White lines - Who respects them?

[Mom]

Not many people judging by the number of times I see cars over the white lines. It appears that this is getting worse, I have seen some shocking examples recently. It is not unknown for me to make some very well known gestures to oncoming traffic if I get the time to do so. Wankers!

I see bikes over them too! There have been a few times I have misjudged a corner and crossed the centre line, thankfully nothing coming the other way, but as a rule I am ok. It has been pointed out that from time to time I ride the "race" line, so I try hard not to do that, and have an ongoing mantra of "dont smack your head on the brick wall" (thanks to Mr Formby).

Seeing as it is biker death season, I thought I might remind people to not take the race line and actually ensure you are not close to the centre line for you never know when there will be some dickhead car driver on your side of the road.

If fact, try your best to stay well away from the white line on left hand corners you cant see around.

[Disco Dan]

...not enough of those 'rumble strip' white lines. Makes it easier to know if ya start drifting out of your lane when your texting :msn-wink:

[bogan]

Yup, there sure is a plurality of plonkers out there. Cutting corners reduces the fun anyway.


...not enough of those 'rumble strip' white lines. Makes it easier to know if ya start drifting out of your lane when your texting :msn-wink:

yeh, but then I'll spill me coffee :(

[caspernz]

Them white lines are just a suggestion aren't they? Not many tintop pilots or Evil Knievel wannabes take any notice of them on the Rimutaka Hill...:ar15:

[Katman]

Always amuses fucks me off hearing people wanking on about racing lines while riding on the road.

[caseye]

Another upcoming phenomenon is the inexperienced or the I don't give a fuck biker who I have repeatedly found on my side the the road, not just over the white line, but in My Fucking lane.
If I was driving a cage I think in all probability these days, I'd allow them to go under the front, I'm so over finding other bikers on my side of the road.
No longer interested in why, just pissed that in this day and age, of bikers being hammered as fuckwits and us doing our level best to dispel that incorrect fact, here I am suffering from stress related disorder syndrome from my own kind.
Stop being retards, use ONLY your side of the road.

[Mom]

Another upcoming phenomenon is the inexperienced or the I don't give a fuck biker who I have repeatedly found on my side the the road, not just over the white line, but in My Fucking lane.
If I was driving a cage I think in all probability these days, I'd allow them to go under the front, I'm so over finding other bikers on my side of the road.
No longer interested in why, just pissed that in this day and age, of bikers being hammered as fuckwits and us doing our level best to dispel that incorrect fact, here I am suffering from stress related disorder syndrome from my own kind.
Stop being retards, use ONLY your side of the road.

You know I was shocked once upon a time to learn of wanker bikers pulling mono's off traffic lights in traffic. Now I actually have exposed myself to the wanker/biker/commuter I am starting to get the picture, and I am getting really pissed off! I am actually surprised that there are not more cleaned up frankly. Absolutely horrifying!

[caspernz]

You know I was shocked once upon a time to learn of wanker bikers pulling mono's off traffic lights in traffic. Now I actually have exposed myself to the wanker/biker/commuter I am starting to get the picture, and I am getting really pissed off! I am actually surprised that there are not more cleaned up frankly. Absolutely horrifying!

The Darwin factor is slow to catch up to some Evil Knievel imposters :spanking:

[Mom]

Them white lines are just a suggestion aren't they? Not many tintop pilots or Evil Knievel wannabes take any notice of them on the Rimutaka Hill...:ar15:

I despair. Supports the lie that we are temporary citizens really. Hells teeth, we can come to grief by things outside of our control, despite using every bit of skill, common sense and experience we have (no apologies Katman, but we can sometimes) without the seemingly increasing number of "she'll be right" riders out there.

[Ocean1]

Them white lines are just a suggestion aren't they? Not many tintop pilots or Evil Knievel wannabes take any notice of them on the Rimutaka Hill...:ar15:

I had occasion to cross the hill the day after they painted the whole north side yellow.

I laughed most of the way down, there was yellow paint spread from arsehole to breakfast from cars not just clipping apexes but at least a dozen from actual overtaking.

