, a 75 and a number of 85s. I was stuck behind a car for some of it, but was able to have a good go at the 75 (I mean I am not crazy - maybe 100ish).

The push is something I feel I will need to work at remembering to do, though the lean felt like it would be easier to adjust to as it is something a bit less automatic.

It is interesting how my line changes because of it, and it is great to have an 'enforced' route to practice on that I know well.

I just need to remember - it's a cruiser, lean back, enjoy the road. Ok and have a little fun from time to time.

Oh and before anyone asks about the vagueness of the speed - just look where the Boulevard Speedo is. :facepalm: I am a reasonable judge but...

Edit: I think I taught myself the whole counter balance thing for doing the cones (puff puff) for the basic handling test. It must have transferred itself to high speed stuff. Sigh.

[sugilite]

It was working out quite well, it was my 'natural' tendency. I just was wanted to know if it was correct or, more importantly, safe.

OKDOK, I started a thread yonks ago about riding smooth and I did a blurb on counter steering, I'll paste it in below.

Working with the bike

A lot of riders do the majority of steering using their arm strength alone. While being perfectly acceptable, it does take a fair bit of effort and that mounts up over a longer ride.
Another option is to use your body to help steer the bike, in particular your legs and feet can greatly add to sharing the steering load and giving you a greater number of force bearing contact points (hands, knees, feet) aiding in steering the bike. This spread of loading forces really helps smooth things out and the bike handles and responds better as a result.
An example of this would be, when initiating a left hand turn, the rider pushes against the left handle bar (counter steering - see note below) with their hand/arm, while simultaneously pushing down on the left footrest with their foot and pulling against the tank with their right knee. (assuming their bike type/ride position supports use of the knee). Now you don't need to go being a Rambo or Ramboette using this technique, all good things in moderation is one of the major secrets of smoooooth!

Note: The concept of counter steering is now becoming more widely known. The basics of counter steering is to initiate a left hand turn, one actually turns the handle bars slightly to the right causing the bike to lean to the left. Visa versa for right turns. It is a fairly natural process, so I won't be covering it in any real depth here.

Exercises I've used to speed up the learning process:
Fortunately there is a relatively quick way of learning how to use this technique.

Find a quiet and winding road with a series of corners that can be taken easily in say 3rd gear, being a hill would be a added bonus too. Once a suitable road has been found, scout it both directions checking for any hazards. Once you are satisfied the way is clear, take the bike up to third gear, then at a very gentle pace, take your hand off the left handle bar and navigate the road one handed at a pace you feel comfortable. Believe me doing this will force you to quickly start using your legs, feet and knees to help steer the bike. Once you get to the end of your road, turn around and do it again heading the other way, now repeat this process at least three times. At the completion of the third run, try the same piece of road using two hands running at a faster (but still safe) pace. You will very likely be blown away by how easy and effortless steering your bike has become now your using your whole body in synergy with the bike. Keep practicing the above until it becomes a natural process in your riding. When practicing, do not hesitate at all to put both hands on the bars at the slightest hint of a hazard or if your feeling uneasy with the situation.

The one other thing I will cover in this section is when navigating "S" bends,where your transferring your weight from one side of the bike to the other.
Using your whole body to steer will naturally have you on the balls of your feet when navigating twisties. So when you are banked over on one side and it is time to turn it to the opposite side, use your legs/feet to take the weight off your arse, personally I often use my legs/feet to lift my arse just off the seat by a centimeter or two. I find doing that really smooths out the whole transition process and the suspension will really thank you for it too.

The whole thread that came from is here if your interested in reading about other smooth riding techniques. :yes:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/117616-Ride-Smoother-and-Safer-%28and-get-paid-to-do-it!%29

[Geeen]

I do both.

We had to do a couple of laps of Taupo one-handed as a countersteering drill on Sunday, the first lap was rather intimidating the second was easier. But MASSIVE respect to you for dong it all the time:2thumbsup

Arcane1, get ye to rider training. There is apparently ACC subsidised training in Hams next month

[MarkW]

after temporarily losing the use of my left hand I was wondering how I can modify the clutch for right hand operation.. flag the front brake and just put clutch there instead? :D

DO NOT REMOVE THE FRONT BRAKE - it supplies more than 80% of your stopping power. If you were driving a car what you are proposing to do is to use only the hand brake to stop.

Move the clutch lever to the right hand side but place the lever well below the brake lever. Then learn to use three fingers on the brake lever and the fourth for the clutch.

