[Rant] Useless Bastards

[placidfemme]

Our pay goes through weekly (as most companies do) and ours was meant to go through last night... Got to the gas station... put some gas in my bike ($8.30 worth) and go into the gas station to pay...

Give them my card... DECLINED... :mad:

Hold on.... it's pay day... thats not right....

I call up internet banking there in the gas station (how else am I going to pay for the gas?) and my account is in overdraft... way in overdraft...

Lucky for me the lady at the gas station knows I'm a regular, and agreed to let me come back and pay her tomorrow, she took down my name and address and rego number just incase... very nice little asian lady!

Get to work... speak to the security guard... he checks his telephone banking... he didn't get paid either...

Because I get to work early (7am) and the rest of the company only starts from about 8.30am onwards I have to wait to get some answers...

Checked my internet banking... and they (the bank) paid my rent (phew) and another AP that I have set up (even though I didn't have enough funds in my account), and that caused me to go into overdraft... and the bastards charged me a $50 "dishonour" fee :mad: :mad:

Now my question is:

Can I demand for work to reimburse that $50 as it is there fault that I was charged that?

Where can I call to find out? Labour Tribunal?

*is so angry* Even if they put the banking through today it won't show until Monday... which fucks my whole weekend :mad:

[rfc85]

that sucks, has never happened to me ---yet but I can understand your anger hope the rest of the day goes better

[tl_tub]

I was under the impression that they legally have to inform you in writing if they are planning on making changes to your pay, which includes the date it goes into your account. They should certainly be paying that $50 fee!

[placidfemme]

I was under the impression that they legally have to inform you in writing if they are planning on making changes to your pay, which includes the date it goes into your account. They should certainly be paying that $50 fee!

Is there anywhere I can call to find out if I can demand it... the people I work for are alright most of the time... but they are as tight as whatever is the tightest thing when it comes to money... And unless I say "you are legally obliged (sp) to pay for it" they won't...

[James Deuce]

Ask nicely first. You might be surprised.

[placidfemme]

Ask nicely first. You might be surprised.

ehh... well seeing as I don't know who to call to ask about my rights on the matter, I will ask them first... doubt it though... Iv'e been here 3 years now... kinda know how they tick...

Thanks though :)

[Lou Girardin]

Ask nicely first, then demand.

[Beemer]

Unfortunately problems like this aren't that uncommon but I can truly sympathise - it used to happen to me when I was a salaried employee. If the problem was at your company's end, approach them and say you were charged a $50 honour fee (shit, thought my bank was bad at $25!) through no fault of your own - they SHOULD reimburse you. If the problem was at your bank's end, they should reimburse you. Either way, it wouldn't be a bad idea to approach your bank and point out that your pay was due to go in as usual last night, but for some reason it was delayed and you were not advised. It's too late in this instance, but when I've had this happen before, all you need to do is ring the bank and let them know your pay won't be going through for another day and they won't charge you any honour fees.

I wish I had a regular pay day... I get paid on publication, so at the moment I am owed over $2000 - but I had to pay for my petrol by credit card yesterday as I'm broke until it comes through! Got some yesterday, but it was a cheque so won't be cleared for a week.

[Sniper]

Can I demand for work to reimburse that $50 as it is there fault that I was charged that?



Yes you can. I have been through that and any fee's incurred by your bank due to a mistake in the company should be paid by them

[placidfemme]

Well I called up the bank spot on 9am and spoke to my personal banker, he confirmed by dishonour (honor??) fee and stuff. I informed him of the problem and he said to get work to write a letter to the bank (which I will fax to them) stating the exact amount I am going to be paid and when they (the company) expect those funds to show in my account. Then the bank will reverse the dishonour fee and grant me an overdraft for the exact amount I'll be getting paid and once I get paid they will deduct it right away leaving me in a credit balance again...

I also spoke to our finance department and our accountant is playing "asshole" today (but I'm not surprised seeing as over 50 employees are calling in non-stop bitching about not being paid and similar complaints like mine). Our accountant said she would write me the letter "when she gets around to it". So I politley informed her to take her time because if she doesn't write the letter the company will be paying for my overdraft fee. The choice is theirs...

I should have the letter (or a resolution) by lunchtime at the latest...

