Advice wanted about restricted licence laws

[al.]

hi folks, as a normally mostly law-adibing 45 year old citizen, having been caught up in recent the changes to the graduated licencing system-i got my learners (6L) in june this year, and as it stood then was gonna be able to get my restricted this month (being 6 months later), and then it was gonna be another 6 months till my full-a period which i was gonna be able to shorten down to 3 months by doing the course, however i haven't 'had my finger on the pulse' (mainly because ltnz stated that those already in the system as it stood would be allowed to continue to progress thru it as it stood) and now while booking my restricted i found out about the new 18 month thing between restricted and full (along with the loss of the provision for over 25's to shorten it) (man,i really wish i'd got my bike licence years ago but untill recently i've only owned offroad bikes over past 30 years), anyway, i'm considering using my bike on the ODD occasion (never after drinking plus i'm not a risk taker/cop magnet) anyway.....the question is: what is the full penalty if caught riding a bike with an engine larger than allowed under 'lams' while you're on your 6R ? (i'm pretty sure it's a $400 fine and demerits, but i'm also wondering if they also add any time period added to getting your full licence-i can't see any online reference to any addition of time if caught but just wondering if i've missed anything), any accurate, knowledgable info much appreciated, t.i.a, cheers, al.

[Bassmatt]

hi folks, as a normally mostly law-adibing 45 year old citizen, having been caught up in recent the changes to the graduated licencing system-i got my learners (6L) in june this year, and as it stood then was gonna be able to get my restricted this month (being 6 months later), and then it was gonna be another 6 months till my full-a period which i was gonna be able to shorten down to 3 months by doing the course, however i haven't 'had my finger on the pulse' (mainly because ltnz stated that those already in the system as it stood would be allowed to continue to progress thru it as it stood) and now while booking my restricted i found out about the new 18 month thing between restricted and full (along with the loss of the provision for over 25's to shorten it) (man,i really wish i'd got my bike licence years ago but untill recently i've only owned offroad bikes over past 30 years), anyway, i'm considering using my bike on the ODD occasion (never after drinking plus i'm not a risk taker/cop magnet) anyway.....the question is: what is the full penalty if caught riding a bike with an engine larger than allowed under 'lams' while you're on your 6R ? (i'm pretty sure it's a $400 fine and demerits, but i'm also wondering if they also add any time period added to getting your full licence-i can't see any online reference to any addition of time if caught but just wondering if i've missed anything), any accurate, knowledgable info much appreciated, t.i.a, cheers, al.

Flutter your eyelids, act contrite, tell him how you've been riding for years with no license but your turning over a new leaf and trying to become a responsible member of society (you can add how you got caught out with the licensing changes) and he will never catch you doing 121kph again.
Worked for me. On a 650,on my learners with no L plate attatched. Got the speeding ticket that was it.

[al.]

Flutter your eyelids, act contrite, tell him how you've been riding for years with no license but your turning over a new leaf and trying to become a responsible member of society (you can add how you got caught out with the licensing changes) and he will never catch you doing 121kph again.
Worked for me. On a 650,on my learners with no L plate attatched. Got the speeding ticket that was it.

thanks bass, yep good idea, i reckon your "i've been riding for years with no license but now turning over a new leaf and trying to become a responsible member of society" theory is (on average) a really good one (assuming the cop is a decent character and at least considers exercising discretion-which is unfortunately getting rarer by the day, due to various aspects of their recruiting tactics, etc)) (the guy you ran into is obviously a decent dude), however if they decided to 'throw the book at' me (all it takes is one wrong cop), i'm wondering what the FULL possibilities are in terms of penalty (i can wear the fine and the demerits, but a further period added to the already lengthy wait for my full licence might see me develop arthritis before i get around to kickstarting my old bike on a regular basis lol). p.s my bike is 1340cc (although, in theory, whether it's 1cc or 680cc over the maximum allowed by lams shouldn't make a difference)....

[duckonin]

i'm considering using my bike on the ODD occasion (never after drinking plus i'm not a risk taker/cop magnet) anyway.....the question is: what is the full penalty if caught riding a bike with an engine larger than allowed under 'lams' while you're on your 6R ? (i'm pretty sure it's a $400 fine and demerits, but i'm also wondering if they also add any time period added to getting your full licence-i can't see any online reference to any addition of time if caught but just wondering if i've missed anything), any accurate, knowledgable info much appreciated, t.i.a, cheers, al.