When moving off you can use all four fingers on the clutch.

If having to stop in a hurry - use the brake and ignore the clutch - the bike will stall when the speed drops low enough but at least you will still be able to stop.

And yes this is hard - but it can be done as at least one KB member has to do this all of the time.

[Akzle]

after temporarily losing the use of my left hand I was wondering how I can modify the clutch for right hand operation.. flag the front brake and just put clutch there instead? :D

off topic. but buy a clake.

[carburator]

after temporarily losing the use of my left hand I was wondering how I can modify the clutch for right hand operation.. flag the front brake and just put clutch there instead? :D

ive used a ATV thumb throttle for a clutch setup on a customers bike. getting the leverage ratio down on the
cltuch was interesting ended up with a double pull system

[Fast Eddie]

Seems legit.
:D


DO NOT REMOVE THE FRONT BRAKE - it supplies more than 80% of your stopping power.
haha, I wouldn't take the front brake off the 2 wheeler :D sidecar has foot brake though :D front lever is just a spare incase footbrake linked circuit fails.


off topic. but buy a clake.
whats a clake.. I'll be damned if I look it up myself on google.


ive used a ATV thumb throttle for a clutch setup on a customers bike. getting the leverage ratio down on the
cltuch was interesting ended up with a double pull system
hmmm... hydraulic clutch though

[CHOPPA]

If it hasnt been mentioned already go to the California Superbike School

http://www.facebook.com/CaliforniaSuperbikeSchoolnz?fref=ts

[onearmedbandit]

after temporarily losing the use of my left hand I was wondering how I can modify the clutch for right hand operation.. flag the front brake and just put clutch there instead? :D

The suggestions I've had on how I should do it have been many, some ok and some clearly not thought out. Like the clutch being moved to the rear brake lever. Or changing the front brake to the rear brake lever. What I've got works for me.

[BMWST?]

countersteering is how we all control any two wheel vehicle.....i tend to push when i "deliberatley" to iniate a turn that requires a bit more urgency than normal.But i think the push sometimes results in the lean away...you are sorta pushing you body away from the turn....

[flyingcarpet]

Farout , i just get a leg over and ride...whats up with all this techno bullshit ? recon you all need to get out there and ride//if you come home , sweet , if you dont then you have fu*kd itup..............

[CHOPPA]

Farout , i just get a leg over and ride...whats up with all this techno bullshit ? recon you all need to get out there and ride//if you come home , sweet , if you dont then you have fu*kd itup..............

Its not about getting home its about getting home first and in the most style

[Fast Eddie]

The suggestions I've had on how I should do it have been many, some ok and some clearly not thought out. Like the clutch being moved to the rear brake lever. Or changing the front brake to the rear brake lever. What I've got works for me.

mean bro, looks diy - able too, on the sidecar. See how the hand heals up before wanganui street race.. at the mo its too weak to pull in a clutch.

[Drew]

mean bro, looks diy - able too, on the sidecar. See how the hand heals up before wanganui street race.. at the mo its too weak to pull in a clutch.On the sidecar, just take off the front brake hose and put the clutch to it.

Take off the caliper if it runs a 'spare' like the outfit we rode. Ya don't use it for anything but pushing around the pits anyway, and if your foot brake fails, don't expect the hand brake to have any effect at all.

Countersteering...Just so I'm still on topic.

[nodrog]

This will help with countersteering.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/154759-Suzuki-LS650-Boulevard-chrome-pack-rack

[Maha]

To countersteer properly, you need a helmet with great visability and style...http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/154750-KBC-Helmet

[Road kill]

If I broke it down while I was riding "which I don't",,,I'd be leading/pushing into the corner with both my inside shoulder and inside hand.

The outside hand will be feathering the bar very lightly,,certainly not pulling on it.

The big thing is that I always set up for the corner well before entering it and because of that,the counter steering part of the deal is never thought about,,if I get the corner right everything else simply follows through.

There's a saying in another sport I'm heavily involved in,,,"don't over think it".

What it comes down to is that a lot of people do really well,,,until they start to analise what it is their doing.

From there it often turns to shit which in turn leads to their hitting a performance brick wall,,and in some cases dropping out of the sport altogeather.

Even though I hold several national and a couple of international titles myself,,,I don't coach myself due to that very issue.

I pay a real coach do as I'm told and allow the tech to become subconcious.

