Harley Sportster 883 Low Rider on a learner licence!

[Hillbilly]

No - not me!! My stupid brother-in-law! His mate has a Harley Sportster 1200, so he just had to get one too! Nothing wrong with the bike, although I found the seat height a tad low. However, my brother-in-law insists on riding his new Harley on a learners licence. He wouldn't be seen dead on a learner legal Yamaha V-Star XVS-650 because it's Japanese. He also reckons that he'll be OK using the names of his mates with full licences. So, when he gets caught (probably by the dreaded "ginga" cop as he lives up that way) just how much trouble will he be in?

[Subike]

No - not me!! My stupid brother-in-law! His mate has a Harley Sportster 1200, so he just had to get one too! Nothing wrong with the bike, although I found the seat height a tad low. However, my brother-in-law insists on riding his new Harley on a learners licence. He wouldn't be seen dead on a learner legal Yamaha V-Star XVS-650 because it's Japanese. He also reckons that he'll be OK using the names of his mates with full licences. So, when he gets caught (probably by the dreaded "ginga" cop as he lives up that way) just how much trouble will he be in?

third time his harley will end up in the crushers grave yard.
he aware of this?
Thats the third time they make him walk,
Hey no loss to the rest of us, carry on, just a sportster end its life young

[scumdog]

just how much trouble will he be in?

Lots when he finds out he isn't as good a rider as he thought.

And oh, the tickets?

Well if he's unlucky and gets pulled up by a cop with SMART device he'll be in the poo - unless your bro in law looks just like his mate as the cop can look at your licence photo on that device.

And if the cop is paying attention he might notice (a) the bike ain't registered to the 'mate' and (b) that the person it IS registered to is on a 'L' licence.

And it might be good not to ride with this mate - after all, if they both get pulled up together what's your bro in law gonna say? We're twins with the same name?;)

And if he just gets the tickets he will have over 100 demerits on the 3rd ticket.

I could go on but ya get the picture - does your bro in law feel lucky?

[jellywrestler]

He wouldn't be seen dead on a learner legal Yamaha V-Star XVS-650 because it's Japanese. I'd love to share a day in the life with someone who doesn't ride Jap Crap, and has no other Japanese made products in their life either as someone with such strong convictions on something like this muct have to go well out of their way to stick by them...

[unstuck]

I'd love to share a day in the life with someone who doesn't ride Jap Crap, and has no other Japanese made products in their life either as someone with such strong convictions on something like this muct have to go well out of their way to stick by them...

+1 on that. I know guys who wont go anywhere near a jap bike, but drive toyotas and nissans.:weird:

[davereid]

Well if he's unlucky and gets pulled up by a cop with SMART device he'll be in the poo - unless your bro in law looks just like his mate as the cop can look at your licence photo on that device.

Cops don't have access to drivers licence photos unless they happen to be holding onto the actual card. It would need a law change for that to happen, and its pretty unlikely. I imagine they have firearms etc on smart though.

He will still come to grief though as he has demonstrated a dumb attitude.

There are plenty of great bikes available on LAMS. Its not perfect, but it not bad, and learners aren't stuck on 250cc rubbish
.

[gwigs]

I wonder who made the forks and the brakes on his Harley.......I suspect the Japanese...

[jimichelle]

its slow mindnumbing boring and frankly wouldnt pull a skin off a rice pudding

[Katman]

He wouldn't be seen dead on a learner legal Yamaha V-Star XVS-650 because it's Japanese.

Did you tell him that Sportsters are ladies Harleys?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Did you tell him that Sportsters are ladies Harleys?

With a shitload of Japanese components on them.

[skippa1]

Did you tell him that Sportsters are ladies Harleys?

:pinch::pinch::pinch::yes::yes::yes::yes::corn:

[Murray]

I wonder who made the forks and the brakes on his Harley.......I suspect the Japanese...


With a shitload of Japanese components on them.

Aren't they being made in India now?? Would far rather have Japanese made than Indian made. Perhaps thats why they corner so bad, they keep slowing down to see if a dairy could be put there??

[Crasherfromwayback]

Aren't they being made in India now??