*is still angry*

[Sniper]

I would be too, good luck PF

[DemonWolf]

bloody hell, thats stick. Company Accountants are always like that.. I'd be highly pissed at them..

[CPB]

Sounds like this is being sorted...still doesn't help you at the pump!! I had this happen a while back, and my employer politely told me that my automatic payments etc should be set up for a few days after pay day to allow for any 'unforseen circumsatnce' the company pay clerk may experience, namely too much piss drinking, and pulling sickies at the end of the week - assholes.

[Pixie]

... but they are as tight as whatever is the tightest thing when it comes to money... .
That would be the deep sea spindly killer fish's sphincter

[placidfemme]

That would be the deep sea spindly killer fish's sphincter

Yeah thats what they are then!

:mad: :mad: But now I'm even madder than before...

Still havn't got the letter... and by the looks of things I won't be getting it (because then the company would have to admit fault).

They are blaming the internet provider, because apparantly we have a direct link to the bank the company uses that isn't normal internet... it's like a direct link (I have never heard of this before... so I don't know if it's bullshit or not) ... and somewhere between our company and the bank there was a problem and the payments were not sent out...

I asked if I would be re-imbursed for my dishonour fee and was told "no" with absolutley no hesitation... :mad:

they said I (yes me personally... not the company) would need to sort that out with the internet supplier and/or bank that the company deals with... which means they are absolutley not taking responsibility for the error and like I said being tight assed bastards won't correct the error or help us (the staff) out.

:mad:

*wants to go home*

[Sniper]

I would threaten them with something

[Paul in NZ]

Ask for the name of the person and contact details at the internet providers place of work. Have a quick tally up around the office at how much this could be.... Tell the internet provider what you were told by your company and see what happens.

Suggest to your bank that you are seriously unhappy about this and considering moving your account.. see what happens...

I feel for you. This is not fair but it has happened here a couple of times. Quickly learnt to move any AP's to the day after payday but my company usually makes good any loss people suffered! (they are good like that)..

Sorry - people really don't care much these days... They should have taken responsibility for it but it will probably ping their bonus so they would rather screw you over.... Probably think it's funny...

[placidfemme]

Yeah well I'm not the only one who's been pinged with overdraft fee's. I've only spoken to the people in my department and there are about 6 people who are now in overdraft and bitching about the fee's.

My direct boss said he would sort it out... but I doubt it...

*is still waiting to see what happens...*

[Bartman10]

Have you been paid already? If not, is it possible that your company has gone belly up, and they're not paying anyone? You'd better find out fast!

[placidfemme]

Still havn't been paid yet... I don't think we're going belly up... We've just opened new offices in Wellington, ChCh, Melbourne and Sydney... Plus we've been making great sales this year... infact this is the best year we've had since I started working here... and we hired 10 new staff on Monday... surely they wouldn't do that if they knew they were screwed?

[Sniper]

I would ring the head of the company or someone high up and tell them very seriously that this is their fault and they should fix it.
I did it once and it worked (I suppose I was the manager of that branch at the time so??)
Good luck PF

[WildBoarMouse]

http://www.ers.dol.govt.nz/pay/deductions.html


When & how wages should be paid
Employees should be paid on the day, and at the intervals, agreed with the employer. Employers cannot change the normal pay day without the agreement of the employee.

This link might not work... but there's a phone number down the bottom and they might be able to offer some advice. <link (http://dolworkplace.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/dolworkplace.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=98&p_created=1111379863&p_sid=Vv47NMMh&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX 3Jvd19jbnQ9MjgmcF9wcm9kcz0yNCwxMSZwX2NhdHM9JnBfcHY 9Mi4xMSZwX2N2PSZwX3BhZ2U9MQ**&p_li=&p_topview=1)>

Good luck!

[placidfemme]

http://www.ers.dol.govt.nz/pay/deductions.html



This link might not work... but there's a phone number down the bottom and they might be able to offer some advice. <link (http://dolworkplace.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/dolworkplace.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=98&p_created=1111379863&p_sid=Vv47NMMh&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX 3Jvd19jbnQ9MjgmcF9wcm9kcz0yNCwxMSZwX2NhdHM9JnBfcHY 9Mi4xMSZwX2N2PSZwX3BhZ2U9MQ**&p_li=&p_topview=1)>

Good luck!

