Meanwhile a Border Collie waits...

[98tls]

And waits,one of Sams favourite pastimes is attacking the exhaust of anything with a motor when its started up,the lux/mrs hairdryer/electric knives and chainsaws are a bit of a problem as you can imagine but his favourite is the bike,went out to the shed this morning and moved the TL to do a few things,he gets excited for a bit then sits and waits,nothing happens so hes decided to have a snooze and wait it out,guess he figurers it will start sometime.:facepalm::laugh:

[george formby]

Seems to be a breed trait..


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[Katman]

Seems to be a breed trait..


Isn't that a Blue Heeler?

[george formby]

Isn't that a Blue Heeler?

T'is a Collie heeler X to the best of my knowledge. Smart sheepdog, either way. Known as a "clinker" to shepherds apparently.

My dog won't wait fo FA...:facepalm:

[Big Dave]

>>a bit of a problem as you can imagine<<

According to the dog whisperer Sam is 'owning' them.
You have to assert dominance whilst he's doing it and prove that you are pack leader and they are yours.

http://www.cesarsway.com/channel/dog-whisperer-tv

I think I agree, but on the last episode I watched he got a nasty bite from a Daxy - I bet he wasn't whispering in the out-takes.

This act still cracks me up:

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[98tls]

:laugh:Nice work Doogle.Yep sounds feasible Dave,ive roared at Sam re the chainsaw etc but just when you think hes got it you turn around and there he is lining up for a snap at the end of the bar so far safer just to put him in lockdown whilst using it,bugger leapt off the bed once and grabbed the hairdryer off the mrs whilst she was using it which didnt go down to well,bowled her over:shit::facepalm:Hes somewhat bull at gate but hey it makes life interesting at times and provides a few laughs,out at a mates property he spied a horse in a paddock so off he goes ignoring all the swearing going on behind him but no problem the gate stopped him dead in his tracks:laugh:to busy focusing on the horse he never saw the bloody gate and ran straight into it flat out.:confused:

[Big Dave]

He sometimes gets physical - rolls the dog on its back, and sinks his fingers into the throat in a claw that simulates fangs - and he holds the dog there till it submits - then for a little while after that.

Sounds harsh, but then, consequences...dunno....

[GTRMAN]

He sometimes gets physical - rolls the dog on its back, and sinks his fingers into the throat in a claw that simulates fangs - and he holds the dog there till it submits - then for a little while after that.

Sounds harsh, but then, consequences...dunno....


I tried that with my huntaways, works a treat. Though the one at the family farm did have a thing for rotating rubber, as in vehicle tyres. She is quiet as a mouse now... having her head run over twice has given her a very sunny and somewhat vacant disposition

[Big Dave]

Can you bottle the process?

[Geeen]

Seems to be a breed trait..





>>a bit of a problem as you can imagine<<

According to the dog whisperer Sam is 'owning' them.
You have to assert dominance whilst he's doing it and prove that you are pack leader and they are yours.

http://www.cesarsway.com/channel/dog-whisperer-tv

I think I agree, but on the last episode I watched he got a nasty bite from a Daxy - I bet he wasn't whispering in the out-takes.

This act still cracks me up:



Those are some very well trained dogs.

[98tls]

He sometimes gets physical - rolls the dog on its back, and sinks his fingers into the throat in a claw that simulates fangs - and he holds the dog there till it submits - then for a little while after that.

Sounds harsh, but then, consequences...dunno....

Dont fancy my chances,roll Sam on his back and grab him round the throat he seems to think :woohoo:play time and goes nuts:laugh:Ive had a few Border Collies in my time,all of em wonderful dogs but none so bloshy as this guy,the world is indeed Sams oyster and he does with it what he wants to,as i said earlier it does provide some laughs.