No they're not.

[duckonin]

Pretty much, your bro-inlaw has been called a 'not overly bright 'TOOL'. I would also support that view.

[Karl08]

I hope he doesn't watch TV, use a computer or any other Asian made product...he obviously owns American/British made tech equipment.

[sugilite]

He wouldn't be seen dead on a learner legal Yamaha V-Star XVS-650 because it's Japanese.
Mate as he is new to bikes and does not know a lot about them, it is up to you to defend his honor. It is your duty to go and remove all the Japanese parts off his Harley (this may take quite some time). Oh yes, you will need to buy him a American made ruck sack, so he can hike around with whats left of his bike in it. He will thank you for it, trust me :devil2:

[Murray]

No they're not.

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/568/8352/Motorcycle-Article/Harley-Davidson-Opening-Assembly-Plant-in-India.aspx

so this and all the other reports were wrong??

[Madness]

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/568/8352/Motorcycle-Article/Harley-Davidson-Opening-Assembly-Plant-in-India.aspx

so this and all the other reports were wrong??

Your link talks about an assembly plant in India being created as a way for HD to get around prohibitive import duties on finished vehicles in that particular market. It also states that the assembly plant will have an expected capacity of 200 bikes in the first year, using CKD bikes shipped from USA. There is apparently a similar plant in Brazil, are you sure Harleys aren't now made in Brazil instead? :confused:

Have you got nothing better than that?

[skippa1]

No they're not.

drive belt might be made with Indian Rubber?

[Murray]

So the articles are wrong!!

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-11-04/world/india.bikes_1_india-market-harley-davidsons-haryana?_s=PM:WORLD

My bad - obviously cannot believe any thing you read and I always trusted cnn
assembled but not made???

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/568/8352/Motorcycle-Article/Harley-Davidson-Opening-Assembly-Plant-in-India.aspx

so this and all the other reports were wrong??


So the articles are wrong!!

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-11-04/world/india.bikes_1_india-market-harley-davidsons-haryana?_s=PM:WORLD

My bad - obviously cannot believe any thing you read and I always trusted cnn
assembled but not made???

No. The articles are right. But you're wrong. NZ market bikes are NOT made in India. Like I said...

"The "complete knock down" plant or CKD is expected to be up and running in the northern Indian state of Haryana in first half of 2011. Parts made in America will be put together for the Indian market in Haryana."

Plus...the vin numbers tell you where the bike is made. The 9th digit gives you that information. NONE of ours big or small will come from India.

[actungbaby]

I wonder who made the forks and the brakes on his Harley.......I suspect the Japanese...

Showa and nissen its marked on them

[Murray]

But you're wrong. NZ market bikes are NOT made in India. Like I said...

Will I'm not actually as they are being made in India, I never stated for what market

Sorry didnt see the "like I said...." bit just saw the "no they are Not"

Thanks for the clarification, re where they are being distributed - glad to hear that

[doc]

! Nothing wrong with the bike, although I found the seat height a tad low.


Once you grow balls the height is sorted. You have to, to ride a girls bike.

[Big Dave]

The 'irony' is that a Sportster low is actually a pretty good LAMS bike.

[Brian d marge]

Once you grow balls the height is sorted. You have to, to ride a girls bike.

Ive been riding Japs for years , Some of them are quite good

Stephen

ps , Most manufacturers in Japan , ( parts suppliers ) have factories in Taiwan and are moving into india , as its a growth market. SOOO iit wouldnt surprise me that the parts for a harly , while not being MADE in india may be made in Tawain , or a cheaper country .

[Crasherfromwayback]

The 'irony' is that a Sportster low is actually a pretty good LAMS bike.

I agree 100%. Madness they're not.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Aren't they being made in India now?? Would far rather have Japanese made than Indian made.


Will I'm not actually as they are being made in India, I never stated for what market



If the guy lives in NZ...and you say you'd far rather ride Japanese than Indian...it kinda implies to me you think our Harleys are Indian made no?

So I say "No they're not". Anyway...like anything...they'll probably be quite ok soon enough made there!

