Failed WOF - Non crimped kevlar brake hoses

[Hoon]

I'm just putting my ex-race bike 91' ZXR400 back on the road. Took it in for a WOF this morning and got failed due to my front kevlar brake lines having a screw on hose connector when they are required to be crimped on.

Other than sourcing original parts and replacing, are there any other options available?

[Akzle]

I'm just putting my ex-race bike 91' ZXR400 back on the road. Took it in for a WOF this morning and got failed due to my front kevlar brake lines having a banjo connector when they are required to be crimped on.

Other than sourcing original parts and replacing, are there any other options available?

crimp them on.?

(i thought banjo bolts were perfectly fine... is your WOF guy an a55hole?)

[Madness]

1. Read this thread -> http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/142834-Failed-WOF-raised-tons-of-questions-Add-your-two-cents?highlight=crimped

2. Familiarise yourself with the search function

3. Have a nice day & come again.

[Hoon]

Already done and read that thread smartass. I'm asking for options, not questioning legality.

[Hoon]

crimp them on.?

(i thought banjo bolts were perfectly fine... is your WOF guy an a55hole?)

Sorry my bad. I meant to say it had an illegal screw on fitting at the end of the hose, not banjo connector. Edited original post.

[Madness]

Already done and read that thread smartass. I'm asking for options, not questioning legality.

Perhaps you could have made your O.P a little clearer then, smartarse. Good luck, fucked if I'm going to help you.

[Murray]

My mate just took his wee 250 to a VTNZ and got failed for being to noisy although the mechanic working on it said absolutely not. Also failed due to indicators flashing too slow when the motor wasnt running!!!

Law unto ther own!!

[bogan]

Other than sourcing original parts and replacing, are there any other options available?

Get some aftermarket ones with crimped ends, or it might be possible to get some crimp ends put onto your existing lines? Would depend on what end termination you have, and maybe whether there is a little extra free length. I think there are places in NZ that do custom length ones, not sure who though.

[Hoon]

Yeah it's either replace/fix the offending section (where it connects to the master cylinder) or replace the whole lot.

Looking on trademe this looks to be my cheapest solution (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/brakes/auction-552670492.htm) so far at $40. Guess the kevlar hoses will just have to go into the spare parts box awaiting my return to world F3 domination (cough!).


Perhaps you could have made your O.P a little clearer then, smartarse. Good luck, fucked if I'm going to help you.
Sorry after rereading my original wrongly worded post I can now see how your response was justified and helpful. My apologies.

[bogan]

Depends on the budget, but I wouldn't under-rate kevlar (I assume they are similar in operations to stainless braided lines) lines for road use, might be worth spending a bit more to keep the same braking feel.

[jim.cox]

. Guess the kevlar hoses will just have to go into the spare parts box awaiting my return from the WoF testing station



There, fixed that for you :)

[Skiwi]

I got knocked back at the last WOF for the same thing, paid the $300 and installed the stainless braided lines, made no difference to to the feel of the bike, just my wallet:no:

[imdying]

Post a clear macro photo of the end of the hose and I'll tell you if it's legit or not.

Screw in banjos are not illegal so long as they're screwing into a female that is crimped to the hose. End of story. Anybody that tells you anything different needs to be re-educated.

[Hoon]

Ahh ok. After a closer look mine seems to be crimped under the black heatshrink?

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[imdying]

That appears to be fine. If you remove the banjo, you should not be able to remove that female end.

It's perfectly legitimate to screw in a banjo fitting like that.

Tell the goober to look in the VIRM, section 8-1, item 18, part g, and note 2.


g) has an end fitting that is not attached to the hose by means of swaging, machine crimping or a similar process (Note 2).

So long as that female end cannot be removed (and given it has no double nut to undo, that certainly appears to be the case), it's legitimate. Screwing things on the end (like banjo adaptors) is fine, even the OEM do it at times (have a look at an R32 Skyline for example, the hose stops at the strut, and then a steel pipe goes from there to the caliper, same as a Mk1/2 Ford Escort).

