USA gun control

[YellowDog]

- An interesting debate .....

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[Akzle]

heard it on radiolive three days ago. kindof LOL. guy owns 50 guns.

sounds like a muppet "blahblahblah dot com" every second sentence.
lots of irrelephant stuff.

YAY GUN CONTROL
( i control my guns with my left index finger)

[slofox]

heard it on radiolive three days ago. kindof LOL. guy owns 50 guns.

sounds like a muppet "blahblahblah dot com" every second sentence.
lots of irrelephant stuff.

YAY GUN CONTROL
( i control my guns with my left index finger)

I use my right.

[Woodman]

Alex is a cock......

[scumdog]

Alex is a cock......

I guess the media pick the most 'spectacular' persons to 'inteview'...

[SMOKEU]

I use my right.

+1 to that.

[Zedder]

Having a raving conspiracy theorist like Jones in studio isn't really a fair contest.

[YellowDog]

Well I put this in Jokes and Humour because of the fact that the Alex Jones character is an extremist and whilst he does make some valid points, worthy of discussion, he was unable to discuss or consider any of the facts; making him a complete joke.

Texas is a Cowboys and Indians culture state and not at all representative of the USA's viewpoint. Indeed many of the City folk, making a significant part of their country's population, would agree with Piers Morgan.

I was completely against the UK's introduction of very strict fire arm control laws. This was largely because I had buddies training for Olympic competitions and also because I belonged to a gun club myself. In the main, the gun crimes that the new laws were intended to reduce were almost always committed with illegally obtained and unlicensed weapons. i.e. the new laws did nothing other than inconvenience legitimate users.

However in the USA, all they are suggesting is that self loading automatic weapons should not be generally available to Joe Public. They could otherwise keep killing each other as before and when someone decided to go a shoot a bunch of kids, by murdering a legitimate automatic self loading weapon owner, being the assailant's his mother, and then stealing the licensed weapon to kill innocent children: No more than half a dozen of them would be killed before the gunman could be overpowered.

I'm not sure they're asking a great deal and I would be surprised of more than half of the states didn't back the amendment.

BTW: I am not a Piers Morgan fan.

[scumdog]

or consider any of the facts; making him a complete joke.

Texas is a Cowboys and Indians culture state and not at all representative of the USA's viewpoint. Indeed many of the City folk, making a significant part of their country's population, would agree with Piers Morgan.

I was completely against the UK's introduction of very strict fire arm control laws. This was largely because I had buddies training for Olympic competitions and also because I belonged to a gun club myself. In the main, the gun crimes that the new laws were intended to reduce were almost always committed with illegally obtained and unlicensed weapons. i.e. the new laws did nothing other than inconvenience legitimate users.

However in the USA, all they are suggesting is that self loading automatic weapons should not be generally available to Joe Public. They could otherwise keep killing each other as before and when someone decided to go a shoot a bunch of kids, by murdering a legitimate automatic self loading weapon owner, being the assailant's his mother, and then stealing the licensed weapon to kill innocent children: No more than half a dozen of them would be killed before the gunman could be overpowered.

I'm not sure they're asking a great deal and I would be surprised of more than half of the states didn't back the amendment.

BTW: I am not a Piers Morgan fan.

NZ has 'self loading automatic weapons' as you put it - but we don't have the same level of gun crime.

IF America had mandatory vetting of all those applying to buy a firearm (As it is, you can buy a gun at a gun-show and the biggest check is to see you're credit-card is valid!) and IF mandatory firearm security (as in storage) was brought in it would cut down the unwanted death by a large amount.

BTW: One of our massacres was conducted by a nutter using a single-shot shotgun...I think seven were killed.

[YellowDog]

NZ has 'self loading automatic weapons' as you put it - but we don't have the same level of gun crime.

IF America had mandatory vetting of all those applying to buy a firearm (As it is, you can buy a gun at a gun-show and the biggest check is to see you're credit-card is valid!) and IF mandatory firearm security (as in storage) was brought in it would cut down the unwanted death by a large amount.

BTW: One of our massacres was conducted by a nutter using a single-shot shotgun...I think seven were killed.

Well I didn't know that. I probably won't apply for one.

So in the case of the most recent US school shooting, the psychos mother would have passed or failed a suitability vetting process?

A respectable & well qualified lady with full time job needs a 'multiple shot magazine' rifle to defend herself ?

I'd say 'NO' due to the fact that she is unlikely to be physically able to proficiently handle such a weapon. But what would/should the pass fail criteria be?

[Zedder]

NZ has 'self loading automatic weapons' as you put it - but we don't have the same level of gun crime.

IF America had mandatory vetting of all those applying to buy a firearm (As it is, you can buy a gun at a gun-show and the biggest check is to see you're credit-card is valid!) and IF mandatory firearm security (as in storage) was brought in it would cut down the unwanted death by a large amount.

BTW: One of our massacres was conducted by a nutter using a single-shot shotgun...I think seven were killed.

