Police abuse driver

[davereid]

I posted in here some time back an experience I had between Foxton and Bulls where a cop pulled over a rider in a group I was with and threw the book at him.

In my opinion for no reason, as we were riding together, and no one was speeding, although a ticket for 120+ was written out by the policeman.

I was watching proceedings when the cop told me to fuck off or he would take my licence and bike for 28 days under boy racer legislation.

It seems that it may not be that uncommon in the area for cops to behave like this.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8055436/Officers-abuse-of-teen-driver-on-tape

A policeman's expletive-laden tirade at a teenage driver is under investigation by the independent police watchdog after being caught on tape.

The officer called the 16-year-old a "dickhead" and "idiot" and repeatedly used the f-word during the stop, apparently because he believed the boy had pulled the finger at him.

He was so close during the outburst some of his spittle landed on the young man's face.

"I thought he was going to hit me," said Dyllan Vaughan, the driver.

"Every time I see a police officer now I feel nervous."

Vaughan, an apprentice butcher from Foxton, was driving home from work on September 3 when the officer put on his lights and pulled him over in North St. Unbeknown to Vaughan, his iPhone was on and recording. He said he'd left it on after taping a song from the radio earlier. The audio captures the exchange between the two, which begins with the officer demanding to see Vaughan's licence and asking why he thinks he's been pulled over.

"I don't know officer," Vaughan says.

The officer replies: "Yes you f.....g do. Why'd I f.....g pull you over, dickhead?"

When Vaughan tells the officer to watch his language, the policeman then calls him an idiot, and accuses him of gesturing towards him.

"I wouldn't do that," Vaughan says.

"Bullshit," the officer says. "I catch you doing that sort of bullshit again and I'll go over your car and I'll find as much trouble as I can for you."

Vaughan said the officer then threw the licence back at him and sped off. He denies giving the cop the middle finger.

"I don't know what his problem was. But I felt really intimidated. When someone comes to the window and starts abusing you and they're supposed to be a respected member of the public, it doesn't feel great," he said.

Vaughan's father, Peter Vaughan, said he thought the officer's behaviour was disgusting.

"He's a 16-year-old boy who's just got his licence," he said. "If you or I did it, it would be called gross misconduct."

The family have since made a complaint to the Independent Police Conduct Authority, which confirmed it was investigating. The family did not yet know the officer's name.

Auckland barrister Nicholas Taylor, who has also heard the tape and gave some advice to the family, said no matter what police thought Vaughn had done, he should not have been treated that way. "How can the police expect a young person to show police respect if they're going to behave like that?"

Taylor said he found it particularly concerning that the officer had made a threat against Vaughn, saying if he pulled him over again he would "go over his car and find trouble" for him.

"That brings up grave concerns for me. I find this sort of behaviour from a member of the New Zealand Police very disappointing."

A police spokesman confirmed the complaint had been passed to IPCA. "We take all complaints seriously," she said.

Police had no further comment.

[Owl]

Smart arse little shit + stupid cop = Meh!

[MSTRS]

IPCA answer..."That could be anyone's voice on that recording. Our members do not act like that. No case"

[wasiler]

We don't know the full story. We did not see if that kid did or did not give him the finger. My question is, why did he feel it necessary to record the conversation? Maybe he knew exactly why he was being pulled over and this would be an excuse to deny it on tape? and of course he will never admit to committing a crime when he knows the conversation is being taped. Is it against the law in NZ to insult an officer?

[nzspokes]

Cool story bro.

But bullshit. What kid records songs from the radio with his phone? He set the cop up. Hes after his 15mins of fame.

Should have taken his shitbox 4wd off him and crushed it.

[DMNTD]

We don't know the full story. We did not see if that kid did or did not give him the finger. My question is, why did he feel it necessary to record the conversation? Maybe he knew exactly why he was being pulled over and this would be an excuse to deny it on tape? and of course he will never admit to committing a crime when he knows the conversation is being taped. Is it against the law in NZ to insult an officer?

With some of the shit that a minority of Police try and get away with (from what I have experienced/seen) ,recording it can be a good idea.
However in this case it could have been quite easily been a case of a smug lil gimp being a smart arse and the cop reacting unprofessionally.

[JimO]

a few years back i saw a mate waiting on a bus so i stopped on the bus stop to give him a ride, the cop car behind me stopped beside me and the passenger side cop said "are you a bus" i said no he then said "get off the fuckin bus stop then" and drove off, if they hadnt stopped beside me i would have already been off the fuckin bus stop, wether the kid set the cop up or not the cop was out of line and need a arse kicking

[meteor]

So we're all assuming it was a cop that was recorded and not just a staged prank... any video?
And IF it is, then why was the kid recording... using a phone in the car... innocently accused... yeah whatever!

Would be good if all those incidents that cops attend and do well and help people, change lives etc got some media, but then again those are the good people who don't whine and whinge at every opportunity I spose'.

[Road kill]

I've seen the odd cop get a bit short with people,,,but "never" without reason.

[Woodman]

Huh?? don't understand the first post. the cop pulled them over for no reason, but a ticket for 120+ was written out:weird:

And oooooh so the wee tyke got sworn at, diddums. :tugger:

[FJRider]

... Is it against the law in NZ to insult an officer?

Actually it is ... subject to a $500 fine. A charge seldom used by itself ... as most judges throw it out on appearance in court. But is often added as weight ... to other charges (like resisting arrest/disorderly/drunken conduct etc)

[Akzle]

a cop has about 10 seconds to make an impression on me, and that will decide whether i stick a tape recorder in their face or not.
public place, legally public office (constable), it's not illegal to take photos or record events. i think everyone should.
(check out "police abuse in NZ" on youtube, for the lulz)

if he hadn't, you fogies would dismiss him, much as you have, and of course three good cops stand up in court, yes your honour, no your honour, tongue your arse your honour, no evidence ot the contrary your honour, and the kid gets the bum deal.

remeber that little cunt in primary school, the scrappy one, who didn't really have any mates, thought he was tough shit but still got beat up heaps?
yeah, that's the average cop.
there ARE good ones out there, but they're a fucking rarity.

probably 99% of the complaints to the "independent" (:killingme: ) PCA, get thrown back to the cops, where it's yes boss, no boss, tongue your ass boss, no evidence to the contrary, cbf actually investigating, and a polite fuck-you letter to the complainant.