[Swoop]

I know guys who wont go anywhere near a jap bike, but drive toyotas and nissans.:weird:
Sounds like they have standards. A man has to have standards.
I just wonder where their cellphone is made however. Wonder if they wear a casio wristwatch? TV and DVD's? Bet they keep their standards by not buying asian made shit. What have they ever invented?












P/T for those KB'ers of a slow disposition...

[ducatilover]

He sounds like a knuckle dragging bum bandit. He's fucked.
$800 for false info and $400 for breach of licence conditions, then a punch in the scrot for buying a crap bike.

[scumdog]

Cops don't have access to drivers licence photos unless they happen to be holding onto the actual card. It would need a law change for that to happen, and its pretty unlikely. I imagine they have firearms etc on smart though.

He will still come to grief though as he has demonstrated a dumb attitude.

There are plenty of great bikes available on LAMS. Its not perfect, but it not bad, and learners aren't stuck on 250cc rubbish
.


My bad - not from the licence.
But they do have access to photographs...;)

Often those photos show an ethnic/gender/age disparity between the dude sitting behind the wheel and what the licence holder is like...:shifty:

[scumdog]

hen a punch in the scrot for buying a crap bike.

Oi!:angry2:

[davereid]

My bad - not from the licence.
But they do have access to photographs...;)Often those photos show an ethnic/gender/age disparity between the dude sitting behind the wheel and what the licence holder is like...:shifty:

Yep, NIA holds firearms, intelligence and arrest photos - pretty wide database particularly of those likely to tell fibs.

Plus it will be able to have access to our ID card photos as "real me" rolls out, and everyone will be on that soon enough.

The bloody annoying part about this is, as others have said, that the 883 is a great learners bike. Low, wide bars, modest and predictable power output.

I asked NZTA why they made a 660cc limit.

They told me they didn't want learners riding bikes that were to big or heavy. I pointed out that cc's weigh nothing, and the best measure of size and weight was mm and kg.

As usual the NZTA didnt care, and ignored best practice - they just couldn't shake off an old fashioned obsession with cc ratings.

Consequently, bikes like the 883, or even the NC700 which is specifically designed for learners, are off limits here.

Still, plenty of good bikes are available for LAMs and in practice, as the database is such crap, it will morph into a 660cc limit, as it will be virtually impossible to tell if a bike is LAMs compliant on the side of the road, due to the number of crap records on the MVR.

[The Lone Rider]

+1 on that. I know guys who wont go anywhere near a jap bike, but drive toyotas and nissans.:weird:

Boy have I seen that A LOT.


P.S. They are/were opening a factory in India. For selling in India and nearby areas. A few parts made in the USA will/does get set over, the rest from Japan and the remainder in India.

[Road kill]

He sounds like a knuckle dragging bum bandit. He's fucked.
$800 for false info and $400 for breach of licence conditions, then a punch in the scrot for buying a crap bike.

Along with several punches in the head for abusing an "Ex" mates name.

Back in the days when people could get away with that sort of shit I had an "ex mate" steal my licence and clock up several tickets ect as he travelled from Ak to ChCh.

Little cunt never came back to Franklin,,,,,but I'm still waiting. :angry:

[tigertim20]

No - not me!! My stupid brother-in-law! His mate has a Harley Sportster 1200, so he just had to get one too! Nothing wrong with the bike, although I found the seat height a tad low. However, my brother-in-law insists on riding his new Harley on a learners licence. He wouldn't be seen dead on a learner legal Yamaha V-Star XVS-650 because it's Japanese. He also reckons that he'll be OK using the names of his mates with full licences. So, when he gets caught (probably by the dreaded "ginga" cop as he lives up that way) just how much trouble will he be in?

I was going to reply, but this largely sums it up

He sounds like a knuckle dragging bum bandit. He's fucked.
$800 for false info and $400 for breach of licence conditions, then a punch in the scrot for buying a crap bike.

Of course, what happens if he is speeding, gets away with telling lies but gets a ticket for 130 clicks, and his 'mate' starts getting tickets? Im betting he wont have any 'mates' for very long. Frankly he sounds like a dumb cunt, and a fuckwit.

