GP style shift reverse shift pattern?

[rapid van cleef]

Do many of you track day guys/ racers use reverse gear shift pattern? Im considering doing it to my bike as I dont ride on the road anymore and find upshifting out of left handers a pain in the arse with standard shifting.

thanks

[Hoon]

Do it. I did it to all my race bikes and road bikes even still after not racing for a few years now. Even my mates that ride my bikes prefer it after they try it.

[DEATH_INC.]

Yep...takes a little getting used to but once you are on the track at least you won't go back.
I still run normal, but that's coz I struggled with it and brain fade on the road....

[sidecar bob]

I raced a TR750 with the gears race pattern on the wrong side, I was 3 secs a lap faster after it was fixed up to what I was accustomed to.
Although putting the gears on the correct side was most of the issue.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Best thing you can do for track usage.

[Dave-]

yup!

definitely recommend it.

[Deano]

Best thing you can do for track usage.

Fuck yeah!

Makes upshifts more positive and quicker, plus its easier to shift up out of left hand corners cause you can't get your foot under the lever in normal pattern.

I was going to convert my road bike to race pattern as well, but needed custom rear sets for an 05 CBR1000RR and they were fucken expensive - I have found that I can actually convince my brain of the diffeence between road and track and usually don't confuse the two....although once on the track, I was so exhausted/elated after crossing the finish line that I shifted down when trying to slow down instead of up and nearly ran off.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck yeah!

Makes upshifts more positive and quicker, plus its easier to shift up out of left hand corners cause you can't get your foot under the lever in normal pattern.

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Hell yes. And back shifting it doesn't matter if you're a tad slower anyway.

[Deano]

Hell yes. And back shifting it doesn't matter if you're a tad slower anyway.

Because you're usually upright and braking hard anyway eh?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Because you're usually upright and braking hard anyway eh?

That, and it's not quite as crucial as getting your upshifts spot on to save time in the drag to the next corner, where every split second can count.

So unless you're Mick Doohan, Anthony Gobert or Matt Mladin, I'd recommend it. Those freaks were that fast every where it mattered not a fuck which way the gear lever was set up! Pretty sure from memory they all ran street pattern.

[300weatherby]

Hate it! I ride in the real world and race, either both race or both road shift,I prefer road. If you feel you need to be shifting while on the edge of your tyres and unable to get your toe in to shift because of that, look at your gearing instead, unbalancing a bike picking it up on the gas and shifting at the same time is daft.

When you are hard on the brakes and getting it to back a little to help with turn in, going down the box it is easier to maintain the other control skills in tandam, more important to me than upshifting tipped over.

The guys at the top have done it both ways since racing began, neither is right or wrong, but there are solutions to the perceived problems of road shift on the track

[Deano]

Hate it! I ride in the real world and race, either both race or both road shift,I prefer road. If you feel you need to be shifting while on the edge of your tyres and unable to get your toe in to shift because of that, look at your gearing instead, unbalancing a bike picking it up on the gas and shifting at the same time is daft.

When you are hard on the brakes and getting it to back a little to help with turn in, going down the box it is easier to maintain the other control skills in tandam, more important to me than upshifting tipped over.

The guys at the top have done it both ways since racing began, neither is right or wrong, but there are solutions to the perceived problems of road shift on the track

LOL.

You can't gear a bike for every corner, at least not in production racing.

Shifting a bike up on the gas doesn't mean unbalancing it, or maybe it does for you?

What results have you obtained?

Who can you name at the very top prefer road pattern apart from a few aliens?

Most footage I see of MotoGP is with race shift. Happy to be proven wrong but I doubt it.

[codgyoleracer]

Usefull on fuck off fast bikes, so so on small bikes. Road pattern has adavantages on small bikes going into turns at the track and aids smoothness on entry.

[codgyoleracer]

BTW, irrelevant on the road. whichever way takes your fancy.

[Crasherfromwayback]

, neither is right or wrong, but there are solutions to the perceived problems of road shift on the track

Why do you reckon TZ and RS250 GP bikes are sold with upside down shift patterns?

[Ocean1]

Why do you reckon TZ and RS250 GP bikes are sold with upside down shift patterns?