[Woodman]

remeber that little cunt in primary school, the scrappy one, who didn't really have any mates, thought he was tough shit but still got beat up heaps?
yeah, that's the average cop.
there ARE good ones out there, but they're a fucking rarity.

probably 99% of the complaints to the "independent" (:killingme: ) PCA, get thrown back to the cops, where it's yes boss, no boss, tongue your ass boss, no evidence to the contrary, cbf actually investigating, and a polite fuck-you letter to the complainant.

Are you just making shit up ??

[Madness]

Are you just making shit up ??

It took you a while but you got there eventually :niceone:

[Fatjim]

Gotta say I'm not surprised. There's some real arseholes out there, and some of them get in the police.

After the last guy who pulled me over I've decided if I ever get pulled over again I'm recording the conversation.

[scumdog]

Are you just making shit up ??

Emphasis on 'shit'<_<

He's pretty predictable eh...:rolleyes:

[Edbear]

Emphasis on 'shit'<_<

He's pretty predictable eh...:rolleyes:

And I'm not so sure about the "pretty" bit either... :rolleyes:

[Zedder]

Huh?? don't understand the first post. the cop pulled them over for no reason, but a ticket for 120+ was written out:weird:

And oooooh so the wee tyke got sworn at, diddums. :tugger:

Yep lol, the cop pulled up a bunch of bikers (ie potential witnesses) for no reason and a speeding ticket magically appeared for no reason.

Then, a cop possibly broke the police code of conduct and a citizen possibly gave him no reason to do so but the cop was possibly taped swearing at him. What is the world coming to?

Meanwhile a border collie waits.....

[kevie]

i stopped on the bus stop to give him a ride, the cop car behind me stopped beside me and the passenger side cop said "are you a bus" i said no he then said "get off the fuckin bus stop then"

YET ........... the CVIU in Hamilton stop trucks on the 2 bus stops at Te Rapa to check them ....... I always wonder ... is the issued tickets legal ??? might check and find out .... if its ruled as an illegal obtaining of evidence then maybe they will be ordered to refund all the tickets they have ever handed out on the bus stop?!?!?!
And if I happened to stop on the bus stop for any other reason, I bet they would ticket me for it.


But then ........ in NZ theres the old saying .... a law for them and a law for us.

[Usarka]

Every one bemoans the loss of the good old days where cops could clip a kid around the ears for being a cock.

But now when they try everyone goes all PC.

[infieldg]

Every one bemoans the loss of the good old days where cops could clip a kid around the ears for being a cock.

But now when they try everyone goes all PC.

Exactly! This little shit clearly flipped the cop off to set him up, what a turd. I don't have a very high opinion of our cops in general based on recent experiences but I know unfair when I see it and if the roles were reversed this would be called 'entrapment'.

In my loooong experience if a cop swears, he's about to let you off for something you deserve - it's the polite sanctimonous ones that screw you over.

I remember officer Jim Harland smacking me on the forehead 20 years ago saying "Don't let me catch you doing that again!" - now THAT was policing! I swear I was so scared of letting him down I drove slowly for weeks :)

He'd have been done for assault now and lost his job - me, I prefer the old way!

[Zedder]

Exactly! This little shit clearly flipped the cop off to set him up, what a turd. I don't have a very high opinion of our cops in general based on recent experiences but I know unfair when I see it and if the roles were reversed this would be called 'entrapment'.

In my loooong experience if a cop swears, he's about to let you off for something you deserve - it's the polite sanctimonous ones that screw you over.

I remember officer Jim Harland smacking me on the forehead 20 years ago saying "Don't let me catch you doing that again!" - now THAT was policing! I swear I was so scared of letting him down I drove slowly for weeks :)

He'd have been done for assault now and lost his job - me, I prefer the old way!

I don't like the idea of cops smacking or abusing anyone but I saw this TV programme about young shitheads being "counselled" loudly by huge nasty convicts in the USA. That seemed to work.

[Edbear]

Exactly! This little shit clearly flipped the cop off to set him up, what a turd. I don't have a very high opinion of our cops in general based on recent experiences but I know unfair when I see it and if the roles were reversed this would be called 'entrapment'.

In my loooong experience if a cop swears, he's about to let you off for something you deserve - it's the polite sanctimonous ones that screw you over.

I remember officer Jim Harland smacking me on the forehead 20 years ago saying "Don't let me catch you doing that again!" - now THAT was policing! I swear I was so scared of letting him down I drove slowly for weeks :)

He'd have been done for assault now and lost his job - me, I prefer the old way!

It's called respect for the law. Something very noticeable by its absence these days.

[Zedder]

It's called respect for the law. Something very noticeable by its absence these days.

Not only respect for the law Ed, but respect in general.

[Flip]

Speaking as one who has been on the recieving end of a snakes rage and an illegal vehicle search on the side of the road. Good on the kid recording the exchange.

All it did for me was make me think twice before I would ever help out the rozza.

[SMOKEU]

Speaking as one who has been on the recieving end of a snakes rage and an illegal vehicle search on the side of the road.


On what grounds did the cop(s) execute the search under?

[Woodman]

On what grounds did the cop(s) execute the search under?

The Oamaru rugby grounds. He was doing donuts on the field.:laugh:

[GrayWolf]

Gotta say I'm not surprised. There's some real arseholes out there, and some of them get in the police.

After the last guy who pulled me over I've decided if I ever get pulled over again I'm recording the conversation.

