Hells Angels 1965

[Conquiztador]

http://life.time.com/culture/hells-angels-rare-photos-by-bill-ray-1965/?iid=lf%7Clatest#1

Interesting read and some pics too.

[Subike]

Thanks for that link, Interesting read and pics.

[scumdog]

Just finished looking at a heap of HA pics from the 70's, amazing how back then people (including HA etc) didn't feel obliged to 'flip the bird' at the camera, I guess they were more mature back then...

[Padmei]

Interesting read. They certainly looked like characters back then.

[Ender EnZed]

amazing how back then people (including HA etc) didn't feel obliged to 'flip the bird' at the camera, I guess they were more mature back then...

Or not.

See pic 22 from the link.

[Conquiztador]

Thanks to mod who changed my title from Ha (I actually wrote HA. Hate how the title here can only handle one capital letter, then changes all others to lower case) but please note: It is not Hell's. It is Hells.

[scumdog]

Or not.

See pic 22 from the link.


There's always one eh...

But now every pimply-faced oik on two wheels feel they have to do it, in fact even without the 'two wheels' bit, WTF??:confused:

[unstuck]

Some cool pics there, some good ones of Buzzard.:Punk:

[willytheekid]

There's always one eh...

But now every pimply-faced oik on two wheels feel they have to do it, in fact even without the 'two wheels' bit, WTF??:confused:
:wavey:......:wavey:.............:wavey:.......... ..................:wavey:......................... .......:wavey:
Ohhh...its ok big guy...I is always giving Popo friendly wave when I see's them:yes:
http://www.raywj.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/user_submission_image_full/user-submission/77/slender-mans-retarded-cousin.jpg
...I especialy like waving at the nice man who points that two handed "lazer camera thingy" at me...and I don't stop till he waves back!:eek:


Merry Xmas Scummy...hope you have a good one:niceone:


:wavey:......:wavey:.............:wavey:.......... ..................:wavey:......................... .......:wavey:

[george formby]

If you liked that you will love this. Outlaws (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Outlaws-Inside-Hells-Angel-Biker/dp/144471662X/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top).
Fascinating book. How they started to what they are now.

[Conquiztador]

In March 2013 the book "Patched: The History of Gangs in New Zealand" will be available. Promising to be interesting.

http://www.press.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/home/browse-books/forthcoming/notices/template/notice_item.jsp?cid=524535

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ummm...what's going on in pic # 8?

[Conquiztador]

Ummm...what's going on in pic # 8?

Shock effect.

[skippa1]

Ummm...what's going on in pic # 8?
yeah I thought the same......a little man love happening there? Maybe they developed some feelings for each other in pic 6?

[GSF]

Ummm...what's going on in pic # 8?

Hells Angels made a thing out of kissing each other when photos were being taken of them. It was a shock value thing, meant to freak out the squares.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hells Angels made a thing out of kissing each other when photos were being taken of them. It was a shock value thing, meant to freak out the squares.

Likely excuse!

[Zedder]

They seemed like a jolly bunch, riding around drinking lashings of Coca-Cola etc but I noticed a few of them slouching.

[skippa1]

Hells Angels made a thing out of kissing each other when photos were being taken of them. It was a shock value thing, meant to freak out the squares.

I wonder why they dont do it now? They should probably be leading the drive on gay marriage to keep things current

[GSF]

I wonder why they dont do it now? They should probably be leading the drive on gay marriage to keep things current

Guess it's a lot harder to freak out squares now that it was in 1960s USA.

There's a really good book by Hunter S. Thompson called Hells Angels. He went and spent a lot of time hanging out with the original Californian group in around the same time that LIFE photo essay was done.
Really interesting look into how the first Angels lived, I don't know much about MC gangs but seems like the modern Angels are a completely different thing altogether.

[GSF]

Some pictures Hunter S. Thompson took while writing his book on HAs

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m760xs8TIj1qcglluo1_500.jpg

http://www.thisisthewhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/1660_680.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CBoaH2EUwJI/Tj9Wy7uf12I/AAAAAAAABEk/c7SD6Eb5HyU/s1600/Hunter+S.+Thompson+-+Hells+Angels+2.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sFx7n-YnZoE/Tj9W9znFi_I/AAAAAAAABEo/ndLdM37pbXM/s1600/Hunter+S.+Thompson+-+Hells+Angels+5.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aA685whtIFo/Tj9W_Wiy5JI/AAAAAAAABEs/sI3Cxqv-o_g/s1600/Hunter+S.+Thompson+-+Hells+Angels+4.jpg

Not a big H-D enthusiast but some of the 60s and 70s style Angels bikes were fucking cool.

[F5 Dave]

So what's all the fascination of glorifying gang members? A bunch of criminals & nothing more. Why give them some sort of status?

[GSF]

So what's all the fascination of glorifying gang members? A bunch of criminals & nothing more. Why give them some sort of status?

I see them as just one of many fascinating byproducts of a fascinating time (1960s USA).
Doesn't mean I condone the shit they got up to, because a lot of it was not very nice.

And some of them did have really cool bikes.

[unstuck]

So what's all the fascination of glorifying gang members? A bunch of criminals & nothing more. Why give them some sort of status?

So every motorcycle gang member has a criminal conviction? Please share where you found that pearl of knowledge.:shifty:

[onearmedbandit]

So what's all the fascination of glorifying gang members? A bunch of criminals & nothing more. Why give them some sort of status?