[Big Dave]

Dont fancy my chances,roll Sam on his back and grab him round the throat he seems to think :woohoo:play time and goes nuts:laugh:Ive had a few Border Collies in my time,all of em wonderful dogs but none so bloshy as this guy,the world is indeed Sams oyster and he does with it what he wants to,as i said earlier it does provide some laughs.

He does it with their collar and lead on, but the dogs he's trying to modify are usually quite physcho.

I had a Shepherd once that would pick up the front wheel of the lawn mower and play tug of war - with a roaring Victa.

[oneofsix]

He does it with their collar and lead on, but the dogs he's trying to modify are usually quite physcho.

I had a Shepherd once that would pick up the front wheel of the lawn mower and play tug of war - with a roaring Victa.

My Border would do that, and yes he did try to bite the end of the chainsaw bar whilst it was running. Heard the click on his teeth but no blood and no damage, fucked if I know how he got away with it but shit he was quick. One minute no where in sight next he's attacking the chain. Don't know who got the biggest fright, me the dog or the daughter watching.

[Road kill]

Holding a Dog down by the throat and forcing it to submit is Dog language which they understand an respond to very well.

Yelling,hitting and kicking is human language which they don't understand.

I dog that has just eaten the couch does not know what it did wrong,all it knows is you were pissed off when you walked in the door an started all that yelling shit.

When your doing that yelling shit the Dog will back off because it does realise your pissed off.

If you then do manage to get it to come close enough for you to start that hitting shit "the only lesson it learns is to stay away from you when your doing that yelling shit because it leads to him/her getting hit.

It will never connect it's eating the couch with what your doing and it will never connect your yelling and hitting with anything more than your being a bit unbalanced and not to be trusted.

Dogs do not know what they did wrong,all they know is that your pissed off.

It doesn't take much of that before the Dog will not come when called because you have taught it that coming to you equals "bad things happening to it".

Personally I disagree that the Dog is trying to own the bike,what it's doing is trying to dominate it which is not the same thing at all.

In the case of hair driers or chain saws it's more a protective thing and that happens because the dog considers it's self stronger or more dominant or at lest the equal of the person involved so it's just looking out for either it's equal or of the weaker pack member.

My own dogs don't carry on like that because they see both my Mrs and I as being the dominant pack members so it's not their place to be involved unless they are called on to do so.

These TV Dog guys say things like the Dog is trying to own something because they are trying to get the message across to the Dog owner in the only language they understand because they sure as hell don't understand "Dog.

None of our Dogs have ever been hit in their lives and verbal telling off is always very short an sharp in much the same way they do it themselves.

Dogs are not nice to each other like humans are ""they have very well definded pack structures that are defended to the death at times "they expect the same ruthless approach from their human pack members and when they don't get it in a way they understand they will take control themselves.

That is why really dominant types of Dogs like pitbulls ect will often turn on their owners.

They see themselves as being top Dog so when the human gets out of line they get put back in their place.

To bad if you though your pitty was cute an cuddly,because he doesn't see you like that.

[hayd3n]

""they have very well definded pack structures that are defended to the death at times "they expect the same ruthless approach from their human pack members and when they don't get it in a way they understand they will take control themselves.

That is why really dominant types of Dogs like pitbulls ect will often turn on their owners.

They see themselves as being top Dog so when the human gets out of line they get put back in their place.

To bad if you though your pitty was cute an cuddly,because he doesn't see you like that.

hahaha, nope. errr wrong\ more of a family type setup.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_behavior
also http://www.clickersolutions.com/articles/2001/dominance.htm

[Big Dave]

As previously discussed - no expert though I trained my German Shepherds back in the day and it was all about choker chains and discipline.

This one I trained with treats and rewards - and it's a remarkably obedient dog and will perform a number of tricks.

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He loves to learn. Currently we're working on delivering the neighbour's paper. He brings mine in no sweat.

[george formby]

That is why really dominant types of Dogs like pitbulls ect will often turn on their owners.

They see themselves as being top Dog so when the human gets out of line they get put back in their place.