[Big Dave]

It's the passed out Hookers and rolled up bank notes that they have trouble with next morning.

[blue rider]

I had occasion to cross the hill the day after they painted the whole north side yellow.

I laughed most of the way down, there was yellow paint spread from arsehole to breakfast from cars not just clipping apexes but at least a dozen from actual overtaking.

translation?
thanks .

[caspernz]

I despair. Supports the lie that we are temporary citizens really. Hells teeth, we can come to grief by things outside of our control, despite using every bit of skill, common sense and experience we have (no apologies Katman, but we can sometimes) without the seemingly increasing number of "she'll be right" riders out there.

With you all the way on the despair angle. But hey, I've been riding for years and the portion of Richard Cranium riders is about the same now, just more of them over the summer period it seems. Maybe that's why I stick to mostly weekday bike roadtrips over the summer period??

[madandy]

I find the contempt shown toward yellow lines to be far more troublesome.
The late apex strategy save my life riding home from a BRONZ ride right ride safe course a few years ago.
A white S4 RX7 ran wide on a turn and occupied the area I'd have been riding had I stuck to either the right wheel track or taken a racing line...

[caspernz]

I had occasion to cross the hill the day after they painted the whole north side yellow.

I laughed most of the way down, there was yellow paint spread from arsehole to breakfast from cars not just clipping apexes but at least a dozen from actual overtaking.

Yeah it's diabolical alright. It's a shame the trucks' onboard camera doesn't capture all the suicidal driving/riding one sees day after day. I should buy shares in Armco though, because it gets "kissed" regularly. Always fun going over first thing on a Monday and seeing all the new marks...:clap::banana:

[Mom]

We can all cross that centre line, me, I tend to do it at slow speeds :o But the Rossi road wankers are really a worry.

What actually prompted this thread was seeing a guy ride up the road I work on, it is a very curvy, divine bit of road. 50kph area and cars praked each side, all over the place. Not a road to take lightly, lots of driveways etc. In a car you HAVE to cross the centre line from time to time to get past cars praked on the road. Then you get the ones that straighten out the corners as well. Why the hell you would risk flying up that road taking the centre line is beyond me. Testorterone? Come on guys, explain?

[Mom]

Maybe that's why I stick to mostly weekday bike roadtrips over the summer period??

Consider riding with the learner/newbie riders. Best thing ever. They feel safe riding with somone that has a bit of road craft. You are fairly immune from dickheads. And, best of all you get to encourage sensible riding and riders.


I find the contempt shown toward yellow lines to be far more troublesome.
The late apex strategy save my life riding home from a BRONZ ride right ride safe course a few years ago.
A white S4 RX7 ran wide on a turn and occupied the area I'd have been riding had I stuck to either the right wheel track or taken a racing line...

Awesome! Yellow lines are another thing altogether! Dont even start me on them, so many of "my" riding roads have been ruined by the application of the double yellow painted lines :mad: They are not treated with respect anymore, as they are EVERYWHERE!

[Mom]

translation?
thanks .

He was laughing at how many vehicles crossed that wet paint. Irony :love:

ESOL error!

[Ocean1]

He was laughing at how many vehicles crossed that wet paint. Irony :love:

ESOL error!

Ah, yes, so I was. It's not wet for long, either.

[Berries]

Seeing as it is biker death season, I thought I might remind people to not take the race line and actually ensure you are not close to the centre line for you never know when there will be some dickhead car driver on your side of the road.


There have been a few times I have misjudged a corner and crossed the centre line, thankfully nothing coming the other way, but as a rule I am ok.
By the sound of it if we all keep away from Warkworth we should be ok.

[Mom]

By the sound of it if we all keep away from Warkworth we should be ok.

Yepper, Twat about covers it.

[madandy]

We can all cross that centre line, me, I tend to do it at slow speeds :o But the Rossi road wankers are really a worry.

What actually prompted this thread was seeing a guy ride up the road I work on, it is a very curvy, divine bit of road. 50kph area and cars praked each side, all over the place. Not a road to take lightly, lots of driveways etc. In a car you HAVE to cross the centre line from time to time to get past cars praked on the road. Then you get the ones that straighten out the corners as well. Why the hell you would risk flying up that road taking the centre line is beyond me. Testorterone? Come on guys, explain?