'Outlaws' have always held the public's fascination. Wrong side of the tracks sort of thing. Heck even I got caught up in some shit a few years back with a well known gang here because to me it was interesting. Took me a while to realise for them it wasn't just 'interesting', it was their way of life.

[F5 Dave]

So every motorcycle gang member has a criminal conviction? Please share where you found that pearl of knowledge.:shifty:

You're right. they set these clubs up to perform civic charity. Why I bet as indoctrination they have to help little old ladies cross the road and collect merit badges. Oh hold on, that's the Boy Scouts.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh hold on, that's the Boy Scouts.

No. That's where you go if you want an anal rebore.

[imdying]

So every motorcycle gang member has a criminal conviction? Please share where you found that pearl of knowledge.:shifty:Well I guess their could be some that are either yet to be caught or too pussy to do anything naughty, but seems unlikely.

[skippa1]

You're right. they set these clubs up to perform civic charity. Why I bet as indoctrination they have to help little old ladies cross the road and collect merit badges. Oh hold on, that's the Boy Scouts.

when was the last time a motorcycle "gang" did you some harm.....or anyone you know?

[Paul in NZ]

when was the last time a motorcycle "gang" did you some harm.....or anyone you know?

Last payday... My income tax to chase down drug dealers was up along with my tax contribution to general law enforcement and medical care....

[imdying]

when was the last time a motorcycle "gang" did you some harm.....or anyone you know?Why would the harm have to be personal to him to be relevant? How can selling meth only to people I don't even know reduce the criminality of the action?

I've never been killed by a drunk driver, so they must all be good cunts by your logic.

[Conquiztador]

Let's try again:

1. Please, could the mod who changed the original heading make it correct and remove that aphostrophe in HELL'S to make it HELLS

2. This thread was started to provide some insight in to a time gone (60's) through the writing and the pictures as provided in the OP. Nothing else. There was never an intention to indicate if what the HA then in US did was right or wrong. Nor was this thread started to dicuss gangs in general.

I know this is KB and I know there is no way to steer the postings, so I will leave it at that.

[Paul in NZ]

Let's try again:

1. Please, could the mod who changed the original heading make it correct and remove that aphostrophe in HELL'S to make it HELLS

2. This thread was started to provide some insight in to a time gone (60's) through the writing and the pictures as provided in the OP. Nothing else. There was never an intention to indicate if what the HA then in US did was right or wrong. Nor was this thread started to dicuss gangs in general.

I know this is KB and I know there is no way to steer the postings, so I will leave it at that.

Yup - KB is a random comment generator...

There are some interesting bikes in there though... Very nice

[skippa1]

Why would the harm have to be personal to him to be relevant? How can selling meth only to people I don't even know reduce the criminality of the action?

I've never been killed by a drunk driver, so they must all be good cunts by your logic.

you've got too far between the lines...meth dealers are scum cunts, just like drunk drivers. There is no relevance to the harm being personal, other than the fact that I don't know anyone that has been harmed by motorcycle gangs, he doesn't by the looks, and when I ride with other people, they dont talk about the harm that motorcycle gangs have caused them. I have heard plenty of stories about MM, Black Power, Killer Bees etc though. I know plenty that have run foul of them, I have had trouble myself with the MM.

[skippa1]

Let's try again:

1. Please, could the mod who changed the original heading make it correct and remove that aphostrophe in HELL'S to make it HELLS

2. This thread was started to provide some insight in to a time gone (60's) through the writing and the pictures as provided in the OP. Nothing else. There was never an intention to indicate if what the HA then in US did was right or wrong. Nor was this thread started to dicuss gangs in general.

I know this is KB and I know there is no way to steer the postings, so I will leave it at that.


good call. Im done

[george formby]

you've got too far between the lines...meth dealers are scum cunts, just like drunk drivers. There is no relevance to the harm being personal, other than the fact that I don't know anyone that has been harmed by motorcycle gangs, he doesn't by the looks, and when I ride with other people, they dont talk about the harm that motorcycle gangs have caused them. I have heard plenty of stories about MM, Black Power, Killer Bees etc though. I know plenty that have run foul of them, I have had trouble myself with the MM.


Whats the difference? An MC, motorcycle club, could be Uylsses, knocking over chemists for denture fixative.... Or an MCC, motor cycle club, with international affiliations for the purpose of organised crime which is what MM, Black Power etc are.
Their is a world of difference between a social group, which the original gangs were & the modern incarnation which are criminal business focused but smart enough to trade on the lingering life style aura of the 50's and 60's.
I may have my MC & MCC arse about face, no offence intended.
Last time I rode down to Paeroa, a "gang" the name of which escapes me, nearly ran me off the road twice. Thundering past inches away. Second time, I was really tempted to put a swerve into the cretin looming in my mirror & play ten pin with them, but... Sense prevailed. I think they were patched up accountants & chiropractors letting the bad boy out for awhile.

[onearmedbandit]

Are BP and MM really motorcycle gangs though?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Are BP and MM really motorcycle gangs though?

Not even. Most aren't smart enough to be able to ride motorcycles.

[onearmedbandit]

Not even. Most aren't smart enough to be able to ride motorcycles.

Exactly. I was waiting to see if anyone would argue they are.

[Motu]

when was the last time a motorcycle "gang" did you some harm.....or anyone you know?

The early HA in NZ (first official chapter outside USA) had a business card - these guys were usually above average riders, with some mechanical nouse too, riding British bikes had that effect. They would stop to help people broken down on the side of the road...and hand them the card - You Have Been Helped by a member of The Hells Angels. I've seen the card. Gangs have come a long way from hooligans on motorcycles.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Exactly. I was waiting to see if anyone would argue they are.