To bad if you though your pitty was cute an cuddly,because he doesn't see you like that.

Utter shite. And why do you use Pit Bulls as an example?

I agree with most else of what you say. All dogs need to know their boundaries & place. Be obedient & be led. Pulling a dog to ground by the scruff or collar is just as effective as rolling & usually far more appropriate to the dogs action. It's more parental.
If your dog is strong enough to haul you around on a leash then you take on a lot of responsibility to make sure that it behaves properly which requires time , patience & commitment.
Pit Bulls & similar breeds develop incredible loyalty & gentleness towards their families. I would trust one over a groomed, scented ankle biter any day.

[george formby]

As previously discussed - no expert though I trained my German Shepherds back in the day and it was all about choker chains and discipline.

This one I trained with treats and rewards - and it's a remarkably obedient dog and will perform a number of tricks.



Dogs are a great example of carrot & stick. They don't miss a damn thing, if you know this you can train them to do anything if you make it worth their while. They know whats good for them in ways we could not dream of. Just like us they respond better to a smile & bit of happiness.

[Flip]

In the meantime Ted and I will go "looking for adventure".

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[Road kill]

hahaha, nope. errr wrong\ more of a family type setup.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_behavior
also http://www.clickersolutions.com/articles/2001/dominance.htm

What's the difference between a family and a pack ?

You can look to your mate wiki for the answer.

After all it has the final answer to all questions right ?

[Road kill]

Utter shite. And why do you use Pit Bulls as an example?

I agree with most else of what you say. All dogs need to know their boundaries & place. Be obedient & be led. Pulling a dog to ground by the scruff or collar is just as effective as rolling & usually far more appropriate to the dogs action. It's more parental.
If your dog is strong enough to haul you around on a leash then you take on a lot of responsibility to make sure that it behaves properly which requires time , patience & commitment.
Pit Bulls & similar breeds develop incredible loyalty & gentleness towards their families. I would trust one over a groomed, scented ankle biter any day.

I used pitbulls because they are a strong dominat type of dog.

If you have an issue with the current media or Gov't attitudes towards pittys,,,I don't really care mate,,,your problem not mine.

BTW,,All breeds develop loyalty ect ect toward their people if their allowed to develop as a dog should,,,which was the whole point of my post,,,right ?

[Big Dave]

Ted's a champion.

[Laava]

As previously discussed - no expert though I trained my German Shepherds back in the day and it was all about choker chains and discipline.

This one I trained with treats and rewards - and it's a remarkably obedient dog and will perform a number of tricks.He loves to learn. Currently we're working on delivering the neighbour's paper. He brings mine in no sweat.

You are a cruel man. I am going to report you to PETA. You,ll never work with animals again!

P/t but not far off the mark. Ask Peter Jackson
Doogle is awesome by the way, well done.

[hayd3n]

What's the difference between a family and a pack ?

You can look to your mate wiki for the answer.

After all it has the final answer to all questions right ?

no actually my partner is a studying vet nurse ( passed 100% ) and she has to learn all about these type's of thing,
and did you read my second link?

[Grubber]

And waits,one of Sams favourite pastimes is attacking the exhaust of anything with a motor when its started up,the lux/mrs hairdryer/electric knives and chainsaws are a bit of a problem as you can imagine but his favourite is the bike,went out to the shed this morning and moved the TL to do a few things,he gets excited for a bit then sits and waits,nothing happens so hes decided to have a snooze and wait it out,guess he figurers it will start sometime.:facepalm::laugh:

What a beautiful dog.
If he needs a home at any stage, he is welcome to come stay with me!:msn-wink:

[98tls]

What a beautiful dog.
If he needs a home at any stage, he is welcome to come stay with me!:msn-wink:

Cheers,methinks i would be looking for a new home before Sam mate,Mrs loves him to bits,Sams come outta this thread sounding like a very bad Border Collie:mellow:hes not,hes obedient,well behaved generally and loyal to the end,lets just say he has plenty of character:msn-wink:Wouldnt have it any other way.

