Scorpio Z fuels

[Im that guy]

Hi, Just bought my first bike(Scorpio Z 2012), I was told by the dealer that i should run it on 96. Was wondering where i get 96 from and what happens if i run it on 95 or 98. thanks, any help would be appreciated.

[nodrog]

oh for fuck sake :facepalm:

[Im that guy]

oh for fuck sake :facepalm:

Thanks for the help.

[Subike]

Me thinks you will find that unleaded 91 works best, and get it from caltex,
your running a low compression small motor, higher octane fuels will foul your plug due to the fuel not burning properly.

Norogs reply is good. This subject has been thrashed, a search , if you knew how, would have sorted your request quickly.

But welcome to this crazy place, come in relax, converse, we do bite, sling shit and give shit advice, you just have to find the least shitty advice to use.

[GSF]

Use 91.

That engine has a 9:1 compression ratio I think, so 95 or 98 is just wasting money and no, higher octane fuel will not give you any more power.

[nodrog]

Me thinks you will find that unleaded 91 works best, and get it from caltex,
your running a low compression small motor, higher octane fuels will foul your plug due to the fuel not burning properly.

Norogs reply is good. This subject has been thrashed, a search , if you knew how, would have sorted your request quickly.

But welcome to this crazy place, come in relax, converse, we do bite, sling shit and give shit advice, you just have to find the least shitty advice to use.

my reply was more to do with how he didnt know where to buy petrol from.

I am awaiting his next thread "where does the petrol go on my motorcycle?"

[davereid]

Norogs reply is good.

Nodrog could have answered the question in less word than he spent slinging shit.

A far better thing to do would have been to do nothing instead of kicking the newbie.

Higher octane fuels usually contain more energy, and burn faster, so they help your engine run well.

Although more expensive your bike will run better on the better fuels, especially if it has been tuned for them. And as your dealer has suggested 96, its likely that that is how he has tuned it.

BP sell 98, normal "super" is 95 and standard petrol is 91.

Use 98 when you can get it, and 95 when you can't. I bet you can feel and hear the difference if you put 91 in.

Run the best oil you can afford, and change it and the filter regularly.

Its easy once you have done it once, and there are plenty of good types on KB that will be happy to show you how to do it.

But develop a thick skin, there are also plenty of Nodrogs.

[ducatilover]

Use 91.

That engine has a 9:1 compression ratio I think, so 95 or 98 is just wasting money and no, higher octane fuel will not give you any more power.
That's only true with a motor running a small amount of timing.

Which is probably the case here anyway :bleh:

[Im that guy]

Nodrog could have answered the question in less word than he spent slinging shit.

A far better thing to do would have been to do nothing instead of kicking the newbie.

Higher octane fuels usually contain more energy, and burn faster, so they help your engine run well.

Although more expensive your bike will run better on the better fuels, especially if it has been tuned for them. And as your dealer has suggested 96, its likely that that is how he has tuned it.

BP sell 98, normal "super" is 95 and standard petrol is 91.

Use 98 when you can get it, and 95 when you can't. I bet you can feel and hear the difference if you put 91 in.

Run the best oil you can afford, and change it and the filter regularly.

Its easy once you have done it once, and there are plenty of good types on KB that will be happy to show you how to do it.

But develop a thick skin, there are also plenty of Nodrogs.

Thanks for the help man, Didn't mean to sound like a complete novice(i succeeded). The reason i asked was because I've simply never seen 96 for sale anywhere.

Anyway, thanks for the help man.

[The End]

Thanks for the help man, Didn't mean to sound like a complete novice(i succeeded). The reason i asked was because I've simply never seen 96 for sale anywhere.

Anyway, thanks for the help man.

I'm pretty sure Mobil sells 96. I have an '08 Scorpio and my manual says to use 91 and 91 only. Not sure if there has been a change between 08-12, or if as has been mentioned, your dealer has tuned it to perform better on 96.

[breakaway]

On a low compression detuned engine like a scorpio any fuel you run is going to do the job. May as well pick the cheapest.

Pretty much the only reason you would want to go with a higher octane rating fuel is if lower octane fuel is detonating in the engine. Everything else (more power, 'cleaner burning' etc) is hogwash bullshit marketing to fool people into paying the premium for no reason, just like how people put pod fiters on their car for an 'extra 5% increase in power'.

