petrol prices

[dawnrazor]

Noticed there has been some bitching about rising petrol prices recently, can't think why.
After some searching on the net and quick currency conversions, i felt a little better.
Mainland europe; a litre of Hi-octane unleaded will cost between NZ$1.75 - NZ$2.
England, the same will cost a mighty NZ$2.58.
I don't feel so bad about paying NZ$1.40 now.

That said the USA has on average one of the lowest prices in the NZ$0.80c area, its no wonder they went to war, i'd fight for petrol that cheap anyday.

[Smorg]

I think i'd notice it more if i had a car but i dont so it doesn't really phase me.
Although i did wonder why it cost me $20 to fill my bike on the weekend :weird:

[thehollowmen]

Noticed there has been some bitching about rising petrol prices recently, can't think why.
After some searching on the net and quick currency conversions, i felt a little better.
Mainland europe; a litre of Hi-octane unleaded will cost between NZ$1.75 - NZ$2.
England, the same will cost a mighty NZ$2.58.
I don't feel so bad about paying NZ$1.40 now.

That said the USA has on average one of the lowest prices in the NZ$0.80c area, its no wonder they went to war, i'd fight for petrol that cheap anyday.

When I was in norway a few years ago I think I saw petrol prices in the range of 20-something kroner.. uh.. that's like $5 per litre.

[Smorg]

When I was in norway a few years ago I think I saw petrol prices in the range of 20-something kroner.. uh.. that's like $5 per litre.

Holy Shit!!!!!!
Imagine filling a 4wd

[Lou Girardin]

Yeah great, but we don't live in those countries.
138% increase in profit for one of our oil companies last year - that's extortion.

[SimJen]

you can't compare by converting currencies.
You need to be earning the currency and living in that country for it to be of relevance.
Still America has lots of cheap stuff and its a shame we can't import a tanker or two ourselves :)

[Jonty]

you can't compare by converting currencies.
You need to be earning the currency and living in that country for it to be of relevance.
Still America has lots of cheap stuff and its a shame we can't import a tanker or two ourselves :)

Quite right, you should always think in terms of one for one. The wages in those countries will be a lot higher than ours I can assure you. However, the yanks do have incredibly cheap petrol even on a one to one comparison. It does make you think that if they stoppped those bloody warships for about 30 mins (the non nuclear ones of course) the savings would probably be enough to last NZ for the next 5 years. mutter mutter

[Smorg]

Yo jonty do you know where to pick up indicators for F2's and F3's??

[Smorg]

:weird: Never mind..........dumb question

[Jonty]

Sorry Smorgen, the Cibber is a relatively new acquistion so still sussing out where I can get the best parts (when the need arises). Will let you know if anything comes along in the next while.

[Smorg]

Cheers man i had a wee drive way accident last night and smashed it :whocares:

[Fart]

The difference between NZ and the other major cities is that we dont have a efficient public transport system. The public has no choice but to use our vehicles for transport. The subway in these major cities arrives once every 5-10mins. The time the government puts in an effective and efficient public transport will be the time when we stop bitching about petrol prices. :mad:

[Lou Girardin]

The difference between NZ and the other major cities is that we dont have a efficient public transport system. The public has no choice but to use our vehicles for transport. The subway in these major cities arrives once every 5-10mins. The time the government puts in an effective and efficient public transport will be the time when we stop bitching about petrol prices. :mad:

Haven't been to Wellington lately then?

[thehollowmen]

The difference between NZ and the other major cities is that we dont have a efficient public transport system. The public has no choice but to use our vehicles for transport. The subway in these major cities arrives once every 5-10mins. The time the government puts in an effective and efficient public transport will be the time when we stop bitching about petrol prices. :mad:

Exaccery

Norway's high petrol / license / car cost is because they are encouraging public transport use, and also thier cost of living is higher.

But a 3 month bus pass there isn't expensive and busses run everywhere on time.

[Oakie]

It would be interesting to compare the amount of tax per litre that different country's governments contribute to the cost. I think about half the cost of a litre here is tax in one form or another but I could be wrong. (It is August ... I am due to be wrong about something sooner or later this year :rofl: )

[Beemer]

I must confess I got a bit of a shock today when it cost $16 to fill the tank of the Goose when it went onto reserve. So used to paying about $12 - and how annoying that it STILL isn't enough to collect Fly Buys points!