Question for u .. Why write this sort of shit on a public forum telling the world your intentions ?:no: Just do it. You know if you are caught you'r in the shit,:mellow: so if you take the risk and are caught then that was your decision,:laugh:put up with whatever the system throws at you...

[FJRider]

but i'm also wondering if they also add any time period added to getting your full licence-i can't see any online reference to any addition of time if caught but just wondering if i've missed anything), any accurate, knowledgable info much appreciated, t.i.a, cheers, al.

They don't add to your time ... but enough demerits and you walk for three months.

Police do random rego checks via their radio as they follow (because bikers are dodgy buggers eh) so you wont know you're being checked.

If you get pinged for speeding and riding outside your conditions of your license ... you get the fines for both. But only the demerits for the more serious offence.

[al.]

Question for u .. Why write this sort of shit on a public forum telling the world your intentions ?:no: Just do it. You know if you are caught you'r in the shit,:mellow: so if you take the risk and are caught then that was your decision,:laugh:put up with whatever the system throws at you...

i nearly didn't bother replying to this but i thought i'd mention that i was only after constructive input. and the answer to your question (if you couldn't work it out from the elaborate post i started with...) is: i'm rationally evaluating the potential risks and using that criteria to decide whether or not to go ahead with it-based on how significantly it will impact me and in what area/manner... and as for putting my intentions on a public forum, how could that possibly negatively affect me?-and how else could i get a wide ranging realworld perspective on such a point??

[Bassmatt]

Nah you're fucked now, theres a APB out for al. :rolleyes:

[al.]

They don't add to your time ... but enough demerits and you walk for three months.

Police do random rego checks via their radio as they follow (because bikers are dodgy buggers eh) so you wont know you're being checked.

If you get pinged for speeding and riding outside your conditions of your license ... you get the fines for both. But only the demerits for the more serious offence.

cool, thanks, i don't mind the fine and can accommodate the demerits (i'm currently at 60-from daring to creep above 100 k/m/h in my car on the open road on a few occasions... if they definitely can't add to the time to get full licence then i'm happy to take the punt occasionally. as for only getting the demerits for the more serious offence, do you know if that is law, or just what TENDS to happen? (not that i'll be pushing it on the bike) thanks again.

[al.]

Nah you're fucked now, theres a APB out for al. :rolleyes:

lol. i'm going down into the bunker now

[FJRider]

cool, thanks, i don't mind the fine and can accommodate the demerits (i'm currently at 60-from daring to creep above 100 k/m/h in my car on the open road on a few occasions... if they definitely can't add to the time to get full licence then i'm happy to take the punt occasionally. as for only getting the demerits for the more serious offence, do you know if that is law, or just what TENDS to happen? (not that i'll be pushing it on the bike) thanks again.

One demerits penalty per stop only is allowed in legislation.

[al.]

One demerits penalty per stop only is allowed in legislation.

cheers for that, that's good news indeed -i dig your avatar by the way!

[FJRider]

cheers for that, that's good news indeed -i dig your avatar by the way!

I only answered the questions you did ask.

Answers to questions you didn't ask are as follows ... like ... what ELSE can be done to me .. ??


1. receiving an infringement fine of $400
2. receiving a fine of up to $1,000 if summonsed to court (this would likely follow persistent offending)
3. being forbidden to drive by police
4. having your vehicle seized on the roadside and impounded for 28 days
5. being declined vehicle insurance
6. having an insurance claim declined.

[Subike]

I only answered the questions you did ask.

Answers to questions you didn't ask are as follows ... like ... what ELSE can be done to me .. ??


1. receiving an infringement fine of $400
2. receiving a fine of up to $1,000 if summonsed to court (this would likely follow persistent offending)
3. being forbidden to drive by police
4. having your vehicle seized on the roadside and impounded for 28 days
5. being declined vehicle insurance
6. having an insurance claim declined.

7, third offense, may have vehicle impounded and crushed. ( "boy racer" legislation )

[oneofsix]

Does a X month loss of license therefore mean that even though it was 18 months ago that you obtained your restricted there has been a period of X months therefore you have legally only had your restricted for 18-X months, if X = 6 that means restricted for only 12 months and therefore not allowed to sit full?