Is it 'cause they is for the northern hemisphere? Where they ride on the other side of the road?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Is it 'cause they is for the northern hemisphere? Where they ride on the other side of the road?

lol. For the chappie that doesn't believe in them...it's so that on GP tracks where the corners often open out...hence needing to shift up when going round them (no gearing bar an automatic would actually help this)...you can actually shift up...which is near impossible to do if you need to get your foot under the lever yet can't.

[300weatherby]

lol. For the chappie that doesn't believe in them...it's so that on GP tracks where the corners often open out...hence needing to shift up when going round them (no gearing bar an automatic would actually help this)...you can actually shift up...which is near impossible to do if you need to get your foot under the lever yet can't.

Didn't say I don't believe in reverse shift, if you are on a Euro track (or somewhere like PI) then it would make more sense to me. On our bumpy short go kart tracks, having it for the occasional specific corner doesn't. Gotta love demoracy, we are allowed our opinions and debate them right or wrong.

Have tried it, far too awkward for me, applied my own brand of logic, and decided to leave it alone.

[slowpoke]

LOL.

Who can you name at the very top prefer road pattern apart from a few aliens?

Most footage I see of MotoGP is with race shift. Happy to be proven wrong but I doubt it.

Biaggi was a fairly handy club racer, and there are a few other half decent clubbies mentioned in this part-article

http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2012/02/10/riding-max-biaggi-s-rsv4/

It's funny with all the hype around Marquez at the moment, but I doubt he'll win his debut MotoGP race or come second overall in his rookie MotoGP season as Biaggi did on the 500's....or piss off as many people, lol.

[merv]

Do the rules say you've got to shift with a foot? Makes me wonder why other sorts of quick shifters haven't been tried - thumb buttons, even verbal instructions inside a helmet e.g. just say "up" or "down" and with electronics these days anything is possible as long as the rider is the one making the decisions.

[slowpoke]

Didn't say I don't believe in reverse shift, if you are on a Euro track (or somewhere like PI) then it would make more sense to me. On our bumpy short go kart tracks, having it for the occasional specific corner doesn't. Gotta love demoracy, we are allowed our opinions and debate them right or wrong.

Have tried it, far too awkward for me, applied my own brand of logic, and decided to leave it alone.

Yeah, same here. I don't claim to be quick but can't say I've ever had an issue. I tried it on my 749R only 'cos that's what it rocked up with but even after a day's track work it didn't feel natural and I could see an expensive cock up looming in my future, so went back to street shift. It's 2012 with sportsbike pegs up under our armpits, and adjustable rearsets off the shelf, not 1982 where you could nearly rest a bike on the peg instead of the stand with no option to change it. Check out the awesome pic's of Stoner and co exiting a corner and the first thing they do is stand the thing up to get on the gas.

Bit different on some of the commuter bikes we race though. Bikes like Deano's SV or an ER6, Hysosung etc could well be a different story with limited ground clearance, crap suspension and few options to change any of it. Hmmmm, it's kinda perverse really, the bikes we race that are least suited to it are the ones we most heavily regulate, yet our purpose built sports bike classes have far more scope for improvement.....we don't half make it hard for ourselves.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Check out the awesome pic's of Stoner and co exiting a corner and the first thing they do is stand the thing up to get on the gas.

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And to think they have the gearshift upside down too!

But seriously...Manfeilds long track requires an upside down setup I reckon. The long left coming out on to the back straight...shifting up cranked hard over.

Just because some good racers can't get their heads round it so don't use it, doesn't make it not a better setup. It is.

[BigOne]

we have two bikes in the shed- my son's SV1000 is set up race pattern. Sometimes I'd ride it, and I get the upside down thing right for 20min or so, then I'd start nailing it, like out of a long corner, and change down instead of up............ leaving a long darkie on the road and another in my pants.
Now when I ride it, I take 5 to flip the linkage over on the shaft. Much less drama.

[Hoon]

Yep it's either an all or nothing change. You can't go switching between the two or you'll mess it up when relaxed and muscle memory takes over.

[Dave-]

Yep it's either an all or nothing change. You can't go switching between the two or you'll mess it up when relaxed and muscle memory takes over.

No? I switch between my race bike and my gf's gn250 without mucking it up.

that might be the difference in the bikes though lol

[Crasherfromwayback]

No? I switch between my race bike and my gf's gn250 without mucking it up.