Testosterone, yes. Arrogance too. A belief that being up on a bike with a view over most cars roofs they can see the oncoming threats with enough time and skill to avoid a collision...:weird:

[FJRider]

... They are not treated with respect anymore, as they are EVERYWHERE!

Respect pays no part in how people treat (or see) white or yellow lines. We ALL find the legislation regarding both ... inconvenient at times.

Sometimes ... we know there is no risk to us ... or anybody else.

Sometimes ... we think there should be no risk ...

Sometimes ... we just hope ...

Sometimes we get lucky ...

[unstuck]

I try to respect everything when on the road, in any vehicle really. Bit like the sea, if you have no respect, your shark food.:yes:

[Scuba_Steve]

Don't worry, lines of all colours will be ignored more & more as the Govt keeps sponsoring the "crazy with the yellow paint" & the "insane guy with the white paint" to run round the country painting everywhere they can & shouldn't be...
It's the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome & it can only end badly.

[madandy]

I think Mom is referring to the peeps out there that are hoping to get lucky...

[haydes55]

Reminds me of a very sloppy rider I caught up to down sh22 last Saturday. The rider was going into a blind left hander taking a wide line into the oncoming lane then exiting wide as well. I followed him for a good 5 mins and there were at least 5 corners where the rider is alive by pure chance. The weird thing is I'm far from being a fast rider and don't know the road very well, yet i stayed in my lane and caught up to and got stuck behind this twat. Im on my little 300 he was on some honda with 2 exhausts out the back. He acted real surprised to see me behind him when he was turning off and saw me in his mirror, panicked and swerved to the left. :weird:

[george formby]

Reminds me of a very sloppy rider I caught up to down sh22 last Saturday. The rider was going into a blind left hander taking a wide line into the oncoming lane then exiting wide as well. I followed him for a good 5 mins and there were at least 5 corners where the rider is alive by pure chance. The weird thing is I'm far from being a fast rider and don't know the road very well, yet i stayed in my lane and caught up to and got stuck behind this twat. Im on my little 300 he was on some honda with 2 exhausts out the back. He acted real surprised to see me behind him when he was turning off and saw me in his mirror, panicked and swerved to the left. :weird:


The safest line on the road can often be the quickest if you ride it well. Caution & forethought does not mean slow.

Thoughtless driving has become almost typical. I'm getting pedantic about my line of sight through a corner. I want to see that sporadically piloted vehicle as soon as possible so I can get out of the way, if I'm not already leaning out of Dodge. It happens every ride.

[Brian d marge]

With you all the way on the despair angle. But hey, I've been riding for years and the portion of Richard Cranium riders is about the same now, just more of them over the summer period it seems. Maybe that's why I stick to mostly weekday bike roadtrips over the summer period??

I think I might have crossed the centre line once


Stephen

Richard cranium ...that's a good one

[DEATH_INC.]

But the Rossi road wankers are really a worry.

So....if i don't try want to imitate that Rossi homo I'll be ok then? :p Can I ride like Ruben Xaus then? :Pokey:

[Swoop]

So....if i don't try want to imitate that Rossi homo I'll be ok then?
Surely everyone wants to be a short-arsed italian?:crazy:

[Fatjim]

There is no point complaining or campaigning. There are two constants in this world.

1. Motorbikes attract idiots, thats why alot of us got on them. In fact I think there has been idiots on motorcycles well before sane people started riding them. So I wonder why all the idiots out there aren't complaining about all the slow/careful riders out there filling up the roads.

2. Driver training nowadays is based upon Murray's book of dairy farming. The dumber and more cosseted the driver the better. Skills, patience, consideration and concentration are no longer needed. You just need to follow the thousands of signs, the rumble strips, and your GPS and if you cock up the armco, concrete barriers or the cheese cutters will save you before you run into someone head on.

