Cresting

[Maha]

Would it be prudent or advisable...to brake on this piece of road? (specifically the crest bits?)
For those who don't how to drive the link, left click on arrow and hold, camera view will move forward along the road.
Who, or who would not, is my question?
This is the bit of road I spoke about on that other thread...its between Te Hoe an Tahuna in the Waikato.

http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=2230a+Tahuna+Road,+Te+Hoe&hl=en&ll=-37.518409,175.373272&spn=0.000004,0.004128&sll=-37.518829,175.373272&layer=c&cbp=13,282.98,,0,4.27&cbll=-37.518409,175.373272&hnear=2230A+Tahuna+Rd,+Te+Hoe+3784&t=m&z=19&panoid=t_jG-1tlMA9bGJ8hEVUWsg

[Jantar]

Brake? Probably not. But I would probably slow down for those higher crests, and generally cruise at a speed that allowed me to see the road 9 - 12 seconds ahead.

[sugilite]

The secret is to use a very powerful bike, so you can have a look see over the top, before powerstanding down the other side. :devil2:

[Banditbandit]

The first time I saw it I'd probably back off a little - but not brake . once I was familiar with the road .. not even that ..

[DMNTD]

Deends on a few things with me. If appears to be a bit of a drop I tend to lay a lil bit of front brake to weight the front wheel slightly.
However as I ride a "cruiser" nowdays the need it becoming less and less

[Motu]

I ride that road fairly often - how fast are you going that you have to brake ?

[p.dath]

I don't think I'd be braking. I'd just ride a bit slower since I had never been on it before.

[Str8 Jacket]

I would slow down a tad and be ready to brake if need be, though I am a bit of a nervous rider when I can't see the road ahead and it's surroundings.

[scumdog]

I'd waft along but cautiously - and there's enough gateways/driveways to keep my focussed.

(And going back along the road on the wrong side certainly keeps one on edge...)

[Maha]

I ride that road fairly often - how fast are you going that you have to brake ?

I started this thread because of a post I made in another about following a guy on that bit of road.

''I used the word slowed where I should have used the word braked.
I was two up at the time, I am fairly cautious rider and even Anne was tapping me on the back to get passed him.
He struggled to maintain 100kph for the time I was behind him.

In summary, he was a nuisance''.

[Drew]

Standing on the pegs, with the front wheel up, I would have no trouble seeing over those crests. So, no.

[scumdog]

I started this thread because of a post I made in another about following a guy on that bit of road.

''I used the word slowed where I should have used the word braked.
I was two up at the time, I am fairly cautious rider and even Anne was tapping me on the back to get passed him.
He struggled to maintain 100kph for the time I was behind him.

In summary, he was a nuisance''.

So..you knew the road and he didn't?

[Maha]

So..you knew the road and he didn't?

I know it yes, I have no idea who the other rider was.
It is a cresting bit of road, but they are not 10 mts high, Motu may even agree that the visabillity is fine.
One could happily sit on 100 and have a worry, but to be doing less than that and braking on the up of the crest was (as I said in the other thread) unnerving.

[Crasherfromwayback]

So all of you mattress munching homo's that slow down for crests...would you also do so in your car? If not, why not? If so...get off the fucking road.

[Brian d marge]

google doesnt seem to do it justice the crests doesn't seem high

100 km/h seems fine but ,,,, all depends

Stephen

[Ocean1]

left click on arrow and hold, camera view will move forward along the road.

You bloody maniac! Get on your own side of the road!



And no, I saw cars in ever dip well before I reached the crest.
Also, I'm with Drew. I can't wheelie the Buell at 100k but just standing on the Uly makes your horizon stretch a long way.

[Maha]

You bloody maniac! Get on your own side of the road!



And no, I saw cars in ever dip well before I reached the crest.
Also, I'm with Drew. I can't wheelie the Buell at 100k but just standing on the Uly makes your horizon stretch a long way.

I was going to load it going the other way but there is a truck in front the whole length of the 2.5km stretch of road, so I turned it around, same but different.