You can view it here:
http://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/in-service-wof/motorcycles/brakes/service-brake-and-parking-brake


What that rule is designed to get rid of is race fittings that use a ferrule/olive to retain the end piece. That is squished on to the hose by tightening two nuts together, and is then unsuitable for reassembly without shortening the hose and replacing the ferrule. Even those are ok after initial assembly, but people unfamiliar with brake hoses have been known to undo that fitting instead of unscrewing the adaptor out of the caliper.

These are examples of unsuitable for road use fittings:

<img src="http://0.tqn.com/d/classicmotorcycles/1/0/m/A/-/-/Hose-with-Olive-in-block-428x406.png" />

<img src="http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f215/specialredtrain/brake05.jpg" />

<img src="http://www.treefortbikes.com/images/raw/TF-333222342944-1.jpg" />

<img src="http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f215/specialredtrain/brake065.jpg" />

Note in the last picture the 'two nuts' that allow disassembly; these do not feature on your hose.

[imdying]

Having said that, I would remove that heat shrink and make sure that acute angle has not damaged the braiding. Then I would reposition the hose to relieve that stress, as that'll fuck it.

[imdying]

One of you moderator sluts should extract that post and sticky it, entitled 'Is my WOF man a moron when he rejected my braided brake lines?'

[Madness]

Ahh ok. After a closer look mine seems to be crimped under the black heatshrink?

Which was the point of me posting the link to that other thread.


One of you moderator sluts should extract that post and sticky it, entitled 'Is my WOF man a moron when he rejected my braided brake lines?'

And cocky pricks like this one wouldn't call people a smartarse for trying to point them in the same direction.

You're fucking welcome.

[imdying]

I've always wondered about cocky pricks... I mean, what else would your prick be but cocky? :confused:

[bogan]

Which was the point of me posting the link to that other thread.

Which was the reason I didn't bother to ask if his current ones actually were compliant. :lol:

[Hoon]

That appears to be fine. If you remove the banjo, you should not be able to remove that female end.

It's perfectly legitimate to screw in a banjo fitting like that.


Awesome. I didn't even notice the crimping until I went to take the photo all this time thinking my hoses were illegit. Thanks for your help.

In defence of the WOF inspectors I do believe the blame is mostly due to the poor wording in the manual. Instead of "undone" it should say something like "Hose end fittings that can be detached from the hose using hand tools are unacceptable."

....but then again a hacksaw is a hand tool so where do you stop?


Which was the point of me posting the link to that other thread.

And cocky pricks like this one wouldn't call people a smartarse for trying to point them in the same direction.

You're fucking welcome.

Listen, I've already admitted my mistake and apologized to you so why don't you just shut the fuck up and get over it instead of carrying on like a whining bitch!

[Madness]

Listen, I've already admitted my mistake and apologized to you so why don't you just shut the fuck up and get over it instead of carrying on like a whining bitch!

Your apology came across as a sarcastic wank to be honest and I didn't take it at all seriously. You really do need to stop being a cunt and realise that most people on here will actually try & help you if you give them half a chance before you start calling them childish names. Retard.

[F5 Dave]

Girls Girls, You're both pretty, Can we move on yet?:lol:

Just asking a further clarification from our actual braking expert (Mr Cocky, or is that Mr Pricky?); I was under the understanding that Ally fittings were illegal. As the rules & peoples understanding of them seems to be in continuous change I could well be wrong/misinformed/absolutely awesome [delete as applicable].

However having a few sets of broken ally fittings about the garage I'd change them and not let them near my race bike or road bike. Dumb material to make a fitting out of if it is going to be fitted to a continuously shaking/bending semi stiff hose.

I've had lines made up by Alert which is near you, or if you wanted Rubber people can make those up too.

[Katman]

Is the hex fitting on the end of the hose a swivel fitting? (As in, rotates easily on the end of the hose without coming off the hose).