With LAMS allowing up to 650cc bikes why would you? Can't you do enough damage on a 650?

[FJRider]

Does a X month loss of license therefore mean that even though it was 18 months ago that you obtained your restricted there has been a period of X months therefore you have legally only had your restricted for 18-X months, if X = 6 that means restricted for only 12 months and therefore not allowed to sit full?

With LAMS allowing up to 650cc bikes why would you? Can't you do enough damage on a 650?

Loss of license time does not count for/in a time period a license is held.

[Subike]

Loss of license time does not count for/in a time period a license is held.

Really? So if I loose my license for 12mths and one day, I can just jump on my bike and ride?
Its 2 years HOLDING a class of license me thinks you will find trev, not 2 calender years.
They do have things called computers, that record shit you do and can use arithmetic to calculate how many months you have held your license.

[FJRider]

Really? So if I loose my license for 12mths and one day, I can just jump on my bike and ride?

YOU know the answer to that (which is NO)



Its 2 years HOLDING a class of license me thinks you will find trev, not 2 calender years.
They do have things called computers, that record shit you do and can use arithmetic to calculate how many months you have held your license.

He was asking if the period he had lost his license for counted as time served ... on learners/restricted license .. which it does not.

[oneofsix]

He was asking if the period he had lost his license for counted as time served ... on learners/restricted license .. which it does not.

so effectively he does risk lengthening the number of calender months he spends on the lesser licence.
Which brings me back to the question that with 650s included in LAMs why would you risk a non-LAMs bike? Strikes me as madness.

[FJRider]

so effectively he does risk lengthening the number of calender months he spends on the lesser licence.
Which brings me back to the question that with 650s included in LAMs why would you risk a non-LAMs bike? Strikes me as madness.

Yes ... and that is HIS choice ... and the risks HE wants to take.

And the best of British luck to him ...

[Madness]

With LAMS allowing up to 650cc bikes why would you? Can't you do enough damage on a 650?


...Which brings me back to the question that with 650s included in LAMs why would you risk a non-LAMs bike? Strikes me as madness.

Al owns a Harley-Davidson & there aint many (if any) LAMS-approved H.D's. I'm guessing he bought it when under the old rules he was able to go from 6L to 6F in a short time.

Madness? I've heard of madder.

[al.]

so effectively he does risk lengthening the number of calender months he spends on the lesser licence.
Which brings me back to the question that with 650s included in LAMs why would you risk a non-LAMs bike? Strikes me as madness.

surely if disqualifying me/taking my licence (based on the fact that i have enough demerits 'up my sleeve') ISN'T an option open to police enforcing the offence of riding a bike with an engine with larger cubic capacity than that allowed under 'lams', then i don't actually risk extending the period before i can get my full ? (or have i missed something?)

also, to answer oneofsix's question, i'm not a total motorbike nut (yet...) and only own the one bike and it's the only road bike that really appeals to me and it happens to have an engine of 1340cc (here we go....lol)

[al.]

Al owns a Harley-Davidson & there aint many (if any) LAMS-approved H.D's. I'm guessing he bought it when under the old rules he was able to go from 6L to 6F in a short time.

Madness? I've heard of madder.

you got it in one madness

[FJRider]

surely if disqualifying me/taking my licence (based on the fact that i have enough demerits 'up my sleeve') ISN'T an option open to police enforcing the offence of riding a bike with an engine with larger cubic capacity than that allowed under 'lams', then i don't actually risk extending the period before i can get my full ? (or have i missed something?)



If ... with a simple charge of riding outside your conditions of license ... with the demerit points awarded being enough to lead to the automatic (as opposed to an officers decision to take it) loss of license. You will need to serve the 3 months walking before your restricted/learner period is counted. If you have 6 months (of either learner or restricted) to go when you get the ticket ... you will STILL have 6 months to go after you get your license back.

And they're getting serious about those forbidden to drive ... doing so .. (and expensive)

STILL ... YOUR CHOICE ...

[al.]

If ... with a simple charge of riding outside your conditions of license ... with the demerit points awarded being enough to lead to the automatic (as opposed to an officers decision to take it) loss of license. You will need to serve the 3 months walking before your restricted/learner period is counted. If you have 6 months (of either learner or restricted) to go when you get the ticket ... you will STILL have 6 months to go after you get your license back.