[Dragon28]

There is this link for what BP quotes as being "The Facts About Fuel Pricing"

They reckon as of April 2005 47.5% goes in taxes

http://www.bp.co.nz/about/pricing/index.html#4

[TwoSeven]

In a lecture I was at today they were discussing hubbert curves (something I had forgotton about - so it pays to turn up to lectures).

Anyhow, the key point is that hubbert takes all the worlds oil supplies and for each company calculates when they will reach their peak of production (that is, there is no more oil to be found). These graphs are all added together to find the world oil supply - the top of the curve (its bell shaped) is called a hubbert peak.

The general concensus (except for the US) is that the peak should be occuring between 2005 and 2010, from which time pretty much all of the oil will have been discovered (or known where it is) and being drilled for.

In economic terms once this happens prices will continue to rise because every barrel taken out of the ground after the peak reduces the supply available (its no longer renewable), so the price will rise as scarcity increases.

Not only does this mean petrol prices will rise, but everything thats made using oil will also rise (synthetics, plastics, clothing, food etc).

You can google on 'Hubbert Peak' to find out more.

[loosebruce]

Petrol prices, eh whatever have to pay it, so i dont bitch about it. BUT........

I went to get gas at shell westgate today, just lifted the pump and the dude came running out and told me to hang it up, huh WTF, oh we are putting the price up now, please wait until we have done it, why cant i just fill up? no sorry please wait, i couldn't be arsed waiting so went down the road to challenge, who was still on the cheaper rate but mobil across the road was at the higher one.

[JohnBoy]

not too fussed at the moment cause i do the main amount of my driving at work and the Gixer runs 91, so it has not really had a major impact on me yet.

but i could only imagine how much extra it would cost to fill my falcon up now... :thud:

[myvice]

Build a ceramic engine (doesn’t were out, runs cooler, light weight, needs no oil) and run it on methanol (can make it yourself, needs little refining, better for the environment)
Lots of engines use methanol as fuel and the Ausse gas is about 10% methanol already (don’t like that idea myself)
A Spanish company has built a ceramic motor, expansive to produce but that wont take long to change.

You can run your standard motor on methanol with a little tinkering (Translation: Full strip-down, then rebuild with different/altered parts) But you have to get ALL of the fuel out of the system every time you intend on leaving it for more than 5mins.
One little drawback with running methanol is sitting behind someone else doing the same thing, your eyes water continuously followed by a runny nose, breathing isn’t something you want to do to much of ether!
Hang around a pit-crew at your local speed way and ask if you can help push the car back in after a run... Go on, its fun! :devil2:

[Timber020]

Over in Mugabeeland the zims are paying 15 bucks a litre, if they can find it

[gav]

I was told at the start of the year that by Xmas time the price would be $1.50 per litre, looks like they werent bullshitting after all.......

[oldfart]

Look at it this way. Even a 1 litre bike getting raped is still more economical than average car. Also, the more petrol prices go up the less sunday bloody sunday drivers there will be on the roads in the weekend. This means more open space for rides & all for less than a yearly golf subscription or boat mooring charges. :2thumbsup :ride:

[hondacmx450]

if all the bikers got to geather and did some thing about it things would change
say if 50 bikers stoped at the top of the harbor bridge in auckland one morrning and 50 at the new market fly over and 20 on the bottom of town and some at the northen sothern change over well that is auckland fucked and do it in hamilton and cristchurch and of corse wellington and so on do it all on the same day and the same time and you watch ppl take notice and if thay dont do it till thay do it would not take long and tell them if thay put some thing else up then it will start all over again
F%^$ THE PETROL COMPANIES
but no one dose any thing about it just like any of you wont cause it might get you told off

[gav]

Most modern cars are very economical, we have a 2004 Toyota Caldina GT Four at work that supposedly uses 6.5 litres per 100km, thats pretty good isnt it? What sort of fuel usage are most getting, personally I have no idea what my bike uses, when it gets low I fill it up, (tripmeter doesnt work, sorry....)