Sweet thanks :)

Sniper: Unfortunatley I did ask the highest person at our Auckland Office... he was the one who said no.

Our Director's are both in Australia over seeing the set up of our offices over there...

[mstriumph]

that sucks! ...but at least lets try to salvage the $50 out of this --- [the bank sounded the least hostile]

sooooooo mebbe:-

Contact the person you spoke to at the bank

tell them the company deposited the money on time and is blaming
the internet provider so you are unlikely to get a letter from them

if you've been operating an account with this bank for some time
and have been a good customer hitherto, point this out to them

tell them you are fixing the problem and ask if, in this one instance,
they would reverse the fee if you put the circumstances in a letter to them yourself.

..... nothing ventured, nothing gained. Good luck!

ps then move your automatic debits to a later day as already advised on here
--- no matter how reliable an employer usually is, stuff-ups happen :no:

[mikey]

i know you dont do much work cause your on kb all day but do the lion red add an send a email to everyone saying no work til we get paid etc.

or go steal the bosses car an tell him he can have it back when you get paid.

[Wolf]

That really sucks, placidfemme. Had a similar couple of experiences when our company's bank screwed up mightily and pay was delayed. As we get paid fortnightly, we're generally prety much on the bones of our arses on payday - food running out, etc - and there are all the APs due to come out.

Not only did the company's bank not do anything to redress the fees we incurred, they promised faithfully that they'd have the money in our accounts by the end of the day and did so only for staff who were customers of their bank, everyone else had to wait for the next day. It was entirely the banks fault so all our payroll staff could do was sympathise with us (in the same boat as us)

All the best getting it sorted out and I hope you get your money reimbursed.

[Slingshot]

Yeah thats what they are then!

:mad: :mad: But now I'm even madder than before...

Still havn't got the letter... and by the looks of things I won't be getting it (because then the company would have to admit fault).

They are blaming the internet provider, because apparantly we have a direct link to the bank the company uses that isn't normal internet... it's like a direct link (I have never heard of this before... so I don't know if it's bullshit or not) ... and somewhere between our company and the bank there was a problem and the payments were not sent out...

I asked if I would be re-imbursed for my dishonour fee and was told "no" with absolutley no hesitation... :mad:

they said I (yes me personally... not the company) would need to sort that out with the internet supplier and/or bank that the company deals with... which means they are absolutley not taking responsibility for the error and like I said being tight assed bastards won't correct the error or help us (the staff) out.

:mad:

*wants to go home*

There is a system that links a company directly into the Bank, normally only larger companies have it.
Do you know who you're company does their banking with and who do you bank with. (PM me if you're comfortable letting me know and I might be able to help out)

[placidfemme]

i know you dont do much work cause your on kb all day but do the lion red add an send a email to everyone saying no work til we get paid etc.

or go steal the bosses car an tell him he can have it back when you get paid.

lol yeah but I'm a chick I can do two things at once... :)

Ok well the problem seems to be sorted. Still havn't been paid yet, but I spoke to my personal banker again, and he said they will reverse the fee as "good will". Which has made my day a lot better.

The company held a staff meeting and told everyone that they are sorry for whats happened and that until the directors return they cannot agree to re-imburse the overdraft fee's and so they can't make any garantees until given the go ahead by the bosses...

They said our pay should show today and if not tomorrow... but we'll see.

They brought us all pizza as a "sorry" gesture... and I've never seen 15 pizza's disapear that fast... lol everyone must have been eating thier wages worth or at least trying...

thanks everyone for the advice and support :)

*has organised to have all my AP's go out on Fri nights at midnight instead of Thurs nights...*

[placidfemme]

There is a system that links a company directly into the Bank, normally only larger companies have it.
Do you know who you're company does their banking with and who do you bank with. (PM me if you're comfortable letting me know and I might be able to help out)

I "think" the company banks with ASB (or ANZ... one of the ones that start with "A"), and I bank with BNZ.

But the problem is mostly sorted now :)

Thanks :)

[Slingshot]

I "think" the company banks with ASB (or ANZ... one of the ones that start with "A"), and I bank with BNZ.

But the problem is mostly sorted now :)

Thanks :)

OK, sweet.

[Wolf]

and I've never seen 15 pizza's disapear that fast... lol everyone must have been eating thier wages worth or at least trying...

