Help me prevent bad habits?

[Steven T]

Any experienced riders who would like to help a new comer? I learned to ride off road, but from your experience and hindsight are there any tips or habits I should be aware of before I commit stuff to memory? Things like checking over the shoulder is one I have been taught, so I am now consciously making an effort to do it, to commit it to memory. Also I have been reading Keith Code's Twist of the Wrist 2 and am trying to make things like accelerating through corners a habit.

Anyone got any tips etc. they wish they had been told when learning?

[Edbear]

Falling off can really hurt... :yes:

[skippa1]

you should clutch up wheelies as opposed to power stands, that way you dont gather speed so quickly and you have more control

[Tigadee]

Here's a list of noob mistakes (I've learnt anyway):
1. Forgetting the sidestand (and dropping bike)
2. Forgetting to turn off the indicator after turning
3. Stalling (and dropping bike)
4. Braking too hard/too soft (too hard and dropping bike, too soft and end up not stopping in time)
5. Letting the clutch out too fast
6. Putting yur foot out on the wrong side of a slope when stopping (resulting in a drop/fall :facepalm:)
7. Running out of petrol (won't usually happen if you've got a fuel gauge)
8. Running on near flat tyres (so check everytime you fill up)
9. Leaving the KILL switch off and then wondering why the bike is dead when I try to start it the next day!
10. Leaving the bike in first gear and bike jumps forward when you next start it (resulting in almost dropping bike :facepalm:)

[Blackbird]

Give some serious thought to some one on one coaching through Wayne Holden at Holden Driver Training in Hamilton. He's my IAM mentor and is outstanding. You could also give some serious thought about joining the IAM in due course. It's pretty demanding and not for everyone but the outcomes are fantastic.

[BigAl]

Here's a list of noob mistakes (I've learnt anyway):
1. Forgetting the sidestand (and dropping bike)
2. Forgetting to turn off the indicator after turning
3. Stalling (and dropping bike)
4. Braking too hard/too soft (too hard and dropping bike, too soft and end up not stopping in time)
5. Letting the clutch out too fast
6. Putting yur foot out on the wrong side of a slope when stopping (resulting in a drop/fall :facepalm:)
7. Running out of petrol (won't usually happen if you've got a fuel gauge)
8. Running on near flat tyres (so check everytime you fill up)
9. Leaving the KILL switch off and then wondering why the bike is dead when I try to start it the next day!
10. Leaving the bike in first gear and bike jumps forward when you next start it (resulting in almost dropping bike :facepalm:)

Shit you've dropped your bike a alot! Tigadee

[SMOKEU]

Only do a runner from the cops if you know you can get away with it.

[Geeen]

Check out ProRider, absolutely awesome people who know their stuff. All sorts of courses for all levels of rider. The best money you can spend on your bike is Rider Training.

[varminter]

Dodgy one is leaning the bike without countersteering. It can be done (I know) and for what it's worth, is a good reason for missing bends and ending up in the proverbial.

[BoristheBiter]

Do at least level one of the California superbike school.
I know it is expensive but what you will learn is worth much more.
Also they teach the Keith Code style so can see what is meant in the book.

[DEATH_INC.]

Do at least level one of the California superbike school.
I know it is expensive but what you will learn is worth much more.
Also they teach the Keith Code style so can see what is meant in the book.
I'm pretty sure it IS Keiths school.
But I'd back this idea too, if you've done offroad you know the basics, this'll help get you into road mode.

[BoristheBiter]

I'm pretty sure it IS Keiths school.
But I'd back this idea too, if you've done offroad you know the basics, this'll help get you into road mode.

Yes you are right :2thumbsup but as he more than likely will not be there they teach what is in the book.

I went from dirt to road and tried to take what i had learnt and it wasn't until i did CSS i realized what i should be doing.

[Dogboy900]

A couple of things I have found that help.

When you are out on the road always ride in a position in your lane that makes you most visible to other traffic.

Always expect that other traffic is out to get you!
(They probably arent but a healthy dose of paranoia helps you avoid drivers not paying attention)

[madandy]

When on the opn road, approaching blind corners in particular Employ the late apex corneting technique and always expect the unexpected - like a truck in a dip, hidden round a blind corner, or a car on the wrong side of the road...be prepared. :2thumbsup

Enjoy your journey!