Yet the funny thing is, last time I got pulled I was speeding,, one of the 4kph tolerance weekends.. following a string of cars at 90-95 kph on the twisty section before the desert road 'proper'... I saw a safe gap, and stooopid decided to overtake,, yup one of our boys in blue came round the 'distant' corner about 3/4 of the way through the manoeuvre. Anyway, I carried on, 'hoping'; and sure enough a couple of minutes later saw a mobile discotheque coming up behind me. I travelled about another 1-1.5k's indicating left till I found a passing/pull over bay and stopped.
As I wear earplugs I had to remove my helmet, so just asked him to 'wait a second please' as I took my lid off. He was a very pleasant YOUNG Officer and had a wee natter about my rate of quickosity. At the end I was 'hit' for 112kph, and we both knew I had been doing a little more rapidity than that.. but it was my 'terminal speed' as I was passing the final car's bonnet. Funny thing is I was pleasant towards him, he was equally pleasant towards myself...... Now I do accept I am considered a more 'senior' rider for age...

But I just wonder if there's a moral in this wee story??

[Kendog]

At least the kid was supposedly doing some 'good old days' stuff.
Recording a song off the radio, that brings back some memories.

Doing it today using an iPhone, yeah right.

[curly]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8055436/Officers-abuse-of-teen-driver-on-tape
Fuck me you call that abuse. What a fucking joke.

[Akzle]

On what grounds did the cop(s) execute the search under?

illegal ones :doh:

("reasonable grounds" doesn't actually constitute a lawful search. merely a legal one)

first words to a cop should be " i revoke any consent express or implied you think you have over me or my property and stand under my full natural god given rights, i will not stand under anything you say"

when they ask if you under-stand tha answer is no.

(you have the right to remain silent (silence is consent) you have the right to consult an attourney in private and without delay, do you stand under these rights?
"fuck no, i have heaps more rights than that, asshole.")

fun fact - 100% of cops i've met can't tell me why they use the words they do.

[scumdog]

I suspect the above another 'useful' posting by Akzle - probably about what 'he' would do/has done...:rolleyes:

[Fatjim]

Yet the funny thing is, last time I got pulled I was speeding,, one of the 4kph tolerance weekends.. following a string of cars at 90-95 kph on the twisty section before the desert road 'proper'... I saw a safe gap, and stooopid decided to overtake,, yup one of our boys in blue came round the 'distant' corner about 3/4 of the way through the manoeuvre. Anyway, I carried on, 'hoping'; and sure enough a couple of minutes later saw a mobile discotheque coming up behind me. I travelled about another 1-1.5k's indicating left till I found a passing/pull over bay and stopped.
As I wear earplugs I had to remove my helmet, so just asked him to 'wait a second please' as I took my lid off. He was a very pleasant YOUNG Officer and had a wee natter about my rate of quickosity. At the end I was 'hit' for 112kph, and we both knew I had been doing a little more rapidity than that.. but it was my 'terminal speed' as I was passing the final car's bonnet. Funny thing is I was pleasant towards him, he was equally pleasant towards myself...... Now I do accept I am considered a more 'senior' rider for age...

But I just wonder if there's a moral in this wee story??

Are you joking??? Where is your logic. All you've proved is that it is POSSIBLE to have a reasonable interaction with a Police officer. WTF??

I've seen this too. But I've also seen cops make shit up on more than one occasion, I've been sworn at by Police because I haven;t lain down and taken it up the arse, I've been ticketed and the Police have refused to tell me the details of what I have supposedly done.

On the whole, the cops in this country are great to have around, but if you somehow get on the wrong side of them then you are fucked. I've seen upstanding law abiding trustworthy people get absolutely shafted by the Police.

On the whole, we are a country without corruption, but standing by with your head in the sand when shit like this happens is the wrong thing to do. The longer people spend in the police, the more cynical and unsympathetic they seem to get. We should never put up with abuse of power by anyone, and those police that try very hard to act professionally, and love the job they do should be more willing to weed this stuff out, rather then pretend it doesn't happen.

[scumdog]

, and those police that try very hard to act professionally, and love the job they do should be more willing to weed this stuff out, rather then pretend it doesn't happen.

We do....<_<

[jasonu]

a cop has about 10 seconds to make an impression on me, and that will decide whether i stick a tape recorder in their face or not.
public place, legally public office (constable), it's not illegal to take photos or record events. i think everyone should.
(check out "police abuse in NZ" on youtube, for the lulz)

if he hadn't, you fogies would dismiss him, much as you have, and of course three good cops stand up in court, yes your honour, no your honour, tongue your arse your honour, no evidence ot the contrary your honour, and the kid gets the bum deal.

remeber that little cunt in primary school, the scrappy one, who didn't really have any mates, thought he was tough shit but still got beat up heaps?
yeah, that's the average cop.
there ARE good ones out there, but they're a fucking rarity.

probably 99% of the complaints to the "independent" (:killingme: ) PCA, get thrown back to the cops, where it's yes boss, no boss, tongue your ass boss, no evidence to the contrary, cbf actually investigating, and a polite fuck-you letter to the complainant.

Any self respecting cop would take your tape recorder (really grand dad, tape recorder?) and stick it right up your arse.

[98tls]

but standing by with your head in the sand when shit like this happens is the wrong thing to do. The longer people spend in the police, the more cynical and unsympathetic they seem to get.

:laugh::laugh:Your a fucking genius:niceone:Take a look around next time your out and about eh,Mary Poppins blew away years ago and Gollywogs are no longer acceptable,Cops becoming cynical:nono:surely not.

[98tls]

Any self respecting cop would take your tape recorder (really grand dad, tape recorder?) and stick it right up your arse.

Not bad but far better to stick it down his throat eh least that would stop the shit coming outta 2 holes.

[Mom]

It took you a while but you got there eventually :niceone:

He is a bit of Miss Understood idiot really. Gamer, weed smoking waster, who fancies himself as a keyboard warrior, I reckon. I would love to meet him face to face, at least when he meets me he knows what he is getting LOL. I recall meeting Idol-idle-eye what have you once. He asked me what I thought of him IRL, I said "wanker" :rofl:

His response was purest GOLD! He called me a lesbian :gob:

[Ocean1]

We do....<_<

Yeah, I gota admit that by and large you get it more right down there. In my experience, anyway.

But I've had one or two encounters with arseholes in blue elsewhere that were really out of line. At least one of them subsequentially decided, on mature reflection that the job wasn't really his cuppa.

We've got one of the least corrupt forces in the world, but bejaysus the occasional arsehole can do some damage.