The smart ones get out of the gang. I've got a couple of customers from each gang you mentioned...genuinely smart cookies and actually funny/nice guys. The dummies stay put.

[willytheekid]

Are BP and MM really motorcycle gangs though?

Pffft!..some of the M&M's are!:wait:
http://bikieroarscampaign.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/biker-mm-blue-cool.gif?w=580
...but I could be wrong :confused:

[Brian d marge]

Most of you all got shafted by a gang
Ulysses
When they had your back in the acc fight..( not)

Stephen

[1billyboy]

The early HA in NZ (first official chapter outside USA) had a business card - these guys were usually above average riders, with some mechanical nouse too, riding British bikes had that effect. They would stop to help people broken down on the side of the road...and hand them the card - You Have Been Helped by a member of The Hells Angels. I've seen the card. Gangs have come a long way from hooligans on motorcycles.

Used to know a few of them. A couple of them have have turned the corner of the road.

[george formby]

Used to know a few of them. A couple of them have have turned the corner of the road.

The longer you live the more you learn. The trick is, too live a lot for a long time. The hotter the flame & all that.

[Conquiztador]

The originals...

274808

[scumdog]

The originals...

The REAL ones...

[george formby]

The originals...

274808

Perhaps the beginning. Disillusioned vets with no place in society just trying to feel alive in peacetime after facing death during the war. Probably the true bikers, like D H Lawrence, all the rest are chasing a dream.

[AD345]

Check out the Kiwi originals just a few years later

NZ HA doco 1972 (http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/if-youre-in-it-youre-in-it-to-the-limit-bikies-1972)

Only two (OK three) words will do

Hard case, man

[Conquiztador]

The REAL ones...

Yep. Thou as some of them, when they returned, started up HA (the bike club), you could argue that they still were the First/Original/Real ones when they did ride their bikes.

[1billyboy]

The longer you live the more you learn. The trick is, too live a lot for a long time. The hotter the flame & all that.

Have been around for a bit. Hope to do a bit more before I hang up my helmet.

[Conquiztador]

Check out the Kiwi originals just a few years later

NZ HA doco 1972 (http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/if-youre-in-it-youre-in-it-to-the-limit-bikies-1972)

Only two (OK three) words will do

Hard case, man

THANKS! I really enjoyed that!!!

[onearmedbandit]

Perhaps the beginning. Disillusioned vets with no place in society just trying to feel alive in peacetime after facing death during the war. Probably the true bikers, like D H Lawrence, all the rest are chasing a dream.

Not according to their own website. No association with the military Hell's Angels.

http://www.hells-angels.com/?HA=history

[scumdog]

Perhaps the beginning. Disillusioned vets with no place in society just trying to feel alive in peacetime after facing death during the war. Probably the true bikers, like D H Lawrence, all the rest are chasing a dream.

The romantacists view I suspect...

[Brian d marge]

The longer you live the more you learn. The trick is, too live a lot for a long time. The hotter the flame & all that.
Its getting harder and harder ,

and me dick is getting softer and softer

soon Ill need an electric start ...me and the bike

Stephen

[george formby]

Check out the Kiwi originals just a few years later

NZ HA doco 1972 (http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/if-youre-in-it-youre-in-it-to-the-limit-bikies-1972)

Only two (OK three) words will do

Hard case, man

Where are they now? I would love to hear that story brought upto date.

[Motu]

Yeah, that clip is hard case alright, because that's how it was. I laugh at this whole new biker culture of people reliving the '70's....or at least what they thought the '70's was, because they missed it. There was no strutting around in leather and looking heavy...it was just hooligans on bikes.

[Conquiztador]

Yeah, that clip is hard case alright, because that's how it was. I laugh at this whole new biker culture of people reliving the '70's....or at least what they thought the '70's was, because they missed it. There was no strutting around in leather and looking heavy...it was just hooligans on bikes.

There was a search for something. And I am still searching... We used to ride in ripped jeans. And when they started falling apart too much we added another pair.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Only two (OK three) words will do



Retards are us.

[scumdog]

Yeah, that clip is hard case alright, because that's how it was. I laugh at this whole new biker culture of people reliving the '70's....or at least what they thought the '70's was, because they missed it. There was no strutting around in leather and looking heavy...it was just hooligans on bikes.

True.

Nobody I know tried to cultivate an 'image' like they do now.

Greasy hands, torn jeans, raggedy flannel shirts/t-shirts, steel-caps and PJ Proby jackets...

[Zedder]

Yeah, that clip is hard case alright, because that's how it was. I laugh at this whole new biker culture of people reliving the '70's....or at least what they thought the '70's was, because they missed it. There was no strutting around in leather and looking heavy...it was just hooligans on bikes.

The BBC did a couple of docos in 1985 about the British HA, it was much the same but with increased drunkeness.

[Conquiztador]

Retards are us.

You are missing the point. Badly.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You are missing the point. Badly.

Like fuck I am. I deal with 1%ers on a reg basis. I'm surprised HA let them affiliate. Bet if they'd seen that clip they would've ousted them.

[Motu]

There was a search for something. And I am still searching... We used to ride in ripped jeans. And when they started falling apart too much we added another pair.

And no wet weather gear, just another pair of jeans. These days people struggle for ''The Look'', and pay huge money for it, in those days the look just happened through dishevelment. I think I may have even invented a look - I had a ruined leather jacket, studs and everything (found it somewhere) but with a broken zip, and I also had a cut off DJ that wouldn't do up over the jacket....so I got some dog collars (don't remember what happened to the dogs) and bolted them to the DJ, I couldn't sew, but I knew bolts. I would wrap the double breasted leather jacket across my body, and buckle the 3 straps to close the DJ, crude but it worked for years. I laugh now when I see people with vests over their leather jacket done up with straps and buckles.