The same should/could hold for any motorcyclist that really wants to get it right,,,go to a pro and just do as your told.

Don't over think it.

[Madness]

Even though I hold several national and a couple of international titles myself,,,I don't coach myself due to that very issue.

Let me guess, Petanque?

[onearmedbandit]

I had to think about that for a couple minutes, but of course you do.... pulling in a left bender, pushing in a right bender. I suggest you would be the best counter-steerer of any of us. Or most likely the most conscious of it.

Ever since getting back on bikes after the accident, I've been more aware of it. I went out for a couple of rides yesterday and thought about what you had posted, and yeah I would have to agree. My mind is very much on the task of push/pull, especially when doing quick turn-in corners. Add to that clutch (if necessary), front brake, and throttle modulation it makes for a very busy right hand.

[Fast Eddie]

On the sidecar, just take off the front brake hose and put the clutch to it.

Take off the caliper if it runs a 'spare' like the outfit we rode. Ya don't use it for anything but pushing around the pits anyway, and if your foot brake fails, don't expect the hand brake to have any effect at all.

Countersteering...Just so I'm still on topic.

sounds likes a plan to me! I've got some flash AP front brake cylinder/lever.. but the hydraulic clutch may hook up to it..

yip I run 2 calipers on the front, one is the handbrake and it is useless, the fluid gets cooked during the race anyway its never worked when I'v gone to use it.

I had a sit on the road bike the other day and managed to pull in the clutch with my left hand.. once or twice.. fuckn weak.

what can u eat or drink to help with post surgery trauma.. still swollen and stiff as (not my shlong)

[ckai]

Go and find a course. Good god and you must of even passed the basics. It is know wonder the licence system is rooted !!:rolleyes:

Yip for a course but for god sakes don't do it on a track!! It's inappropriate and won't translate to how you ride on the road.

PS. Our bike licence system is rooted because the BHS tests how to ride slow but it's OK to then send them out to ride at normal speeds. With a test like this of course people aren't gonna know what to do without tuition.


If it hasnt been mentioned already go to the California Superbike School

http://www.facebook.com/CaliforniaSuperbikeSchoolnz?fref=ts

Thats inappropriate ;)


Hi guys.

Thought I'd post in here as it may be a newbie question, here goes.

I have been working on my riding, trying to analyse what I am doing to see where I can improve.

I have been reading about counter steering, and while I am obviously doing it, I was not consciously aware of what exactly I was doing.

The first thing I did was on a nice straight bit of road I pushed the handle a little bit. Ahah! So then next corner I came to I tried to focus my mind of what I was doing with my hands (While trying to still make it a nice turn!)

Here is what I found: Rather than pushing on the left side to turn left, I was pulling on the right side (mentally I think I tied it to pulling the bike over into the lean).

Is this a bad habit that I should look at retraining out before I run into trouble, or is it a case of courses for horses?

On a related note I also found myself shifting my weight a little to the right to counter balance the bike to lean it further (rather than leaning left into the left corner). It's hard to explain correctly, but I will give it another go if anyone thinks it important enough to examine in depth.

After riding a few cruisers for the first time in the last few months coming from a sports bike (test riding for someone), counter steering is something you actually have to think about less on them. Leaning your upper body into a corner will mean you start counter steering.

As for the counter balancing, like someone mentioned, there's some crazy videos on youtube with bike cops going nuts on slow speed courses using that. Only good for slow stuff. Not good for normal speed.

[arcane12]

After riding a few cruisers for the first time in the last few months coming from a sports bike (test riding for someone), counter steering is something you actually have to think about less on them. Leaning your upper body into a corner will mean you start counter steering.

As for the counter balancing, like someone mentioned, there's some crazy videos on youtube with bike cops going nuts on slow speed courses using that. Only good for slow stuff. Not good for normal speed.

I have been putting the advice given into practice somewhat. I think the real answer, at least for a cruiser, is both. Or all. I have been breaking it down on every corner, trying something a little different on each one. One handed counter steering requires a lot more effort! Particularly as if I try to do it that way I am not pushing with my knee as much, and leaning to initiate the turn.

I thought I was pulling rather than pushing as that was the most noticable part of my action that was not as described on the LTSA site when it talked about counter steering. And let's not tangent off into what we all think of the LTSA. It is still a first point of reference for many novice rider, and is not all bad.