Or they've got no food left at home so the pizza is an early dinner to tide them over 'til they finally get paid - that'd be me. I'd've phoned Juliet and got her to bring the kids in - "Bog in, this is all we've got to eat today."

[placidfemme]

Or they've got no food left at home so the pizza is an early dinner to tide them over 'til they finally get paid - that'd be me. I'd've phoned Juliet and got her to bring the kids in - "Bog in, this is all we've got to eat today."

lol some of our telemarketers have taken their "stash" worth lol but then they always do that

[Artifice]

Glad to hear your sorting it out ok.
dont you hate it when the bank charges its monthly fees. puts you 10c in debt and then charges $20 fee for the debt?

late wages tends to happen with our company everytime there is a 3day weekend. or when the girl up in auckland that does the payroll goes on holiday. hey i actually got overpaid 200 the other week. ive told the boss if he wants it back it'll be minus tax. ive made sure theres always enough in the bank to cover bills if pay is a day late now and ahve an overdraught facility just in case. its saved me a few dishonor fees in the past.

[Beemer]

It probably wouldn't hurt to arrange a small overdraft at the bank to ensure you are covered in the event of something like this happening again. Even $50 or $100 is a help when you're broke! From memory you only pay overdraft fees if you use the overdraft (ours is always used!) so it is one thing to think about.

Nice of your bank to reverse the fee, many wouldn't.

[Wolf]

Glad to hear your sorting it out ok.
dont you hate it when the bank charges its monthly fees. puts you 10c in debt and then charges $20 fee for the debt?

Dishonouring a $10 AP that would put me $5 in overdraft then charging a $25 dishonour fee that puts me $20 overdrawn is what gets to me - the logic behind it is readily apparent: they can charge a lot more punitive interest on that $20 than they can on $5.

At least Dick Turpin and Plunkett and Macleane had the decency to wear masks and point guns at you...

[jaybee180]

You think that was bad............

Last December I took three months leave without pay from work. Happily collected all my holiday pay (which I had been accumulating for well over a year) and went my merry way. Got a letter this week to say that they had only just realised that they had overpaid me in my holiday pay by nearly two thousand dollars and I now had to pay it back!!! I have the option of how I pay it back but don't want this bloody thing hanging over my head for the next year or so while I dribble it to them as it's going to be a debt when I apply for my next mortgage soon. So ......... guess I'm gunna have to fork it out.

Now I know I must have got it when it obviously wasn't mine (not that I took any notice at the time) but ................. finding out about it 8 months later!!! Ye Gods - what's with these people!

[Aitch]

[QUOTE=placidfemme]lol yeah but I'm a chick I can do two things at once... :)


The company held a staff meeting and told everyone that they are sorry for whats happened and that until the directors return they cannot agree to re-imburse the overdraft fee's and so they can't make any garantees until given the go ahead by the bosses...

Clearly the telephone doesn't connect from NZ to australia........

[El Dopa]

That would be the deep sea spindly killer fish's sphincter

Nah, the official unit of tightness is the gnats chuff.

As in 'that blokes tighter than a gnats chuff'.

[KATWYN]

my employer politely told me that my automatic payments etc should be set up for a few days after pay day to allow for any 'unforseen circumsatnce' the company pay clerk may experience


Thats a good piece of advice.

Relying on other people (ie) in this case a company pay clerk - to never stuff up, just doesnt work - people will always let ya down. Take control of your affairs -

[Beemer]

You think that was bad............

Last December I took three months leave without pay from work. Happily collected all my holiday pay (which I had been accumulating for well over a year) and went my merry way. Got a letter this week to say that they had only just realised that they had overpaid me in my holiday pay by nearly two thousand dollars and I now had to pay it back!!! I have the option of how I pay it back but don't want this bloody thing hanging over my head for the next year or so while I dribble it to them as it's going to be a debt when I apply for my next mortgage soon. So ......... guess I'm gunna have to fork it out.

Now I know I must have got it when it obviously wasn't mine (not that I took any notice at the time) but ................. finding out about it 8 months later!!! Ye Gods - what's with these people!

I think I would be saying "sorry, but something like this should have come to your attention within a few weeks. As you have not advised me of this overpayment for eight months, I do not believe I have a responsibility to pay this back." :violin: Let them come up with a good reason why you should! If they do prove their case and say you have to come up with the money, you have the right to take at least eight months to do so - because that is the time they took to advise you of the problem. Good luck, I'd try doing a runner!