[Conquiztador]

Like fuck I am. I deal with 1%ers on a reg basis. I'm surprised HA let them affiliate. Bet if they'd seen that clip they would've ousted them.

And you are still making the same mistake: Judging a group of 70's riders by 2012 "values". It will never work. I agree: The group that is portrayed in these two videos would not have fitted in as they were today in 2012. But then it was 1970. 40 years ago. Much has changed. Including the bikie scene. For better or worse? We all have our opinion.

[Conquiztador]

And no wet weather gear, just another pair of jeans. These days people struggle for ''The Look'', and pay huge money for it, in those days the look just happened through dishevelment. I think I may have even invented a look - I had a ruined leather jacket, studs and everything (found it somewhere) but with a broken zip, and I also had a cut off DJ that wouldn't do up over the jacket....so I got some dog collars (don't remember what happened to the dogs) and bolted them to the DJ, I couldn't sew, but I knew bolts. I would wrap the double breasted leather jacket across my body, and buckle the 3 straps to close the DJ, crude but it worked for years. I laugh now when I see people with vests over their leather jacket done up with straps and buckles.

Nice! I also did something similar, but my "invention" did not take off: It was raining like no tomorrow and I had to get back, so I bought 1/2 doz black rubbish bags and taped them on to my body. I stayed dry, but somehow nobody seems to have copied me... ;-)

[Motu]

Like fuck I am. I deal with 1%ers on a reg basis..

The title of the thread is HA 1965, you deal with 1%ers in 2012....that's the point. In 45 years the bike club scene has gone from hooligans on bikes to something much more sinister. But I'm sure they are still good fun to have a beer with.

[Crasherfromwayback]

And you are still making the same mistake: Judging a group of 70's riders by 2012 "values". It will never work. I agree: The group that is portrayed in these two videos would not have fitted in as they were today in 2012. But then it was 1970. 40 years ago. Much has changed. Including the bikie scene. For better or worse? We all have our opinion.

No I'm not. I was judging a group of retards that weren't very smart by today's or yesterdays standards. They were scrawny looking lightweights that would've got a fucking hiding by anyone that they tried to piss on had it not been for the numbers they cruised in.

I may not be as old as yourself...but I've been around a while and seen a fair bit. I was born in 1966, and started riding motorcycles in 1976. I've not been without one since. I've ridden with gansters and top road racers/moto-x'ers in that time.

I didn't state the 'bikie scene' is better or worse now that it was then. What I did say is the guys in the film clip came across as try hard wankers.

[Conquiztador]

No I'm not. I was judging a group of retards that weren't very smart by today's or yesterdays standards. They were scrawny looking lightweights that would've got a fucking hiding by anyone that they tried to piss on had it not been for the numbers they cruised in.

I may not be as old as yourself...but I've been around a while and seen a fair bit. I was born in 1966, and started riding motorcycles in 1976. I've not been without one since. I've ridden with gansters and top road racers/moto-x'ers in that time.

I didn't state the 'bikie scene' is better or worse now that it was then. What I did say is the guys in the film clip came across as try hard wankers.

We clearly see the vids in a diffrenet light. I did see a snapshot from the past (that belongs there) of a group of guys with 1970's bikes and 1970's values making a stand against the society in 1970. They were accepted as HA by the Americans in the 70's, and rest (as they say) is history.

(For the record, when I see pics of my self from the 70's and 80's I cringe. Luckily nobody has a recording of my opinions from then...)

[Crasherfromwayback]

(For the record, when I see pics of my self from the 70's and 80's I cringe. Luckily nobody has a recording of my opinions from then...)

You no doubt looked badder assed than them though. And if you compare the Californian lot to ours...

[Paul in NZ]

Meh... Growing up in ChCh and riding british bikes in the 70's you were always going to come in contact with that scene.

I was lucky in that my rebellion didnt cost me a skilled trade or break down any family links. The difference between what the guys in the gangs were doing and what we were doing was however enormous. Their world was more violent and less free. We didn't have presidents and any structure we just did what we wanted and rode our bikes a lot.

The gear questions a goodie. Motorcycle gear was REALLY expensive relative to wages so much of the 'look' was based on making do with what you could get cheap (in my case)... I still remember riding to the cold kiwi in a pair of 'ski' overalls my gf made for me (made from some pattern her sister found). Looked bloody awful but worked a treat but not exactly HA clobber...

Yes - modern gangsters are looking meaner but comparatively to the times those guys were plenty mean and feared. But then they were a lot younger than todays gangsters. 17 or 18 compared to 35 so yeah - they don't have quite the same meat on their bones

[Motu]

You no doubt looked badder assed than them though. ...

There is a guy in that vid who looks remarkably like Conquiztador....if I didn't know better....

[Crasherfromwayback]

There is a guy in that vid who looks remarkably like Conquiztador....if I didn't know better....

lol. I've seen a modern pic of him on his HOG...but can't recall. You still at the same home address?

[Zedder]

Here's the British version from 1973: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng8Ll7x08Vk&playnext=1&list=PLC96611EF9DE5FEAD&feature=results_video

[duckonin]

. They were scrawny looking lightweights that (would've got a fucking hiding by anyone) that they tried to piss on had it not been for the numbers they cruised in

Sadly you would be mistaken on that score. They took no prisoners. Wether individually or together. Keep well clear of a rattle snake,they bite hard.