[Mom]

Hey Scummy! Indeed, it is not unknown for plod to persecute young drivers. I have a friend that actually went out at night and drove his sons car around. What transpired was a real eye opener to him.

My daughter used to get pulled up all the time for having a car load of people onboard at night. She is a tiny woman, just over 5' tall. Never drove pissed, or outside her restrictions. In our community it should have been easy to log her car and leave it alone, but no. She got stopped time and time again, by really aggressive, angry cops.

I have met one up here recently. Please dont think all cops are the same as you, they are not.

[Fatjim]

Any self respecting cop would take your tape recorder (really grand dad, tape recorder?) and stick it right up your arse.
What kind of shit are you smoking??

[mashman]

Yeah, I gota admit that by and large you get it more right down there. In my experience, anyway.

But I've had one or two encounters with arseholes in blue elsewhere that were really out of line. At least one of them subsequentially decided, on mature reflection that the job wasn't really his cuppa.

And that is how you get off a ticket ladies and gentlemen.

[Akzle]

Any self respecting cop would take your tape recorder (really grand dad, tape recorder?) and stick it right up your arse.
yeah. tape recorder. badass eh?
and no, as uteless and illegal as the cops are, i've yet to have one lay a hand on me. (i use big words, i think it confuses the wee dears)

He is a bit of Miss Understood idiot really. Gamer, weed smoking waster, who fancies himself as a keyboard warrior, I reckon. I would love to meet him face to face, at least when he meets me he knows what he is getting LOL. I recall meeting Idol-idle-eye what have you once. He asked me what I thought of him IRL, I said "wanker" :rofl:

His response was purest GOLD! He called me a lesbian :gob:

cest moi, cherie??

i'm NOT a gamer.
if you want to meet me, i'll PM you next time i'm heading through and you can buy me a beer at les hotêl.

(if you're a lesbian, bring the old girl, we'll make a time of it :D)

[Fatjim]

Your a fucking genius:niceone:

I'm not sure you're qualified to make that statement. But then anybody that's smart probably looks like a genius to you.

[Mom]

cest moi, cherie??
i'm NOT a gamer.
if you want to meet me, i'll PM you next time i'm heading through and you can buy me a beer at les hotêl.


Ok, so not a Gamer, I got that wrong, but a def weed smoking waster. No desire to meet you mate, it will happen one day when you least expect it :devil2: Buy you a beer? :laugh:

[Akzle]

Ok, so not a Gamer, I got that wrong, but a def weed smoking waster. No desire to meet you mate, it will happen one day when you least expect it :devil2: Buy you a beer? :laugh:

i'd pass a drug test right now.
last smoked weed.... huh, 6 months, maybe more.

happy to mouth off until you gotta put your nuts on the table, huh?

[98tls]

I'm not sure you're qualified to make that statement. But then anybody that's smart probably looks like a genius to you.

:niceone:Shit thats me told.

[GrayWolf]

I'm not sure you're qualified to make that statement. But then anybody that's smart probably looks like a genius to you.

Geeeze Jim, you aren't related to Akzle are you? Either that or you ingested/smoked some really bad 'shit'. No I wasnt joking, simply pointing out that as our dear 'friend'? akzle states, you have 10 seconds to make an impression.... and the Police I knew all agreed that 95% of road users they stopped would 'decide' the second they opened their pie holes, whether a ticket, warning, or a ticket blitz was warranted.
Yes any job has arseholes in it... but I would imagine if you spent every working day dealing with wankers, loudmouths, anti social tossers, your tolerance level would get pretty low as well.

[SPman]

It's called respect for the law. Something very noticeable by its absence these days. And in many cases, deservedly so! We run a camera in the car now - to many gung ho wanker cops over here.
I've also been pulled by a cop in NZ, for no reason other than being on the road late at night (had to go and pick up my sister in law from work - matron at a rest home) He was quite pushy, and when my wife asked if anything was wrong he told her to shut up or he'd book her for obstruction! WTF! It was only when the sister in law in full uniform leaned over in the back seat and told him she would like to get home sometime soon, thank you, that he threw my licence back in the car and stormed off. It was not a pleasant experience.
Notice you all jump down the young guys throat - lots of holier than thou statements being made!
Must all know him personally, eh?

[Nova.]

Don't get me wrong, ive had my share of good cops, but then you get the shit cops and they are just absolute wankers.

[davereid]

At the end I was 'hit' for 112kph, and we both knew I had been doing a little more rapidity than that..

Interesting that even a "positive" report of interaction with a policeman involved a level of fiction with regard to the actual speed recorded on the ticket !

[Road kill]

Interesting that even a "positive" report of interaction with a policeman involved a level of fiction with regard to the actual speed recorded on the ticket !

Really gave your self away with that one didn't ya':doh:

[davereid]

Really gave your self away with that one didn't ya':doh:

If you mean that I showed I don't have universal trust of police you are absolutely correct.

And I'm in good company. A dozen others in the thread feel the same way.

Thats a pretty telling outcome for a thread with only four pages.

[red mermaid]

I really really do need to get to the Horowhenua more often. :Police:



If you mean that I showed I don't have universal trust of police you are absolutely correct.

And I'm in good company. A dozen others in the thread feel the same way.

Thats a pretty telling outcome for a thread with only four pages.

[Banditbandit]

If you mean that I showed I don't have universal trust of police you are absolutely correct.

And I'm in good company. A dozen others in the thread feel the same way.

Thats a pretty telling outcome for a thread with only four pages.

Yes - I too have a healthy mistrust of the police - developed as a result of my previosu experiences with the popo ...

I can't believe how many posters in this thread are on the side of the police and not the young person ... I've been accused by a cop of flipping him the bird when I did not ... and I know a couple of other people who have had the same experience ...

Look, I don't blagg all cops - some are good, some are bad ... I just don't have the unswerving faith in all our police that some people here seem to ... I'll reserve judgement on individual cops until they show me whether they are good or bad ...

[davereid]

I really really do need to get to the Horowhenua more often. :Police:

We have enough dishonest police here already thanks.