On the other hand, if he wants to take the risk of getting pulled over WITHOUT telling fuckin lies - have at it.

[GrayWolf]

No - not me!! My stupid brother-in-law! His mate has a Harley Sportster 1200, so he just had to get one too! Nothing wrong with the bike, although I found the seat height a tad low. However, my brother-in-law insists on riding his new Harley on a learners licence. He wouldn't be seen dead on a learner legal Yamaha V-Star XVS-650 because it's Japanese. He also reckons that he'll be OK using the names of his mates with full licences. So, when he gets caught (probably by the dreaded "ginga" cop as he lives up that way) just how much trouble will he be in?

tell the dumb twat to buy an Enfield 500, it aint 'jap crap' :dodge: its about as authentic retro as is possible, and its LAMS legal.......
Or simply stop being a wanker and buy an LS650 or similar!!!!

Kids n Effin gin drinkers!!!!!!:angry::angry:

[kiwifruit]

883 is an ok learner bike, bit heavy but low enough and slow enough. I doubt he'll get any attention from the police

[Brian d marge]

tell the dumb twat to buy an Enfield 500,

Kids n Effin gin drinkers!!!!!!:angry::angry:

After 25 years as a Honda mechanic , I DID buy an enfield ,3 of them ,
Gin I can understand , but kids ....I like mine

stephen

[Bison]

I'm also wondering if his insurance coverage will hold up when it is discovered that he is not legally licenced for the bike he chooses to ride? In my experience if they can avoid paying out then they will. I know of instances after crashes where the uninsured rider was held on the hook for a lifetime of support payments to the person they injured/disabled. Heck of a gamble just to feed his ego.

[davereid]

I'm also wondering if his insurance coverage will hold up when it is discovered that he is not legally licenced for the bike he chooses to ride? In my experience if they can avoid paying out then they will. I know of instances after crashes where the uninsured rider was held on the hook for a lifetime of support payments to the person they injured/disabled. Heck of a gamble just to feed his ego.

He wont have any insurance cover if incorrectly licensed.

But your ACC levy covers the cost of support payments regardless of cause or responsibility.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm also wondering if his insurance coverage will hold up when it is discovered that he is not legally licenced for the bike he chooses to ride? .


He wont have any insurance cover if incorrectly licensed.

.

This has been covered before. You can actually have insurance, and they will pay out provided you're not at fault. Trust me.

[davereid]

This has been covered before. You can actually have insurance, and they will pay out provided you're not at fault. Trust me.

If you are not at fault who cares.

They can't decline you because your vehicle isn't licensed.

But if you are at fault and do not have a (correct and valid) driver licence you are fucked. Trust Me.

[Crasherfromwayback]

If you are not at fault who cares.

.

Anyone that has insurance when the other cunt doesn't. Trust me.

[davereid]

Anyone that has insurance when the other cunt doesn't. Trust me.

LOL yeah fair enough... especially if the fella that hits you is on His 883 on a learners...

[Crasherfromwayback]

LOL yeah fair enough... especially if the fella that hits you is on His 883 on a learners...

Correct!:shifty:

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'd love to share a day in the life with someone who doesn't ride Jap Crap, and has no other Japanese made products in their life either as someone with such strong convictions on something like this muct have to go well out of their way to stick by them...

do H-D still use Yuasa batteries, Nissin calipers and Showa forks and shocks?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Sounds like they have standards. A man has to have standards.
I just wonder where their cellphone is made however. Wonder if they wear a casio wristwatch? TV and DVD's? Bet they keep their standards by not buying asian made shit. What have they ever invented?

P/T for those KB'ers of a slow disposition...

A Casio wristwatch? really? some of us have standards you know.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'm also wondering if his insurance coverage will hold up when it is discovered that he is not legally licenced for the bike he chooses to ride? In my experience if they can avoid paying out then they will. I know of instances after crashes where the uninsured rider was held on the hook for a lifetime of support payments to the person they injured/disabled. Heck of a gamble just to feed his ego.

Not in NZ big boy, not after 1974.