[Banditbandit]

Yeah, that clip is hard case alright, because that's how it was. I laugh at this whole new biker culture of people reliving the '70's....or at least what they thought the '70's was, because they missed it. There was no strutting around in leather and looking heavy...it was just hooligans on bikes.

Yeah ... 'twas ... but fuck it was fun ...


There was a search for something. And I am still searching... We used to ride in ripped jeans. And when they started falling apart too much we added another pair.


I've still got the two-pair of jeans and a cut off denim jacket in my shed .. and an old army great coat I ued to ride in ..



Retards are us.


Yeah ... they are now ... why I don't ride with them any longer ... fucking dicks ...

[skippa1]

and an old army great coat I ued to ride in ..
.

Now that's a trip down memory lane.....they got so heavy when it pissed down with rain haha

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah ... they are now ... why I don't ride with them any longer ... fucking dicks ...

I reckon each to their own and all that. But I've never been drawn to riding in groups etc. Sheepish like behaviour to me.

[Zedder]

I reckon each to their own and all that. But I've never been drawn to riding in groups etc. Sheepish like behaviour to me.

I had one rave on to me once about them being nonconforming, outlaws blah blah but they look alike, dress alike, ride similar bikes etc. Yeah sure, they're non conforming. Sheepish behaviour alright Crasher.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I had one rave on to me once about them being nonconforming, outlaws blah blah but they look alike, dress alike, ride similar bikes etc. Yeah sure, they're non conforming. Sheepish behaviour alright Crasher.

Bit like the Hoggers. They all rark me about about my 'multi coloured' Arai. "Where's ya black helmet!!??" Ummmmm....last time I chose to wear a uniform I was at college.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sadly you would be mistaken on that score. They took no prisoners. Wether individually or together. Keep well clear of a rattle snake,they bite hard.

And if you know/knew them personally and are correct, I stand corrected!

[Paul in NZ]

Of course I was waaay tougher....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Of course I was waaay tougher....

On our left? Dig ya bike!

[GSF]

Of course I was waaay tougher....

Like the cycle! What's the go with the white headers, paint or ceramic-type coating?

[scumdog]

Of course I was waaay tougher....

Was white the black back then?? (Helmets that is)

[Road kill]

Funny how life changes "I started riding in 1972 and liked brittish bikes because before they stopped riding all of my family rode British because that's basicly all there was.

But by the end of 72 I considered all Brittish bike riders to be nothing but dirt bags "because by then most of them were.

For at lest 20 years owning a bonnie was a waste of time unless you knew people,,and even then it could just as likely be those very people you knew that would be trying to steal your bike.

The HA's just went from being bike thief drunken violent cunts to being rich drug dealer violent cunts.

Through a family member that I have fuck all to do with here I've run into a couple of the HA's twice in the last couple of years,, both times I was offered P or coke while my shit head relative was franticlly trying to catch their attension from behind my back to let them know "I was not" one of the boys.

I also have a brother that is a member of the gypsy joker mc in Oz and a sister married to a highway 61 member,,,their exactly the same but with a different cartoon.

All you dreamers that think bike gang members are so cool,,,just be gratefull your not related to any of the vermin.

My brother and sister destroyed our parents last years with their constant shit,,cops parked out side at all hours,,cops following and standing over family members because of who they were related to.

Kids that haven't seen their fathers at xmas "ever" because he's always been on the club xmas run.

Kids that have had their bed rooms turned up side down at 2:00am while armed cops keep them out of their own homes because of what daddy and his mates have been up to this time.

Family event's taken over and ruined by stand over tactics and piss weak cunts trying to prove themselves to the "the club".

More resentlly,,wives and kids not being able to stay in their own fucking homes due to drive by shootings.

I had my own future in Australia bought to an abrupt halt by the Australian/NSW police within one week of them finding out I was related to a joker and a 61 toss,,,,five years and thousands of dollars down the drain over night.

1%ers are cool,,,yeah cry me a river ya fucking dreamers.

[Brian d marge]

Funny how life changes "I started riding in 1972 and liked brittish bikes because before they stopped riding all of my family rode British because that's basicly all there was.

But by the end of 72 I considered all Brittish bike riders to be nothing but dirt bags "because by then most of them were.

For at lest 20 years owning a bonnie was a waste of time unless you knew people,,and even then it could just as likely be those very people you knew that would be trying to steal your bike.

The HA's just went from being bike thief drunken violent cunts to being rich drug dealer violent cunts.

Through a family member that I have fuck all to do with here I've run into a couple of the HA's twice in the last couple of years,, both times I was offered P or coke while my shit head relative was franticlly trying to catch their attension from behind my back to let them know "I was not" one of the boys.

I also have a brother that is a member of the gypsy joker mc in Oz and a sister married to a highway 61 member,,,their exactly the same but with a different cartoon.

All you dreamers that think bike gang members are so cool,,,just be gratefull your not related to any of the vermin.

My brother and sister destroyed our parents last years with their constant shit,,cops parked out side at all hours,,cops following and standing over family members because of who they were related to.

Kids that haven't seen their fathers at xmas "ever" because he's always been on the club xmas run.

Kids that have had their bed rooms turned up side down at 2:00am while armed cops keep them out of their own homes because of what daddy and his mates have been up to this time.

Family event's taken over and ruined by stand over tactics and piss weak cunts trying to prove themselves to the "the club".

More resentlly,,wives and kids not being able to stay in their own fucking homes due to drive by shootings.