[Subike]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/151429-Is-cheaper-fuel-a-false-economy

for a more in depth discussion on the subject,

agree with breakaway,

[ducatilover]

just like how people put pod fiters on their car for an 'extra 5% increase in power'.
One of my favourite things to tell people off about. I fucking hate the things.

[James Deuce]

Stay away from high ethanol content fuel. More than 5% is a deleterious effect on the fuel system of motorcycles because of its reliance on "rubber" (more correctly, "Plastic") hoses and diaphragms. 91 will be fine in the Scorpio. It's designed to be a cheap commuter and work on the variable quality fuel across much of the so-called developing world as well as being a lo-cost commuter in more developed nations.

In other news, most "Super" grade fuel is 95 octane and increasingly victim to a growing percentage of ethanol. 95/96 - not really a big difference.

Personally I think the dealer just got a bunch of fuel vouchers from the local gas station in exchange for telling motorcyclists to use more expensive petrol. Not that gas stations make their money from petrol, but I do love a good conspiracy theory (might wind some dealers up too).

[wickle]

The reason i asked was because I've simply never seen 96 for sale anywhere.

96 has not been available for a number of years. when fuel had to be unleaded in NZ 96 octane became 95 it is ileagal to use vechiles on the road with fuel containing lead.

[davereid]

Use 91.

That engine has a 9:1 compression ratio I think, so 95 or 98 is just wasting money and no, higher octane fuel will not give you any more power.

I just googled it and its 9.5:1, so its a very modest compression ratio.

As you suggest its safe as houses on 91 if correctly timed.

[AllanB]

I loved the lead fuels - you could tellhow well your engine was tuned by the colour of the muffler outlet!



95-96 - absolutely nothing in it - your dealer must be a old bugger!

I'd say it was actually designed for 91. Is there a owners book under the seat or a label on the fuel cap/tank?

[bosslady]

lol so glad I didn't ask this question and I still can't figure out how to put the cap back on... this is taking me back to when I was learning to drive and I was freaking out cause I didn't know what fuel to put in and I couldn't work the machine lol

[kiwifruit]

Dealer is full of shit, use 91. Replace the nylon "tyres", too.

[EJK]

Put diesel. They are cheaper.

[Flip]

Nodrog could have answered the question in less word than he spent slinging shit.

A far better thing to do would have been to do nothing instead of kicking the newbie.

Higher octane fuels usually contain more energy, and burn faster, so they help your engine run well.

......

I agree with the first two lines, but the third is completely wrong.

All the fuels have almost exactly the same calorific valve and high octane fuels burn slower.

High octane fuels are for high compression motors. Engineers call this volumetric efficiency. The more you can compress a fuel before it is ignighted the harder the burning mixture can push the pistons down and/or the more fuel and air you can cram into the smallest space possible results in higher combustion chamber pressure. Octane is only the fuels ability not to preignite under compression, which is a very bad thing unless you are a diesel motor.


91 should be fine in your bike, you can try 95 or 98 but I doubt you will see any advantage.

[Old Steve]

my reply was more to do with how he didnt know where to buy petrol from.

NO!!! His question was where did he get 96 octane petrol - Premium is now 95 octane so the dealer hasn't caught up with fuel specifications sinve they changed in the 1990s with the introduction of unleaded petrol.

I was a member of the fuel industry committee tasked by the MOE to develop specifications for ULP. 95 Premium ULP was introduced to fall in line with overseas standards so that obtaining imported fuel would be easier - I recall that it had quite a high satisfaction rating for the fleet at that time, importation of Japanese turbocharged specials has altered that somewhat.

[Sable]

95-98 is a waste, go 91. Your motor is too shit to make use of the higher octane rating so you'll be pissing money away. Also,
Reeeeeeeeeeeetaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard :bleh:

[Tigadee]

I had a Scorpio [feels like such a long time ago now!] and it ran perfectly fine on 91.

[slofox]

Your dealer simply made a mistake. We USED to have 96 octane a couple of eons ago. For reason I don't know, it was dropped to 95. I am sure he meant 95 octane. As suggested, he's probably an old bugger (like me...).

If I had a Scorpio, I'd probably use 91 as well.