[Fatjim]

Geeeze Jim, you aren't related to Akzle are you? Either that or you ingested/smoked some really bad 'shit'. No I wasnt joking, simply pointing out that as our dear 'friend'? akzle states, you have 10 seconds to make an impression.... and the Police I knew all agreed that 95% of road users they stopped would 'decide' the second they opened their pie holes, whether a ticket, warning, or a ticket blitz was warranted.
Yes any job has arseholes in it... but I would imagine if you spent every working day dealing with wankers, loudmouths, anti social tossers, your tolerance level would get pretty low as well.

can't disagree with that.

[Road kill]

If you mean that I showed I don't have universal trust of police you are absolutely correct.

And I'm in good company. A dozen others in the thread feel the same way.

Thats a pretty telling outcome for a thread with only four pages.

Telling out come my arse,,what they really mean is that they don't like to admit when their wrong so blame the cop for reflecting their own shitty attitudes straight back at them.

Just like your finding a "level of fiction" in some cop not being the hard arse he could of been.

It must be a hard job if people hate you for being a hard liner,,but also put shit on you if you cut them a break.

So some of them treat people like their just two faced cunts that deserve everything they get,,,well I wonder why that would be huh ?

[scumdog]

If you mean that I showed I don't have universal trust of police you are absolutely correct.

And I'm in good company. A dozen others in the thread feel the same way.

Thats a pretty telling outcome for a thread with only four pages.

Only one dozen?

There's probably a hundred dozen that think differently - and unlike the nay-sayers they can't be naffed saying so...

[FROSTY]

For gosh sakes --AT NO POINT IN TIME has there been any proof whatsoever that the person on the tape was in fact a police officer.
IMO the 16 year old has fabricated the entire conversation.
What will be amusing is if it turns out that no cop cars were in that area when this soposedly happened. OR if he was pulled over for a ticket and camera footage from cctv /the cop car shows the real story.

[Edbear]

For gosh sakes --AT NO POINT IN TIME has there been any proof whatsoever that the person on the tape was in fact a police officer.
IMO the 16 year old has fabricated the entire conversation.
What will be amusing is if it turns out that no cop cars were in that area when this soposedly happened. OR if he was pulled over for a ticket and camera footage from cctv /the cop car shows the real story.

Not so fast, mate! :nono: This is KB where it is the "way" to make judgements based on as few facts and as little information as can be had. Not only that, but the judgements must be couched in as forceful and derogitory terms as possible and by extenuation, blast all with the same shotgun appraoch if they dare disagree with you!

Haven't you been around long enough to realise that one must never let the facts get in the way of a rant? :doh:

[red mermaid]

Meet davereid he likes facts, opps sorry used the wrong word....ranting.



We have enough dishonest police here already thanks.

[Woodman]

Telling out come my arse,,what they really mean is that they don't like to admit when their wrong so blame the cop for reflecting their own shitty attitudes straight back at them.

Just like your finding a "level of fiction" in some cop not being the hard arse he could of been.

It must be a hard job if people hate you for being a hard liner,,but also put shit on you if you cut them a break.

So some of them treat people like their just two faced cunts that deserve everything they get,,,well I wonder why that would be huh ?

Too right, the cop gave the guy a break and gets a hard time for being dishonest:weird::weird:, maybe the cops should never ever give us breaks ever again, would that be better?. Seriously I thought that this type of (we are motorcyclists so we have special rights) type of biker had died off years ago.

[FJRider]

Not only that, but the judgements must be couched in as forceful and derogitory terms as possible and by extenuation, blast all with the same shotgun appraoch if they dare disagree with you!



And if that fails .... you red rep them ... :msn-wink:


That learns 'em ... :laugh:

[Edbear]

And if that fails .... you red rep them ... :msn-wink:


That learns 'em ... :laugh:

Oh definitely! Red reps cut to the heart! Especially from those who are immature haters and who's opinion one really couldn't care less about... :rolleyes:

[Oakie]

No one has mentioned the parents. Even if the youth's story is 100% true, who the feck lawyers up because someone had a wee swear at junior. Jeez! I'm picking if this did actually take place and isn't a setup, junior did flip the bird at popo but that his attitude is probably a product of his anti-popo parents so the behaviour is ingrained and probably supported by ma and pa ... hence their hurry to discuss it with a lawyer.

Of course I could be wrong.

[Banditbandit]

For gosh sakes --AT NO POINT IN TIME has there been any proof whatsoever that the person on the tape was in fact a police officer.
IMO the 16 year old has fabricated the entire conversation.
What will be amusing is if it turns out that no cop cars were in that area when this soposedly happened. OR if he was pulled over for a ticket and camera footage from cctv /the cop car shows the real story.


No one has mentioned the parents. Even if the youth's story is 100% true, who the feck lawyers up because someone had a wee swear at junior. Jeez! I'm picking if this did actually take place and isn't a setup, junior did flip the bird at popo but that his attitude is probably a product of his anti-popo parents so the behaviour is ingrained and probably supported by ma and pa ... hence their hurry to discuss it with a lawyer.

Of course I could be wrong.

I'm sorry - why do people think, as in the above two examples, that the young person did flip the cop the bird? Or that it was a setup?

I've been on the receiving end of such a false accusation by a cop - and other people's whose word I trust have also been opn the receiving end of such an accusation ...

I'm not inclined to make a judgement on this one either way - BUT I have seen police behave in exactly the way the young person suggests. I have no reason to believe the young person is lying - but equally I have no reason to beliee he is telling the truth ... his story, to me, from experience, is plausible at least ...

Are you so middle class that you think a police officer woudl not behave in that way?

A colleague I work with drove her son's car aroudn town one evening/night .. and was a little shocked that she kept being stopped by police officers - who were very surprised to see a middle aged white woman driving the car ... (her husband is Māori so you dan guess how her sons look) .. She now has a better undersdtanding of how her son is treated by the popos ... some of you could learn a lot by tryign the same thing ..

[imdying]

I'm sorry - why do people think, as in the above two examples, that the young person did flip the cop the bird?Probably because he sounded like a smarmy little prick that deserved a smack in the chops.