[caseye]

It's a good bit of road, I rode it again on Saturday last, love it. Lot's of driveways on it and keeping eyes and ears, as well as hands over levers is a good idea.
There are a couple of corners where the indicated ( sigh posted) speeds are pretty darned accurate,otherwise there's really no need to brake for almost all of the cresting corners there if you're doing it right.Visibility is almost always very good even through the twisty climbing bits.
If it was one of yours Maha I'd expect you to shepherd them, otherwise get past quick as ya can and leave em to their wet pants and bad dreams, most likely they shouldn't be on a road like that at this stage in their riding career.
My dad taught me to decelerate ( not brake, not lose speed, just lift foot off for a split second)as you crest a rise, see whats there and then reapply throttle as and when appropriate.
Works well, leaves you plenty of time to do whatever you need to do once the road ahead has become clear.This works just as well on a bike.:shifty:

[rapid van cleef]

With the exception of junctions, roundabouts and emergency situations, I cant see any reason why anyone would need to use their brakes on the road to negotiate most corners. Planning ahead and effective use of engine braking is all that most people would need, unless your doing over 100 kph of course, in which case your going to a firey pit of doom! Riding the twisties without brakes took me a while to get the hang of and is way smoother than stop / start cornering.

[Str8 Jacket]

So all of you mattress munching homo's that slow down for crests...would you also do so in your car? If not, why not? If so...get off the fucking road.

Well if I drove then probably but I always er on the side of caution when I can't see the road clearly or feel uneasy. Anyway I'm a woman so I will just pop back to the kitchen.

[Banditbandit]

So all of you mattress munching homo's that slow down for crests...would you also do so in your car? If not, why not? If so...get off the fucking road.

It woud depend on the speed I was doing, but on a strange road I would button off a little, in a cage and on a bike (or maybe just be aware that the road might do something stupid just over the top) ... because I would not know which way the road went over the crest - there are no road signs on that stretch which tells me it probably goes straight - or so straight as it doesn't matter - but it pays to be alive after the crest as well ... and I'd rather be alive and have people like you think of me as a "mattress munching homo" than a dead bullshit "hero".

[slofox]

I've ridden that road a few times. Don't usually brake but then I never blast over the top of a hill sight unseen either. I just keep the speed at a point where I can stop if I have to.

[Crasherfromwayback]

On a strange road I would button off a little, in a cage and on a bike .. because I would not know which way the road went over the crest - there are no road signs on that stretch which tells me it probably goes straight - or so straight as it doesn't matter - but it pays to be alive after the crest as well ... and I'd rather be alive and have dicks like you think of me as a "mattress munching homo" than a dead bullshit "hero" ('cause I don't give a flying fuck for your opinions )

Yeah I've no problem with caution actually though mate. So unbunch ya panties. But the crest(s) in question don't really require slowing down or braking now do they?

By the way...I've seen plenty of 'hero' remarks from you in the past.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well if I drove then probably but I always er on the side of caution when I can't see the road clearly or feel uneasy.

Nothing wrong with that Hels. I tend to use a bit of caution myself.

[Katman]

Also, I'm with Drew.

I'm sure you'll make a lovely couple.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm sure you'll make a lovely couple.

Up the bum no babies.

[Banditbandit]

Yeah I've no problem with caution actually though mate. So unbunch ya panties. But the crest(s) in question don't really require slowing down or braking now do they?

By the way...I've seen plenty of 'hero' remarks from you in the past.

Fuck .. you were quick off the mark - must have been responding when I was still editing - 'cause that's an old version of the post and I removed the offensive and insulting stuff ... because I thought it was a little OTT ... especially as it was you and not some other dicks here.

The crest in question is a little deceptive - it's a little more crested than it appears in that two-dimensional representation ...

And yeah I can be a "bullshit hero" on the road ... that depends on your definition of "bullshit hero" ... but the main thing is, after 39 years of riding (and being a little crazy) I'm still alive ... even if occassionally I scare the shit out of myself ..

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck .. you were quick off the mark - must have been responding when I was still editing - 'cause that's an old version of the post and I removed the offensive and insulting stuff ... because I thought it was a little OTT ... especially as it was you and not some other dicks here.

The crest in question is a little deceptive - it's a little more crested than it appears in that two-dimensional representation ...

And yeah I can be a "bullshit hero" on the road ... that depends on your definition of "bullshit hero" ... but the main thing is, after 39 years of riding (and being a little crazy) I'm still alive ... even if occassionally I scare the shit out of myself ..

That's me!

'Other dicks'? Apology accepted then! We'll have a cuddle some time then.

And I have no doubt we've all been dicks on the roads at times. I used to be all the time. It's why I decided to go road racing. Best thing I ever did.

[Gremlin]

I've ridden the road a few times, didn't find any major issues. Sitting at 100-110 you get good visibility ahead, but if there were big rises, then yes, I have backed off for the odd ones (not braking though) just to give myself some more space.

The other thing I have an issue with, is some say they are happy to go faster (or slow down less) when familiar with the road... Why? You could have been through it 30min before, but it doesn't mean there isn't going to be a tanker pulling out of a driveway over the crest (or insert other hazard). If anything, roads I've done very frequently I might go slower, as I've experienced so many issues in various places.