And they're getting serious about those forbidden to drive ... doing so .. (and expensive)

STILL ... YOUR CHOICE ...


cheers, and i get that, but hence my "i have enough demerits 'up my sleeve'" comment (i.e, if i get pulled up on my 1340cc while on my 6R, and the cop decides to go ahead with awarding me the maximum appropriate demerit points, i'll still be under the significant number of 100)

it's really only the loss of licence that i'm worried about and i still have 40 demerits left up my sleeve. (i've accumulated 60 in last couple of years thru driving over 100 k/m/h in my car on open road...)

[al.]

If ... with a simple charge of riding outside your conditions of license ... with the demerit points awarded being enough to lead to the automatic (as opposed to an officers decision to take it) loss of license. You will need to serve the 3 months walking before your restricted/learner period is counted. If you have 6 months (of either learner or restricted) to go when you get the ticket ... you will STILL have 6 months to go after you get your license back.

And they're getting serious about those forbidden to drive ... doing so .. (and expensive)

STILL ... YOUR CHOICE ...


cheers, and i get that, but hence my "i have enough demerits 'up my sleeve'" comment (i.e, if i get pulled up on my 1340cc while on my 6R, and the cop decides to go ahead with awarding me the maximum appropriate demerit points, i'll still be under the significant number of 100)

it's really only the loss of licence that i'm worried about and i still have 40 demerits left up my sleeve. (i've accumulated 60 in last couple of years thru driving over 100 k/m/h in my car on the open road...)

[FJRider]

cheers, and i get that, but hence my "i have enough demerits 'up my sleeve'" comment (i.e, if i get pulled up on my 1340cc while on my 6R, and the cop decides to go ahead with awarding me the maximum appropriate demerit points, i'll still be under the significant number of 100)

it's really only the loss of licence that i'm worried about and i still have 40 demerits left up my sleeve. (i've accumulated 60 in last couple of years thru driving over 100 k/m/h in my car on the open road...)

40 points are easy to gather ... pass a school bus that is picking up or dropping of passengers at more than 60 km/hr can get you an automatic 28 day walk. Plus what ever the court awards when you appear. Pass one at 50 ... and it would only take an "exceeding the posted speed limit (1 km over the tolerance) for your 3 month walk to take effect.

Two tickets for 70 in a 50 zone ... :done:

Keeping a low profile on a Harley is easier said than done.

Good luck with that.

[Subike]

40 points are easy to gather ... pass a school bus that is picking up or dropping of passengers at more than 60 km/hr can get you an automatic 28 day walk. Plus what ever the court awards when you appear. Pass one at 50 ... and it would only take an "exceeding the posted speed limit (1 km over the tolerance) for your 3 month walk to take effect.

Two tickets for 70 in a 50 zone ... :done:

Keeping a low profile on a Harley is easier said than done.

Good luck with that.

maybe he does not ride like you trev, not hard to keep under the radar, and on a harley thats really easy if you dont wear apatch

[FJRider]

maybe he does not ride like you trev, not hard to keep under the radar, and on a harley thats really easy if you dont wear apatch

I have NO demerits attached to my license .... so he does not (obviously) ride/drive ... like ME ... :bleh:

[al.]

40 points are easy to gather ... pass a school bus that is picking up or dropping of passengers at more than 60 km/hr can get you an automatic 28 day walk. Plus what ever the court awards when you appear. Pass one at 50 ... and it would only take an "exceeding the posted speed limit (1 km over the tolerance) for your 3 month walk to take effect.

Two tickets for 70 in a 50 zone ... :done:

Keeping a low profile on a Harley is easier said than done.

Good luck with that.

cheers, i get your point but i'm fully conscious of my vulnerable demerits situation (it's at the front of my mind every second that i'm driving-for example until my next points fall off (on 28 february '13) i'm painfully sitting like a brainless moron at red no-right-turn arrows and at those godforsaken motorway on ramp lights), and therefor i've managed to get no more points, pull-overs, or even sideways glances from cops since january, despite doing heaps of driving in a powerful (and stand out/distinctive these days) 70's falcon daily, incl to south canterbury and back 3 times and around auck a lot, and being a fast/competitive/intolerant of slow morons type driver by nature.