[Katman]

Forget Keith Code.

He's a twat.

Get this book instead.
<img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ApKFWw47MOk/Tc2RfKl6UwI/AAAAAAAAAS8/Yuga6hj7b0o/s1600/motorcycle-roadcraft-the-police-riders-handbook-70-p.jpg"/>

[Laava]

Always blow on the pie!

[BoristheBiter]

Forget Keith Code.

He's a twat.

And you would know all about being a twat.

[Tigadee]

Shit you've dropped your bike a alot! Tigadee

All part of the learning process, sir, all part of the learning process... At least I've learned my lessons and have not dropped my bike since those!

And I figure karma will mean that if I get these out of the way early, I won't have any in the future... Time for a Tui! :drinknsin

[HenryDorsetCase]

Certainly.


No masturbation.
Read your bible daily.
Eat healthy food
Drink lots of water.
No alcohol.
No Rock and Roll
Sell your motorcycle
Buy a Toyota Corolla
Get a good steady job with a Government Department
Work for 45 years then die





You're welcome.

[Zedder]

Certainly.


No masturbation.
Read your bible daily.
Eat healthy food
Drink lots of water.
No alcohol.
No Rock and Roll
Sell your motorcycle
Buy a Toyota Corolla
Get a good steady job with a Government Department
Work for 45 years then die





You're welcome.

What about slip slop slap wrap HDC? No list is complete without that.

[Stirts]

Certainly.


No masturbation.
Read your bible daily.
Eat healthy food
Drink lots of water.
No alcohol.
No Rock and Roll
Sell your motorcycle
Buy a Toyota Corolla
Get a good steady job with a Government Department
Work for 45 years then die





You're welcome.


What about slip slop slap wrap HDC? No list is complete without that.

And of course...
<img src="http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2008/11/10/128708369360032511.jpg"></img>

[Zedder]

[QUOTE=Stirts;1130452027]And of course...

My eyes, my eyes!

[F5 Dave]

Forget Keith Code.

He's a twat.

Get this book instead.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ApKFWw47MOk/Tc2RfKl6UwI/AAAAAAAAAS8/Yuga6hj7b0o/s1600/motorcycle-roadcraft-the-police-riders-handbook-70-p.jpg


Hahahaha, fucking hilarious! Who sez Katman doesn't have a sense of humour?!;)

Awesome I'm going to laugh about that for ages. Maybe they do a course for riding around with a broom stuffed up their arse wearing short sleeved shirts with a flip top helmet open?? (all observed).


But clearly the riding skills are the least of your problems. The biggest change if you're talking road is observational skills in traffic. There are several decent schools about, give them a call & see what courses they run & what the content is (rather than just aimed at getting you through the 'test').

oh & try de-favour the rear brake, I always have to re-remind myself after getting off the dirtbikes.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The fact that Keith Code is a twat (he's a scientologist, so goes without saying) does not negate the fact that he has some good things to say.

As, it might be said, applies to certain others of our company.

[Blackbird]

Hahahaha, fucking hilarious! Who sez Katman doesn't have a sense of humour?!;)

Awesome I'm going to laugh about that for ages. Maybe they do a course for riding around with a broom stuffed up their arse wearing short sleeved shirts with a flip top helmet open?? (all observed).


Nothing like a bit of inaccurate stereotyping (or trolling come to that) :killingme

[BoristheBiter]

The fact that Keith Code is a twat (he's a scientologist, so goes without saying)

A bit like lawyers aye.:whistle:

[F5 Dave]

Nothing like a bit of inaccurate stereotyping (or trolling come to that) :killingme

Well to be fair I haven't observed many bike cops lately (but you do usually see one trawling around with the face of death helmet open every so often). But many moons ago when I was involved in rider training we had insight into the training they were given & it left a bit to be desired.

Heck in the initial days an old mate's dad was a Cop & he explained his training which largely comprised of "Here's a set of keys for a Truimph, a rule manual & a ticket book".

[caspernz]

Check out ProRider, absolutely awesome people who know their stuff. All sorts of courses for all levels of rider. The best money you can spend on your bike is Rider Training.

Absolutely. You'll learn more in one day on a proper rider course than you will in a month surfing any website :2thumbsup

[nodrog]

Forget about reading books, try using commonsense.