[chasio]

It's a good bit of road, I rode it again on Saturday last, love it. Lot's of driveways on it and keeping eyes and ears, as well as hands over levers is a good idea.
There are a couple of corners where the indicated ( sigh posted) speeds are pretty darned accurate,otherwise there's really no need to brake for almost all of the cresting corners there if you're doing it right.Visibility is almost always very good even through the twisty climbing bits.
If it was one of yours Maha I'd expect you to shepherd them, otherwise get past quick as ya can and leave em to their wet pants and bad dreams, most likely they shouldn't be on a road like that at this stage in their riding career.
My dad taught me to decelerate ( not brake, not lose speed, just lift foot off for a split second)as you crest a rise, see whats there and then reapply throttle as and when appropriate.
Works well, leaves you plenty of time to do whatever you need to do once the road ahead has become clear.This works just as well on a bike.:shifty:

+1.
There was a forested, dipping, twisting road from where we lived to the main road (beautiful road). My step-dad told me to teach myself to drive it comfortably without needing to brake. It was a great learning experience.

But I believe the best bit of roadcraft advice I have ever taken on board was to match speed with vision.

That was from the Porsche Driver's Handbook (which is the closest I have ever got Stuttgart's finest) which was written by a couple of UK Police Driver Training dudes. The beauty of this advice is that it works just about everywhere. On congested city streets. When there are gaps in traffic obscured by big trucks. On bends. And the book specifically tells you to treat a crest as a vertical bend.

So I'd be up on the pegs to gain vision if needed but then at the moderate speed I ride, I wouldn't be at risk of being blown off the back!

[Maha]

I've ridden that road a few times. Don't usually brake but then I never blast over the top of a hill sight unseen either. I just keep the speed at a point where I can stop if I have to.

And that is how its done!

[Zedder]

+1.
There was a forested, dipping, twisting road from where we lived to the main road (beautiful road). My step-dad told me to teach myself to drive it comfortably without needing to brake. It was a great learning experience.

But I believe the best bit of roadcraft advice I have ever taken on board was to match speed with vision.

That was from the Porsche Driver's Handbook (which is the closest I have ever got Stuttgart's finest) which was written by a couple of UK Police Driver Training dudes. The beauty of this advice is that it works just about everywhere. On congested city streets. When there are gaps in traffic obscured by big trucks. On bends. And the book specifically tells you to treat a crest as a vertical bend.

So I'd be up on the pegs to gain vision if needed but then at the moderate speed I ride, I wouldn't be at risk of being blown off the back!

Great post, the reference to treating a crest as a vertical bend is very good.

[Maha]

This one here is a beauty...(scroll right) http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=260+Waiteitei+Road,+Wellsford&hl=en&ll=-36.265101,174.56824&spn=0.007016,0.016512&sll=-36.265484,174.568384&layer=c&cbp=13,245.53,,0,1.87&cbll=-36.265101,174.56824&hnear=260+Waiteitei+Rd,+Wellsford+0974&t=m&z=17&iwloc=A&panoid=hHic2KMjWv-SSdo1Mrb39Q
No arrow to show which way the road goes, most would button off and rightfully so.
Btw, road goes to the left...

[Coolz]

Maybe the rider was a local and had a moment on that bit of road before. Could have braked to give you the heads up to slow down a bit.

[Usarka]

Has anyone seen a falcon crest?

[Maha]

Maybe the rider was a local and had a moment on that bit of road before. Could have braked to give you the heads up to slow down a bit.

From Memory (it was a few years ago) a group of us left from Papakura enroute to Morrinsville, he was at the start so guessing he was from the Akl area.

Has anyone seen a falcon crest?

Not recently, but I have had a red wine of late (first one since....ever ago)

[ducatilover]

So I assumed you passed said slow rider?
I'd pop the clutch and flip my favourite bike all over the road there. Would be bloody fun

[scumdog]

I would not know which way the road went over the crest - there are no road signs on that stretch which tells me it probably goes straight - or so straight as it doesn't matter -.

Unless some yokel oik though it would be 'fun' to run over the signs in his Hi-Lux...

[caspernz]

Cruisy enough bit of road....so yep I'd ride past an uphill braker at the first opportunity...:2thumbsup

Might even mumble "get on with it, or get out of the way" in the process...:banana:

[FJRider]

This one here is a beauty...(scroll right) http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=260+Waiteitei+Road,+Wellsford&hl=en&ll=-36.265101,174.56824&spn=0.007016,0.016512&sll=-36.265484,174.568384&layer=c&cbp=13,245.53,,0,1.87&cbll=-36.265101,174.56824&hnear=260+Waiteitei+Rd,+Wellsford+0974&t=m&z=17&iwloc=A&panoid=hHic2KMjWv-SSdo1Mrb39Q
No arrow to show which way the road goes, most would button off and rightfully so.
Btw, road goes to the left...