[98tls]

A few pics of Sam for no particular reason.

[Grubber]

Cheers,methinks i would be looking for a new home before Sam mate,Mrs loves him to bits,Sams come outta this thread sounding like a very bad Border Collie:mellow:hes not,hes obedient,well behaved generally and loyal to the end,lets just say he has plenty of character:msn-wink:Wouldnt have it any other way.

Ok then, how bout when you move out i could move in? Yes...no...maybe??

[Grubber]

Utter shite. And why do you use Pit Bulls as an example?

I agree with most else of what you say. All dogs need to know their boundaries & place. Be obedient & be led. Pulling a dog to ground by the scruff or collar is just as effective as rolling & usually far more appropriate to the dogs action. It's more parental.
If your dog is strong enough to haul you around on a leash then you take on a lot of responsibility to make sure that it behaves properly which requires time , patience & commitment.
Pit Bulls & similar breeds develop incredible loyalty & gentleness towards their families. I would trust one over a groomed, scented ankle biter any day.

How often does an ankle biter take your face off in a unprovoked attack????

[98tls]

Ok then, how bout when you move out i could move in? Yes...no...maybe??

:laugh:Ill be sure to let ya know if and when.:niceone:

[george formby]

Cheers,methinks i would be looking for a new home before Sam mate,Mrs loves him to bits,Sams come outta this thread sounding like a very bad Border Collie:mellow:hes not,hes obedient,well behaved generally and loyal to the end,lets just say he has plenty of character:msn-wink:Wouldnt have it any other way.

:laugh: All the reasons why you should own a dog. They put a bit of joy & the odd surprise into your day.

Oh, roadkill, strong yes, dominant no. Instinctive definitely. I'm off too find a pinch of salt.

[duckonin]

Cheers,methinks i would be looking for a new home before Sam mate,Mrs loves him to bits,Sams come outta this thread sounding like a very bad Border Collie:mellow:hes not,hes obedient,well behaved generally and loyal to the end,lets just say he has plenty of character:msn-wink:Wouldnt have it any other way.

Had a number of borders over the years . Some made the grade others did not. Over the last 47 years I have had some goodin's. all Borders have been as you have described Sam. 'Fizz',(name says it all) the one I have now would have to be one of the most intelligent dogs I have ever owned. I crack up playing with him every day just loves to please. Like Sam though he will take on any motor from the exhaust. If a cow kicks him he loses his rag big time he does not like being hurt.

[Mom]

Idiot dog LOL. At risk of offending, get some professional help with that puppy. He is too lovely to lose to a dumb submission issue. I lost a dog to a ute because I thought it was funny when she tried to bite tyres. Have never forgiven myself. The vet told me I had done well to get her to 18 months without injury ( fox terriers are mental!) Then a month or so later she was gone. She was well behaved, very, very obiedient, and so smart. But, one day the opportunity came to bite the tyres of a vehicle travelling at open road speeds as opposed to our driveway, I was not close, and bang! Gone!


You may not always be around to prevent something going wrong Mike :love:

[Road kill]

no actually my partner is a studying vet nurse ( passed 100% ) and she has to learn all about these type's of thing,
and did you read my second link?

My wife is a vet nurse of 30 odd years,,amongst other things:rolleyes::laugh:

I've had both pets and working dogs for the last 45 years or so and currently have 5 pet/specialist scenting dogs,,,the first of which I trained myself.

The other 4 have more or less picked it up from "Grace" our older dog with just a little guidance from me because along with the rewards they get it's just what they do anyway,I'm really just the guy that points them in the right direction an has the dog bickies,the transport,the best spot on the couch ect.

No I didn't read your link,,I just don't put much faith in sites like wiki ect,,because they tend to pretty unreliable and leave things out to often "so I tend to switch off the moment the site is mentioned.