[Brett]

I take a common sense approach to road markings. Sometimes, roads marked with broken white lines are pretty unsafe should really be double yellows, while some solid whites and even (much less frequently) double yellows are ok for a sensible, quick pass on a sportsbike. I am talking about situations where you can see the road ahead, any periphery roads, any dips/blind spots etc. and you can safely decide to pass. So yes, I ignore some white lines, but never at the risk of doing something stupid.

Oh...and the same applies to wheelies...time and place and all that. Perhaps off traffic lights in heavy traffic isn't a bright idea, but other times they can be done just fine.

[Road kill]

Our yard at work is located at the bottem of a steep hill with a sharp left hander at the top of it.
Because that left hander is slightly off camber for people taking it as a right hander heading down the hill "most of them cut it well over the center line.

50 meters before that corner on the up hill left hand side is a side road that often has kids waiting for the school buss where it meets the main rd.

So I leave the yard an head up the hill in my truck "having to keep well out from the left side due to the kids being there "and one of two things happen quite often.
#1 some fool will pass me just as I get up to the side road and be completely over the line all the way around the corner. #2 some fool will cut the corner just as I'm coming up to it "and give themselves a fucking big scare when they see me there.

I've been waiting 7 years for the day both things happen at the same time,,,the only good point is when it finally does happen "none of the fools will be alive to blame me:facepalm:

[Banditbandit]

So....if i don't try want to imitate that Rossi homo I'll be ok then? :p Can I ride like Ruben Xaus then? :Pokey:

Or maybe Nitro Nori ???

[Banditbandit]

Jeez - why do you all give so much time, effort and space in your head to complain about what other people are doing?

Fuck me .. isn't it about time you all focussed on your own lives rather than worried about other people's ??? Or are your lives such non-events you need the excitemetn of other lives to boost your own ..

Or are you egos so big that you think you have moral position sufficient to criticise the actions of other people? ???

Either way - let it all go ... you will feel better and the world will be a better place without us all bitching about each other ..

[Murray]

Another upcoming phenomenon is the inexperienced or the I don't give a fuck biker who I have repeatedly found on my side the the road, not just over the white line, but in My Fucking lane.
If I was driving a cage I think in all probability these days, I'd allow them to go under the front, I'm so over finding other bikers on my side of the road.
No longer interested in why, just pissed that in this day and age, of bikers being hammered as fuckwits and us doing our level best to dispel that incorrect fact, here I am suffering from stress related disorder syndrome from my own kind.
Stop being retards, use ONLY your side of the road.

Why don't you say what you think???
ACC may be able to help with your stress disorder syndrome ;););)

[Zedder]

I have respect for all painted lines on the road, especially in the wet!

Thanks Mom for the timely reminder and keep up the good work you and Maha do on mentoring new riders. Cheers!

[Stirts]

Surely everyone wants to be a short-arsed italian?:crazy:

with an uncanny likeness to Coco the monkey. Just like a chocolate milkshake, only crunchy!

[DEATH_INC.]

Surely everyone wants to be a short-arsed italian?:crazy: You forgot the gay part.... http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=274663&stc=1&d=1355439813


Or maybe Nitro Nori ??? Yeh! Now we're talking :yes:

[Graelin]

I look at the situation, can I see through the corner and nothing comming, a nice smooth line is a pleasure of riding with out going over the line. If I cant see through the corner I late apex for safety and go a bit slower. I like to keep some in reserve so I can make ajustments to the line if some one is wide.
Now who was it mentioned the Rimutaka, just plain cruel to us In Aussie. Remember it like yesterday.

[Maha]

Another upcoming phenomenon is the inexperienced or the I don't give a fuck biker who I have repeatedly found on my side the the road, not just over the white line, but in My Fucking lane.
If I was driving a cage I think in all probability these days, I'd allow them to go under the front, I'm so over finding other bikers on my side of the road.
No longer interested in why, just pissed that in this day and age, of bikers being hammered as fuckwits and us doing our level best to dispel that incorrect fact, here I am suffering from stress related disorder syndrome from my own kind.
Stop being retards, use ONLY your side of the road.