I have no doubt that not only did he flip the copper off, but didn't record shite from the radio. What he needs is a good phone booking by a couple of the boys in blue, and his old man needs to get a big black dick up him.

Now having said that, that officer is an unprofessional dick head who needs to be demoted a few notches and to undertake some dealing with other dick heads training. Either that or he needs to be sacked from front line policing.

[FROSTY]

Sorry bandit bandit but my opinion is based on being a parent of a 16 year old,14 year old and haveing current interaction with them and their circle of freinds/associates.Im also pheriphically involved with the local community policing.
Nothing to do with being upper/lower middle class. Just about being a parent.
I won't go into a rant here but basicly Im much more inclined to believe a police officers story that that of a 16 year old.

[Road kill]

I'm sorry - why do people think, as in the above two examples, that the young person did flip the cop the bird? Or that it was a setup?

I've been on the receiving end of such a false accusation by a cop - and other people's whose word I trust have also been opn the receiving end of such an accusation ...

I'm not inclined to make a judgement on this one either way - BUT I have seen police behave in exactly the way the young person suggests. I have no reason to believe the young person is lying - but equally I have no reason to beliee he is telling the truth ... his story, to me, from experience, is plausible at least ...

Are you so middle class that you think a police officer woudl not behave in that way?

A colleague I work with drove her son's car aroudn town one evening/night .. and was a little shocked that she kept being stopped by police officers - who were very surprised to see a middle aged white woman driving the car ... (her husband is Māori so you dan guess how her sons look) .. She now has a better undersdtanding of how her son is treated by the popos ... some of you could learn a lot by tryign the same thing ..

Could you please include a few more stereotypes in your little story,,,you were being a bit vague there mate.

BTW,,,I'm rather brown myself "I live in South Auckland and I drive an 83 Nissan "Prime target" but I don't keep getting stopped by the police when I drive into Manukau city at night.

So forgive me if I call BULLSHIT.

[Banditbandit]

Could you please include a few more stereotypes in your little story,,,you were being a bit vague there mate.

BTW,,,I'm rather brown myself "I live in South Auckland and I drive an 83 Nissan "Prime target" but I don't keep getting stopped by the police when I drive into Manukau city at night.

So forgive me if I call BULLSHIT.

I think the point is that people are stereotyping .. Now, I'm not making any judgement weither way - there are two sides - the cops and the young persons .. we do not know who is telling the truth .. I have reasons to believe the young person may be telling the truth and I have reasons to believe the cop may be telling the truth ... (to rephrase it in a different way)

Why do the majority of people here think it is the cop who is telling the truth ???

[imdying]

Why do the majority of people here think it is the cop who is telling the truth ???The arrogant tone of that childs voice, in my experience, is consistent with a disrespectful little fuck wit who would be likely to bait the police.

[Scuba_Steve]

The arrogant tone of that childs voice, in my experience, is consistent with a disrespectful little fuck wit who would be likely to bait the police.

They both sound the same, both of them sound like arrogant fuckers.
The cop no better than the kid, the kid no better than the cop. The only difference between the 2 is one's paid to keep his mouth shut, just like anybody with a job

[imdying]

They both sound the same, both of them sound like arrogant fuckers.
The cop no better than the kid, the kid no better than the cop. The only difference between the 2 is one's paid to keep his mouth shut, just like anybody with a jobYou're not wrong.

[Paul in NZ]

I think its pretty certain 'something' triggered this off. A recording is like a photograph - its a wee snapshot of time and you cant see the area outside the frame...

Theres something stinky about the whole thing and for a teenager to be carrying a tape recorder? Oh please...

[Katman]

Theres something stinky about the whole thing and for a teenager to be carrying a tape recorder? Oh please...

I have an app on my mobile phone that just requires the record button to be pressed.

[puddytat]

I have an app on my mobile phone that just requires the record button to be pressed.

I can do the same on my shitty 63 buck phillips music doodad.....
Its a sign of the times I reckon, shitty people & shitty authorities , both as bad as each other & jumping quick smart to voice thier opinions & rights.
Stress....the norm of today. Progress....Tui.

[duckonin]

Adults have the cheek to tell children to grow up. Fuck all you cunts may as well be fucken 'cops'. You are all making up stories for your own prosecution Get a grip boys your 'all' fucken pathetic. He did this, he did that, not one of you cunts were there for christ sake:facepalm:

Cops are fucken 'arse wipes' they are taught to be that way, if not taught they manage to get there all by themselves.

History of the police force and those working within shows this to be true, beyond doubt.

Yep they will pick on any person. But kids, they are like a bee into a honey pot. When/if you joe public get done in by the ase wipes you will be on here telling all you have changed your mind 'WA wa WA' YEP THAT SHALL BE THE SOUND YOU MAKE. Cops are fucken bullies that tell lots of lies, if not lies, they make it up for their own satisfaction.

Cops have it drilled into them smile at the 'victim' and be polite, that way, the victim will let their guard down and start mouthing off. cops love it when you do that, gives them something to write down for the judge. Say nothing to the pricks not one word, if in the event you do open your mouth make sure it is to only catch a breath of air !!

Now to wait for 'SCUMDOG' Fuck me the name says it all !! He loves to make silly little replys, fits in with his theme of 'trying' to be superior, typical of a cop:laugh:

[Banditbandit]

Adults have the cheek to tell children to grow up. Fuck all you cunts may as well be fucken 'cops'. You are all making up stories for your own prosecution Get a grip boys your 'all' fucken pathetic. He did this, he did that, not one of you cunts were there for christ sake:facepalm:

Cops are fucken 'arse wipes' they are taught to be that way, if not taught they manage to get there all by themselves.

History of the police force and those working within shows this to be true, beyond doubt.

Yep they will pick on any person. But kids, they are like a bee into a honey pot. When/if you joe public get done in by the ase wipes you will be on here telling all you have changed your mind 'WA wa WA' YEP THAT SHALL BE THE SOUND YOU MAKE. Cops are fucken bullies that tell lots of lies, if not lies, they make it up for their own satisfaction.