[cheshirecat]

The UK Police bike training was out before any other MC training courses and everyone else seems to have copied it or at the least used it as a basis .

I did one of their courses way back in the 70's and it was great especially as the five of us were escorted by two cops, one leading and one checking up at the rear. Once they put their blue lights on to escort us through traffic. You had to be milimetre perfect on positioning, like the centerline of the tyre NOT crossing the edge of the white line and they utilised "making progress" which is keeping up a fast average. Certainly kept you on your toes. There are plenty of vids
http://youtu.be/n4hDuPYBQVs.

As a final note if your classic VFR is idling next to a recent Harley, the Harley will refuse to start.

[F5 Dave]

Forget about reading books, try using commonsense.
Common sense is of virtually no use when analising the movements & behaviours or other road users. Or your own if you are honest.

[nodrog]

Common sense is of virtually no use when analising the movements & behaviours or other road users. Or your own if you are honest.

yes dear

________

[ellipsis]

...apt how a sidechair rider pops up when the word 'analising' appears...

[bluebird]

advice tip 1. don't ride with idiots who think they are doing the Isle of Man TT and will leave you behind so you end up taking risks to keep up, ride to your own pace.
2. carry a puncture repair kit if you leave town.
3. buy the BEST tyres you can and keep the correct pressures in them.
4. all cages are driven by the deaf dumb and blind
5. listen to your instincts.

[James Deuce]

4. all cages are driven by the deaf dumb and blind


No they're not :(
Some of the people I love most dearly, who stop and help at motorcycle accidents and resuscitate people I care about, are "cage" drivers.

Conversely, some of the most heinous, selfish fuckwittery is committed by people I should be able to trust, however they still insist on undertaking on corner entry, because I'm, "holding them up".

Not all people are shit.

Merry Christmas.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The Suzuki RE5 is the best bike ever made. If you have one, you'll never need another bike.

[Steven T]

Forget about reading books, try using commonsense.

commonsense dictates to break if you go into a corner too fast

books tell you not to

[Laava]

Don,t make the mistake of thinking you are good enough to move straight up to a gold power band. You must work your way up to this level gradually

[revhappy]

commonsense dictates to break if you go into a corner too fast



You probably will if there's a tree just after the apex.

[GrayWolf]

The UK Police bike training was out before any other MC training courses and everyone else seems to have copied it or at the least used it as a basis .

I did one of their courses way back in the 70's and it was great especially as the five of us were escorted by two cops, one leading and one checking up at the rear. Once they put their blue lights on to escort us through traffic. You had to be milimetre perfect on positioning, like the centerline of the tyre NOT crossing the edge of the white line and they utilised "making progress" which is keeping up a fast average. Certainly kept you on your toes.

This IS the truth, Like K'man or not, the Police Motorcycle Roadcraft book IS one of the most definitive training tomes available. Most training schools for road riding (not track) use this book as the basis for their courses... Most civilian courses do not utilise some aspects of Police riding methods (high speed pursuit). But Cheshirecat is absolutely correct, I also did my IAM, and an RAC/ACU course in the UK with a Police instructor and examiner in the early 80's. 'Making progress' is far safer than the balls out 'wannaberossibutimnot school of riding'. There are those (waits for Drew) :wait: who expound the virtues of track days. The Police train on Public roads not tracks. Reason? they are training under 'real world' conditions. You need BOTH the handling skills AND the skills to read the road and situations,, track days CANNOT under any circumstances teach you 'real world' Roadcraft.
We didnt get 'blue's and two's' through traffic, but the Tim (instructor) took great delight in using an air horn fitted to an ex Police BMW to make your arse jump...He was expert at getting into your 'blind spot'. Teaches you to not just rely on mirrors when turning, overtaking, manoeuvring. We became almost paranoid with 'rear observations'...