[SARGE]

It would be interesting to compare the amount of tax per litre that different country's governments contribute to the cost. I think about half the cost of a litre here is tax in one form or another but I could be wrong. :rofl: )


when i left the US 4 years ago.. i was paying US$1.20 a GALLON ( 3.8L) of that, 0.45 was tax that was put back into the highway system for maintenence. ( if anyone has ever driven on a US Interstate, they are ( for the most part) smooth, flat and well maintained.. beautiful stretches of 4 lane wide asphalt.. 150+ MPH [240 kph] was not out of the way for a bike for miles on end..)

no dammit.. they are NOT all arrow straight either by the way.. in the 1950s, when the US highway system was born, part of it was paid for by the Military budget, in order to be usd as airstrips and logistical movement.. 1 out of every 5 miles of US interstate is legally required to be straight and flat (useless trivia time!!)

my sister is now paying US$2.30 a gallon and having kittens over it...figuring it out as near as i can,.. we pay about $5.40 a gallon in NZ terms ( gas today being $1.43 / Litre.. she pays US$ 0.60 a litre or so..with the Kiwi $ trading @ 0.71 today.... fuck my brain hurts.. someone do the math.. :weird:

[hondacmx450]

when i left the US 4 years ago.. i was paying US$1.20 a GALLON ( 3.8L) of that, 0.45 was tax that was put back into the highway system for maintenence. ( if anyone has ever driven on a US Interstate, they are ( for the most part) smooth, flat and well maintained.. beautiful stretches of 4 lane wide asphalt.. 150+ MPH [240 kph] was not out of the way for a bike for miles on end..)

no dammit.. they are NOT all arrow straight either by the way.. in the 1950s, when the US highway system was born, part of it was paid for by the Military budget, in order to be usd as airstrips and logistical movement.. 1 out of every 5 miles of US interstate is legally required to be straight and flat (useless trivia time!!)

my sister is now paying US$2.30 a gallon and having kittens over it...figuring it out as near as i can,.. we pay about $5.40 a gallon in NZ terms ( gas today being $1.43 / Litre.. she pays US$ 0.60 a litre or so..with the Kiwi $ trading @ 0.71 today.... fuck my brain hurts.. someone do the math.. :weird:



ILL DO THE MATH WE R GETTING SCREWED BY THE COCKS IN CHARGE OF THIS CUNTRY

[raster]

Used to cost me about $70 week in the subaru, now on the GSX costs about $15, I can think of better things to spend the difference on. :drinkup:

[Milky]

I must confess I got a bit of a shock today when it cost $16 to fill the tank of the Goose when it went onto reserve. So used to paying about $12 - and how annoying that it STILL isn't enough to collect Fly Buys points!

Haha... I was only a couple of cents short of $30 for the R65 tank on Tuesday morning. I remember not so long ago, that amount would fill up a Toyota Corolla :no:

[Brian d marge]

I ride an Enfield ..mind you you could run any vehicle on this stuff ....

Ethanol 85 (http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/)..

Anyway here are the secret undercover plans that will reduce your petrol bill .....

Mind you it looks quite expensive that dino juice in NZ ...

Stephen

[justsomeguy]

Cost $25 to fill my bike with 91oct today......usually used to cost 15-18 max

[Waylander]

Noticed there has been some bitching about rising petrol prices recently, can't think why.
After some searching on the net and quick currency conversions, i felt a little better.
Mainland europe; a litre of Hi-octane unleaded will cost between NZ$1.75 - NZ$2.
England, the same will cost a mighty NZ$2.58.
I don't feel so bad about paying NZ$1.40 now.

That said the USA has on average one of the lowest prices in the NZ$0.80c area, its no wonder they went to war, i'd fight for petrol that cheap anyday.
Not sure if this has been posted yet but the main reason most are upset by the fuel price hike is because it went up to pay to fix auckland roads.

When I first got the bike up and running here in NZ it took $17NZD to fill it from bone dry. Now it takes just shy of $22NZD to fill. Not too much difference but still...

[texmo]

Man it cost me a whole $7.50 for a tank today.....

[TwoSeven]

Most modern cars are very economical, we have a 2004 Toyota Caldina GT Four at work that supposedly uses 6.5 litres per 100km, thats pretty good isnt it? What sort of fuel usage are most getting, personally I have no idea what my bike uses, when it gets low I fill it up, (tripmeter doesnt work, sorry....)

I get 650km on $30 desil in my car and I get 120km for $5 petrol in the krappisaki although I think its happier running 100km/$5.

[MiXeR]

It would be interesting to compare the amount of tax per litre that different country's governments contribute to the cost.

If you're interested, here it's 80% of the price at the pump. If it wasn't for the tax we'd have the cheapest fuel in europe as we're the biggest importer/consumer in western europe.