[FJRider]

cheers, i get your point but i'm fully conscious of my vulnerable demerits situation (it's at the front of my mind every second that i'm driving-for example until my next points fall off (on 28 february '13) i'm painfully sitting like a brainless moron at red no-right-turn arrows and at those godforsaken motorway on ramp lights), and therefor i've managed to get no more points, pull-overs, or even sideways glances from cops since january, despite doing heaps of driving in a powerful (and stand out/distinctive these days) 70's falcon daily, incl to south canterbury and back 3 times and around auck a lot, and being a fast/competitive/intolerant of slow morons type driver by nature.

Ummmm ....

I found this in the Land Transport Act 1998:


91. Cancellation and reinstatement of demerit points--- (1) When 2 years have elapsed since the commission of an offence in respect of which demerit points were recorded, the entry of the points made in respect of that offence ceases to have effect in relation to the person who committed that offence; but if demerit points were recorded in respect of 2 or more offences committed by that person, the entry ceases to have effect when 2 years have elapsed since the commission of the most recent of those offences.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/377-Expiration-of-Demerit-Points?highlight=Expiration+Demerit+Points

[al.]

Ummmm ....

I found this in the Land Transport Act 1998:


91. Cancellation and reinstatement of demerit points--- (1) When 2 years have elapsed since the commission of an offence in respect of which demerit points were recorded, the entry of the points made in respect of that offence ceases to have effect in relation to the person who committed that offence; but if demerit points were recorded in respect of 2 or more offences committed by that person, the entry ceases to have effect when 2 years have elapsed since the commission of the most recent of those offences.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/377-Expiration-of-Demerit-Points?highlight=Expiration+Demerit+Points

interesting, although my points were issued due to separate offences (and i rang ltnz the other day and got the different dates on which they fall off)

[FJRider]

interesting, although my points were issued due to separate offences (and i rang ltnz the other day and got the different dates on which they fall off)

I just rang LTNZ and the nice lady assured me ... demerit points fall off from date awarded. (when you pay the fine)

Interesting reading ...

http://www.roadsafetyinnovationawards.org.nz/licence/offences-penalties/demerit.html

[Akzle]

hi folks, as a normally mostly law-adibing 45 year old citizen ((...etc))

wow.

there's this key on the right hand side of the keyboard, a big un, it has "enter" on it. you should practice using it.

as far as licence conditions - depends on the cop on the day. i've been stopped on my 750 with no licence, been "done" for no WOF, speeding and failure to present a licence, FAILURE TO DISPLAY AN L PLATE, but not riding out of class / breach of license conditions
>< :facepalm:

simple solution though: don't stop for flashing lights.

[al.]

wow.

there's this key on the right hand side of the keyboard, a big un, it has "enter" on it. you should practice using it.

as far as licence conditions - depends on the cop on the day. i've been stopped on my 750 with no licence, been "done" for no WOF, speeding and failure to present a licence, FAILURE TO DISPLAY AN L PLATE, but not riding out of class / breach of license conditions
>< :facepalm:

simple solution though: don't stop for flashing lights.


why would i have used the 'enter' button? (do some people need engineered micro rests whilst they read or something?) (i do use it to separate distinctly different points within the one post, however)

agreed, it can depend to some degree on the cop on the day, but i'm figuring on considering the maximum possible negative effect and using that to decide my actions

also not stopping for flashing lights isn't likely to be a 'simple' solution at all

cheers tho.

[nodrog]

Just wear your sons of anarchy hoodie and you will be chur as!

[davereid]

91. Cancellation and reinstatement of demerit points--- (1) When 2 years have elapsed since the commission of an offence in respect of which demerit points were recorded, the entry of the points made in respect of that offence ceases to have effect in relation to the person who committed that offence; but if demerit points were recorded in respect of 2 or more offences committed by that person, the entry ceases to have effect when 2 years have elapsed since the commission of the most recent of those offences.

Yep. If you have accumulated sufficient demerits to loose your licence, you don't actually lose it until served by the NZTA. If never served, you can continue to drive legally.

So if the NZTA don't know your address, and you don't get served for two years, demerits fall away.

It may be a little inconvenient of course if served on side of road by a policeman !