[Blackbird]

This IS the truth, Like K'man or not, the Police Motorcycle Roadcraft book IS one of the most definitive training tomes available. Most training schools for road riding (not track) use this book as the basis for their courses... Most civilian courses do not utilise some aspects of Police riding methods (high speed pursuit). But Cheshirecat is absolutely correct, I also did my IAM, and an RAC/ACU course in the UK with a Police instructor and examiner in the early 80's. 'Making progress' is far safer than the balls out 'wannaberossibutimnot school of riding'. There are those (waits for Drew) :wait: who expound the virtues of track days. The Police train on Public roads not tracks. Reason? they are training under 'real world' conditions. You need BOTH the handling skills AND the skills to read the road and situations,, track days CANNOT under any circumstances teach you 'real world' Roadcraft.
We didnt get 'blue's and two's' through traffic, but the Tim (instructor) took great delight in using an air horn fitted to an ex Police BMW to make your arse jump...He was expert at getting into your 'blind spot'. Teaches you to not just rely on mirrors when turning, overtaking, manoeuvring. We became almost paranoid with 'rear observations'...

Well said :Punk::Punk:. I'd been riding for 40 years and thought I was ok until I joined IAM last year. Major ego damage initially, but the difference in my riding standard is immense. The Roadcraft book is excellent but the hands-on training which goes with it in unbelievably good. Delivered by the best of the best on an entirely voluntary basis because they're passionate about road safety. The on-going nature of it helps to prevent the inevitable slide in standards which you get from any one-off course too. It's a pretty demanding to pass but then again, that's what makes it so bloody worthwhile.

[jasonu]

Any experienced riders who would like to help a new comer? I learned to ride off road, but from your experience and hindsight are there any tips or habits I should be aware of before I commit stuff to memory? Things like checking over the shoulder is one I have been taught, so I am now consciously making an effort to do it, to commit it to memory. Also I have been reading Keith Code's Twist of the Wrist 2 and am trying to make things like accelerating through corners a habit.

Anyone got any tips etc. they wish they had been told when learning?

Buy a gun and learn how to use it. (and watch out for Chingy drivers, dangerous cunts they are).

[rastuscat]

Learn to post shit about how crashes are always someone else's fault.

Welcome to KB. :Police:

[BoristheBiter]

This IS the truth, Like K'man or not, the Police Motorcycle Roadcraft book IS one of the most definitive training tomes available. Most training schools for road riding (not track) use this book as the basis for their courses... Most civilian courses do not utilise some aspects of Police riding methods (high speed pursuit). But Cheshirecat is absolutely correct, I also did my IAM, and an RAC/ACU course in the UK with a Police instructor and examiner in the early 80's. 'Making progress' is far safer than the balls out 'wannaberossibutimnot school of riding'. There are those (waits for Drew) :wait: who expound the virtues of track days. The Police train on Public roads not tracks. Reason? they are training under 'real world' conditions. You need BOTH the handling skills AND the skills to read the road and situations,, track days CANNOT under any circumstances teach you 'real world' Roadcraft.
We didnt get 'blue's and two's' through traffic, but the Tim (instructor) took great delight in using an air horn fitted to an ex Police BMW to make your arse jump...He was expert at getting into your 'blind spot'. Teaches you to not just rely on mirrors when turning, overtaking, manoeuvring. We became almost paranoid with 'rear observations'...

So I guess you have never done a CSS day as if you had you would know it is not a track day.
Yes it is on a track as it is far safer than on the road.
Does it teach you all about riding? no. does any? no. does it teach you how do do it properly? yes. in a safe environment? yes
Yes you do learn about turn it points, apexing corners and looking through a corner but i'm pretty sure you need to do that on the road.

Like you said the book is ONE training tool not the only one but then "hater's are gonna hate" when it comes to CSS

And as for your ill informed knowledge, and i use the term lightly, in CSS you only get to ride around in one gear and not to use any brakes on the first session, two gears on the second, and so on and the last session is when you can go faster and use your brakes.

So whom would take this IAM course? is it for nooBS or experienced riders as the thought of learning some new skills in traffic and some knob getting in my blind spot with the sole purpose of trying to get you to jump while you are maneuvering sounds a bit of a dumb thing to do. That's just asking for a crash.
And in the golden wisdom that is jrandom if you need someone to teach you about blind spots they shouldn't be riding.

And the seventy's was forty years ago grandad.:bleh:

[James Deuce]

So I guess you have never done a CSS day as if you had you would know it is not a track day.
Yes it is on a track as it is far safer than on the road.
Does it teach you all about riding? no. does any? no. does it teach you how do do it properly? yes. in a safe environment? yes
Yes you do learn about turn it points, apexing corners and looking through a corner but i'm pretty sure you need to do that on the road.