White lines/yellow (double or otherwise) own side of the road, don't mean squat to some..I have witnessed some OMGWTFFFF moments over the years.
And will probably continue to do so for years to come.
There are times when its possible to pass a slow vehicle where, whats painted on the road dictates that you really should not.
The worse case I have seen is, a bike in front of me, pull out and pass about 4 cars over double yellows and still on the wrong side of the road whilst going around a right hander.
I should point out that you could see through the corner, but cars can appear out of know where when you least expect it.
.........and not a crest in sight....;)

[Edbear]

I won't cross yellow lines, but if I can clearly see all the way through a corner I may choose to straighten it a bit.

However if there is any doubt otherwise, I stay on my side. It is fun isn't it to see your lane as the whole road and stay within it? Good practice?

I do see far too often, bikers completely ignoring any and all road markings. Probably in the belief they are high enough to see and small and quick enough to pass without risk. What is more apparent now too, though, are those lane-splitting at too fast a speed. Not much margin for error at any time, but these guys are just asking to be clobbered!

[wysper]

I've been riding for years and the portion of Richard Cranium riders is about the same now,

Have to agree here.


Or maybe Nitro Nori ???

For sure, that man did things that should not be possible on two wheels.

As for the road thing, I do my best to stay on my side, keep a bit of wiggle room both sides of me and hope that the other driver/rider is doing the same thing.

[SPman]

Surely everyone wants to be a short-arsed italian?

Well,Mr inc qualifies in the short arse dept......

Or maybe Nitro Nori ???

Hmmmm...riding style is slightly similar..........

I look at the situation, can I see through the corner and nothing comming, a nice smooth line is a pleasure of riding with out going over the line. If I cant see through the corner I late apex for safety and go a bit slower. I like to keep some in reserve so I can make ajustments to the line if some one is wide.And that doesn't mean you have to be riding slow, either.
Nothing more satisfying than going down a new twisty road, and nailing it, quickly, safely and without crossing the centrelines or putting yourself or others in an OMGWTF situation....
Over here, there are double whites, often, where there shouldn't be double whites! Often where there are passing lanes one side, there,s a double white so those coming downhill are not to pass! With 4-500m clear visibility! Fukem - we pass!

[caspernz]

I look at the situation, can I see through the corner and nothing comming, a nice smooth line is a pleasure of riding with out going over the line. If I cant see through the corner I late apex for safety and go a bit slower. I like to keep some in reserve so I can make ajustments to the line if some one is wide.
Now who was it mentioned the Rimutaka, just plain cruel to us In Aussie. Remember it like yesterday.

Oh the Rimutaka Hill? Some weeks I go back and forth a dozen times in a truck & trailer, and maybe half a dozen times on two wheels...weather dependant of course :innocent:

[DEATH_INC.]

Probably in the belief they are high enough to see
The Mrs once told me off for passing a bunch of cars doing a standup, round a left hand corner...truth is tho, from up there I could see a long way ahead... :innocent:

[Edbear]

Oh the Rimutaka Hill? Some weeks I go back and forth a dozen times in a truck & trailer, and maybe half a dozen times on two wheels...weather dependant of course :innocent:

You got your truck on two wheels???? :gob:


The Mrs once told me off for passing a bunch of cars doing a standup, round a left hand corner...truth is tho, from up there I could see a long way ahead... :innocent:

Hmmmm.... :wacko:

[Deano]

I take a common sense approach to road markings.

Yep - if I can overtake safely in the distance available, I pay feck all heed to road markings.

[tzrmike]

I'm no angel, but earlier this week, there was some ass-hat on a MV Agusta(?) riding round a sweeping right-hander (for him) in industrial East Tamaki, so a 50 km/hr area, at a speed a far amount over that, with his wheels just on his side of the whiteline, and his head in line with my A pillar. If I hadn't been on my own time, getting smoko, I wouldn't have swerved to the left to avoid his head.

As a mea culpa, I rolled up to the lights the other day, and clutched it away thinking I was in third. Ahem, actually in first, reach for the sky!

[caspernz]

You got your truck on two wheels???? :gob:

Double overdrive top gear is good for a few tricks...:shutup::eek5::Oops::wacko:

[DEATH_INC.]