[Akzle]

It may be a little inconvenient of course if served on side of road by a policeman !

i don't believe the police carry the paperwork or authority to serve you notice that you have exceeded your demerit balance.
asides, you should never accept any paperwork from them (includes "tickets", it's not like they're ever going to be handing out cheques.

the maximum possible negative effect? the cop missed the lunchtime doughnut specials and hasn't had coffee. he is going to issue an infringement notice for everything that is perceptibly (and several things speculatively) wrong with your bike, take you to the station for further questioning, take your bike keys, have your bike towed (at your final expense), have demerits added to your license, your license suspended for 28 days pending a court hearing whereby it will be revoked indefinitely because you couldn't afford a good enough lawyer, your kids will get sick, you'll get pulled over driving them to hospital and get locked up, they'll get taken to cyfs, your wife will leave you for this (and end up with sole custody), your dog will get hit by the rubbish truck, they won't collect your rubbish, the council will issue a notice and fine for roadside littering, the bank will foreclose your mortgage on account of the wife leaving and council harrassment and you not making payments because you're in jail... and you'll get bum raped in prison while awaiting sentencing.

or. you're kimdotcom welathy and can afford to make an ass of the cops, lawyers, politicians and whole system entirely.

got ca$h?

[FJRider]

Yep. If you have accumulated sufficient demerits to loose your licence, you don't actually lose it until served by the NZTA. If never served, you can continue to drive legally.

So if the NZTA don't know your address, and you don't get served for two years, demerits fall away.

It may be a little inconvenient of course if served on side of road by a policeman !

The "Notice" they serve you is simple ...

You present your drivers license ... they say ... I'm sorry Sir/Madam, your drivers license has been cancelled due to excessive demerit points. Enjoy the walk home.

[duckonin]

i don't believe the police carry the paperwork or authority to serve you notice that you have exceeded your demerit balance.
asides, you should never accept any paperwork from them (includes "tickets", it's not like they're ever going to be handing out cheques.

the maximum possible negative effect? the cop missed the lunchtime doughnut specials and hasn't had coffee. he is going to issue an infringement notice for everything that is perceptibly (and several things speculatively) wrong with your bike, take you to the station for further questioning, take your bike keys, have your bike towed (at your final expense), have demerits added to your license, your license suspended for 28 days pending a court hearing whereby it will be revoked indefinitely because you couldn't afford a good enough lawyer, your kids will get sick, you'll get pulled over driving them to hospital and get locked up, they'll get taken to cyfs, your wife will leave you for this (and end up with sole custody), your dog will get hit by the rubbish truck, they won't collect your rubbish, the council will issue a notice and fine for roadside littering, the bank will foreclose your mortgage on account of the wife leaving and council harrassment and you not making payments because you're in jail... and you'll get bum raped in prison while awaiting sentencing.

or. you're kimdotcom welathy and can afford to make an ass of the cops, lawyers, politicians and whole system entirely.

got ca$h?

Hey Akzel what shit have you been into tonight ? Must be fucken good, it seems to of fucked your head !!!!:eek:

[Akzle]

Hey Akzel what shit have you been into tonight ? Must be fucken good, it seems to of fucked your head !!!!:eek:

these fucken spike's red. barley ale. damn good drop. plus i haven't had my smokes on me all day, and didn't have coffee this morning. it's been one of those days.

DID however, get about 25 pound of sugar snaps this season.

[rastuscat]

Hey Akzel what shit have you been into tonight ? Must be fucken good, it seems to of fucked your head !!!!:eek:

Personally hadn't noticed much difference. Just the usual Akzle stuff.

[Danzano]

why would i have used the 'enter' button? (do some people need engineered micro rests whilst they read or something?)

Awesome

Lmfao

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[helbnd]

I speed read this so apologies if it's been said before...

To the OP, you say you have 40 demerits left?

Last time I was ticketed for breach of license I was advised that the associated demerit points value was 35... This does not leave you with much leeway at all.

I also missed out thanks to the recent legislation and had to decide if it was worth getting a bigger bike when my zxr gave up the ghost or stick within the realms of learner legal. I stuck with a learner bike - at 100 dollars the fine is pitiful but those demerits add up real quick and i really like having a license

[Dangsta]

interesting, although my points were issued due to separate offences (and i rang ltnz the other day and got the different dates on which they fall off)

Hey Al
Why don't you just pop down to the cop shop and ask them what the worst possible infringement could be for your situation? Surely they'd be the best people to ask and its certainly quicker than going onto the KB forum or trying to interpret complex legislation.
You're welcome.