Like you said the book is ONE training tool not the only one but then "hater's are gonna hate" when it comes to CSS

And as for your ill informed knowledge, and i use the term lightly, in CSS you only get to ride around in one gear and not to use any brakes on the first session, two gears on the second, and so on and the last session is when you can go faster and use your brakes.

So whom would take this IAM course? is it for nooBS or experienced riders as the thought of learning some new skills in traffic and some knob getting in my blind spot with the sole purpose of trying to get you to jump while you are maneuvering sounds a bit of a dumb thing to do. That's just asking for a crash.
And in the golden wisdom that is jrandom if you need someone to teach you about blind spots they shouldn't be riding.

And the seventy's was forty years ago grandad.:bleh:

I'll take IAM over the metaphysical track-focused nonsense that is CSS any day thanks. Well actually I'd love to do both, repeatedly, but I reckon this thread is for ad hominem attacks and deriding everybody else's preferred advanced training schemes. So there sonny.

There are plenty of dickheads riding and driving every day who would look at you as if you were the micro-cephalic moron (ad hominem attack alert!) you so clearly are if you mentioned "blind spot" in the context of driving or riding. After paying for my own driving lessons @ age 16 I got a cuff around the ear for suggesting to my Dad that he might want to think about turning his head to check "blind spots". I got told, "That's what bloody mirrors are for, you idiot".

[BoristheBiter]

I'll take IAM over the metaphysical track-focused nonsense that is CSS any day thanks. Well actually I'd love to do both, repeatedly, but I reckon this thread is for ad hominem attacks and deriding everybody else's preferred advanced training schemes. So there sonny.

If you read my post again I am saying neither is better but don't let that stop a good fact less rant that you are so good at.

There are plenty of dickheads riding and driving every day who would look at you as if you were the micro-cephalic moron (ad hominem attack alert!) you so clearly are if you mentioned "blind spot" in the context of driving or riding. After paying for my own driving lessons @ age 16 I got a cuff around the ear for suggesting to my Dad that he might want to think about turning his head to check "blind spots". I got told, "That's what bloody mirrors are for, you idiot".

Thanks for that pile of drivel that makes no sense other than you know a head size disorder but don't know how to spell it.

So are you saying there is no blind spot? or if your mirrors are positioned correctly there isn't one? or that your father enjoyed slapping you round the head (but then who wouldn't)

[James Deuce]

Thanks for that pile of drivel that makes no sense other than you know a head size disorder but don't know how to spell it.

So are you saying there is no blind stop? or if your mirrors are positioned correctly there isn't one? or that your father enjoyed slapping you round the head (but then who wouldn't)

Oh noes, he gave me red!! What's "blind stop"?

I've "become" a dick? I always was one. You need to work on your judgment of character.

I don't know what I was saying, what was I saying? No idea. Something to do with fishing possibly?

[BoristheBiter]

Oh noes, he gave me red!! What's "blind stop"?

I've "become" a dick? I always was one. You need to work on your judgment of character.

I don't know what I was saying, what was I saying? No idea. Something to do with fishing possibly?

Maybe you're right but I always give people the benefit of the doubt and in your case there is no doubt at all anymore.

[GrayWolf]

So I guess you have never done a CSS day as if you had you would know it is not a track day.
Yes it is on a track as it is far safer than on the road.
Does it teach you all about riding? no. does any? no. does it teach you how do do it properly? yes. in a safe environment? yes
Yes you do learn about turn it points, apexing corners and looking through a corner but i'm pretty sure you need to do that on the road.

Like you said the book is ONE training tool not the only one but then "hater's are gonna hate" when it comes to CSS

And as for your ill informed knowledge, and i use the term lightly, in CSS you only get to ride around in one gear and not to use any brakes on the first session, two gears on the second, and so on and the last session is when you can go faster and use your brakes.

So whom would take this IAM course? is it for nooBS or experienced riders as the thought of learning some new skills in traffic and some knob getting in my blind spot with the sole purpose of trying to get you to jump while you are maneuvering sounds a bit of a dumb thing to do. That's just asking for a crash.
And in the golden wisdom that is jrandom if you need someone to teach you about blind spots they shouldn't be riding.