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I used to jump from one to the other too. I reckon you soon program yourself to it.

[Deano]

I don't have any problem swapping between the two either, between race bike and road bike.

[sharp2183]

I've got differing shift patterns on each of my race bikes. Different bikes, different midset and it works well. Can't see much either way though.

[FJRider]

Yep it's either an all or nothing change. You can't go switching between the two or you'll mess it up when relaxed and muscle memory takes over.

Bike to bike ... bike to car ... whatever ... EXPERIENCED people can handle it.

Only idiots "mess it up" ...


If you know/think you'll ... "mess it up" ... stay in bed. It will be safer for us all ...

[ellipsis]

..i went drag racing the other day...met OAB...apart from doing 10.02's on his passes he was out on the track doing big wheelies and entertaining the crowd...and on the other side of the coin is someone who cant figure whats up and down...be careful with a power saw, is all i can add...

[slowpoke]

Bike to bike ... bike to car ... whatever ... EXPERIENCED people can handle it.

Only idiots "mess it up" ...


If you know/think you'll ... "mess it up" ... stay in bed. It will be safer for us all ...


What class are you racing the FJ in? What shift pattern are you running?

[nodrog]

this fulla Max somthing or rather seems to do alright on his RSV4 with standard shift. But I dont think he is on KB so it must be a lie.

[FJRider]

What class are you racing the FJ in? What shift pattern are you running?

I hold licenses 1-6 plus a few extra's ... and have owned and ridden Jap and (older) Italian bikes, and never have an issue with changing from one to another.

If anybody can't go from one bike to another ... that has different shift patterns, then perhaps they aren't as skilled as they (should ??) could be.

[slowpoke]

I hold licenses 1-6 plus a few extra's ... and have owned and ridden Jap and (older) Italian bikes, and never have an issue with changing from one to another.

If anybody can't go from one bike to another ... that has different shift patterns, then perhaps they aren't as skilled as they (should ??) could be.

So I'll take that as a "no" on the race/track work then? And you insist on passing judgement? Interesting mindset you have........

[Dave-]

So I'll take that as a "no" on the race/track work then? And you insist on passing judgement? Interesting mindset you have........

This is the sport/road/wannabe section though.

[FJRider]

So I'll take that as a "no" on the race/track work then? And you insist on passing judgement? Interesting mindset you have........

You have obvious trouble seeing the difference between "judgement" and opinion ... no wonder you have issues with gear change patterns .. and it is Road/sport section ...

As for my race experience ... you may never know ...

[CHOPPA]

Never found a need for it and when I tried it I hated it

[Crasherfromwayback]

Never found a need for it and when I tried it I hated it

Your current race bike is an automatic anyway innit? :scooter:

[slowpoke]

Do many of you track day guys/ racers use reverse gear shift pattern? Im considering doing it to my bike as I dont ride on the road anymore and find upshifting out of left handers a pain in the arse with standard shifting.

thanks


You have obvious trouble seeing the difference between "judgement" and opinion ... no wonder you have issues with gear change patterns .. and it is Road/sport section ...

As for my race experience ... you may never know ...

Oh I have lots of issues but reading isn't one of them, and I can recommend reading the thread starter which asks a specific question (see above).

Take a look at yourself man, d'you really wanna play cute lil' word games? I'm waaaay to old 'n burnt out for that shit.

[cowboyz]

finding other solutions......

I always had trouble with finding room for my foot as I habitually 'prepare' for the upshift with my foot sitting under the gear lever. I couldnt ever process the idea behind race pattern (just me really) so I raised the gear lever enough to give me more clearance and left it as street pattern.

[CHOPPA]

Bike to bike ... bike to car ... whatever ... EXPERIENCED people can handle it.

Only idiots "mess it up" ...


If you know/think you'll ... "mess it up" ... stay in bed. It will be safer for us all ...

It's easy to get it right riding slow

[DEATH_INC.]

Never found a need for it and when I tried it I hated it
WTF would you know??? :Pokey:

[jasonu]

So unless you're Mick Doohan, Anthony Gobert or Matt Mladin, I'd recommend it. Those freaks were that fast every where it mattered not a fuck which way the gear lever was set up! Pretty sure from memory they all ran street pattern.

K. Scwantz ran the street pattern too.