I had my own future in Australia bought to an abrupt halt by the Australian/NSW police within one week of them finding out I was related to a joker and a 61 toss,,,,five years and thousands of dollars down the drain over night.

1%ers are cool,,,yeah cry me a river ya fucking dreamers.

Id agree with that. I prefer any to keep them at arms length ,

On saying that : As a young 9 yr old in the car going to golden bay for the family holiday , only to have 15 , 20 brit bikes stream past , was fascinating and probably got me into bikes

Stephen

ps 1966 was a very good year , we even won the world cup !

[Paul in NZ]

On our left? Dig ya bike!

good grief - in the middle - its the same bike which is why I posted the picture of it.... white vht paint was really 'out there' man and very umb on a leaky pre unit with no front guard

[1billyboy]

Was white the black back then?? (Helmets that is)

Just like Henry Ford said. Back then you could have any colour you liked as long as long as it was white. My first helmet was one of those pudding basin. Then I got a Jet styled white helmet. Really made you fly.

[Paul in NZ]

Was white the black back then?? (Helmets that is)

Actually that helmet was my 'going on a longish ride' one (we were off to lake Ohau). Because it was new (ish) it would nearly stay on at highway speeds and it cost $18 from 'Tommys Suzuki center' and it was actually a fetching powder blue... It was so ghey even my Vespa riding brother wouldnt borrow it... and thats why it was $2 cheaper than all its more attractive brothers.

I figured I was tough enough for it... Eventually it became black with silver ghost flames in a moment of drunken sartorial madness to match a gas tank I was painting... The helmet looked great but the tank looked rubbish so it ended up blue... go figure... Black tank went blue - blue helmet went black - sort of rebalanced the universe...

I seem to remember it came with a visor which was pre scratched from new and utterly opaque at night under lights. It was so wobbly it distorted at 35mph and at 50 flattened against your nose. Very useful... I generally used ex US Army WW2 welding goggles which were dirt cheap from Valentines.

That helmet had a lot of adventures and ended up a planter....

The whole black helmet thing was a protest against the helmet laws (in theory) although it never seemed 'organized' to be that. I did have another semi jet helmet that did up with domes and flew off your head at about 40mph. It was heavy beyond belief and I suspect it was made of lead and designed to protect sailors from radiation or something... Stupid blood thing. Mum threw Dads old 'corker' away cos even she could see it was really worse than useless which was a shame as I'd like it now.

I used the blue one for MX, speed trials and general hooning until I got a FFM full face which was nasty nasty nasty....

[Headbanger]

ffs, checked some fact, I was wrong as.

[Crasherfromwayback]

ffs, checked some fact, I was wrong as.

You talkin to me?

[Headbanger]

You talkin to me?

Nah, I was talkin to me, well, I started off talking to you, based on hazy memories and beer fueled bullshit, Then after posting I checked my facts, and FFS, I was wrong as.

Glad you asked?


Muhahahahahaha

[Swoop]

No. That's where you go if you want an anal rebore.
Surely you are referring to the catholic church?:crazy:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Glad you asked?


Hell yeah! It's nearly beer o'clock now too. Thank fuck.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Surely you are referring to the catholic church?:crazy:

Diff uniform, same result.

[cynna]

well they still put on a decent poker run

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4o6yKJA_4c

[Motu]

The whole black helmet thing was a protest against the helmet laws (in theory) although it never seemed 'organized' to be that.

The cops wore a plastic sort of half helmet back then...a mate of mine got one and painted it flat black. We were coming out of a pub one night on a '54 T'Bird and I was pillion with a crate on my knees, and a cop stopped us....the only thing he could find wrong was my mates helmet, flat black helmets were illegal back then. He had to back down when it was shown it was exactly the same as what he was wearing.

[Road kill]

I sort of remember a thing about Matt black helmets being illegal

Had to have a percentage of a different colour on them,so you just painted it black then kicked it around the car park for a bit.

Then if the MOT gave you grief you just said "fuck off mate" it's black an white:laugh:

[duckonin]

The cops wore a plastic sort of half helmet back then...a mate of mine got one and painted it flat black. We were coming out of a pub one night on a '54 T'Bird and I was pillion with a crate on my knees, and a cop stopped us....the only thing he could find wrong was my mates helmet, flat black helmets were illegal back then. He had to back down when it was shown it was exactly the same as what he was wearing.

So pray tell us all. If it was 'illegal' to wear a 'flat black' helmet why did the cop back down ? Forget your crap about being the same helmet he was wearing.

[_Shrek_]

Yeah, that clip is hard case alright, because that's how it was. I laugh at this whole new biker culture of people reliving the '70's....or at least what they thought the '70's was, because they missed it. There was no strutting around in leather and looking heavy...it was just hooligans on bikes.

Vulcun Lane queen st early 70's :whistle:

[unstuck]

Vulcun Lane queen st early 70's :whistle:

Was also good in the early 80s.;)

[_Shrek_]

Was also good in the early 80s.;)

I moved sth, saw the light you might say, after a stay in hotel ....

[Road kill]

So pray tell us all. If it was 'illegal' to wear a 'flat black' helmet why did the cop back down ? Forget your crap about being the same helmet he was wearing.

Probably because it was a piss weak law that never stood up in court anyway.

The helmet the cop was wearing was a plastic "Polstar" that had a proven reputation for breaking into three pieces along it's seams if it did hit the road with any force.

Happy now ?:yawn:

[Motu]

Vulcun Lane queen st early 70's :whistle:

Outside 246, that's where it all happened.