And the seventy's was forty years ago grandad.:bleh:

JEEZUS H CHRISTOS!! ,
Boris are you really such a specimen of motorcycling pre-Neanderthal thinking?
Track days.. YES they can and DO teach you bike HANDLING SKILLS!!!!
Apexing, looking through corners etc etc is only PART of roadcraft, which is what you track day moronic cocks fail to understand.

ROAD CRAFT? is being able to identify IN ADVANCE possible situations that can result in a direct or possible threat. Threat Vectoring, planning escape route in advance, anticipating possible position a 'threat vehicle' could occupy if it shifts from possible to 'real' threat...
Most of the rossi wannabe's I watch ride over the Taka's take corners so fucking fast that if there was an accident just round the point of vision they wouldnt even have time to think "oh fuck" before they joined it in a highly personal manner.
Roadcraft.... slow in, fast out.... rossicockwannabe method... fast in dont, come out. roadcraft skills 'owning' your piece of road (position and dealing with aggressive or intimidating drivers) You cant teach THAT on a race track...
I have never said I am 'anti' track days.... they are simply NOT the be all and end all.... the ROADCRAFT manual is just that R O A D spells ROAD not fucken TRACKcraft........
Yes the course I went on was for 'full license holders' if you Youtube the UK training schools the Police teach a less intense level to novice riders... The point of the 'knob making us jump' was to prove how little people use rear observation, its called the 'life saver' (if you cant see why the instructor used any method to hammer home how vital this simple quick check over the shoulder is) and from what I see of NZ riders very rarely used. Then one day you may just become a statistic of a right hand turn accident.

If there are two skills to look at
track day equals reactive skill..... how do I get get myself out of this shit?
roadcraft teaching....... I anticipate the situation and avoid it, PROACTIVE skill

now if you can stop blathering on ad nauseum about racetrack days.... which in reality is the preferable?? to react to, or, simply not be in the situation?

now be a good boy, go fetch the old farts pipe and slippers... and here's $10, nip down to the chemist for a box of depends.... thank you Sonny!

http://s19.postimage.org/4sjvocu8f/spanking_2.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/4sjvocu8f/)

[Blackbird]

Grey Wolf and James D,

No point in trying to argue the toss with knuckle draggers. Help the people who want to be helped and hope that Natural Selection takes care of the others without them visiting carnage on other road users. :angry:

[GrayWolf]

Well said :Punk::Punk:. I'd been riding for 40 years and thought I was ok until I joined IAM last year. Major ego damage initially, but the difference in my riding standard is immense. The Roadcraft book is excellent but the hands-on training which goes with it in unbelievably good. Delivered by the best of the best on an entirely voluntary basis because they're passionate about road safety. The on-going nature of it helps to prevent the inevitable slide in standards which you get from any one-off course too. It's a pretty demanding to pass but then again, that's what makes it so bloody worthwhile.

Yes that's the bit that worries me, just how much I have probably, ok, DEFINITELY 'slipped' in the last UMM 'cough cough mumble' years. I think I would likely suffer immense 'ego damage' as well :crazy: I keep meaning to, but either working shifts dont get the days off at the right time, or to be honest havent really gotten off my arse to jack up going. When I did the one in the UK there were a few of us who frequently rode together across Europe, so we had an 'incentive' to go.

[Blackbird]

Yes that's the bit that worries me, just how much I have probably, ok, DEFINITELY 'slipped' in the last UMM 'cough cough mumble' years. I think I would likely suffer immense 'ego damage' as well :crazy: I keep meaning to, but either working shifts dont get the days off at the right time, or to be honest havent really gotten off my arse to jack up going. When I did the one in the UK there were a few of us who frequently rode together across Europe, so we had an 'incentive' to go.

I'm in my 60's and it's that "getting off arse" bit which was the first hurdle! It was actually someone else who shamed me into getting an assessment of my riding by a competent 3rd party and for what it's worth, I detailed the experience here: http://geoffjames.blogspot.co.nz/2011/04/advanced-riding-masterclass.html. I know it's preaching to the converted in your case but this is where I think IAM scores above all other forms of advanced training: http://geoffjames.blogspot.co.nz/2011/11/raising-my-riding-skills-some.html. Since passing the full membership test, I wanted to pay it forward by helping others and training as an Observer. By crikey, it was like starting out all over again :eek5:.