Our MSSAs are limited to 7 shot as far as I can recall SD. Mandatory vetting should be in though as should security storage. However, I've heard about gun owners being "held up".

I read over half off the USA mass killings were carried out by persons with mental health issues and noted Morgan made a point of stating his wish for more mental health funding.

None of these measures will stop killings altogether but it's a start.

[scumdog]

Our MSSAs are limited to 7 shot as far as I can recall SD. Mandatory vetting should be in though as should security storage. However, I've heard about gun owners being "held up".

I read over half off the USA mass killings were carried out by persons with mental health issues and noted Morgan made a point of stating his wish for more mental health funding.

None of these measures will stop killings altogether but it's a start.

No limit on how many shots a MSSA can have - but you need a catagory E licence (at least) to possess one.

A catagory A licence holder can't have more than seven shot mag (or even LOOK like it has more than seven shots) otherwise it's in the MSSA catagory.

There's a whole lot of clap-trap listing what makes a rifle a MSSA.
(Do you know if you have a two-shot semi-auto with a flash supressor it counts as a MSSA - same catagory as a M4 Bushmaster which holds 20 shots, good old all-thinking NZ law-makers:crazy:)

[Nova.]

i only watched that to the end to see how much more of a cock that guy could end up being..

[scumdog]

Well I didn't know that. I probably won't apply for one.

So in the case of the most recent US school shooting, the psychos mother would have passed or failed a suitability vetting process?

A respectable & well qualified lady with full time job needs a 'multiple shot magazine' rifle to defend herself ?

I'd say 'NO' due to the fact that she is unlikely to be physically able to proficiently handle such a weapon. But what would/should the pass fail criteria be?

SHE was OK - her SON was a screamin' barkin' fruit-loop nutso.

And she was stupid enough to ignore that little fact and gave him access to her firearms.

In NZ only the firearms licence holder is 'officially' meant to know where the gun safe keys are kept, sorta makes sense huh?

[Zedder]

No limit on how many shots a MSSA can have - but you need a catagory E licence (at least) to possess one.

A catagory A licence holder can't have more than seven shot mag (or even LOOK like it has more than seven shots) otherwise it's in the MSSA catagory.

There's a whole lot of clap-trap listing what makes a rifle a MSSA.
(Do you know if you have a two-shot semi-auto with a flash supressor it counts as a MSSA - same catagory as a M4 Bushmaster which holds 20 shots, good old all-thinking NZ law-makers:crazy:)

Gotcha re the A and E category differences and bizarre about the flash suppressor business alright.

[YellowDog]

SHE was OK - her SON was a screamin' barkin' fruit-loop nutso.

And she was stupid enough to ignore that little fact and gave him access to her firearms.

In NZ only the firearms licence holder is 'officially' meant to know where the gun safe keys are kept, sorta makes sense huh?

Not much common sense within or outside of the law in such a case. I'd go a little further and ask for some kind of justification for an old dear to own such weapons, prior to issuing such a permit.

[Akzle]

No limit on how many shots a MSSA can have - but you need a catagory E licence (at least) to possess one.

A catagory A licence holder can't have more than seven shot mag (or even LOOK like it has more than seven shots) otherwise it's in the MSSA catagory.

There's a whole lot of clap-trap listing what makes a rifle a MSSA.
(Do you know if you have a two-shot semi-auto with a flash supressor it counts as a MSSA - same catagory as a M4 Bushmaster which holds 20 shots, good old all-thinking NZ law-makers:crazy:)
nono. since the police going beyond their authority and ending up with high-court egg on their face with the "we're going to illegally reclassify MSSAs" maneuver they pulled a few years back, the police-faces whinged to the pollys, and now the pollys have changed "the law"
(:Arms MSSF and Import controls ammendment Act - passed third reading and has royal assent - written with NO input from anyone who actually has a firearms license, as far as i can tell)

GOOD FUCKING DEAL!

[scumdog]

nono. since ONE HIGH RANKING MEMBER OF the police going beyond their authority and ending up with high-court egg on their face with the "we're going to illegally reclassify MSSAs" maneuver they pulled a few years back, the police-faces whinged to the pollys, and now the pollys have changed "the law"
(:Arms MSSF and Import controls ammendment Act - passed third reading and has royal assent - written with NO input from anyone who actually has a firearms license, as far as i can tell)

GOOD FUCKING DEAL!


Fixed!

And I agreee with you!:niceone:

[davereid]

BTW: One of our massacres was conducted by a nutter using a single-shot shotgun...I think seven were killed.

And one in which seven were killed was conducted by a nutter with a lump of wood. And the American record is Pedro Lopez, who strangled over 300 girls, albeit not all on the one day.

[scumdog]

And one in which seven were killed was conducted by a nutter with a lump of wood. And the American record is Pedro Lopez, who strangled over 300 girls, albeit not all on the one day.

Was it a MSSA type lump of wood?