Cops have it drilled into them smile at the 'victim' and be polite, that way, the victim will let their guard down and start mouthing off. cops love it when you do that, gives them something to write down for the judge. Say nothing to the pricks not one word, if in the event you do open your mouth make sure it is to only catch a breath of air !!

Now to wait for 'SCUMDOG' Fuck me the name says it all !! He loves to make silly little replys, fits in with his theme of 'trying' to be superior, typical of a cop:laugh:

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to duckonin again."

I would not be quite so harsh .. I'd say "Some cops .... "

[GTRMAN]

Adults have the cheek to tell children to grow up. Fuck all you cunts may as well be fucken 'cops'. You are all making up stories for your own prosecution Get a grip boys your 'all' fucken pathetic. He did this, he did that, not one of you cunts were there for christ sake:facepalm:

Cops are fucken 'arse wipes' they are taught to be that way, if not taught they manage to get there all by themselves.

History of the police force and those working within shows this to be true, beyond doubt.

Yep they will pick on any person. But kids, they are like a bee into a honey pot. When/if you joe public get done in by the ase wipes you will be on here telling all you have changed your mind 'WA wa WA' YEP THAT SHALL BE THE SOUND YOU MAKE. Cops are fucken bullies that tell lots of lies, if not lies, they make it up for their own satisfaction.

Cops have it drilled into them smile at the 'victim' and be polite, that way, the victim will let their guard down and start mouthing off. cops love it when you do that, gives them something to write down for the judge. Say nothing to the pricks not one word, if in the event you do open your mouth make sure it is to only catch a breath of air !!

Now to wait for 'SCUMDOG' Fuck me the name says it all !! He loves to make silly little replys, fits in with his theme of 'trying' to be superior, typical of a cop:laugh:


Have you ever thought of switching to decaf?

[imdying]

Cops are fucken 'arse wipes' they are taught to be that way, if not taught they manage to get there all by themselves.

History of the police force and those working within shows this to be true, beyond doubt.

Cops are fucken bullies that tell lots of lies, if not lies, they make it up for their own satisfaction.

Cops have it drilled into them smile at the 'victim' and be polite, that way, the victim will let their guard down and start mouthing off. cops love it when you do that, gives them something to write down for the judge. Say nothing to the pricks not one word, if in the event you do open your mouth make sure it is to only catch a breath of air !!

Now to wait for 'SCUMDOG' Fuck me the name says it all !! He loves to make silly little replys, fits in with his theme of 'trying' to be superior, typical of a cop:laugh:

Jesus... irrational much? :laugh:

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I had a cop be a bit straight with me when I was 16. In fairness, he thought I had an assault rifle :laugh:

[Banditbandit]

Jesus... irrational much? :laugh:




Until the kitten pisses on you ... :yes:

[Zedder]

Adults have the cheek to tell children to grow up. Fuck all you cunts may as well be fucken 'cops'. You are all making up stories for your own prosecution Get a grip boys your 'all' fucken pathetic. He did this, he did that, not one of you cunts were there for christ sake:facepalm:

Cops are fucken 'arse wipes' they are taught to be that way, if not taught they manage to get there all by themselves.

History of the police force and those working within shows this to be true, beyond doubt.

Yep they will pick on any person. But kids, they are like a bee into a honey pot. When/if you joe public get done in by the ase wipes you will be on here telling all you have changed your mind 'WA wa WA' YEP THAT SHALL BE THE SOUND YOU MAKE. Cops are fucken bullies that tell lots of lies, if not lies, they make it up for their own satisfaction.

Cops have it drilled into them smile at the 'victim' and be polite, that way, the victim will let their guard down and start mouthing off. cops love it when you do that, gives them something to write down for the judge. Say nothing to the pricks not one word, if in the event you do open your mouth make sure it is to only catch a breath of air !!

Now to wait for 'SCUMDOG' Fuck me the name says it all !! He loves to make silly little replys, fits in with his theme of 'trying' to be superior, typical of a cop:laugh:

I take it then you'd never go to the cops if your place was burgled or someone harmed your family etc?

[Indoo]

I'd imagine he would just cry about it on the internet.

[scumdog]

Adults have the cheek to tell children to grow up. Fuck all you cunts may as well be fucken 'cops'. You are all making up stories for your own prosecution Get a grip boys your 'all' fucken pathetic. He did this, he did that, not one of you cunts were there for christ sake:facepalm:

Cops are fucken 'arse wipes' they are taught to be that way, if not taught they manage to get there all by themselves.

History of the police force and those working within shows this to be true, beyond doubt.

Yep they will pick on any person. But kids, they are like a bee into a honey pot. When/if you joe public get done in by the ase wipes you will be on here telling all you have changed your mind 'WA wa WA' YEP THAT SHALL BE THE SOUND YOU MAKE. Cops are fucken bullies that tell lots of lies, if not lies, they make it up for their own satisfaction.

Cops have it drilled into them smile at the 'victim' and be polite, that way, the victim will let their guard down and start mouthing off. cops love it when you do that, gives them something to write down for the judge. Say nothing to the pricks not one word, if in the event you do open your mouth make sure it is to only catch a breath of air !!

Now to wait for 'SCUMDOG' Fuck me the name says it all !! He loves to make silly little replys, fits in with his theme of 'trying' to be superior, typical of a cop:laugh:

Total troll failure.

Is that enough of a 'silly little reply'?


BTW; I don't 'try' - I AM superior...:bleh:

(Or is THAT the sort of silly little reply you expected???)

[Berg]

http://www.facebook.com/NZPoliceRecruitment/posts/415352111847667
A Facebook posting from our shocked "innocent" driver (may need Facebook to view).:blink:

[tbs]

What we should be asking, is why did the little bugger have an iphone anyway? He's 16. Those things are expensive. <_<

[scumdog]

http://www.facebook.com/NZPoliceRecruitment/posts/415352111847667
A Facebook posting from our shocked "innocent" driver (may need Facebook to view).:blink:

"We're you parasites.." hmmmm

[tbs]

I got pulled over one night because a cop wanted to see what was in the back seat of my car. It was none of his business of course, but I showed him what it was and went on my way. My mate who was riding with me was incensed, as was his father... a lawyer... when we got to his place. Me?... I didn't care. I went on with my life without getting my panties in a bunch or crying to the media.