Living in Coromandel, it means 600 km days to go up and ride with the Auckland Regional branch of IAM but hell, who could complain about long days on 2 wheels? :2thumbsup

[BoristheBiter]

blah fucking blah[/IMG]

Now as I said to James and his juice box go and read the post again you fucking retard. (yep I can abuse you just as well and i do not need fancy words)

At no point have i said anything about a track day.
At no point have i said that css is all you need.
No where does it say that CSS is a track day.

You and old farts like you are so one eyed about track days that you fail to see the use that they hold or the fun that can be had on them.
Maybe join the rest of us in the 21st century where we are able to use all means of training and not be stuck "back in the day" where you have to choose one or the other.

Now go and find your glasses as it is quite obvious you need them and I'll be back from the chemist as quick as i can but i doubt that they make depends for your mouth, maybe try the other foot.

[st00ji]

fucken lol.

wonder if we'll ever see the OP again

[madandy]

I have just fired off an enquiry to IAM for truck, car and bike.
I plan to do at least one track day this year and an advanced road craft style riding course.
You can never learn too much when it comes to living:calm:

Merry Christmas all:cool:

[Blackbird]

I have just fired off an enquiry to IAM for truck, car and bike.
I plan to do at least one track day this year and an advanced road craft style riding course.
You can never learn too much when it comes to living:calm:

Merry Christmas all:cool:

Andy,
Your nearest current IAM mentor is in Hamilton. There is one other member in Tauranga and another who travels from Katikati to our Auckland last Sunday of the month (bikes). I travel from Coro Town.
Cheers,
Geoff

[madandy]

Andy,
Your nearest current IAM mentor is in Hamilton. There is one other member in Tauranga and another who travels from Katikati to our Auckland last Sunday of the month (bikes). I travel from Coro Town.
Cheers,
Geoff

Hi Geoff,

The Katikati member wouln't happen to be Ian Sylvester would it?
Thanks for the tip,

Andy

[GrayWolf]

Now as I said to James and his juice box go and read the post again you fucking retard. (yep I can abuse you just i DONT have the vocabulary to be able to use fancy words) :nya:

At no point have i said anything about a track day. ......
CSS is done on a track, not on the highway.

At no point have i said that css is all you need.....
do you actually admit/agree that css and/or track days do NOT teach 'roadcraft'?

No where does it say that CSS is a track day..........
it's done on a track, wich is equivalent to the basic handling skills being done in a car park environment... Isolated, safe, secure and no 'distractions or INTERACTIONS from other vehicles, road users.

You and old farts like you are so one eyed about track days that you fail to see the use that they hold or the fun that can be had on them.
Maybe join the rest of us in the 21st century where we are able to use all means of training and not be stuck "back in the day" where you have to choose one or the other..........
Yes you're right we ARE one eyed about them, just like the exponents of them are 'one eyed'... I will bet a pound to a pinch of shit you have NEVER even read the 'Roadcraft manual'... but sonny you are quick to 'toss it off' as old hat, useless, not 21st century... Yet the MODERN 21st Century Police and 21st century riding schools use it as the basis of their curriculum's.

Now go and find your glasses as it is quite obvious you need them and I'll be back from the chemist as quick as i can but i doubt that they make depends for your mouth, maybe try the other foot.

Oh while you're there. (chemist) use the change to purchase a pacifier for yourself.... if you dip it in honey you'll suck on it for longer,,,,,, :baby: Dont worry about the lines on your arse, they're cradle marks, you lose them when you become a big boy.

[BoristheBiter]

Oh while you're there. (chemist) use the change to purchase a pacifier for yourself.... if you dip it in honey you'll suck on it for longer,,,,,, :baby: Dont worry about the lines on your arse, they're cradle marks, you lose them when you become a big boy.


Sorry no lines, i ride dirt

But Merry Christmas to you.

Have a safe ride.

[GrayWolf]

Sorry no lines, i ride dirt

But Merry Christmas to you.

Have a safe ride.

Merry Xmas to you too Boris,
Ride safe, Enjoy the Holiday

GW

[Steven T]

fucken lol.

wonder if we'll ever see the OP again

Lol I still am here