I do keep a lazy eye on the dog training world because my wife is involved in obedience competition and type showing.

All an all I'm quite happy with how I do things with my dogs because I don't have many problems with them.

[Road kill]

Cheers,methinks i would be looking for a new home before Sam mate,Mrs loves him to bits,Sams come outta this thread sounding like a very bad Border Collie:mellow:hes not,hes obedient,well behaved generally and loyal to the end,lets just say he has plenty of character:msn-wink:Wouldnt have it any other way.

Sam sounds just like any typical Border to me.

We had one called Max that had a thing about birds landing in "his" backyard.

Spent half his life stalking,chasing,eating the odd one.

Odd thing was that he never really bothered the chooks outside of rounding them up now an then.:laugh:

[Grubber]

:laugh:Ill be sure to let ya know if and when.:niceone:

Woohoo! I'm in with a chance!:Punk:

[Winston001]

Good on you Mike, Sam is a fine dog. Growing up on a farm I've always had a soft spot for border collies and huntaways.

But your devil cat is still dominant. :devil2:

[Big Dave]

You know where anything with Labrador in it waits?

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[Big Dave]

Hey flip.
Ted and the media.

http://www.facebook.com/KiwiRiderMagazine

[Zedder]

You know where anything with Labrador in it waits?

So true about the Labrador type dogs there Dave.

I really enjoy your videos too. What's the tune called on "KLR ride to the border ranges"? It's quite catchy.

[Big Dave]

Thanks for that.

I buy the music from shockwave-sound.com (http://www.shockwave-sound.com)
Expensive, but so much better than I can do.
(One of my early Garage Band efforts was described on YT as 'Background music for an 80's porn flick' and on reflection it was an accurate review!).
The fee means I keep YT partner status (some of the ad revenue and I get to ad links to my channel).

Not exactly sure what that one is called sorry - I bought a few CD collections.

It's on the MP3 Player at top right of my site too. But I changed the name to track 3.

[Nova.]

Ill take a bull mastiff over any other dog in the world anyday.

[Zedder]

Thanks for that.

I buy the music from shockwave-sound.com (http://www.shockwave-sound.com)
Expensive, but so much better than I can do.
(One of my early Garage Band efforts was described on YT as 'Background music for an 80's porn flick' and on reflection it was an accurate review!).
The fee means I keep YT partner status (some of the ad revenue and I get to ad links to my channel).

Not exactly sure what that one is called sorry - I bought a few CD collections.

It's on the MP3 Player at top right of my site too. But I changed the name to track 3.

Cheers Dave.

[98tls]

Ill take a bull mastiff over any other dog in the world anyday.

Good for you,i know a bloke with one and whilst great natured etc every time the thing does typical dog stuff it ends up at the vets which means big $,to high maintenance for me.

[Nova.]

Good for you,i know a bloke with one and whilst great natured etc every time the thing does typical dog stuff it ends up at the vets which means big $,to high maintenance for me.

i grew up with two and have fond memories with them, i want to get another one when i move into a flat :mobile:

[hayd3n]

My wife is a vet nurse of 30 odd years,,amongst other things:rolleyes::laugh:

I've had both pets and working dogs for the last 45 years or so and currently have 5 pet/specialist scenting dogs,,,the first of which I trained myself.

The other 4 have more or less picked it up from "Grace" our older dog with just a little guidance from me because along with the rewards they get it's just what they do anyway,I'm really just the guy that points them in the right direction an has the dog bickies,the transport,the best spot on the couch ect.

No I didn't read your link,,I just don't put much faith in sites like wiki ect,,because they tend to pretty unreliable and leave things out to often "so I tend to switch off the moment the site is mentioned.

I do keep a lazy eye on the dog training world because my wife is involved in obedience competition and type showing.

All an all I'm quite happy with how I do things with my dogs because I don't have many problems with them.
its not a wiki link