Yeah, it was the shitty plastic Polstar. A flat black helmet wasn't illegal, but part of the protest thing was to using any sort of helmet you could find and paint it black, making a joke out of the whole thing - so soon as he saw the matt black Polstar he knew something was wrong, but just didn't know how wrong it was.

[Coolz]

1971. Big anti Vietnam war protest march up Queen Street. Hells Angels outside 246 punching protesters and smashing up their signs.

After the march there was a mardi gras with bands playing at several locations along the street. I found out years later that it was supposed to be a party to honour our returned soldiers. At the time I was just a naive 15 year old who caught the bus to town because thats what you did on a Friday night in those days.

I rember it well. Kissed my first girl, an older hippie chic, under a tree in Albert park. She said "Make love to me" and I thought "What the hell do you think I'm doing" and kissed her harder! :laugh:

[cc rider]

Thanks guys. All the articles/pics/clips are cool to see.

When I was 16 a friends' older brother started teaching me guitar. He was a clubie (I didn't quite know what that was), the folks thought he was alright but what a lot of tatts. They made him come to the door to pick me up each time. lol. I've known quite a few over the years. Various clubs, various rankings. Some intimately; socially; through my business & now at work. Some are still friends decades later. Plus like CFWB, I deal with them wkly, so to me it's always been about the context in which you deal with an individual or group. They're all very nice when I'm cutting them a good deal on tyres ;)

No illusions. I've seen some scarey shit, but I've seen fucked behaviour from Joe Blows too.

I remember using paperbags or newspapers down the front of a rather oversized leather jkt to keep the wind out. And 2 pr of jeans in winter. I'm such a sook these days... all thermal gear :cold:

It'd be interesting to see what those early guys are doing now & what they think of modern counterparts.

And as a female... never had anything 'ungentlemanly' happen. At 20 I even got rescued by some club members (friends) when a housemate went off the rails.

Oh and Pic #22... it's a Chic :laugh:

CC

[Motu]

It'd be interesting to see what those early guys are doing now & what they think of modern counterparts.


From the ones I've known and seen about, a lot still ride bikes, but aren't acting like they were some heavy 1%er in the '60's or '70's. Some are riding Harleys, but most still show a keen interest in bikes and have moved on in what they ride.

[Crasherfromwayback]

A fitting tribute.

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[Padmei]

I'm nearly finished reading the "outlaws" book. Sometimes interesting, increasingly repetitive but a good insight to the rules etc.
I read some info about joining the Ulysses a while ago. I had a laugh when I read you have to be a hangaround & see if you fit in etc then when I started having a look at some of the ridiculously detailed rules I had a bit more of a laugh.
I was amazed while reading the 'outlaws ' book the sometimes anal rules the bikies had as part of their membership commitments & thought that it didn't seem particularly wild & free as it seemed.

[scumdog]

I had a laugh when I read you have to be a hangaround & see if you fit in etc then when I started having a look at some of the ridiculously detailed rules I had a bit more of a laugh.
I was amazed while reading the 'outlaws ' book the sometimes anal rules the bikies had as part of their membership commitments & thought that it didn't seem particularly wild & free as it seemed.


I always thought it sad that a person had to do the hangaround/prospect thing etc before being 'accepted' into a group.

Any group demanding that wasn't worth it imho.

Anyone wanting to join under those conditions has something lacking and/or is 'needing' something, has something missing in their life

Just like a school-kids gang works I guess - it appeals to those who want to be 'cool', to be part of a group...

[duckonin]

I always thought it sad that a person had to do the hangaround/prospect thing etc before being 'accepted' into a group.

Any group demanding that wasn't worth it .


Very good example would be Kiwi Biker Huh !!!:yes:

[duckonin]

I'm nearly finished reading the "outlaws" book. Sometimes interesting, increasingly repetitive but a good insight to the rules etc.
I read some info about joining the Ulysses a while ago. I had a laugh when I read you have to be a hangaround & see if you fit in etc then when I started having a look at some of the ridiculously detailed rules I had a bit more of a laugh.
I was amazed while reading the 'outlaws ' book the sometimes anal rules the bikies had as part of their membership commitments & thought that it didn't seem particularly wild & free as it seemed.

Ulysses ridiculously detailed rules; Go on tell us all more about them. Put some on here for us to all laugh at. More to the point ,did you apply and get turned down ?;)

[flyingcrocodile46]

How gay ..

[joan of arc]

To many, the glamour of gangs is the freedom that they appear to have and which many lust after but are afraid to pursue.

Those who are blindly controlled by the morals of society and this included most Americans during the 1960s do not wish for this freedom as they prefer the well controlled lemming like existence of safety, security and working 9 to 5. Consequently those who rocked the foundations of their secure lives were seen not with fascination but with the same abhorrence that we look at people traffickers today.
Possibly we have changed a little, grown disillusioned with the idea that making a million bucks, driving a BMW, living in the suburbs and having a week in Fiji is the only way to be content. So, we look at those that have never thought this way and reckon that maybe they have it right. SOA and others of the same genre came along at the right time. But the darker side of the biker culture is that life is no less controlled than that of society at large. The rules are different but no less rigid and breaking them fraught with life altering consequences.

For some, the life of a biker is a magnet, for others it would never enter their mind to veer from the safe, straight and narrow. For most of us on KB, well, we choose bits from both and lead a life somewhere in-between.

[Padmei]

To many, the glamour of gangs is the freedom that they appear to have and which many lust after but are afraid to pursue.