That's why I go across the border to get gas. :Punk:

[Waylander]

Man it cost me a whole $7.50 for a tank today.....
Yea used to cost me that much (in NZD) to fill my tank, but that was Texas and we had our own oil wells.

[oldfart]

[QUOTE=Waylander]Not sure if this has been posted yet but the main reason most are upset by the fuel price hike is because it went up to pay to fix auckland roads.QUOTE]
And that's the way it should be. Auckland is far more important to NZ than NZ is to Auckland. So you peasants in the provences just go drive round somemore so my 18l V8 doesn't have to drive over bumps no more :devil2: :rofl:

[Sniper]

Hmmm, fuel prices are one of the bains of my life. Thank goodness for the company fuel card :devil2:

[Smorg]

Just take off your plates and go and top up :devil2:
Problem solved :no:

[Oakie]

I booked my bike in for a tune up next week. It would be nice to get the 20kml that other CB400s get rather that the 15.9kml that mine gets. That should save me about $4.20 a week at today's prices.

[Fart]

I must confess I got a bit of a shock today when it cost $16 to fill the tank of the Goose when it went onto reserve. So used to paying about $12 - and how annoying that it STILL isn't enough to collect Fly Buys points!


Dont expect petrol prices to come down anytime soon. High prices are here to stay for good. Wholesale Brent Crude is at an all time high of over $65.00 per barrel. Why else would the Americans be in Iraqi? Just bought some oil stocks last week to make some money on the high oil prices. :Punk:

[Pixie]

Yeah great, but we don't live in those countries.
138% increase in profit for one of our oil companies last year - that's extortion.
Not to mention the 60% tax and the GST take that increases every time the price rises.
Remember this as you walk up to the polling booth :oi-grr:

[DemonWolf]

This was one of the points I went out and got my bike.. travelling 140K's per day for work is just giving the government too much of my money.. I'm sure I pay enough in other taxes to stop paying them in other freakin petrol taxes!

[Lou Girardin]

At least the bastards could kiss us before they shove it up our butts.

[scumdog]

Not to mention the 60% tax and the GST take that increases every time the price rises.
Remember this as you walk up to the polling booth :oi-grr:

Argh, pay 33%PAYE, add 12.5%GST AND add on Road Users TAx and the dollar you earned on you hourly rate has'nt bought much petrol at all eh?

Bloody Gov't and its pandering to minority/non-working/political/arty etc types - spend it on schools, hospital and other good honest reasons ya bastids!!!

[Beemer]

Haha... I was only a couple of cents short of $30 for the R65 tank on Tuesday morning. I remember not so long ago, that amount would fill up a Toyota Corolla :no:

Filled up our Lancer the other day, more than $50 - used to be $45 max if it was already on reserve. At least it's economical - you get about 520kms to a tank (40L). The Goose gets about 25kpl and the Beemer 31 so at least we will still be able to afford to ride! The Goose went onto reserve yesterday at 269kms and it took 11.49L when I filled it up a few kms later, so the 3.4L (15L tank) in reserve is pretty accurate.

[raster]

Argh, pay 33%PAYE, add 12.5%GST AND add on Road Users TAx and the dollar you earned on you hourly rate has'nt bought much petrol at all eh?

Bloody Gov't and its pandering to minority/non-working/political/arty etc types - spend it on schools, hospital and other good honest reasons ya bastids!!!

I agree with you completely SD.

[MD]

Interesting views on Campbell live tonight about the 'peak oil crisis' when all reserves on the planet are being pumped dry but demand continues to grow. I agree with them that we are all headed for a major world shift in life styles. It's always been a case of when not if demand exceeds supply.
So what will happen? Good stuff at first I reckon as greedy buggers using V8s and 4wds to drive 1km to kiddies school or the supermarket will be forced off the road and people, and just maybe Govts, will finally realise there is a place for motorbikes & scooters on our roads. They may be forced promote bikes by lowering rego and insurances etc, instead of viewing us as second rate citizens and a nuisance on the road. Don't know how many on here remember high school car parks in the 70s. Early to mid 70s there were rows of small motorbikes and a few cars (at my school anyway). After the fuel shortages had past came cheap jap car imports that replaced the bikes with students cars.
We might see that reversed again in a few years. Can't see that as a bad thing. Less pollution, less congestion and less boy racer car pile ups and more room on our roads to ride.
We need to penalise large cars commuting with single occupants (guilty myself) and reward/encourage small cars and bikes for inner cities especially.
The London city congestion fee is a good start. Some European cities have banned all cars from CBD.
So the price rises may hurt us all in the pocket but it just has to happen sooner or later.