[KATWYN]

So ......... guess I'm gunna have to fork it out.




Actually (i'm pretty sure about this) I think you aren't legally obligated at all to pay it back when an overpayment occurs. But if you still work for the
company life would be hell if you exercise "those" rights!

As an employer I remember asking the labour dept about it - and the answer (the above answer) really got me hot under the collar! - about the cheek of it - and that you have to hope the employee is really nice and gives it back!!

[WINJA]

MY BOSS HAD TO PAY ALL DISHONOUR FEES TWICE IN ONE YEAR CAUSE OF PAYROLL FUCKUPS , HE JUST SAID BRING IN PROOF AND THEYLL GIVE US A CHEQUE, PROMPT PAYMENT IS THE EMPLOYERS RESPONSIBILTY UNLESS THEY PAY YOU EARLY USUALLY THEN PAY YOU LATE ANOTHER BUT YOU WERE RELYING ON THE USUAL PAY DATE , IE MY BOSS PAYS ME 2 DAYS EARLY BUT THE DUE DATE IS THURSDAY SO HE WOULDNT HONOUR LATE PAYMENTS FOR A WED

[myvice]

Had a boss that did this every other week!
One Friday morning he rings just befor lunch, only 10 mins after putting the phone back on the hook:
Boss, "Where are you?"
Me, "At home, why?"
Boss, "You didn’t ring in, Why arnt you here?"
Me, "Well, remember last week when I got shitty with you for forgetting to pay me..."
Boss, "Err..."
Me, "And the week befor that?"
Boss, "Umm..."
Me, "Where the fuck is my money this time! When its in my account I'll come to work!"

Same boss told me my replacement was only a phone call away! Handed him the phone and walked out.
Took him 3 days to ring and apologize, 2.5 days too late!
Took my replacement 3 weeks to arrive and I got him a better job 1 week later!
I love revenge!

The moral to this is if you treat your staff badly they will leave, if you don’t they will stay and work harder for you!
Been on both sides now, and I haven’t had anyone leave while working for me!
Glad I'm not in charge any more tho.

Love my job now!

[placidfemme]

Well my money arrived in my account this morning... at least I'm not broke anymore...

Still have the issue of honor fees (is actually $20 per AP that goes out), so I have $60 worth of honor fees.

The boss said he would sort that out for me today, so thats all good.

thanks for all the advice :)

[James Deuce]

Really pleased it has worked out for you.

[mikey]

having to go the weekend with out hard earned ( or maybe not so hard earned in your case) booze money must be worth something, thats as well as the fees an stuff.

[placidfemme]

having to go the weekend with out hard earned ( or maybe not so hard earned in your case) booze money must be worth something, thats as well as the fees an stuff.

lol I don't drink.... much... lol but that money would have paid for Sam's Rego faster, and paid for gas for the ride on Friday night that we missed out on :(

*does work hard*
just not at work lol... all the time...

[250learna]

You think that was bad............

Last December I took three months leave without pay from work. Happily collected all my holiday pay (which I had been accumulating for well over a year) and went my merry way. Got a letter this week to say that they had only just realised that they had overpaid me in my holiday pay by nearly two thousand dollars and I now had to pay it back!!! I have the option of how I pay it back but don't want this bloody thing hanging over my head for the next year or so while I dribble it to them as it's going to be a debt when I apply for my next mortgage soon. So ......... guess I'm gunna have to fork it out.

Now I know I must have got it when it obviously wasn't mine (not that I took any notice at the time) but ................. finding out about it 8 months later!!! Ye Gods - what's with these people!

should keep track of your account, companies make mistake, you cant always rely on others to do all the thinking for you
I had similar problems in the past and delt with them as soon as I found out, if you spend and forget, someone will remeber,
with a bit of caution and honesty you wouldnt have it hanging over your head now

[Skyryder]

Theres a one stop shop for all this the Labour Department. It's all in the Wages and Salery Act. They will tell you what your rights are. The other point of call mabe the Banking Ombudsman. This office has some clout if it is indeed within their jurisdiction. No need to go to internet providers etc. They will all pass the buck.

Skyryder