[Gremlin]

Well, if he's pulled up, he'll be required to produce his licence. Matters not who the bike is registered to, unless it's only electronic checks (ie, no human cop checks licence of rider currently on motorcycle). You don't ask about insurance, so I won't cover that aspect.

Failure to produce licence will be $55, if he tries not to. Trying to fool the police in regards his identity should he try that, makes all of this quite trivial by comparison.

So, for breaching his licence conditions:


Breaching the learner conditions of your driver licence (other than failing to display L plates) could result in you receiving 35 demerit points and a fine of $100. If you breach any other conditions of your driver licence you could receive 25 demerit points and be subject to a fine of $400.

Source: http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/motorcycle-road-code/about-licences/stage-1-learner.html

[arcane12]

Yep, NIA holds firearms, intelligence and arrest photos - pretty wide database particularly of those likely to tell fibs.

Plus it will be able to have access to our ID card photos as "real me" rolls out, and everyone will be on that soon enough.

The bloody annoying part about this is, as others have said, that the 883 is a great learners bike. Low, wide bars, modest and predictable power output.

I asked NZTA why they made a 660cc limit.

They told me they didn't want learners riding bikes that were to big or heavy. I pointed out that cc's weigh nothing, and the best measure of size and weight was mm and kg.

As usual the NZTA didnt care, and ignored best practice - they just couldn't shake off an old fashioned obsession with cc ratings.

Consequently, bikes like the 883, or even the NC700 which is specifically designed for learners, are off limits here.

Still, plenty of good bikes are available for LAMs and in practice, as the database is such crap, it will morph into a 660cc limit, as it will be virtually impossible to tell if a bike is LAMs compliant on the side of the road, due to the number of crap records on the MVR.

I love the irony of the changes in the law - 'We think rating by cc's is outdated as some 250's can put out too much power, so we are changing to power to weight. And no more that 660cc." (not an actual quote)

Sigh. I guess I should have started my bike riding a few months earlier. I could have been done in 9 months rather than 2 years.

Is ride height an issue? I would have thought a taller rider would want a taller bike, or is that an issue for learners, even if they can reach the ground easily? Is it to do with the higher centre of mass? A weight limit might have been a better choice than CC limit. Can't have learners on a Goldwing can we? (Older models. The 1800 actually seems to put itself out of the 150kw/t limit. Maybe a LAMS variant could be made? ;) )

[Banditbandit]

Failure to produce licence will be $55, if he tries not to. Trying to fool the police in regards his identity should he try that, makes all of this quite trivial by comparison.



ANd - if you have no licence and no other form of identity police can assume that the driver/rider is giving false details and have stolen the vehicle ... so they can immediately impound it on suspicion ...

[sinfull]

Who cares ?

He obviously wanted the bike, willing to take the consequences !

Know of a few lads riding big blocks on their learners, quite a few ! Oh and big Jap bikes too !
With the changes in demerit laws where there are big numbers on things like wrong class etc, it's gonna give a few the learn albeit slowly !

Just happens they've had their learners or none whatsoever for some time (read eons), the law change seeing the learner licence expire now, as i believe is the case, might see them move on to doing their restricted and fulls (if someone knows how the law reads and could find it for me, i'll stick it up on our clubs page to start educating a few)

Last couple of years has seen two or three of our boys get their full, couple more and we'll have a licensed group ! Something we're pushing them into as it makes it handy when doing kids (adults too, even a few real old girls lol) rides at local school galas etc (less work on the licensed boys

[SMOKEU]

Be sure to laugh in his face if he gets arrested for providing false details.

[Tigadee]

I'd love to share a day in the life with someone who doesn't ride Jap Crap, and has no other Japanese made products in their life either as someone with such strong convictions on something like this muct have to go well out of their way to stick by them...

I knew a few Japs who wouldn't be caught dead with anything other than a Japanese product, be it Mitsubishi, Nissan, Honda, Sony, Sanyo, Fuji, Nikon, etc. :laugh:

[Brian d marge]

I knew a few Japs who wouldn't be caught dead with anything other than a Japanese product, be it Mitsubishi, Nissan, Honda, Sony, Sanyo, Fuji, Nikon, etc. :laugh:

They all get genuine English sausage from me

Stephen