[Brian d marge]

Agreed a lot of lifestyles will have to change ,,,,Mind you theres that NZ company making plastics from potatoes ,,,our bills the plastic in the envelope is made of Soya .

Ethonal 85 as I have already said ,,,

Finally as has already been said ,,,, bikes arnt actually as eath safe as we may think ...a 1000 cc diesil emissions are quite good ..( better than Monooxides!!)
and can get very high kilos per litre ..( even better if the car is used to capacity ,,,)
Having a look round my place would I miss dino juice ,,a little ,,
I mean is beer made from petrolium...no ... Nowt on tv ..wouldnt miss that ...Internet ,,yes would miss that ...very much ,,,
Racing ..my mx bike can run on Ethonal 85 ..

books ,,,,,nope they are made from trees ,,good quality rainforest trees ..
Bacon sandwiches ,,,nope they come from the bacon sandwich fairy ....

Music ,,,nope that comes from the internet ,,,,

Electricity ,,,nope thats Nuclear ...... so internet safe ,,,,,

Would we really miss gasoline or petrolium??? or is it just an easy way at the mo .....

BTW You can blend Ethanol in any ratio with gasoline ....:devil2:


Stephen

[TwoSeven]

Interesting views on Campbell live tonight about the 'peak oil crisis' when all reserves on the planet are being pumped dry but demand continues to grow. I agree with them that we are all headed for a major world shift in life styles.

This is what I said in an earlier post but I think it was over everyones head to understand :)

[pete376403]

Dont expect petrol prices to come down anytime soon. High prices are here to stay for good. Wholesale Brent Crude is at an all time high of over $65.00 per barrel. Why else would the Americans be in Iraqi? Just bought some oil stocks last week to make some money on the high oil prices. :Punk:
Most of the reason the price is $65/bbl and rising is BECAUSE the US is in Iraq.
Until Georges adventure started the price was fairly stable. Since The US invaded Iraq is producing even less oil than it was before. And the strife the US is causing in Venezuela isn't helping, either.

[campbellluke]

This is what I said in an earlier post but I think it was over everyones head to understand :)

I look forward to your post on Jan 1 2011 when this never happened.

[Zapf]

Most modern cars are very economical, we have a 2004 Toyota Caldina GT Four at work that supposedly uses 6.5 litres per 100km, thats pretty good isnt it? What sort of fuel usage are most getting, personally I have no idea what my bike uses, when it gets low I fill it up, (tripmeter doesnt work, sorry....)

supposedly? Its a 2L turbo.... I would think it use more than that....

I have a Honda Jazz, pretty much one of the more economical car around and that does 17.5km/L around city. A petrol electric hybird might do even better...

[Zapf]

Not sure if this has been posted yet but the main reason most are upset by the fuel price hike is because it went up to pay to fix auckland roads.

When I first got the bike up and running here in NZ it took $17NZD to fill it from bone dry. Now it takes just shy of $22NZD to fill. Not too much difference but still...

no... that is what the goverment told the rest of the country so that Auckland would take the blame for the fuel hike... can't you see they are playing regions against regions?

What happened to all that government surpluses?

[Zapf]

I think the government should really do a carrot and stick approch to gas guzzlers... tax the big V8's and give incentives to smaller more economical cars... and bikes.

I might be voteing the greens just for this... :devil2:

[Waylander]

no... that is what the goverment told the rest of the country so that Auckland would take the blame for the fuel hike... can't you see they are playing regions against regions?

What happened to all that government surpluses?
It's paying off the student loan interest.

[Marmoot]

Petrol price?
I don't bitch about rising petrol price!

I only bitch about tax not going down and my pay not going up :wait:

[Bonez]

Time to drag the cb250rs out of the garden shed and get it back up to spec and road legal me thinks. Mind you 320ks on th GBs 14ltr main is pretty good.

[MikeL]

Well I've got a dinky little Toyota Starlet which is supposed to be super-thrifty. Fill it up for $35. Do 100 km and the needle hardly moves. Next day it's on 1/4. Wtf???
Oh, wait, I think my son might have borrowed it...