BTW, I'm not meaning to take away from Mom's thread here....if anyone meets the front of My or My mates 4wd's coming the other way it won't be pretty.

[Brian d marge]

Which white lines are we talking about ?

Stephen

[GrayWolf]

Jeez - why do you all give so much time, effort and space in your head to complain about what other people are doing?

Fuck me .. isn't it about time you all focussed on your own lives rather than worried about other people's ??? Or are your lives such non-events you need the excitemetn of other lives to boost your own ..

Or are you egos so big that you think you have moral position sufficient to criticise the actions of other people? ???

Either way - let it all go ... you will feel better and the world will be a better place without us all bitching about each other ..

Simple answer to that really, Bandit,
WHEN the individual's behaviour, and final 'outcome' no longer has an effect on MY/OUR PERSONAL riding pleasure, by way of legislation, increased Rego, insurance levies, etc etc... Then I/we the 'bitching ego's' will probably STFU. <_<

[flyingcarpet]

4 pages and all i get is blahh blahh blahh bla bla............if you dont like my road then stay off it !! same shit again and again.

[GrayWolf]

4 pages and all i get is blahh blahh blahh bla bla............if you dont like my road then stay off it !! same shit again and again.

bloody newbie's........ think they know it all, not like us bloody old farts, who used to know it all, but got to an age we forgot it all :laugh::laugh:

[Subike]

Use to be fun back on the early days when the only roads that had white lines were the main roads.
Come to think of it, the only tar-sealed roads were the main roads....
the biggest trucks were bedfords,
and the police drove MK3 Zephyrs....
Tail gating was a term used for Russian sailors :shutup:
I use to ride my tricycle on the grass verge back then

[schrodingers cat]

Jeez - why do you all give so much time, effort and space in your head to complain about what other people are doing?

Fuck me .. isn't it about time you all focussed on your own lives rather than worried about other people's ??? Or are your lives such non-events you need the excitemetn of other lives to boost your own ..

Or are you egos so big that you think you have moral position sufficient to criticise the actions of other people? ???

Either way - let it all go ... you will feel better and the world will be a better place without us all bitching about each other ..

I am scared of the big empty vacuum that will appear in my life if I stop bitching about other people.
I'm frightened that into it will rush feelings of mortality and inadeguacy. In fact I am getting shivers just thinking of it...
Getting a life is not an option. That would require effort on my part.

[DEATH_INC.]

Simple answer to that really, Bandit,
WHEN the individual's behaviour, and final 'outcome' no longer has an effect on MY/OUR PERSONAL riding pleasure, by way of legislation, increased Rego, insurance levies, etc etc... Then I/we the 'bitching ego's' will probably STFU. <_<
Interesting view this....look at it from the 'other' side.
Your way of thinking says 'we' can't do wheelies, do anything more than putt around at 100k, do skids, drag a knee, or any of the other things we enjoy about riding.
If I read that right, you are trying to limit our enjoyment, even more than the powers that be already have. If I want boring, I'll borrow your white tin can to drive around. :bleh:

[Fatt Max]

You know I was shocked once upon a time to learn of wanker bikers pulling mono's off traffic lights in traffic. Now I actually have exposed myself to the wanker/biker/commuter I am starting to get the picture, and I am getting really pissed off! I am actually surprised that there are not more cleaned up frankly. Absolutely horrifying!

Yeah yeah yeah, blah b;ah blah....but did any of them wave?

[pritch]

Surely everyone wants to be a short-arsed italian?:crazy:

You must be really tall if you think Rossi is short He is just shy of six foot.

There is some sense in this thread, I particularly agree with the people who think that the excess of painted lines has devalued their impact.

I used to use all the road if the way was clear but under the influence of Nick Ienatch I now try to stay on my own side of the road. It is still possible to have cars comiing straight at you while in your own lane though. We need luck as well as skill.