Those who are blindly controlled by the morals of society and this included most Americans during the 1960s do not wish for this freedom as they prefer the well controlled lemming like existence of safety, security and working 9 to 5. Consequently those who rocked the foundations of their secure lives were seen not with fascination but with the same abhorrence that we look at people traffickers today.
Possibly we have changed a little, grown disillusioned with the idea that making a million bucks, driving a BMW, living in the suburbs and having a week in Fiji is the only way to be content. So, we look at those that have never thought this way and reckon that maybe they have it right. SOA and others of the same genre came along at the right time. But the darker side of the biker culture is that life is no less controlled than that of society at large. The rules are different but no less rigid and breaking them fraught with life altering consequences.

For some, the life of a biker is a magnet, for others it would never enter their mind to veer from the safe, straight and narrow. For most of us on KB, well, we choose bits from both and lead a life somewhere in-between.

You write really nice. that wasn't being KB sarcastic either.

[joan of arc]

You write really nice. that wasn't being KB sarcastic either.

Thanks

thanks covers it but is too short for KB to be happy with so this is simply here to make the reply long enough

[flyingcrocodile46]

Thanks

thanks covers it but is too short for KB to be happy with so this is simply here to make the reply long enough


Yup! It was a good observation (and not too long) but they are still gay. Look at pictures 6 and 8 (two gays kissing), 19 (how emo) and 25 (screams gay).

[SVboy]

A patched Epitaph rider passed us yesterday thru Amberly[on a V-rod I think?] Unusual to see them these days[in regailia]....very common in the 70s/early eighties.

[Conquiztador]

Yup! It was a good observation (and not too long) but they are still gay. Look at pictures 6 and 8 (two gays kissing), 19 (how emo) and 25 (screams gay).

How did you get all that knowledge about what is gay?

[flyingcarpet]

Very good example would be Kiwi Biker Huh !!!:yes:

everyone knows the PIGS are the biggest gang in NZ......wonder how scummy got let in there ?..thats right he went to school for 6 weeks to get his patch!
:Police:

[unstuck]

everyone knows the PIGS are the biggest gang in NZ......wonder how scummy got let in there ?..thats right he went to school for 6 weeks to get his patch!
:Police:

Obviously you have been in trouble with the popo at some stage(and judging by your post, you were acting like a fucktard) and have a huge chip on your shoulder about it. Grow up ya muppet.:motu:

[scumdog]

everyone knows the PIGS are the biggest gang in NZ......wonder how scummy got let in there ?..thats right he went to school for 6 weeks to get his patch!
:Police:

Trolling at its worst dude!:killingme:laugh::rofl:

"flyingcarpet makes an effort but must try harder"

[_Shrek_]

everyone knows the PIGS are the biggest gang in NZ......wonder how scummy got let in there ?..thats right he went to school for 6 weeks to get his patch!
:Police:

off to a flying start there, with post like this ya :tugger: if you get your hand off it long enough you'll find that the average :Police: an't all that bad deep down :msn-wink:

[flyingcarpet]

Fact: the police have publicly stated they are the biggest gang in NZ
Fact: six weeks to get a piggy patch
Fact:ive been in the shit before
Fact:ive been assaulted by a so called law enforcer
Fact:scum is in every walk of life
Fact:just stated it !

and its not a chip on my shoulder , thats called titanium

[scumdog]

Fact: the police have publicly stated they are the biggest gang in NZ
BULLSHIT: six weeks to get a piggy patch
Fact:ive been in the shit before
Fact:ive been assaulted by a so called law enforcer
Fact:scum is in every walk of life
Fact:just stated it !

and its not a chip on my shoulder , thats called titanium

Fixed one flaw for you - can't have you making a fool of yourself eh!

(Always trying to help...)

[flyingcarpet]

safer communities together ....

and by the way my mate of 30 odd years is a pig and he dont like be called piggy either.

spread the love

[Zedder]

everyone knows the PIGS are the biggest gang in NZ......wonder how scummy got let in there ?..thats right he went to school for 6 weeks to get his patch!
:Police:

Everyone knows? Bugger! Nah, it's ok I just checked.

It's clearly stated on this high quality source of information: http://www.topix.com/forum/world/new-zealand/TLS6PLC0IDGN1U8J1

[scumdog]

It's clearly stated on this high quality source of information: http://www.topix.com/forum/world/new-zealand/TLS6PLC0IDGN1U8J1

Wow, I didn't know so many 7 year-olds could read AND type that well!

[Zedder]

Wow, I didn't know so many 7 year-olds could read AND type that well!

Yep, great to see our tax dollars being put to such good use.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fact: the police have publicly stated they are the biggest gang in NZ
Fact: six weeks to get a piggy patch
Fact:ive been in the shit before
Fact:ive been assaulted by a so called law enforcer
Fact:scum is in every walk of life
Fact:just stated it !

and its not a chip on my shoulder , thats called titanium

So if your bike gets stolen one day...you won't go running to the 'pigs' to help you?

[cheshirecat]

So if your bike gets stolen one day...you won't go running to the 'pigs' to help you?
Doesn't need to run just gets on his car - pet
Oh and happy NY to you guys

[flyingcarpet]

So if your bike gets stolen one day...you won't go running to the 'pigs' to help you?

yup..not gona bother again.waste of everyones time . 2 bikes , if they really want your bike its gone...SUCKS

[Road kill]

yup..not gona bother again.waste of everyones time . 2 bikes , if they really want your bike its gone...SUCKS

Yep totally agree.

Talking to the cops is about the insurance process,,,,nothing more.