Finally counter balancing. I think I am not as bad as what some people thought, but on the flip side, it is something I should not be doing at all, so is good to be told 'Um, yeah, no, don't do that please.' Strangely enough I don't want to die and will actually listen to well thought out advice that helps me in that regard! I am still fighting that urge to be more upright in the corners as the bike leans, but have at least refined it to a large degree. It's actually harder to fight the urge if I am stuck behind some cage and can't attack the corner at the speed I would prefer. (100 or so around a 75, rather than the 85 the cage is doing.)

[ckai]

I have been putting the advice given into practice somewhat. I think the real answer, at least for a cruiser, is both. Or all. I have been breaking it down on every corner, trying something a little different on each one. One handed counter steering requires a lot more effort! Particularly as if I try to do it that way I am not pushing with my knee as much, and leaning to initiate the turn.

I thought I was pulling rather than pushing as that was the most noticable part of my action that was not as described on the LTSA site when it talked about counter steering. And let's not tangent off into what we all think of the LTSA. It is still a first point of reference for many novice rider, and is not all bad.

Finally counter balancing. I think I am not as bad as what some people thought, but on the flip side, it is something I should not be doing at all, so is good to be told 'Um, yeah, no, don't do that please.' Strangely enough I don't want to die and will actually listen to well thought out advice that helps me in that regard! I am still fighting that urge to be more upright in the corners as the bike leans, but have at least refined it to a large degree. It's actually harder to fight the urge if I am stuck behind some cage and can't attack the corner at the speed I would prefer. (100 or so around a 75, rather than the 85 the cage is doing.)

Totally agree with you about the LTSA website. Something is better than nothing. Would be cool if they had links or upcoming events to cheap courses.

To be honest, we I went riding on the cruisers, I did very little leaning at all with regards to my body. I just went with the flow of the bike - I "cruised" as opposed to attacking the corners on the Daytona.

A little bit of leaning into the corner helps with counter steering if you don't understand it. Great way to get new riders into it without them thinking about it. In saying that I know one particular rider that counter steers madly and doesn't move his body an inch! He's a demon rider, smooth as silk.

Moral of the story is the actual counter steering is the important part - not how ya do it (at least to start off ;) )

[Maha]

Countersteering happens naturally, its how bikes go around corners...its called geometry.
Its only more prevalent at higher speeds.

Ride in a straight line below 100 kph and give the left bar a slight nudge, see how much the bike moves. (caution: dont push to hard)
When cornering left, you are leaning to the left, thus putting pressure on the left bar, same thing happens to the right, physics in action.

[Road kill]

Let me guess, Petanque?

Mate I don't even know what a Petanque is,,,your taking the P right ?

Me,,,3D and field archery.

Traditional Recurve and longbow.

Retired from competion last year.

Now just another spear chucker.

[Drew]

Mate I don't even know what a Petanque is,,,your taking the P right ?

Me,,,3D and field archery.

Traditional Recurve and longbow.

Retired from competion last year.

Now just another spear chucker.
So, you held the titles, rather than hold them?

Simantics only, it's completely irrelevant.

I think tomorrow I might go get some practice at something completely arbitrary. Breathing, there's something I haven't practiced for a while. Even if I do it perfectly now, if I should practice counter steering, I should practice breathing....

[Big Dave]

a very busy right hand.

Tell us something we didn't know. :=P

[Road kill]

So, you held the titles, rather than hold them?

Simantics only, it's completely irrelevant.

I think tomorrow I might go get some practice at something completely arbitrary. Breathing, there's something I haven't practiced for a while. Even if I do it perfectly now, if I should practice counter steering, I should practice breathing....

I still hold the titles for the years in which I won them.

It's not as if anybody else ever will is it ?

[Drew]

I still hold the titles for the years in which I won them.

It's not as if anybody else ever will is it ?We call a title holder, the last person to win it.

But I suppose you're right.

[scumdog]

My personal preference is to push, and here is why. Cruisers can be a little different, but on most types of road bikes you learn to start moving your body off the bike to the inside of the corner (search "kissing the mirror" to get you started). If you continue this to the extreme on the track you'll be hanging off the bike. In both of these cases the outside bar is much further away the the inside bar - so it is far easier to push the near inside bar than to try and pull the car outside bar.

.
Sums up my choice for inducing counter-steering.

Of course it could have gone out the window when I fitted narrower bars to my cruiser - but no, I stuck with pushing forwards on the down-hill end of the bars.