Just say'n.

[Edbear]

I got pulled over one night because a cop wanted to see what was in the back seat of my car. It was none of his business of course, but I showed him what it was and went on my way. My mate who was riding with me was incensed, as was his father... a lawyer... when we got to his place. Me?... I didn't care. I went on with my life without getting my panties in a bunch or crying to the media.

Just say'n.

Doncha know this is KB? Bein' relaxed and reasonable has no place on this thread. :confused:

[Oakie]

Doncha know this is KB? Bein' relaxed and reasonable has no place on this thread. :confused:

He is fairly new. He'll get the hang of it in time.

[Dangsta]

I've had occasion to be stopped by the police on both my bike and in my car. Each time I was in the wrong (few k's over the limit, not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign, etc). I've been on the receiving end of a few "chats" and picked up the odd ticket. On every occasion I've found the police to be polite, respectful and professional. I'm sure there's the odd dick out there like in any job but I've yet to meet one. Anyway...I just thought I'd share my perspective.

[Edbear]

I've had occasion to be stopped by the police on both my bike and in my car. Each time I was in the wrong (few k's over the limit, not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign, etc). I've been on the receiving end of a few "chats" and picked up the odd ticket. On every occasion I've found the police to be polite, respectful and professional. I'm sure there's the odd dick out there like in any job but I've yet to meet one. Anyway...I just thought I'd share my perspective.

Funny that. I have yet to meet any other type of cop in over 40 years...

[FJRider]

Funny that. I have yet to meet any other type of cop in over 40 years...

Always polite, respectful, and professional yes. None found any other way. Always honest ... no.

On one occasion (and ONLY one) the 126 km/hr indicated on his machine did not match the 103 km/hr indicated on my GPS as the maximum speed I had attained in the previous two hours.

He then tried to claim my GPS required recalibrating ... :scratch: I believe Jantar has "met" him too ...

[meteor]

A colleague I work with drove her son's car aroudn town one evening/night .. and was a little shocked that she kept being stopped by police officers - who were very surprised to see a middle aged white woman driving the car ... (her husband is Māori so you dan guess how her sons look) .. She now has a better undersdtanding of how her son is treated by the popos ... some of you could learn a lot by tryign the same thing ..

I haven't got a problem with that, what sort of car, what sort of area, what time of the night. Police are supposed to look for suspicious shit and I hope we're not getting that PC that a couple of little dark kids driving around at night or even a middle aged lady driving a boy racer car won't be stopped. That's what we pay them for isn't it? Should they just wait at the station to be called upon... that wouldn't prevent too much crime would it?

[red mermaid]

I believe that this young fella and his father are not strangers to conflict between themselves and the Police.

I also believe he has given a very generic description of the alleged officer, has spoken extensively to the media and his lawyer but is less forthcoming in speaking to the investigators and supplying his phone so that an electronic analysis of the information on it can be examined.

Was it an Iphone he had that has a fitted camera, and stores GPS information for any image and sound files created?

[davereid]

Always polite, respectful, and professional yes. None found any other way. Always honest ... no. On one occasion (and ONLY one) the 126 km/hr indicated on his machine did not match the 103 km/hr indicated on my GPS as the maximum speed I had attained in the previous two hours. He then tried to claim my GPS required recalibrating ... :scratch: I believe Jantar has "met" him too ...

With the exception of one or two, I have actually found the same.

I stand by my comment that I don't have universal trust in the police, and that is a view based on personal experience.

But in fairness I should also make the point that overall, I haven't had this experience. With the exceptions already discussed police have always treated me honestly and fairly.

I guess the issue for me is, that with the massive imbalance in power between the motorist and the policeman on the side of the road, one or two dishonest police have a massive potential to cause harm, and a level of mistrust in the police that hundreds of good cops struggle to correct.

[SS90]

For gosh sakes --AT NO POINT IN TIME has there been any proof whatsoever that the person on the tape was in fact a police officer.
IMO the 16 year old has fabricated the entire conversation.
What will be amusing is if it turns out that no cop cars were in that area when this soposedly happened. OR if he was pulled over for a ticket and camera footage from cctv /the cop car shows the real story.

I agree with some aspects of this.

The likelyhood of this pimple popper having his iphone on "to record a song on the radio" sounds spurious at best, and the way he speaks to the cop (in my opinion) come across as smarmy and over confident. (like someone who had given a cop the finger to invoke a response he intends to record on his iphone.)

I call genuine on the recording, but not on the circumstances as presented to us.

In my opinion, this kid is a fucking dickhead, and the cop should be commended on identifying him as one.

[Brian d marge]

Stupids, every time I talk to the old bill , they always charge for the pleasure,,,
There was one time though , when I broadsided a mini and went through a shoe shop window ( Colombo St glassons?)
I'm on iPhone but will edit later
Anyway , nice man took me home,,but my grandma ( old east end) never let the man inside and he didn't get a cup of tea
Poor sod
But that is what happens when u party naked in the big city

Stephen

[Berg]

I believe that this young fella and his father are not strangers to conflict between themselves and the Police.

I also believe he has given a very generic description of the alleged officer, has spoken extensively to the media and his lawyer but is less forthcoming in speaking to the investigators and supplying his phone so that an electronic analysis of the information on it can be examined.

Was it an Iphone he had that has a fitted camera, and stores GPS information for any image and sound files created?
Caught in a lie he can't back out of? Wouldn't surprise me at all.

[jihema]

Just to bring in some perspective. Some people here believe police is corrupted, and by corrupted I mean not taking bribes etc. but being aggressive, unprofessional, categorizing people (young, brown, motorcyclists etc.). I have seen much worse in other countries; to be honest I had little interaction with cops here but in comparison with the ones who operate, say, in the Paris suburbs, I found the NZ police to be rather courteous and efficient and fair. Cherish the freedom you have in this country, here we still have cops not pigs.

[awa355]

I have an app on my mobile phone that just requires the record button to be pressed.

What is the app? Could be worth having.