Which way the road goes ... is less of an issue than the entrance of the house within 50 meters of that crest.

Any property entrance way ... be it into a house, or farm paddock ... has the risk of a slow vehicle exiting it.

In your first post ... Google maps showed a number of houses on that straight road. And in that initial pic ... how many houses could YOU see... ???

[Maha]

Which way the road goes ... is less of an issue than the entrance of the house within 50 meters of that crest.

Any property entrance way ... be it into a house, or farm paddock ... has the risk of a slow vehicle exiting it.

In your first post ... Google maps showed a number of houses on that straight road. And in that initial pic ... how many houses could YOU see... ???

No arguement re driveways...that goes without saying on any back road, or indeed, any road for that matter.
On a straight flat bit of country road a few weeks ago, I could see a car to my left, driving at pace, down a long driveway towards the road..
As I got closer, I slowed a tad, all the while keeping an eye on said vehicle, driver (upon exiting) finally saw me and locked the rear wheels...but I had it covered, as those behind me will concur.

So the ''suprise element'' is exactly that, how one handles it at time, can sway the outcome.

[madandy]

Across this part of the Waikato is my preferred route between Auckland n Tauranga.
Always ride/ drive these roads with brakes overed and at a relaxed pace. Tractors hurt!

[FJRider]

So the ''suprise element'' is exactly that, how one handles it at time, can sway the outcome.

Perhaps the rider you were following ... was handling it the way that suited him.

Perhaps he had been surprised once already on that road ... some time before ...

[nodrog]

i would, especially since google has me riding on the wrong side of the fuckin road!

[Berries]

Is cresting anything like huffing? Either way, there is a very good spot just near Waitahuna for doing it.

[Maha]

Perhaps the rider you were following ... was handling it the way that suited him.

Perhaps he had been surprised once already on that road ... some time before ...

On the first bit? Yes he was, and it didn't suit me, which is why I commented on that particular incident in the first place in that other thread.
On the second bit?..Don't know, don't care, if you going to ride like an unnerving noob in front of me, don't be ''suprised'' if I eventually (where safe to) go passed you.

The question in the first post was...''Would it be prudent or advisable...to brake on this piece of road''
I didn't ask for a complete analysis on what happened between myself and another rider on a previous occassion, which you seem to be centered on for some unknown reason?
So if you could stick to the topic question, that'll be spiffing.
Quite happy to keep up the amusment on the 'Spring is here' thread... if you know what Imean?

[FJRider]

The question in the first post was...''Would it be prudent or advisable...to brake on this piece of road''


THAT would depend entirely on the riders skill level ... and experience.

Your question is a "How long is a piece of string" type question ... In an attempt to quantify an opinion you hold on the matter.

At the end of the day ... it is up to the individual rider to decide. At the time ... and on the day they find themselves in that (or similar) situation.

If you get angry at other rider/drivers actions on the road ... you are more at risk of doing something silly(er) than him ...

[Disco Dan]

Full throttle, on one wheel and while giving the finger as I pass.... :facepalm:

For the record - thought it said breast.

[Maha]

Full throttle, on one wheel and while giving the finger as I pass.... :facepalm:

For the record - thought it said breast.

...and then you woke up in wet sheets?

[Disco Dan]

...and then you woke up in wet sheets?

Pretty much... I cant wheelie... well at least on purpose. Comes up all by itself :yes:

[Coldrider]

May Bob Tooman would have an answer, as the waikato region has red HP patrol car instead of the nationwide white ones.

[scumdog]

May Bob Tooman would have an answer, as the waikato region has red HP patrol car instead of the nationwide white ones.

They're yeller an' white down here..

[Coldrider]

They're yeller an' white down here..the hand me downs will probably end up south at 250,000kms on the clock.....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/farming/fieldays/7095795/Red-police-car-to-raise-awarenesshavve you guys still got the horses down there?

[scumdog]

the hand me downs will probably end up south at 250,000kms on the clock.....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/farming/fieldays/7095795/Red-police-car-to-raise-awarenesshavve you guys still got the horses down there?

We should be so lucky!

(I've never, ever seen a red one)

[Coolz]

We should be so lucky!

(I've never, ever seen a red one)

A red horse? That would be a sunburnt zebra. Black and white and red all over or is that a newspaper? I think I am posting in the wrong thread ....
if you know what I mean.