[GrayWolf]

Interesting view this....look at it from the 'other' side.
Your way of thinking says 'we' can't do wheelies, do anything more than putt around at 100k, do skids, drag a knee, or any of the other things we enjoy about riding.
If I read that right, you are trying to limit our enjoyment, even more than the powers that be already have. If I want boring, I'll borrow your white tin can to drive around. :bleh:

Not at all, if you want to pretent to be Rossi etc, go to the right place to do it? What I was saying in reply to bandit is, that when the frequent (I wont say inevitable) OFF happens through, stupid riding, too fast, incorrect lines, no regard for roadcraft DO NOT lead to, as you point out, increased legislation and Gubbermint Interventions. Those of Us who whinge, feel insecure, superior, old fuckers/coots, Nana's, scaredycats, etc etc, will probably stop complaining?

Oh just FYI.. you cant borrow my 'white tin can; to drive round in, I'm a MOTORCYCLIST, I don't own an effin car sonny. :facepalm:
As you were, now be a good lad, my pipe and slippers are over there ------>>> :bleh:

[scumdog]

Jeez - why do you all give so much time, effort and space in your head to complain about what other people are doing?



But..but..but YOU are doing just that right now...:blink::shutup:






Oh, I see, just another troll eh? - carry on...

[nodrog]

.... Can I ride like Ruben Xaus then? :Pokey:

I hope you have shitloads of ductape.


Yep - if I can overtake safely in the distance available, I pay feck all heed to road markings.

What he said. In fact years ago (probably before 87.56% of kids on KB were born) there used to be a ministry of transport funded programme hosted by Denny Hulme. He used to advise crossing the centre line on tight bends (yes that you could clearly see ahead), promoting it was safer and easier.

But then again, he did hit a wall when he died.

[Ocean1]

look at it from the 'other' side.


What I was saying in reply to bandit is, that when the frequent (I wont say inevitable) OFF happens through, stupid riding, too fast, incorrect lines, no regard for roadcraft DO NOT lead to, as you point out, increased legislation and Gubbermint Interventions. Those of Us who whinge, feel insecure, superior, old fuckers/coots, Nana's, scaredycats, etc etc, will probably stop complaining?

Sorry GW, he's right. It's the Skatman premise, party A (everyone) is blamed for the actions of party B, (teh Govt.)

Fact is the people that make the rules are no longer doing so for the benefit of the majority of road users, they're doing it to minimise costs.

If you don't like the fact that you have to crawl around our roads and pay a substantial wad of cash for the privilege then don't blame anyone but the guys making the rules.

[Ocean1]

But then again, he did hit a wall when he died.

But not until.

[Edbear]

I hope you have shitloads of ductape.



What he said. In fact years ago (probably before 87.56% of kids on KB were born) there used to be a ministry of transport funded programme hosted by Denny Hulme. He used to advise crossing the centre line on tight bends (yes that you could clearly see ahead), promoting it was safer and easier.

But then again, he did hit a wall when he died.

Not quite, he suffered a heart attack and managed to get the car safely off the track before he died. Genuine hero, that one.

[nodrog]

But not until.


Not quite, he suffered a heart attack and managed to get the car safely off the track before he died. Genuine hero, that one.

I said he hit a wall when he died, not he died when he hit a wall.

[Fatt Max]

I said he hit a wall when he died, not he died when he hit a wall.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Edbear]

I said he hit a wall when he died, not he died when he hit a wall.

I did note that, but some may not understand the full story so just a bit of clarification for their sake. No offence intended.

[Big Dave]

Do you mean Duct Tape? :-P

[nodrog]

I did note that, but some may not understand the full story so just a bit of clarification for their sake. No offence intended.

Google is their friend. Shouldnt you be out annoying peoples doorbells?


Do you mean Duct Tape? :-P

I actually meant Duck tape.

[Big Dave]

You're quacking me up.

[Edbear]

Google is their friend. Shouldnt you be out annoying peoples doorbells?

I actually meant Duck tape.

Not today, Sunday is our sleep-in day. I'm just about to get out of bed and have a shower...

[Swoop]

... if you think Rossi is short He is just shy of six foot.
So, he is a shortarse then.

[scumdog]

bloody newbie's........ think they know it all, not like us bloody old farts, who used to know it all, but got to an age we forgot it all :laugh::laugh:

Newbie?
They're so dumb thay have to be a troll.

Even Monique sez they're dumb.